Community Prospect List - Pirates

by cwhitman412 on Oct 21, 2009 7:14 PM EDT Comment 73 comments

I will leave the NL West open for another two days. However I will start the NL Central, our last divison. The Pirates are another team with a great draft this year. Definitely added some depth to the system.

1. Pedro Alvarez

2. Tony Sanchez

3. Tabata

4. Chase D'Arnaud

5. Brad Lincoln

4/5 were tossups for me. Other names to consider are Von Rosenburg, Starling Marte, Colton Cain, Stevenson, Inman, Pounders, Dodson, Black, Grossman, and Alderson.

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1. Pedro Alvarez
2. Brad Lincoln
3. Jose Tabata
4. Tony Sanchez
5. Starling Marte

by gogotabata on Oct 21, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

replace Marte w/ Rudy Owens at 5 please

by gogotabata on Oct 21, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

strike that

actually, please do this order:

1 Pedro Alvarez
2 Brad Lincoln
3 Rudy Owens
4 Jose Tabata
5 Starling Marte

by gogotabata on Oct 21, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hmm

Pedropolis
D’Arnaud
Sanchez
Tabata
Lincoln

by daveh33 on Oct 21, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

1. Pedro Alvarez
2. Jose Tabata
3. Brad Lincoln
4. Chase d’Arnaud
5. Rudy Owens
6. Tony Sanchez
7. Starling Marte
8. Zack Von Rosenberg
9. Tim Alderson
10. Robbie Grossman
11. Dan Moskos
12. Victor Black
13. Colton Cain
14. Jeff Locke
15. Quinton Miller
16. Gorkys Hernandez
17. Trent Stevenson
18. Brooks Pounders
19. Jeff Inman
20. Jarek Cunningham

Neal has added depth, but the top of the system is lacking (other than Pedro of course).

by jar75 on Oct 21, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cunningham

I like him as a sleeper-he was injured this year but I think next year he could break out in a big way

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by Gobroks on Oct 26, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I do too, provided that he can stay healthy

He lost his senior season to a knee injury and now the ACL. That probably makes him a third baseman, and hopefully the injuries haven’t killed his range.

by jar75 on Oct 27, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My Top 5

1) Alvarez
2) Sanchez
3) D’Arnaud
4) Lincoln
5) Alderson

I still believe in Aldy.

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 21, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

As a pirate fan I'd go...

Pedro Alvarez
Tony Sanchez
Brad Lincoln
Jose Tabata
Timmy Alderson
Starling Marte
Rudy Owens
Chase D’arnaud
ZVR
Jeff Locke
Robbie Grossman
Quinton Miller
Gorkys Hernandez
Colton Cain
Bryan Morris
Trent Stevenson
Zach Dodson
Victor Black
Evan Chambers
Jarek Cunningham
Wesley Freeman
Brooks Pounders
Jordy Mercer
Justin Wilson
Danny Moskos
Brock Holt

by joegonzo on Oct 21, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I would add...

Ronald Uvjedo, Natahn Adcock, Brett Lorin, and Nelson Pereira to the list too. I forgot about them. Lorin and Uvjedo would be ahead of Morris, but the rest I would add to the end.

by joegonzo on Oct 21, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know enough about the Pirates system

but it’s interesting to see that you have Alderson that high. I thought the Pirates absolutely robbed the Giants on that one. I’m interested to hear more about Alderson.

by philadelphiacub on Oct 22, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’s a guy who puts up great numbers thanks to control and deception. He’s seen his stuff deteriorate significantly this year and is seen as a back of the rotation arm (like most of the Pirates’ starters). It was a good trade because of how little Freddy Sanchez was worth, but he’s not a great prospect.

by jar75 on Oct 22, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He is a good prospect...

and I would not be surprised at all to see him regain his stuff this year. There is obviously something wrong with the Giants developing their pitchers if their two top pitchers from a year before both see significant losses in stuff. I believe the Pirates will put less stress on his arm and he will rebound. I also think the Pirates will fix that ugly delivery and he will gain even more velocity. I could still see him becoming a good 2 or 3.

by joegonzo on Oct 22, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was good (not great) last year

His stuff went from average to below average. Unless his stuff returns, I see him following Yusmeiro Petit’s career path.

by jar75 on Oct 22, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alvarez
Lincoln
D’Arnaud
Sanchez
Marte

Pretty sorry looking system. D’Arnaud would have been 2nd if not for my concern that he’ll have to move away from MIF due to injuries. Bad deal when I’m considering ranking a guy who sits at 88 (Owens) as my #5 guy. Lots of busted prospects – Tabata, Moskos, Hernandez, Walker, Alderson and Morris, probably in that order. Maybe some of them can bounce back, but I have my doubts. Never been a Tabata fan myself, and while he has ARL on his side, with his body, I doubt he ever adds enough power to stay at COF, and he’d be a liability in CF.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 21, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow...

do research before you talk about players in their system. Owens sat 89-92 throughout the year touching 94 with an outstanding change up. Tabata and Alderson are way too young to be considered busts and D’arnaud doesn’t have injury concerns.

by joegonzo on Oct 21, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe I actually did

- Straight from the horse’s mouth, Owens sits at 88-91, and 91 is the high end of that.

I really don’t know what to describe myself as. I don’t know what “finesse” means. I’m definitely not a power pitcher. I don’t throw low to mid 90s. I sit about 88-91 consistently. I just go out there and throw the ball over the plate and make the hitters get themselves out.

- Yes, Tabata and Alderson are young, but I stated my concerns about why I don’t like Tabata, and Alderson regressed in more ways than just putting up bad stats. I can’t think of many prospects whose velocity significantly dropped when he was 20 and they actually bounced back.

- D’Arnaud has problems with his foot and ankle ligaments that recurred through college and cropped up last year (for which he missed a month). I thought I’d remembered him having hip problems, but when I went back and looked now, I realized that was Travis, not Chase.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 21, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Owens...

is not a power pitcher, but if you have ever seen him, you will know he sits around 89-92 which is not bad for his really good control and amazing change up. J.A Happ is a pretty good comparison for him and look at what he did this year.

by joegonzo on Oct 22, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

I just can’t think of too many lefties with plus control and one plus pitch and a FB that averages less than 90 who end up being much more than spot starters or LOOGYs. Happ and Zito have probably been the most successful that I can think of off the top of my head, but more often than not, they don’t end up staying in the rotation.

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by Brickhaus on Oct 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

His fastball is above average...

if not plus because of his control and movement. If he has two plus pitches and another average pitch he could be a good mid rotation guy.

by joegonzo on Oct 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh...

Randy Wolf, Ted Lilly, pre-‘08 Cliff Lee, Barry Zito, Paul Maholm, Jamie Moyer, Andy Pettitte, and Mark Buehrle are all lefties that have succeeded with FBs that don’t crack 90, and that’s just off the top of my head. Are you saying these guys all have two or more plus off-speed pitches?

by PissedMick on Oct 24, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree with joegonzo i think people are underestimating the pirates system. many great prospects graduated this past year and the pirates gained a lot of good players set for breakout years in the minors next year.

mlbprospectreport.blogspot.com

by kstanz41 on Oct 21, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I also think this is a nice top 10

I like Marte, ZVR, Grossman and D’Arnaud as guys who could break through onto top 100 lists by this time next year. I also think Lincoln could be going the Niemann/W. Davis path, in terms of solid AAA numbers (next year; his FIP wasn’t bad this year either), but nothing hugely flashy, and then turning into a seemingly rock solid #3 starter.

by gogotabata on Oct 21, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

d'arnaud isn't top 100 now?

is there something i don’t know about him?

i’m not talking abut him being a huge prospect, but in the 80-100 range… 2B/SS isn’t that deep

by daveh33 on Oct 21, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

in the carolina league he posted a .186 ISOP

very solid BB/K ratio, and a wOBA of .385

by daveh33 on Oct 21, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I suppose I'd be pretty surprised to see him on a publication's top 100

by gogotabata on Oct 21, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea...

I would put him top 100, but BA probably won’t because he is not really toolsy. I could see them putting Marte on there though. This guy has probably the most potential in the system.

by joegonzo on Oct 22, 2009 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

d'Arnaud

I like him and think he is top 100 material, but he didn’t make at least one site’s top 100 I saw (it was paid content).

by wobatus on Oct 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea...

people really overlook him for his lack of any plus tools. He could still be an above average major league shortstop.

by joegonzo on Oct 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Many great prospects graduated?

If by many you mean Andrew McCutchen. This system is still severely lacking impact talent (other than Pedro).

by jar75 on Oct 21, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, really

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 21, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i meant from all other teams farm systems which means the pirates system looks better

mlbprospectreport.blogspot.com

by kstanz41 on Oct 21, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I still like Matt Hague and Jordy Mercer. And I’m really high on Brock Holt. Not nearly Top 5, but still….

1 – Pedro Alvarez
2 – Tim Alderson
3 – Tony Sanchez
4 – Brad Lincoln
5 – Chase d’Arnaud

by StickRat on Oct 21, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like Brock Holt too...

he is a breakout candidate to me. He has good power and speed potential and some believe he could be an average defender at short even though we drafted him as a second basemen.

by joegonzo on Oct 22, 2009 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pirates

top 5

1. Pedro Alvarez
2. Brad Lincoln
3. Tony Sanchez
4. Tim Alderson
5. Jose Tabata

H.M. : d’Arnaud, Grossman, Locke, Black, Marte

lets not completely forget about Gorkys Hernandez

Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 21, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why not?

"Chicks dig the long ball, although fat chicks will settle for warning track power" - Nick Diamond

by hero66 on Oct 21, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

because hes a very very very good defensive centerfielder

by iam2asian4u on Oct 22, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That makes him what...

a fourth outfielder. I don’t like him at all.

by joegonzo on Oct 22, 2009 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

my list

1. Pedro Alvarez
2. Tony Sanchez
3. Brad Lincoln
4. Rudy Owens
5. Chase D’Arnaud

Overall, I think Neal has them headed in the right direction. If this past draft pans out, by next year, we could be potentially looking at a top 15 system. Right now, there’s just not enough developed quality. This is a system where, whatever the list is this year, due to all the young talent, the chances are high that we could probably see as much impact from 11-15 as we could from 1-5 5 years down the road.

by toonsterwu on Oct 21, 2009 11:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Very true...

we have a TON of players with very high potential but also low floors. Starling Marte, ZVR, Cain, Dodson, Stevenson, Inman, Q Miller, Wesley Freeman, Robbie Grossman, and even guys like Victor Black and Evan Chambers.

by joegonzo on Oct 22, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

As a Pirates fan I'm very excited about the progress of our minor league system the last two years.

1. Alvarez
2. Tabata
3. Sanchez
4. Lincoln
5. Owens
6. Marte
7. Alderson
8. D’Arnaud
9. Uviedo
10. Grossman

While we only have 1 guy who is an elite top-25 prospect (Alvarez), I think Tabata, Sanchez, Lincoln and Owens should all rank between 75 and 100 overall. That is pretty good and it could get even better next year. A few potential breakout candidates are Marte, D’Arnaud, Grossman, Von Rosenberg and Jarek Cunningham.

by houksyndrome on Oct 22, 2009 3:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

a guy I really like

. . .is Colton Cain, a guy with a 2nd round grade who needed a big chunk of money to stop him from going to Texas (unfortunately!). Ideal pitcher’s build with decent athleticism, low 90s heat from the left side and the potential to add on that. Maybe not a huge sleeper for next year as his late signing and general rawness suggests he’ll head to SS ball next year, but 2011 looks promising.

by mrkupe on Oct 22, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

like him a lot, but his floor is so low because he is EXTREMELY raw. A guy I could see having success next year is Zach Dodson. Low 90s with potential for more than that and from what I hear he has a good second pitch too(don’t know what it is though).

by joegonzo on Oct 22, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

basically

I love this system. Nobody really stands out just yet, but there is a ton of youth and upside in the lower levels. They’ve got enough arms to fully stock the short-season and Low A clubs with quality prospects . . .the club has adopted a great strategy of managing costs where they can and putting the money saved into building depth.

Cain IS really raw (he’d be a reliever for UT for at least the next couple of seasons), but his upside is pretty awesome. I could see him going to rookie ball next year, short-season the next, and then Low A in his third season.

by mrkupe on Oct 22, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Clement

No mention fo Jeff Clement on any of these lists is surprising.

by Havok1517 on Oct 22, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

he didn't qualify as a prospect entering 2009

219 major league ABs entering this past season

by jibs on Oct 22, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brett Lorin

is this system that deep to keep a guy out who posted numbers like he did? I know he is a little old for A ball but his last 3 starts were terrific meaning he should definitely start the year in A+ with a promotion to AA at some point next yr. if all goes well of course. should that happen a 23 yr. old pitching in AA wouldn’t be that bad.

at 6’7" and 245/lbs. i would think he’s definitely a prospect. am i missing something? i can’t seem to find any scouting reports on him.

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Oct 22, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lorin

jason churchill gave a scouting report on him, posted June of this year. Basically, low-mid 90’s fb with the potential for a bit more juice, improving curve, and a raw changeup. He suggested his max ceiling was that of a number 3 starter.

I think the system’s deep enough that I wouldn’t put Lorin in a top 5. Anywhere from 8-20, I could conceivably buy, but there’s a ton of projection involved and the ceiling isn’t that great that I’d lean towards the mid-teens right now for Lorin.

by toonsterwu on Oct 22, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I’ve heard back of the rotation. I think the Pirates were smart to grab Pribanic, Lorin, and Adcock in that deal as I am sure one of them will eventually be a back of the rotation guy.

by Marlinsin7 on Oct 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

All go along with what NH has been doing since he got there. Stockpiling a bunch of these types of pitcher so there will never be any major problems with the rotation. Someone will have to step up and when they do, they will have one of the deepest roations in baseball.

by joegonzo on Oct 22, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mine

1. Alvarez
2. Tabata
3. Sanchez
4. Owens
5. Marte

by thegreatchris on Oct 22, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

J'men's list

1. Pedro
2. Pedro
3. Pedro
(Oops, sorry)

1. Pedro Alvarez
2. Chase D’Arnaud
3. Jose Tabata
4. Jeff Locke
5. Tim Anderson

The wind is in the buffalo.

by journeymen on Oct 22, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

1. Alvarez
2. Lincoln
3. Tabata
4. Alderson
5. Sanchez

This system is incredibly deep but seems to lack a ton of impact talent. That said Neal is definitely heading in the right direction. I would say that since the 2008 Draft maybe only the Indians have done more to improve their MILB. The low levels are loaded up with projectable arms. ZVR, Pounders, Stevenson, Cain, Dodson, Miller. They also have some arms that arent as projectable but can still pitch their way to the bigs in Black, Owens, Pribanic, Lorin, Inman, Locke, Morris, JWilson, Uviedo, and more.

Some real concerns for me would be the lack of power hitters outside of Alvarez. Tabata, Grossman, Marte, Gorkys are all good prospects but not one projects for bigtime power.

Keep an eye on; Quincy Latimore, Hunter Strickland, Gift Ngoepe, Wesley Freeman, and C Ramon Cabrera.

If it wasn’t for guys like Moskos and Welker being bad draft picks, this team could have an amazing farm.

by Marlinsin7 on Oct 22, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

2007

Pirates could have had Matt Weiters and Mike Stanton instead of Moskos and Welker……and Dave Littlefield lost his job after the season.

by Marlinsin7 on Oct 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think it really lacks in impact talent

The problem is that we don’t really know who the impact talent is just yet. They have a ton of really young pitchers, many of them with major projection potential. Trying to guess who emerges is something of a crapshoot at the moment.

by mrkupe on Oct 22, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't this true for nearly every system?

Everybody has a lot of “potential impact talent” in the extreme low levels. That’s why it means very little compared to systems that have multiple players that survived the prospect journey to be considered impact talent at the upper levels.

by jibs on Oct 23, 2009 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

nope.

I think the Pirates are exceptionally stocked. In 2010, they could probably fully staff both the short-season and Low A pitching rotations with quality pitching prospects with some left over. . .that’s pretty impressive, and it’s downright amazing when you consider what this system looked like a year ago. They had NOTHING.

by mrkupe on Oct 23, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They are able to stock...

their pitching all the way through AA and still have some left over. They are planning on piggy-backing pitchers at some levels because they do not have enough spots in the rotation.

by joegonzo on Oct 23, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What do you think of their ultra aggressive promotions?

For some reason they pushed Quinton Miller (a rather raw HS pitcher out of a northern state) up to the SAL after only 7 innings in the NYPL. I thought he’d spend most of 2009 in the GCL, and I think that could really backfire.

The amount of low minors high upside arms is the strength of this system, but I do wish they had Tyler Matzek headlining that group.

by jar75 on Oct 23, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

in fairness

They probably liked what they saw out of Miller in short-season ball, had a spot they thought he could fill, and went for it. Seems to have been a pretty solid assessment.

Matzek would have been nice, but they seem to really like Tony Sanchez and he did impress. I tend to think it gets overlooked that Matzek would have had even more leverage had he gone No. 4 and thus would have gotten more than the $3.9M he ended up with. Would the Pirates trade Sanchez and 2-3 of those over-slot signs for Matzek? Maybe, but it’s not really what I would expect given the organizational push towards building depth.

by mrkupe on Oct 23, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No...

they wouldn’t make that trade and that is what makes them smart. Also, Miller has very good stuff and he didn’t do bad at all in the SAL. He had a few tough outings, but overall I believe he did really well for a 19 yr old in the SAL league. He has number 2 potential and I am surprised he is so overlooked considering his stuff.

by joegonzo on Oct 23, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would

I think Matzek is a special talent. Assuming that they aren’t willing to spend more (which they certainly have the means to do considering that they were offering Sano enough to cover the difference between Matzek and Sanchez), I’d gladly trade Sanchez, Inman and Pounders for Matzek.

Miller held his own in the SAL, but I didn’t see any reason to be so aggressive with him. I do like him, but he’s still quite a ways away.

by jar75 on Oct 23, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll confess, I don't totally get the Matzek love

He’s got good upside with his velocity, build and solid secondary stuff, and he’ll be ranked accordingly for that. But I don’t see him as necessarily being a “special” arm, and I REALLY don’t get why people seem to think that not getting him in the draft was such a terrible thing. His mechanics are solid . . .for a prep pitcher. His command is okay . . .for a prep pitcher. Power lefties tend to have a lot of control issues in their youth and Matzek isn’t exactly polished. Calling him the left-handed version of Homer Bailey c. 2005 doesn’t seem like a stretch to me based on what we know at the moment.

by mrkupe on Oct 23, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that comp

gives me a boner

by daveh33 on Oct 24, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Matzek

reminds me a bit of Donald Veal. Sure, he’s ahead of Veal at a similar stage, but I think there are some similarities. Veal never figured out his control enough. If he had, he would’ve been quite exciting. He has had a nice 2 starts in AFL so far, but SSS.

by toonsterwu on Oct 24, 2009 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

BA rated him as having the 2nd best secondary stuff and as having the best command in the entire HS class. He was a lefty with decent velocity and good breaking stuff who had good projection and mechanics for most of the spring. He may have not been completely polished, but his early intrigue was his blend of command, mechanics and stuff. As the draft neared, he saw his velocity jump from sitting in the low 90s to sitting around 95 (topping out at 98).

I’m still pretty high on Bailey, so if Matzek is a left handed version of him, I’d be rather ecstatic.

by jar75 on Oct 24, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Top 5

1. Pedro Alvarez
2. Tony Sanchez
3. Jose Tabata
4. Brad Lincoln
5. Chase d’Arnaud

by Isotopes on Oct 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Top 20

Much improvements, but there’s a need for more impact players.

1. Pedro Alvarez
2. Jose Tabata
3. Tony Sanchez
4. Brad Lincoln
5. Rudy Owens
6. Chase d’Arnaud
7. Starling Marte
8. Tim Alderson
9. Gorkys Hernandez
10. Zack Von Rosenberg
11. Jeff Locke
12. Robbie Grossman
13. Victor Black
14. Colton Cain
15. Daniel Moskos
16. Quinton Miller
17. Ronald Uviedo
18. Neil Walker
19. Trent Stevenson
20. Jarek Cunningham

by woobie on Oct 22, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

They have guys...

that COULD be potential impact guys. That is why they drafted a guy like tony Sanchez in the first round(could be impact player at catcher) and then went with a bunch of high upside guys later. Cunningham, ZVR, Marte, Q Miller, could all be true impact players.

by joegonzo on Oct 22, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

1. Alvarez
2. Tabata
3. Lincoln
4. Alderson
5. Sanchez

by jarjets89 on Oct 22, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Probably the closest to mine

Mine is:

1. Alvarez
2. Tabata
3. Lincoln
4. Sanchez
5. Alderson

6-10 (in no order): D’Arnaud, McCutchen, Grossman, Negrych, Owens

System has gotten really deep with a whole bunch of guys possible for a top 10 spot (Locke, Gorkys, Moskos [if you believe], Hague and Marte

by thudean on Oct 23, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think they did very well...

signing players in latin america last year. Guys like Jorge Bishop, Excardio Cayonez, and Yhonathon Barrios(can’t spell his first name) could end up shooting up these lists next year after their good performances in the VZL.

by joegonzo on Oct 22, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs