SHS 'spect list continued....101-201
-Top 100 (Part #1) can be found here
-Allow the skepticism to keep coming guys .... obviously, 100-200 is a lot more difficult that the top 100.
101. Aroldis Chapman SP , (FA)
102. Erik Hosmer 1B , Kansas City Royals
103. Michael Pineda SP , Seattle Mariners
104. Jarrod Parker SP , Arizona D' Backs
105. Tony Sanchez C , Pittsburgh Pirates
106. Alex White SP , Cleveland Indians
107. Mike Minor SP , Atlanta Braves - Caleb Gindl OF , Milwaukee Brewers
108. Brandon Allen 1B , Arizona D' Backs
109. Hak-ju Lee SS , Chicago Cubs
110. Tanner Scheppers SP , Texas Rangers
111. Tim Melville SP , Kansas City Royals
112. Carlos Carrasco SP , Cleveland Indians
113. Jared Mitchell OF , Chicago White Sox
114. Eric Young JR. 2B , Colorado Rockies
115. Arnold Leon SP , Oakland Athletics
116. Nick Barnese SP , Tampa Bay Rays
117. Grant Green SS , Oakland Athletics
118. Phillip Aumont SP/RP , Seattle Mariners
119. Daniel Duffy SP , Kansas City Royals
120. Will Myers C , Kansas City Royals
121. Kirk Nieuwenhuis OF , New York Mets
122. Alex Avila C , Detroit Tigers
123. Drew Storen SP , Washington Nationals
124. Tyson Gillies OF , Seattle Mariners
125. Kyle Gibson SP , Minnesota Twins
126. Michael Brantley OF , Cleveland Indians
127. Ethan Martin SP/RP , LA Dodgers
128. Jiovanni Mier SS , Houston Astros
129. Cody Scarpetta SP , Milwaukee Brewers
130. JeanMar Gomez SP , Cleveland Indians
131. Chad James SP , Florida Marlins
132. Roger Kieschnick OF , San Francisco Giants
133. Logan Forsythe 3B , San Diego Padres
134. Kyle Lobstein SP , Tampa Bay Rays
135. Mike Trout OF , LA Angles
136. Alex Liddi 3B , Seattle Mariners
137. Arodys Vizcaino SP , New York Yankees
138. Henry Sosa SP , San Francisco Giants
139. Jairo Heredia SP , New York Yankees
140. Brandon Erbe SP , Baltimore Orioles
141. David Bromberg SP , Minnesota Twins
142. Bobby Borchering 3B , Arizona D' Backs
143. Travis Wood SP , Cincinnati Reds
144. Dexter Carter SP , San Diego Padres
145. Craig Kimbrel RP , Atlanta Braves
146. A.J. Pollack OF , Notre Dame D' Backs
147. Tim Wheeler OF , Colorado Rockies
148. William Smith SP , LA Angels
149. Danny Valencia 3B , Minnesota Twins
150. Michael Main SP , Texas Rangers
151. Brett Morel 3B , Chicago White Sox
152. David Lough OF , Kansas City Royals
153. Adrian Cardenas 3B , Oakland Athletics
154. Zach Stewart SP , Toronto Blue Jays
155. Willin Rosario C , Colorado Rockies
156. Robbie Ross SP , Texas Rangers
157. Anthony Capra SP , Oakland Athletics
158. Ian Desmond SS , Washington Nationals
159. Rex Brothers SP , Colorado Rockies
160. Yorman Rodriguez OF , Cincinnati Reds
161. Travis D' Arnaud C , Philadelphia Phillies
162. Hank Conger C , LA Angels
163. Brett Jackson OF , Chicago Cubs
164. Ryan Wheeler 1B , Arizona D' Backs
165. T.J. House SP , Cleveland Indians
166. Bradley Meyers SP , Washington Nationals
167. Casey Kiker SP , Texas Rangers
168. Angel Morales OF , Minnesota Twins (seth stoh's #2 Twins prospect)
169. Christian Bethancourt C , Atlanta Braves
170. (.170-.190 , any order)
J.J. Hoover, Zeke Spruill, Christopher Parmelee, Chase D' Arnaud, Tim Alderson, Kellen Kulbackii, Jacob Odorizzi, Stolmy Pimental, Alexander Perez, Lorenzo Cain, Jordan Walden, Josh Lindblom, Dillon Betances, Everett Williams, Aaron Poreda(RP), Scott Elbert(RP), Adam Moore, Daryl Jones, Jaime Garcia , Michael Ynoa, Luis Exposito, Anthony Rizzo, Manny Banuelos
191. Aaron Miller SP , LA Dodgers
192. Chris Johnson 3B , Houston Astros
193. Clayton Mortenson SP , Oakland Athletics
194. Josh Thole C , New York Mets
195. Sean Doolittle 1B , Oakland Athletics
196. Beau Mills 1B, Cleveland Indians
197. Tyler Robertson SP , Minnesota Twins
198. Brandon Crawford SS , San Francisco Giants
199. Rudy Owens SP , Pittsburgh Pirates
200. Ross Seaton SP , Houston Astros
201. Max Stassi C , Oakland Athletics
H.M.: Zachary Collier OF , Philadelphia Phillies - Joe Savery SP , Philadelphia Phillies - J.P. Arencibia C , Blue Jays - Billy Bullock RP , Minnesota Twins - Dennis Raben OF , Seattle Mariners - Hector Gomez SS , Colorado Rockies - Nick Noonan 2B , San Fran Giants - Casey Weathers RP , Colorado Rockeis - Angel Salome C , Milwaukee Brewers - Ryan Chaffee SP , LA Angels - John Raynor OF , Florida Marlins - Kyle Skipworth C , Florida Marlins - Neftali Soto 3B , Cincinatti Reds - Drew Naylor SP , Philadelphia Phillies - The Gillispie brothers - Chris Carpenter SP , Chicago Cubs - Brand Hand SP , Florida Marlins - Lars Anderson 1B, Boston Red Sox
Any more obvious Honorable Mentions I'm forgetting ? -Matt Hobgood ? -the other Delgado on the Braves? Dayan Viciedo ? Yaimico Navvaro ?
Players by team in second group of 100
^49 in NL
Atlanta Braves (5 ) -- New York Mets (2 ) -- Florida Marlins (1 ) -- Washington Natinals (3 ) -- Philadelphia Phillies (1)
St. Louis Cards. (2) -- Chicago Cubs (2) -- Pittsburgh Pirates (4) -- Cincinnati Reds (2)-- Milwaukee Brewers (3) -- Houston Astros (3 )
LA Dodgers (4 ) -- Colorado Rockies (4 ) -- San Diego Padres (5 ) -- San Francisco Giants (3 ) -- Arizona D'Backs (5)
^52 in AL
New York Yankees (4) -- Boston Red Sox (3) -- Tampa Bay Rays (2) -- Baltimore Orioles (1) -- Toronto Blue Jays (1)
Minnesota Twins (6) - Detroit Tigers (1) -- Chicago White Sox (2) -- Kansas City Royals (5) -- Cleveland Indians (7)
L.A. Angels (4) -- Texas Rangers (4) -- Seattle Mariners (5) -- Oakland Athletics(8)
*Removed from Original (Pre-Edit Post) = Adrian Salcedo (Min.), Daniel Cortes (Sea.)
*JUST ADDED = T.J. House (Cle.), Aaron Miller (LAD.)
*for me Jon Niese, Michael Bowden, Mark Rzyepsenski don't qualify due to innings pitched in the majors....(Bowden only pitching 17 innings , but made like 9 appearances, also otherwise all 3 of these guys would be in top 100)
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thanks
I’ll definately put him up there – he looks really good
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 31, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
is
chris carpenter somewhere? I dont’ see him.
i do respect this list
but once you get by 100…it’s just so hard. you could really just clump them in any order now and it’d look respectable.
baseball rules.
Agreed, very good list nonetheless
How about TJ House? He had a 3.15 ERA (3.51 FIP) at A+ ball as a 19 year old.
Ok TJ House is one that should be on here
Aaron Miller probably as well…
Chris Carpenter is more of a fringe top 200….
but I will do at least one more edit probably a couple more….
Yaimaico Navvarro SS on the Bo Sox may be another….
Yorman Rodriguez OF (Rerds) should be up there as well….
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 31, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions
I'll make my case for Carpenter as top 150
Plus breaking ball to go with good fastball that can get into the mid-90’s with movement. Much improved change. The stuff has never been questioned with Carpenter. It’s been a health issue … and he stayed healthy this year. He’s coming off an all around excellent year.
Put it this way – the reason Cashner gets ranked so high is on stuff. Carpenter’s fastball/breaking ball combination isn’t that far behind Cashner’s in all honesty, and he’s far more consistent with all his pitches right now while having, imo, a better change than Cashner’s.
I'm a big fan of
Rudy Owens (pretty big fan), Bradley Meyers (big fan), David Bromberg (pretty big fan), Tyler Robertson (fan), to name some of the pitchers (not intentionally picking out two Twins because of you SHS, just some guys starting from the bottom of the list moving up). That said, Carpenter’s got a higher ceiling than all of them, IMO (his stuff is superior) and while some of them have higher floors than him, it’s not by much. The way I like to look at floor is, what’s a bad case scenario (worst case is obviously busting). In Carpenter’s case, with the mid-90’s fastball and plus breaker, he has the potential to be a late inning pen arm, whereas some of them are middle relievers if moved to the pen.
Before anyone calls homer on me, I don’t think anyone else in the Cubs system deserves a top 200 nod outside of our top 7 guys (two Jacksons, Castro, Cashner, Lee, Carpenter, Vitters). You could probably plop Kyler Burke as a 201-250 guy based on his monster potential and monster season, but I wouldn’t go make the case for him. But the three arms are all upper level arms with good stuff.
I agree on Christopher Carpenter
I’m only basing this on the one game I saw, but Christopher Carpenter ranked alongside Mejia for me as the two best pitching prospects I saw this year. I liked him better than Holt. And easily ahead of Bromberg or Robertson. The fastball was good, and located well, but he also had probably the best breaking ball I saw this year.
Stassi
I know once you get past a top 100 who knows really whats the best ranking, but what separates meyer and stassi by 80 spots? Plus 15 or so other 1st rd picks being ranked before stassi in this list. i’m aware stassi barely played after getting drafted so thats an issue. But longterm it seems he’ll have a chance to stay defensively at C. He was a legit 1st rd talent, maybe mid 1st rd according to some mock drafts.
I originally had Stassi in that hunk of a group (170-190)
but I shuffled it a couple of times and before I knew Stassi was 191 and falling….
I don’t like Stassi’s frame and build – kind of small, but, I think he has no where to go on a list like this but up
so if you’re an A’s fan you have to like hearing that…. Hopefully (I’m hopeful) Stassi has a monster campaign next year
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 1, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
One question.
Where’s Niese? If he’s not in the Top 100, he’s GOT to be in the next 100.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
that one I'll agree with
I can see Niese in top 100 lists, but if not, he should be in the top 150. Readiness counts, and mid-rotation ability seems to either get overhyped or underhyped. In Niese’s case, I think he gets a bit underhyped.
okay
just read SHS’ comment at the end. That’s fair.
Except Niese still has rookie eligibility, so I don’t see it as fair.
If you’re going to eliminate everyone who had a cup of coffee in the majors, then a heavy portion of your list would be ineligible.
by adropofvenom on Nov 3, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe Bowden had a cup of coffee
But Niese pitched plenty, tallying 26 innings with 5 starts…..
to me that is a month’s worth of play…
my list is based on whether or not you’re a Sept. call-up if you were and thats it you’re still eligable if you got called up in early August or even earlier than you’re not eligable….
Niese was up adn down with the Mets all year it seemed.
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 3, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
and thats you're opinion and that is fine
I just wanted to get some new names out there with these lists and see some shuffling going down
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 3, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Some guys that came to mind....
that may be around that 150-250 range so arguable whether they should make the list…
Caleb Gindl (.822 OPS at Brevard at 20 is very nice)
Ryan Strieby
Trevor May (arguably #4 Phils prospect with D’Arnaud)
Alex Colome
Eric Arnett (I think he’ll be a top 100 guy by next year, just underrated in this year’s 1st round pitching class)
Evan Anundsen (solid mid-rotation groundball guy, has a Derek Lowe type ceiling)
half the list are Brewers oddly enough
And for guys that are probably 201-300 but that I still like for some reason or another
Esmil Rogers
Daniel Descalso
Alexia Amarista
Brett Lorin/Scott Barnes
Great list though, the fact I had to parse through as many names to find some possible snubs is a credit to how thorough your top 200 is.
Thank You very kindly
And I agree completely with you
about those 6 names…..
Colome from the Rays?
is someone I now absolutely nothing about…
But yeah I really really Like Evan Anundsen , Strieby, May, Arnett, Scott Barnes , Esmil Rogers, Gindl also good prospects…
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 1, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Alex Colome
20 y/o Rays prospect who was #2 on BA’s NYP top 20 list
From that list:
- RHP Alex Colome
“[He] attacks hitters with a lively 92-94 mph fastball that touches 95-96, even deep into outings. He complements it with a 78-80 mph curveball with sharp, late 11-to-5 break. He’s working on a changeup to use against lefthanders, and it has excellent movement at times, but he has a tendency to throw it too hard and still is developing feel for the pitch.”
Had a 11.13 k/9 rate, 2.94 k/bb, and a 2.19 FIP (.177 BAA on a .277 BABIP) in 76 innings.
Should be ranked behind Barnese and Lobstein as the 6th best Rays pitcher and probably in the 140-170 range overall. FWIW, daveh had him 98th in his top 111 list this week.
by two fishsticks on Nov 1, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Craig Kimbrel
He’s too low IMO. He can be a dominating closer if he keeps the walks down.
I think that Hobgood was an overdraft...
…but being this far outside of your list is fairly silly. I’d also like to see Brandon Waring at least appear somewhere here.
Yeah! Mariner domination in this bitch! 4 in the 101 to 150 range!
We are the kings of the middling prospect!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 1, 2009 6:29 AM EST reply actions
Adrian Cardenas
His defense should get better once the A’s return him to 2B full time, and at just 21 in the upper minors he faired well and still has time to develop some HR power. Why so low?
for whatever reason
he seems to have fallen off the prospect radar from a midseason top 30 in 08 by BA, maybe rated the best 2b prospect in the minors early in the season. He had a tough AAA stint early on, then hit much better the 2nd time around. O know he was injured, even jemile weeks isnt mentioned (who’s doing much better in the AFL lately)
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 1, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Jemile Weeks is in the top 100
and Cardenas in the top 150 (or close too I guess)
As an A’s fan you should be excited – that is 2 fairly could infield prospects…
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 1, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
It isn't about being excited about two fairly good infield prospects,
It’s about ranking them correctly, and Cardenas is pretty low for this type of list.
If you think Billy Beane is a bad GM, I hate you and find you stupid.
Steven Johnson
21 in AA this past year.. when he got traded to Baltimore, he went 38 innings giving up only 24 hits… 1 strikeout an inning…. total in AA at age 21 this season was 49 innings 52 strikeouts only 32 Hits… he also pitched 97 innings in high a ball striking out over 9 per 9 innings…. This guy has to be a top 200 prospect.. right??? 90 to 94 MPH fastball with a slider change and curve… and Great Deception..
From what I've read elsewhere and taking a look through these lists....
It looks like 4 AL teams (the A’s, Rays, Rangers and Indians) have the 4 best systems in baseball (this is still very much open to interpretation depending upon what you’re looking for in an organization) and it appears that the Padres have improved their system significantly with a good chance to be in the top 10. SHS are you going to do organizational rankings after this?
that is something I could look into doing
IF you weigh the top 100 and second group of 100 (101-201) evenly
The A’s actually have the most points at 12
The Indians would have 11
The Atlanta Braves 9
The Tampa Bay Rays have 8 (but 6 of those 8 are top 50 prospects)
My Minnesota Twins have a debatable or rather uncertain 10
The K.C. Royals have 8
The San Francisco Giants have 7
The San Diego Padres have a very strong 10
the Texas Rangers get 8
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 1, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
but that really doesn't work... Top prospects are the currency of baseball
It would be easier to build a value scale in relative tiers than anything else. There is very little to no difference between the guys in the 80 range and the 120 range, but a titanic difference in the guys in the top 5 and those at 40-45.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
yep I agree
the only thing that post was showing was the depth of the 200
The Honorable mention list 200-230+ would certainly change things if inlcuded
and Yeah the Braves and Nationals should get twice the points for Heyward and Starsburg
btw, I really like Michael Stanton too – Matt Holliday is in his game Mark MCGuire too i think
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 1, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Jairo Heredia
I love this guy. My favorite prospect in our system. But look at that ERA after missing half of a season.
The only Yankee I have in the 100-200 range is Wilkin De la Rosa (and maybe Z-Mac if I don’t include him in the top 100).
I have Jairo right around 300.
I a Mets homer
but I’m surprised none of Tejada, Allen, Familia, Havens, Nieuwenhuis are in your top 200. Unless I missed one of em.
"We must win and we must know how to win rather than win because we have statistical people."
well Nieuwenhuis is in there at #121
Largely because I like him more than Most – I feel
however Reese Havens has fallen a long way for me , however could easily be a top 200 guy….
Robinson Tejada and Jesus Familia I feel I need more data to be comfortable ranking them in a list like this
-IF you go purely on upside they’re both probably in…..
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 1, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
oops thanks
well no wonder, lol
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 1, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Jeurys Familia too, I believe
"Chicks dig the long ball, although fat chicks will settle for warning track power" - Nick Diamond
If Cody Scarpetta.....
….makes this list, then Wily Peralta should as well. Most think Peralta has better stuff and a higher ceiling anyhow.
Esmil Rogers should be on this list, in the upper part in my opinion
I don’t think you can ignore how dominant he was in Double A this year, it’s not his fault his arsenal of pitches is exactly what gets you killed in mile high air.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
what does he throw
that gets him killed in mile high air?
straight fastball that reaches 96 at times, solid curve to go along with it
and throughout his minor league career he hasn’t exactly pitched like a groundball guy.
Impossible not to have positive thoughts.
I want Sam Deduno to pitch already.
good point
and you’re probably right
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 2, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Ross and Capra
IMO are 2 of the better college sp duo’s from the 08 draft and could be huge high risers among prospect lists next yr. Add in the breakout season by the underrated ben hornbeck. This trio could show flashes of dominance in the near future and remind everyone of a future Big 3 like mulder/zito/hudson
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Thanks for making my day right there. I always enjoy your pathetically inaccurate posts.
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Uhhhh
the guy was giving an opinion, not trying to state a fact so im not exactly sure how his post was “inaccurate”, or pathetic for that matter. Its becoming more and more common across all of SB Nation for people to rip on others who may not come across as being “up to par” on prospects, or baseball topics in genreal. People need to relax, and realize that whoever wants to post on this site has a right to do so within reason and just because you may feel superior to them doesnt mean you are, or that we wanna hear you act like you are. I’m not directing this soley at you cwhitman, but it just so happens your post was the 4th or 5th I read in a matter of minutes that was an example of what i’m talking about.
I may not be as excited about both Ross and Capra,
but its not as though they both don’t have the potential to become top of the rotation starters. Capra lead the minor leagues in K’s last season (along with his other impressive stats/peripherals), and Ross put together a solid high A/AA campaign in his first full pro season. Both of these guys look like solid picks by the A’s at this point, and its not as though either lack the “stuff” to have success at the higher levels and hopefully in a big league rotation within the next few years.
Nick Hagadone for HM?
He hasn’t been able to pitch much because of the TJ surgery and is still only in A ball, but a lefty who can pump it up to 98 mph is intriguing to say the least.
Aroldis #101?!?!?
Is it just because he’s a FA? He should be high up on the other list, but other than that, I think your list(s) are great and probably the best on here
I'm fine with that.
From what I’ve gathered of Mr. Chapman, he has a great fastball but little else. I’ve heard some say his slider is a major league pitch, but I didn’t see it much in the World Baseball Classic. There’s also the question of his age. Unlike other Latin American prospects, the concern around Chapman seems to have more wings.
I mean, 21 year old who still needs refinement? Sure. 26 year old? Forget it.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 2, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Schödinger's cat.
He could be 21. Or not. Or both. But not neither.
It’s a legitimate concern.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 3, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
The JJ Cooper article around the time that he defected debunked the 26 claim:
Chapman set off a flood of speculation when he defected from the Cuban National team last week, with questions about whether he’ll break the international signing bonus record, when he will become eligible to sign and which club will end up landing him.But nothing seems to have stuck more than Jack Curry’s report in the New York Times that Aroldis Chapman may be 26 years old, five years older than the 21 he’s listed at by the Cubans. That story said that “reports in March at the World Baseball Classic said he was 26.”
That age is based on a New York Times story from the World Baseball Classic on March 13, when Dan Rosenheck listed Chapman’s age as 26. That report was erroneous. When reporting for our Top 10 Prospects from the World Baseball Classic Premium, all of the scouts we talked to said they believed Chapman was 21.
A quick Google Search of “Aroldis Chapman actually 26” shows that the Times report has quickly become the accepted standard, raising significant questions about Chapman’s age. But in addition to not have any real documentation behind it, the report also doesn’t pass the logic test. Why would Cuba lie about a player’s age? Cuba doesn’t want to see its players defect. Lying about Chapman’s age to make him seem younger could have a minor benefit in giving Cuba a better chance win the occasional age-group international tournament (although Chapman has been playing on the senior national team), but it would also raise the likelihood that Chapman would defect for riches in the U.S. If the Cuban government had incentive to mislead, it would want to make its players appear to be older than they are–a 35-year-old pitcher isn’t as likely to land a multimillion dollar deal in the U.S. as a 25-year-old.
Some Cuban players’ ages have been misstated in the past–largely by agents and others trying to get the players big paydays after they have defected. But in Chapman’s case, there is documentation that he’s 21 (and will turn 22 in September), and no credible documentation of anything else. International scouts have been keeping an eye on him every since he broke into Cuba’s Serie Nacional late in 2005 as an 18-year-old. He made his first appearance for Cuba’s national team at the Pan American Games 2007 as a 19-year-old. If he was 26, there would have been no reason for Cuba to have kept him under wraps for several years when he could have been helping the team in the World Baseball Classic and other national tournaments.[/quote]
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=1303
There is no reason to raise concerns about his age. I’m much more confident in Chapman being 22 (I didn’t realize that his birthday was in September in the previous post) than I am about any other international signee’s age being accurate.
Let's try that again...
The JJ Cooper article around the time that he defected debunked the 26 claim:
Chapman set off a flood of speculation when he defected from the Cuban National team last week, with questions about whether he’ll break the international signing bonus record, when he will become eligible to sign and which club will end up landing him.
But nothing seems to have stuck more than Jack Curry’s report in the New York Times that Aroldis Chapman may be 26 years old, five years older than the 21 he’s listed at by the Cubans. That story said that "reports in March at the World Baseball Classic said he was 26."
That age is based on a New York Times story from the World Baseball Classic on March 13, when Dan Rosenheck listed Chapman’s age as 26. That report was erroneous. When reporting for our Top 10 Prospects from the World Baseball Classic Premium, all of the scouts we talked to said they believed Chapman was 21.
A quick Google Search of "Aroldis Chapman actually 26" shows that the Times report has quickly become the accepted standard, raising significant questions about Chapman’s age. But in addition to not have any real documentation behind it, the report also doesn’t pass the logic test. Why would Cuba lie about a player’s age? Cuba doesn’t want to see its players defect. Lying about Chapman’s age to make him seem younger could have a minor benefit in giving Cuba a better chance win the occasional age-group international tournament (although Chapman has been playing on the senior national team), but it would also raise the likelihood that Chapman would defect for riches in the U.S. If the Cuban government had incentive to mislead, it would want to make its players appear to be older than they are–a 35-year-old pitcher isn’t as likely to land a multimillion dollar deal in the U.S. as a 25-year-old.
Some Cuban players’ ages have been misstated in the past–largely by agents and others trying to get the players big paydays after they have defected. But in Chapman’s case, there is documentation that he’s 21 (and will turn 22 in September), and no credible documentation of anything else. International scouts have been keeping an eye on him every since he broke into Cuba’s Serie Nacional late in 2005 as an 18-year-old. He made his first appearance for Cuba’s national team at the Pan American Games 2007 as a 19-year-old. If he was 26, there would have been no reason for Cuba to have kept him under wraps for several years when he could have been helping the team in the World Baseball Classic and other national tournaments.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=1303
There is no reason to raise concerns about his age. I’m much more confident in Chapman being 22 (I didn’t realize that his birthday was in September in the previous post) than I am about any other international signee’s age being accurate.
Very well. I accept that there's little to no concern about him being older.
But 22 is still a concern isn’t it? How used to a full season of work will he be? How developed is his offspeed material?
If we assume that most college pitchers are in the 21 to 22 age range, how far behind other college level talents is he?
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Nov 3, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
the top farm systems rough estimate (2010)
(besides each team I will list my first, 5th and 10th best prospect for that team)
- players could be within + or – 1
1. Cleveland Indians Santana, House, Alexander Perez(higher?)
2. Oakland Athletics – Carter, Desme, Donaldson
3. Tampa Bay Rays – Jennings, Brignac, McGee
4. Pittsburgh Pirates – Alvarez,Owens/ Locke, Hernandez
5. Texas Rangers – Feliz, Scheppers, K. Gomez/ Beavan
6. Atlanta Braves – Heyward, Delgado, Jones
7. Kansas City Royals – Montgomery, Duffy, Parraz
8. San Diego Padres – Decker, Forsythe, Hefner
9. Florida Marlins – Stanton, Hand, Skipworth/ Cousins
10. New York Mets – Niese, Flores, Havens
11. Baltimore Orioles – Matusz, Erbe, Hoes
12. Boston Red Sox – Kelly, Kalish, Fuentes
13. New York Yankees – Montero, Vizcayno, Heathcott
14. Colorado Rockies – Fredierich or Chacin, EY JR/ Rosario,
15. San Francisco Giants – Posey, Kiechnick, Noonan
16. Minnesota Twins – Hicks, Valencia, Tosoni
17. Los Angelos Dodgers – Withrow, Martin, DeJesus
18. Chicago Cubs -Castro or Vitters , H-J Lee, ?Colvin?
19. Milwaukee Brewers – Lawrie, Gindl, Cain/ Jeffress
20. Cincinnati Reds – Alonso, Heisey, Neftali Soto
21. Philadelphia Phillies -Brown or Drabek or Taylor, May/ Savery, Gose
22. Seattle Mariners – Ackley, Aumont, Franklin
23. Wahington Nationals – Strasburg, Marrero, Hood
24. Detroit Tigers – Crosby, Sizemore, Iorg
25. Houston Astros – Lyles, Bogusevic, Disher
26. Los Angelos Angels of Anaheim – Recklilng, Walden, Trumbo
27. Chicago White Sox – Hudson, Morel/Danks, Shelby
28. Arizona D’ Backs – Parker, Eichorn, Harden
29. St. Louis Cardinals – Lynn/Miller, Garcia, Reifer
30. Toronto Blue Jays – Stewart, Emaus/ Jackson, ?
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 4, 2009 12:20 AM EST reply actions
why there is a line through everything other that the bottom 5
I have no idea…
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 4, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
also I am feeling like putting the Yanks at #16
and bumping up the Rox, Giants and Twins to 13,14, and 15.
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 4, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
no Lars Anderson in top 200+ honorable mention.
Talking about a hard fall this season.
I’d be curious to hear your take on him.
Well, anyone’s opinion really.
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