Liveblogging the Tigers/Twins
by John Sickels on Oct 6, 2009 5:03 PM EDT
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infield
Ugh. Tolbert at third. He’s a good utility player but the ghosts of Gary Gaetti and Corey Koskie are offended.
baker
Baker looks pretty good so far….a couple of lazy flies and a strikeout. Fastball looks like it has some movement high in the zone.
lineup
If I were managing the Twins, I think I would have gone with an outfield of Span/Gomez/Young, with Kubel as the DH today.
inning
first inning, 0-0.
Remember my prediction yesterday….Twins 6, Tigers 4…..Porcello gets through the first three innings fine then the wheels fall off in the fourth.
second
Hard hit double by Cabrera, bloop hit from Raburn.
Now Inge up. Double play? Maybe…though Baker is a fly ball guy
With another Granderson flyball out, what do you make of him this year?
His FB% has increased dramatically, his GB% decreased dramatically, his BABIP decreased. Because of these changes, his BA and OBP fell dramatically, as did his OPS. His wOBA has decreased each of the past two years (from an amazing .395 in 2007 to .374 in 2008 to .337 in 2009). But he did hit an all time high in home runs… What Curtis Granderson do we see going forward?
inge
Inge nailed it but right at Cabrera.
It looks to me like Baker isn’t really fooling people right now.
baker
baker got out of it with the popup.
As for Granderson….lions1 you seem like you’ve got all the numbers laid out there well. I’d prefer the way he was a couple of years ago personally.
Granderson
I think everyone of us would as well but, using XBABIP to account for the types of hits put into play as well as luck, his BABIP should have been .303 this year instead of .276. Now this is obviously lower than the .362 and .317 he hit in the previous years, but it still brings his “should-be” line to .273/.353/.472 and an OPS of .825. Not bad at all. But I guess my question for you is actually, would the Tigers be better served to have him hit in the third hole or cleanup? Although he doesn’t have the quintessential body type, his numbers suggest he should be a middle of the order bat and his pop seems to be wasted in the leadoff spot.
delmon
Delmon looked bad there against the high fastball….there’s another guy to think about, what happens to Delmon? Does his second half performance presage a 2010 breakout?
I think Delmon Stays and finally produces
like he did the final 2 months of this year for most of 2010
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Not in my opinion
He did this last year. He’s shown himself to be a better second half hitter. His defense and plate discipline are still awful.
I somewhat disagree.
I agree that he is still dreadful at taking a walk, no doubt about it, but for the past 3 months combined (July, August, September), he has brought his K% below 18%. Through the first half, he was around 30%. That seems to be a significant adjustment and maybe some progress.
delmon
I haven’t looked at his defensive numbers lately. As for the bat….I’d feel better about it if his plate discipline were better. I guess I still don’t trust him.
He's -14 UZR this season, -16 last season.
He’s amassed a -36 UZR over the last 3 seasons so I think it’s pretty safe to say his true talent level is somewhere in the -12 to -15 range which is beyond awful for a left fielder.
And he already didn’t come close to the ball that Cabrera hit and to me it seemed pretty catchable for a slightly above-average LFer, or maybe I’m just to used to Carl Crawford out there.
Tools Whore
whiffs
Whiffs….Jose Morales. Looking good so far for Porcello….his second inning was much stronger than Baker’s.
Porcello looks like he has it today
for sure
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions
Procello
Does anyone thing a great performance today could win him the ROY?
"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans
porcello
Well I’d never vote on the basis of a single game myself. But maybe other people think differently.
Of course I’ll never get a BBWAA ballot so my opinion won’t ever matter officially, lol
yea
Im not saaying one game should decided it. Just in a race where no one person has jumped out and made it an easy pick. I wonder if a big game like this could swing voters to go with him
"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans
WOO
1-0 Tigers Magglio with an RBI single
"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans
Ron Darling
Anyone else think he’s probably the best analyst in the biz?
home run
lets go tigers… looks like he aint drunk anymore
homer
Crap. Well there’s 3 runs for the Tigers. My prediction is still possible, lol.
Darling seems OK. He’s only lapsed into “this guy is a winner” cliches a couple of times.
porcello
Porcello fans Kubel to end the threat. 3-1 Tigers.
I think this one is going to have several more nail-biting moments.
Kubel
I know you wrote a prospect retro on him last winter, but what do you think of his year? Can he repeat this kind of season?
yep
Yeah, I think it’s for real. this might be his career peak but I think he can retain the general shape of this season going forward.
brandon webb
seems like a good comparison to me
Emotion talking
But anyone who has a problem with Porcello’s numbers is out of their mind. He’s 20, and held his own. Remember the knock on Verlander used to be he didn’t strike enough guys out, and he just led the league. Porcello can absolutely become an Ace.
He was way lucky on ERA though
He was probably worse than Derek Holland performance/components wise
No
Holland has more K’s that’s about it.
Porcello had a lower BB/9, lower FIP, gave up less homers, and much much better GB rates. Hitters had a .855 OPS against Holland and only a .740 OPS against Porcello.
Besides strikeouts, Porcello was better at basically everything.
And very unlucky with HR per FB
his xFIP was 4.50.
ProspectTube.com
You Video. You Scout.
by ProspectTube.com on Oct 6, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
porcello
Advantages: youth, velocity, ground balls.
Disadvantages: low strikeout rate.
If his arm doesn’t fall off he’s got a great future.
Bob Keppel warming up?
Come on, Twins. There’s no game tomorrow, you know.
4th
OK for my prediction to come true, Porcello has to have the wheels come off here in the 4th inning.
Alright
Porcello looking great threw 4 so far
"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans
Im so sick of hearing about Detroit
needing to be up lifted by a sports team. They go over board with this stuff all the time.
"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans
What
The Spartans run to the NCAA Finals DIDN’T make everyone forget their problems?!?!?
Sorry
I was agreeing with you through sarcasm—never a great idea.
Good outing from Porcello
5 2/3 2 runs, 1 eraned, and 8 K’s
"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans
porcello out
Porcello out for Zach Miner. Hmmmmmm
You could certainly see Porcello’s tremendous talent in this game. He hasn’t put everything together yet, but all-told, considering the jump from A-ball, you have to be very impressed with what he achieved this year.
Looking forward, can he 1) avoid injury 2) domimate more consistently?
I agree I am Impressed with Porcello
although, If it weren’t for the Tigers limititing his innings this year, I ‘m certain he wouldn’t have been this sharp his last 3-4 starts here.
Rick was losing in after the ALL-Star game
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Will Delmon get a hit off of Zach Minor here ?
cause you know he’s gonna come up swingin it…
(Morales on deck, hasn’t looked very good last couple days)
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions
Minor!!!!!!!
!?!?!?!?!
"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans
I honestly thought
Matty T was going to get a hit there though
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Crede, Morneau, Slowey, Perkins, Bonser, Neshek
thats 3/5 of our starting rotation out too…. (Liriano or Bonser)
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
Itz amazing
watching the tigers let Baker off the hook after running his PC up early.
"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans
Laird
as bad as he is offensively, in this situation do you think the bunt is a bad play?
Come on Polanco
A run here would be really big. No one Id rather have up then Polanco
"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans
utility
Someone needs to write “A History of Minnesota Twins Utility Infielders” from Ron Washington through Al Newman to Jeff Reboulet to Nick Punto" These guys always seem to play a lot.
Sorry about that...
Need to learn to back off the four lettter words.
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
So stupid
Why on earther would you keep Miner in when he has been awful from the start.
"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans
I'd rather see the Twins
Flip Glen Perkins, Alexi Casilla and maaaybe even Carlos Gomez
to get a JJ Hardy or somebody like that, than re-sign O-Cab.
Alex Burnett would be a nice minor leaguer trade chip….
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Laird put down 3 fingers
Is that why relievers usually only use their best two pitches?
LOOGY
If the LOOGY strategy was banned, it would cripple the US economy since advertising revenue during baseball broadcasts would decline 97%
Tiger 8th
Maggs, Cabrera and Guillen due up. If they don’t score here, they ain’t gonna.
Guerrier's wheels always fall off at the end of the season
The Twins Time in and TIme again over-use Matt Gueriier
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
Matt Was virtually un-hittable
back in June and or July
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Try being a Tigers fan
I’ve got gray hairs. And I’m 19…
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
Crap!!! Nathan will end up throwing about 30 -40 pitches now....
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions
Alright, enough
1st, what is wrong with having Lyon get 5 outs instead of 4 if you are Leyland?
Now, if Gardy feels good enough that Nathan can get 5 outs, why not have him get 6?
LaRussa and Eckersley ruined bullpen usage forever.
Supposedly
Because Avila can’t throw out runners…
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Nathan
NATHAN!!
OK, now a couple of runs…..PLEASE.
Jeri has been dealing with the kids for 3 hours. I need to relieve her soon.
Only if she relieves you!
We haven’t heard from her much lately, time to bring the Cheesecake back! (He said with all due respect)
This game
This is one of the most exciting games I’ve seen in a long time.
the Polanco AB and this AB
prove we need either 1. better umpires or 2. technology calling the strikes for us
baseball rules.
Mauer Won't be the Hero
If Cabrera doesn’t win it, you HAVE to walk Joe.
Rodney
Rodney….vs. Cabrera.
Assuming Cabrera gets out, does Mauer then hit the 2-run homer to make it 6-4?
Damn this is a hellofagame. I love baseball again.
1st is open
no way Mauer gets to swing the bat.
duh
Hmm…good point. You walk Joe and then it’s Kubel. Who is swinging a hot bat lately.
Anyone know what Kubel’s stats against Rodney are?
well we will be going to the 10th
no way in hell does gomez get a hit.
Stick to your guns!
You were Gomez’ biggest fan a few years back! Hang with ’em!
Gomez blows and I was way wrong with him
Endy Chavez Jr.
Should have never taken Kubel out for Defense
Gardy will regret that for a while.
Rodney
He really is Todd “roller-coaster” Jones protege…
Leyland
I wonder how many packs of Marboloros Leyland has smoked tonight.
Delmon Young is garbage
That’s why you look at guys with great BB/K ratios in the minors.
Unbeleivable
The Twins are gonna win this
man
rayburn is still the goat. you just can’t dive there unless the CF is behind you.
it was close
but i also thought santiago was out on his bunt single
after two more views
i think he was out. but i also think the umpire is basically flipping a coin there. without slo-mo, how can you even tell?
well
grandy still can’t hit lefties, so it worked
yeah i forgot about his extreme platoon split
mahay sucked big time for us (royals) this year so i thought it was funny.
baseball rules.
tomorrow
Whoever wins this…..are they going to be pumped up for tomorrow against the Yankees, or burned out?
ok
I have some family obligations to attend to. Perhaps if I leave the computer that will break the deadlock on the field.
from JERI--John has blogging blood leaking from every pore!
he will tell me if there is anything to blog…are you guys happy with the game so far? JERI
John's Wife and Email Secretary
why is laird swinging
and how did that not hit inge… tigers are up one right now
On the plus side
Going into the playoffs with a short bullpen is probably a good thing. Right? Right?
No, huh?
John scared the crap out of me with his scream of joy
I’m guessing the good guys won…thanks for blogging tonight.
John's Wife and Email Secretary
different form, but
5-4 Twins is pretty darned close to 6-4 Twins.
by DevilsAdvocate on Oct 6, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Where is Randy Bush when you need him?
John wishes the Twins had guys on the bench who could hit.
John's Wife and Email Secretary
Tigers got screwed
Inge got hit, the walk woulda driven in a run..and who knows what would have happened.
I think its time to do away with the baggy jersey's
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 8, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees disadvantages
1) Unproven post season pitching outside of Andy. Sabathis 7.92 postseason ERA, Burnett never has pitched a postseason game, he could Javy Vazquez this one. Joba, Hughes unproven in big spots. Andy has a bad shoulder, and Guadin is hit or miss.
2) The turf helps the twins and ton and will hurt the yankees.
3) The A-Rod factor, they haven’t won since he’s been there
4) The managers, Gardy has been in the postseason, Girardi hasn’t yet as a manager.
5) Intangibles, the twins have the edge here
heh
So let’s break this down.
- Totally conjecture with the exception of Sabathia, who probably just needs more starts to have his career playoff numbers regress back towards his (considerably high) typical level of performance.
- Says nothing about the playing ability of either team.
- Says nothing about the playing ability of either team other than A-Rod, who has an .852 career OPS in the playoffs.
- Says nothing about the playing ability of either team.
- Says nothing about the playing ability of either team.
GAME OF THE CENTURY
U-N-B-EL-I-A-V-L-B-E
wow
wow
wow
booze
wowzers
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 6, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
booze
Miguel Cabrera caught wind of that….
by ChalupaCabrera on Oct 6, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
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