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AFL - Day Four Strasburg Debuts


Tonight many of us will be waiting to see how phenom Stephen Strasburg looks in his AFL and minor league debut.  Not sure if there is any access to this game via the web, but I'm sure we'd all enjoy hearing how he looked from anyone who might be able to see the game.

Some strong performances yesterday, including cough cough, Mike Moustakas (Royals homer).  Moustakas clubed a 3 run Hr, and added two doubles for a 3-5 day with 7 RBI's.  Other performances of note include:

Yonder Alonso, 1-4 with his first AFL dinger

Dustin Ackley, 2-5, run scored

Scott Sizemore, 2-4 2Hr's 3 Rbi's

Dayan Viciedo, 3-5 1BB, Hr 3 runs scored

Andrew Lambo, 3-5 Hr, double, 4 Rbi's

Mike Leake, 2 IP 4hits, 1BB, 2K's 0ER

Jose Iglesias, 1-1 1BB 1HBP, Hr 2 Rbi's

Danny Gutierrez (sigh) 3 IP, 0 hits 2BB, 2K's 0ER

 

Another two afternoon games, so post away with your comments and observations.

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also aaron miller dodgers 2009 supplmental pick

went 2.1 innings 0 hits 1 walk 1 K

has not been a pitcher full time till now and has really taken off….

by matthewmafa on Oct 16, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, mafa,

I’ve heard that the 100-103 mph is an exaggeration.

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he'll be jacked

so i’m going with at least one 100, but think he’ll sit in the mid 90’s for most of the start.

by MightyMoose on Oct 16, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

93

time off + first day back has him holding back. by end of fall he’ll be 96

by ScottAZ on Oct 16, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

126

He was holding back in college.

by guru4u on Oct 16, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I could see him trying hard to impress in his first start for anything good. I would say 102

by joegonzo on Oct 16, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scheppers

Does anyone know when he’ll make his debut? Above is the question about Stras’s velocity, but I’m much more interested in his pitch f/x.

by jar75 on Oct 16, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't know

I hope it’s today.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No PFX but

Scheppers is really wild. way up in the zone.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like his mechanics, but he throws country gas.

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what is wrong with his mechanics?

not disagreeing, just curious about what you see.

by son.of.sourman on Oct 16, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tall-and-fall and bad front hip rotation.

His mechanics are not awful, but I’m definitely not a fan.

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

sort of Justin Verlander like ?
a little bit , possibly with less pure balance

But I still Love Strasburg overall, I mean really, who doesn’t ?

Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Oct 17, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking about Scheppers.

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 17, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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@keithlaw Scheppers’ first ten fastballs: 95 96 95 97 98 97 98 98 96 95 96. Mike Stanton #fisted one of the 98s to RF for a single. #rangers #marlins

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have to see how the shoulder holds up.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I would bet that he's a bullpen guy

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

are saying this based on durability or stuff?

i would think durability b/c he seems like he has pretty good stuff. may have been ahead of matusz and crow in his draft class if he hadn’t gotten injured

by son.of.sourman on Oct 16, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Durability

He has great stuff but shoulder is a ticking time bomb.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Way to go out on a limb there. What other option is there?

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by WayneCampbell08 on Oct 18, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's done for the day

2IP 1H 0R 1BB 2K 1PO

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leake

not great reports on him yesterday. trouble locating his pitches, but more importantly only up to 90mph on the gun. you’d think the lay off would help with velocity not reduce it. go figure.

by MightyMoose on Oct 16, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Leake

I was under the impression that Leake gets by on an extreme ground ball tendency and solid off-speed stuff. The fastball velocity may be a tick below what was reported at draft time, but that isn’t really his game.

by jar75 on Oct 16, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

his norm

i’ve watched leake the last 3 years and he doesn’t dial up much over 90. i even posted that on here draft time when some guy was arguing he was 94. leake has never touched that speed and the fastest i ever saw him gunned at packard was 91

by ScottAZ on Oct 16, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

imo, he seems like a real reach then at #8 overall

if the Reds grabbed a college guy that can barely touch 90? That doesn’t sound like much upside.

by MightyMoose on Oct 16, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeremy Sowers?

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by gorilla_baller on Oct 16, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

big difference

1. Sowers is a lefty . . .and actually I’ve seen him touch 92-93 in multiple starts. The problem is that he loses movement and command and so his 92 usually ends up being a less effective pitch than his 90.

2. Sowers had great command of average-across-the-board pitches. Leake has command of multiple above-average pitches.

by mrkupe on Oct 16, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been following Sowers all year (Cleveland Fan) and seen/watched most of his starts. If he’s hit 92 it was on accident. In fact, the pitchf/x algorithm regularly confuses his fastball (87-88) with his change up (82-84). Sowers’ command is the only thing he has going for him. He’s a master for four innings or twice through the lineup, but beyond that he get’s figured out really quickly.

I wasn’t so much going for a spot-on comparison, I just wanted to point out a guy who put up pretty damn good college numbers without much of a fastball. Sowers’ selection by the Indians might have been a big jump too (at least in retrospect). There were some signability issues with guys selected after him, but he really wasn’t the best tools guy on the board at that point. Even if you look at college stats, there were guys who outshined him.

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by gorilla_baller on Oct 16, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

He may have been a bit of a reach. I’d have rather had a few other college pitchers instead of him (most notably, Alex White), but he does have a solid arsenal and induces a lot of ground balls. He dominated in college and should be a relatively safe bet. Mike Minor was a significantly bigger reach than Mike Leake

by jar75 on Oct 16, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

define significantly

by what degree does the reach of mike minor differ from the reach of mike leake.

by richieabernathy on Oct 16, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minor fits the mold of the crafty lefty. He wasn’t particularly good last year in college and his stuff just isn’t as good as Leake’s. I’ve only seen Minor pitch once, via webcast, but it was thoroughly unimpressive to me. I realize that isn’t very scientific, but the BA/BP agrees:

BA ranked Leake #14; Minor #35
KG ranked Leake #8; Minor #27
Andy Seiler ranked Leake #6; Minor #35 (his draft board for Sickels’s mock draft)

Minor was a safe pick.

by jar75 on Oct 16, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree with the selection

if ‘safe’ was their consideration when drafting him. That and I guess if signability was going to be an issue. Otherwise, why not take the best player available?

by MightyMoose on Oct 16, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the Braves don’t particularly like to go over slot and I guess they liked Mike Minor. I don’t agree with the logic. I think you go the best player available because “safe” picks (and I’m talking as a Pirate fan here) tend to fail just as often as risky picks.

by jar75 on Oct 16, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry I was talking about Leake

but I guess it could also apply to the Reds.

by MightyMoose on Oct 16, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leake

Oh. As I said earlier, there are other college starters I would choose over him, but he does have solid stuff. His fastball may not be overly impressive velocity wise, but it reportedly has good movement. He may be a bit of a safe pick, but it’s a justifiable selection if the Reds didn’t want to deal with a HS pitcher.

by jar75 on Oct 16, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Leake took less money than Minor

In other words, your argument has to either depend on the Braves having not understood that Leake would also go for slot, or what appears to me to be much more likely, to say that money was not the reason they chose Minor over Leake. I know that every independent expert liked Leake substantially more than Minor, but it appears that the Braves – correctly or not – disagreed.

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by OldProspects on Oct 16, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I said that they liked Minor. Why? I’m not sure, maybe they just preferred to get a LH starter in their system. The money portion was in relation to the top prep arms who were asking for big money, not as to the reason why they chose him over Leake.

I still consider it an overdraft despite the fact that they liked him (the same can be said about Tony Sanchez).

by jar75 on Oct 16, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

money desired is a scouting question too

maybe they just misscouted leak’s willingness to sign for slot.

by son.of.sourman on Oct 16, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no problem with the argument that they made a mistake

But I think that that mistake would be a scouting mistake, not a monetary one. I come out of this experience being more interested in Minor, as the Braves, who aren’t exactly terrible at the scouting business, seem to have been very committed to him. They may have erred, but I’d like to see

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by OldProspects on Oct 17, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should also point out

How well Minor did in his first (albeit tiny sample size-worth) professional performance. This doesn’t mean he’ll be a star or even a decent pitcher, but maybe we’ve been under-estimating him.

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by OldProspects on Oct 17, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a very hard time believing that money didn't come into play here

Tyler Matzek signed a bonus (3.9M) that was more than what the Braves spent in the first 10 rounds of the draft. Had money not been an issue, I seriously doubt that they would have chosen Minor over some of the prep pitchers.

Now, I do agree that they liked Minor for whatever reason. Of the inexpensive pitchers, he was obviously their preference. I still consider it an overdraft though considering that the consensus is that his ceiling is a #3 starter. Maybe the Braves feel differently, and we’ll find out in time or maybe they just thought he’d be able to move quickly.

As for his performance, he was a polished lefty in the SAL for 14 innings. We won’t know anything about him until he gets to the higher levels.

I want to make it clear that I don’t think he’s a bad prospect, merely that he wasn’t a top 10 (or even 20) talent.

by jar75 on Oct 17, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I agree that money may have been an issue

as to why they didn’t pick Matzek or Purke or Turner or a few other people. But in comparison to Leake (whose selection has gotten much less criticism) it seems highly unlikely that money was a significant factor

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by OldProspects on Oct 21, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

On that whole velocity thing. If you sat around for a few weeks and did nothing, the first thing you do is warm up. You don’t start trying to throw as hard as you can – you’ll blow out your arm. I expect his next start out to be more in the 89-91 range with better command.

by thudean on Oct 16, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't he at instructs?

I think he was. He logged innings, and bullpen sessions well before his start today. It’s not like it’s been months without throwing and all of a sudden he was put on the mound.

by MightyMoose on Oct 16, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at asu

i would also be a little worried if I was the Reds as far as how hard Murphy rode his arm at ASU. He logged A TON of innings at ASU, over 130 for all three years and a TOn of pitches as well. He threw over 150 in the Super Regional aginst Miss as just a freshman.

So you have a guy that is about 5’10", 170 pounds and logged over 100 pitches every start for the past 3 years of college

by ScottAZ on Oct 20, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't he

throw on two or even one day’s rest in this year’s super regionals? maybe it was the cws… i know mike minor did too in the postseason.

by richieabernathy on Oct 20, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

he did that every year. 2007 as a freshman he threw 150 pitches in a Super Regional game and then came in the next day to close. That same year he pitched on 2 days rest in the CWS. In 2008 he pitched a complete game aginst Fresno St at the Super Regional and then came to close the next day. This year he pitched in the CWS on 2 days rest as well.

Murphy rode his arm as hard as you can possibly ride a guy that doesn’t weigh a buck 70

by ScottAZ on Oct 21, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leake

he’s probably rusty. as a control/off speed guy, he probably needs a little longer to get a feel for his stuff again

by son.of.sourman on Oct 16, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blake Wood back to starting role

i like it. still see him as a top 20 KC prospect if he is to remain a starter.

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by doublestix on Oct 16, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As an A's fan I'll plug the two A's OFs in Phoenix

Corey Brown and Grant Desme both have logged HRs. So far Brown’s lower lever counterpart, Desme, has outhit him (in a very SSS).

Desme—.333/.467/.667; 1 double, 1 HR, 3 BBs, 7Ks (Desme has made one out that wasn’t a K
Brown—.250/.357/.500; 1 HR, 2 BBs, 4 Ks

All I can say is “Wow” when it comes to Desme. If we were to consider this a 3 game series, we could see he’s done well when he’s made contact, but ay chihuahua! Those Ks are killing me!

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by nobodyinparticular on Oct 16, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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@keithlaw Josh Bell, hitting RH, drives a long ground rule double to right-center off a fringy lefty. #orioles
@keithlaw And Grant Desme, who can’t hit an average fastball to save his life, does the same thing. #a’s
@keithlaw Desme with a long HR to left on a flat cutter.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i love Desme

call me a believer

by daveh33 on Oct 16, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitch F/x Observations

Chia-Jen Lo’s has good stuff. Really good stuff.

Omar Aguilar’s changeup has weird movement. Looks like a legit Screwball.

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by cwhitman412 on Oct 16, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And Andrew Oliver

Looks really really good. 23 fastballs, 18 of them strikes, 6 of them swings. 94 average, 96 peak.

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by cwhitman412 on Oct 16, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oliver

don’t know much on him other than the problems with the NCAA and his agent. Does he project more as a starter or power reliever?

by MightyMoose on Oct 16, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He should be able to start.

by jar75 on Oct 16, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really lacked a good breaking pitch when i saw him this spring

and that’s always been the knock on him. i’d be interested to see if he’s made any progress.

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by doublestix on Oct 16, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He used to have a great CB

Though that seems to have disappeared

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by OldProspects on Oct 16, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was about to make the same post

If Detroit happens to get him to throw it again, he’ll be an absolute steal.

by jar75 on Oct 16, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

andrew lambo

3 for 4 triple double

yesterday he went 3 for 5 with a homer and double

by matthewmafa on Oct 16, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Finally.

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1 Hitless Inning

2 Ks, Domonic Brown and Brandon Crawford, got Tabata to ground out. 19 pitches, 12 strikes. No velocity data.

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by cwhitman412 on Oct 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Strasburg has been extremely poised in his first two starts. Not overthrowing pitches and commanding the strikezone!

by bryeic on Oct 16, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All of the hitters who Strasburg is facing played in AA or higher this year minus Neal and D'Arnaud

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Another Key Stat

7 grounders 0 flyouts so far through 3 innings.

by MightyMoose on Oct 16, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

two double plays

obviously we talk about the value of pitchers getting ground balls since hitters can’t hit a ground ball over the fence, but i know i sometimes forget that ground balls are clearly how you get out of a jam with a double play ball as well.

by richieabernathy on Oct 16, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Erased two of the three baserunners.

He had 8 ground ball outs overall. If four were on double plays, that’s still 6 ground balls vs. 0 fly balls.

So…

11 batters faced
2 SO (18.1%)
1 BB (9%)
0 HR
6 ground balls (54.5%)
2 line drives (18.1%)
0 fly balls

Not much else to say.

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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 16, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice call, Moose.

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard he was 87-89 with an average changeup and below average slider.

Please, solemn people, don’t kill me.

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every Past Gun Reading Was In Km/H

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by cwhitman412 on Oct 16, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LLWS style. Aight.

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oo la la

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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 17, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the heck? (Desme)

Desme is 2-4 with another HR and another K. He’s pounding the ball and whiffing even more. I might love him as a prospect if he didn’t whiff so much. Instead, I just like him.

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by nobodyinparticular on Oct 17, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Strasburgs Velocity!!
Strasburg, Washington’s prized prospect, threw his fastball 32 times, averaging 95 miles per hour. He topped out at 98 mph and reached 97 six other times.
Brandon Allen, a Diamondbacks prospect, walked against Strasburg in the second before Buster Posey, a highly-regarded catcher for the San Francisco Giants, hit into a double play. Thomas Neal, also with the Giants, singled to left on an 81 mph off-speed pitch in the third but Pittsburgh prospect Chase D’Arnaud hit into a double play two pitches later to end the inning.
Jose Tabata, also with the Pirates, singled sharply to center field to lead off the fourth. Brandon Crawford of the Giants grounded weakly to shortstop but the Desert Dogs were not able to turn two on the play on what ended up being Strasburg’s final pitch of the night.

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by matthewmafa on Oct 17, 2009 2:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mah boi was soft-tossin'.

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by Frederick0220 on Oct 17, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Insane! Strasburg is just warming, self-admitting that he has been pitching to contact to induce DP balls. Love his poise … Gwynn has done good here in finer points of the game!

by bryeic on Oct 17, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard Strasburg hit 99mph twice yesterday.

A few more starts he should be up in the hundreds.

Be real with yourself.

by Daggerrrrrr on Oct 17, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You being a Braves fan

You would love to see that happen, wouldn’t you?

Be real with yourself.

by Daggerrrrrr on Oct 17, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need to stop concerning ourselves with delivery mechanics so much.

We hear a lot about soanso’s mechanics being wrong or bad or increases the chance of injury. Then we get Francisco Rodriguez, whose elbow has not flown off yet.

It’s what he’s been pitching with to great success. Until it proves otherwise, no reason to get paranoid about it.

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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 17, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think it's too much truth, not enough fact.

I hear lots of theories about proper mechanics and avoiding injury. I’ve also seen those types get injured. I’ve heard lots of theories about how soandso’s mechanics will shorten their career, or are an injury threat. Those players have survived.

I don’t have a problem with studying delivery mechanics. Until we know, BA can say that they don’t like whomever’s mechanics they want. May or may not mean anything.

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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 19, 2009 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

correct

The very best knowledge we have about pitching mechanics leads to the simple conclusion that we just do not know much of anything about pitching mechanics.

by mrkupe on Oct 19, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Link

Or it didn’t happen.

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by WayneCampbell08 on Oct 18, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

10 years is a career away...

Theyre not exactly going out on a limb there.

by alskor on Oct 19, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was one scout who they quoted

BA made no direct statement. Here’s the blog post:

Stephen Strasburg made his long-awaited and highly-anticipated professional debut here Friday night in an Arizona Fall League contest.

The righthander was one of the most highly publicized prospects in baseball history, Strasburg enjoyed a sensational junior season at San Diego State in 2009 and was named BA’s College Player of the Year on his way to being the No. 1 overall pick by the Washington Nationals in June.

Taking the mound for the Phoenix Desert Dogs in a game against the Scottsdale Scorpions, Strasburg delivered 52 pitches in 3.1 innings of work. Overall, the 6-foot-5, 220-pounder faced 11 hitters, allowing two hits, one walk and striking out two. He got eight ground outs and no fly outs. Thirty-two of his pitches were strikes, and he notched first-pitch strikes on six of the 11 batters he faced.

BA spoke to a veteran pro and amateur scout and received his assessment on Strasburg’s outing.

According to one scout, Strasburg threw hard but wasn’t missing a lot of bats. "He topped out at 97-98 (mph) in the first and second inning, then was lower in the third at 95," the scout said. "He was up in the zone a lot and gave up a lot of foul balls. When he’s down in the zone he gets good sinking action. That’s where he got his two strikeouts."

The strikeouts came against Brandon Crawford of the Giants and Domonic Brown of the Phillies.

The scout continued, "His 82-83 curve wasn’t as sharp as I’ve seen it before. He was casting the curve, and Thomas Neal (Giants) got a hit off of that pitch. I thought his slider, at 87-88, was his better breaking ball tonight."

Jose Tabata (Pirates) gave Strasburg trouble all night, working a walk early on and then doubling to right-center field in the third inning. Tabata has spent time in Double-A and Triple-A, of course, while this was Strasburg’s pro debut.

From a mechanical standpoint, the scout stated that Strasburg "gets a little forward with his arm and hand in his delivery. Also, his elbow gets closed up on top. I’m a little worried about his ability to drive downward all the time. He throws so hard and gets such ride and carry on his fastball, he can throw it up in the zone and get away with it. There are a few little red flags and he needs to clean up his delivery a bit. But the positives outweigh the negatives."

On a long-term basis, the scout sees Strasburg as "a sort of righthanded Dave Righetti. No doubt he’ll begin his career as a No. 1 starter, but later on I can see him being a power closer."


Of course, it was one start, and the first for Strasburg since NCAA regional play at the end of May. Strasburg has more AFL starts to gain experience before expectations ramp up for his first pro season in 2010.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=6838#more-6838

by jar75 on Oct 19, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would love to know from what organization

some of these scouts they talk to are working for. If it’s a team with a good recent draft history then I’d weigh the comments a little more then say, if it came from the ’Stros or Pirates.

by MightyMoose on Oct 19, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Professional scouts...

are different from amateur scouts. They’re not the same people who drive around the country all year watching high school baseball and showcase circuits.

by slamcactus on Oct 19, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Should have known better than to trust Braves’ memory.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Oct 19, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, how did he make a mistake?

Instead of saying “later in his career” he said within 10 years. Not the biggest change at all

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by OldProspects on Oct 21, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was a criticism of the sourcing

Braves made it seem as though BA was making a proclamation, when they were just quoting one scout’s opinion.

by aCone419 on Oct 22, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two Things

First, he said BA said “blah, blah, blah”. This implies that it was one of their writers who said it, not some random, unnamed scout. Second, there’s a huge semantic difference between those two phrases : “within 10 years” & “later in his career”. The former could be 1 or 2 years from now, the latter over 20.

Also, looking at the quote closer, the scout didn’t even say that he didn’t like his delivery. His exact quote was “There are a few LITTLE red flags and he needs to clean up his delivery A BIT.” (emphasis mine) You can probablyl say that about 99.999% of pitchers out there. That’s a long ways from “didn’t like his delivery”.

Braves’ readers digest version of the article is at best misguided, at worst deliberately inflammatory. I guess another alternative is that he just didn’t understand what was written too.

This was basically Steven’s first start in what 3 months? He’s not going to be perfect. It’s akin to a pitcher’s first spring training start.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Oct 21, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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