AFL - Day Two
by MightyMoose on Oct 14, 2009 1:29 PM EDT
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Good to see some minor league games again. Some noteworthy performances from day one, including:
Ike Davis' grand slam and 6 RBI day
Jason Heyward pair of doubles RBI/Run/SB
Mike Minor two scoreless innings
Buster Posey 0-5
Yonder Alonso 1-5
Ian Kennedy 4IP's 1 run 4K's 0BB
Dom Brown goes yard
So today there are a couple of afternoon games ahead, pass the day and post away. Let's talk about some of the fine AFL players
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Dustin Ackley debut today.
Batting 9th and playing center field for Peoria at 2:35 eastern. He’s facing Jenrry Mejia.
by Andy Seiler on Oct 14, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good call
forgot about him starting today.
When’s Strasburg scheduled to go Thurs or Fri?
by MightyMoose on Oct 14, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Center field?
Hmm, that’s a pleasant surprise. I thought he was going to play first in the AFL.
by jar75 on Oct 14, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I originally thought too. But it sounds like he’s going to rotate between outfield spots to get as much playing time as possible.
by PhillyFriar on Oct 14, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why on earth would you think that?
The Mariners have been saying all along he’ll be an outfielder.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 14, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was listed as a first baseman, and in KG’s AFL preview, he said that they were going to wait until the spring to move him to CF:
The second overall pick in June, Ackley will make his unofficial pro debut in the AFL, and while he’s likely to move to the outfield next spring, he’ll probably stay at first base for now, as the Mariners don’t want to add a position switch to his plate, and the Scorpions’ roster is already loaded with outfielders.
by jar75 on Oct 14, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2-4 with a run
not a bad AFL debut.
by MightyMoose on Oct 14, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord.
Does nobody know he was an outfielder before the TJ surgery relegated him to first base duties during rehab? Kev Goldstein’s going to suppose that the M’s don’t want to add a position switch to his plate? Is there any direct quote that he supplies from any Mariner official that says that?
Everything I’ve seen, heard, and read from the Mariners has revealed that they want him in the outfield, preferably center field.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 14, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That guy makes up everything.
Real shame that he’s able to have such an influence in the community when all he does is deceive people.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Oct 15, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't go that far.
Guys who have to try to focus on all 30 teams and their prospects are going to miss things. That doesn’t mean they’re intentionally deceiving, they’re just wrong.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 15, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
No one said that that wasn’t the plan, merely that they were going to wait until the spring to move him back to CF. Yes, everyone knows why he was relegated to first base.
by jar75 on Oct 15, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where does that come from?
The “wait until spring” comment?
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 15, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, I’m not Kevin Goldstein. He probably talked to someone who said that that’s where he’d likely be playing, but I cannot say with any certainty. Perhaps he simply inferred it by looking at the roster and seeing the depth at OF AND that he was listed as a 1B. I’m not privy to the inner workings of his mind.
I merely stated that it was a pleasant surprise to see that he’s playing CF in the AFL because the reports were that he was going to play first.
by jar75 on Oct 15, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
Very well. No harm done and not worth getting anymore into.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 15, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1IP 1H 2ER 3BB 1K
Gameday had his fastball in 94-98 range though.
by jar75 on Oct 14, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tough
it’s only one start, but seemed a bit wild only 21 of 39 for strikes.
what’s more disheartening is that this was against the B team. Most of the starters from yesterday got the day off.
by MightyMoose on Oct 14, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see if Iglesias
can put up a big day again.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 14, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chode shit
He ain’t playing.
He’s too good for this faggotry, yo.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 14, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
Seriously, quit it with the use of offensive terms. I could find probably 50 posts by you in the last month alone with language that really has no place here in even a single instance.
by mrkupe on Oct 14, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I mean I respect you as a poster and all, you seem very knowledgeable, but you are just out of line sometimes with some of the stuff you write sometimes. Now I don’t know if you are joking or whatever, but it’s really not funny. There is no place here for that.
by DJSlam on Oct 14, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is going to be the wrong place for this subthread but...
It’s one thing if someone calls you an offensive term. It’s another if he’s just saying it. I find oversensitivity to be just as offensive as the offending commentary.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 14, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, I don't really get that.
Why would I only find a term to be offensive if it’s being used towards me? I’m not looking to be the minorleagueball.com police here, but I’m not going to act like I’m living in a bubble either.
This is a community and I respect everybody here. If something you say has the potential to insult another member of the community, it has the potential to insult me.
Nobody ever “just says” something. To that end, if you’d like me to find evidence of some of the things that have been said and provide insight as to how I might be offended at some of the things that have been said, I’ll do my best to accomplish that. You can probably figure this out just fine on your own time, though.
by mrkupe on Oct 14, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minor League Baseball: A blog about milb/rookies/prospects
Let’s keep it to that. Just don’t be offensive. Let’s not have yet ANOTHER thread hijacked by some digressive and silly argument
by Mets2k9 on Oct 14, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Wrong spot for this discussion.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 15, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do I begin?
The non literal “I” am supposed to not say something because the non literal “you” might be offended. In general conversation, where you are not being addressed, my answer is often “I wasn’t talking to you, mind your own business.”
The caveat is my above statement. If I’m saying it to you, I’m deliberately making a comment that has intent. Calling you a “faggot” is likening you with all that word implies, both in my contextual meaning and yours. To expound, say I called you a duck. To you, a duck means I’m generally calling you a water fowl. It doesn’t make much sense. To me, it’s a severe insult on you, your mom, your gender, race, religion, and whatever. So to me, I’m dropping an insult on you. Or a compliment. Or whatever the word means. Regardless, the intent is there.
Nobody ever "just says" something.
Maybe. But the context is more important than the words. He’s using it in a fashion that explains his displeasure at the situation. Perhaps he chose that word because he finds whatever is associated with the word “faggotry” to be negative. Perhaps he didn’t have any specific meaning behind the word “faggotry” except that the word itself was negative.
I’m not trying to say you can’t ever be offended. That’d be ridiculous. People are going to be offended by whatever they want. The reaction, however, you can control. Even if you can’t stop the offense, you can stop the meaning of something by simply paying it no heed.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 15, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree.
And it’s real fucking obvious that when I use the word ‘faggotry,’ it is devoid of a homophobic connotation.
CONTEXT.
Also, anyone who gets offended by that kind of shit needs to stop sleeping with his mommy.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 15, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've yet to see one of you idiots speak up live, in person
Because you know you are safe behind your monitor. Really, who is stil sleeping with their mother?
by tuna411 on Oct 15, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're being trolled.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 15, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
STOP
seriously. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THIS KIND OF TRIVIAL AND DIVISIVE DISCUSSION
by Mets2k9 on Oct 15, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Just flag his comments until John bans him.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Oct 15, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bans me -- for what?
This isn’t preschool. Are you guys mormons or some shit?
A swear once in a while is completely acceptable.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 15, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
There’s offhandedly saying a word, then there’s antagonizing. Before you did the former, now you’re doing the latter.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 15, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I'd call this "trivial". As for "divisive", what argument isn't?
But, I am a man of the masses. If we’re not to speak of such things then we’ll not speak of such things.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 15, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate your rational ways, good sir.
Frankly, I’m sick of this “Let me be PC bullshit, so I can come across as a good person.”
It’s over-the-top and try-hard.
Now, if I used ‘faggotry’ to insult a person’s sexuality, then that would be offensive and off-base.
Words are just sign posts, fellas.
C’mon now.
And, I respect Mr. Kupe and his insights, but seriously, if someone gets offended by that, then they’re just going out making a concerted effort to seek something to validate their victim ego.
A word on an internet forum, overtly said in an innocuous context, I might add, should not impact your sense of self — to whom ever was offended by that.
You guys remind me of the people out there who were freaking out when Janet Jackson’s tit came out at the Super Bowl.
Stop caring about trivial bullshit.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 15, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, shit.
You caught me sweetheart.
I’m still sleeping with my mommy.
Teach me, bro. Teach me. How’d you know?
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 15, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you do not get my intent.
I wasn’t looking for a philosophical debate or a class on grammar or linguistics. All I said is that I’d rather take my baseball discussion free of offensive words and/or language. Is this a bad thing, or even worth discussing further? I think not.
by mrkupe on Oct 15, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it's worthy of discussion
You’re trying to force your opinion on someone else. Personally, I’d rather take my baseball discussion free of any tyrannical attempts to censor the members of this forum.
What he said wasn’t meant to offend anybody, if you were offended by it perhaps the problem is with you and not with one silly freaking word.
Who loves orange soda?
by Kenan and Kel on Oct 15, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
excuse me?
I’m sorry sir, but you’re in the wrong here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with me saying that I find a word to be offensive, which I do. The word in question is typically used in a slanderous manner with a very specific connotation. The poster in question even admits he knows that the word could be construed in an offensive manner and still uses it without restraint.
I’m really not sure what your point is. Are you arguing that I am a “tyrant” for opposing the usage of offensive language? Are you arguing that it’s actually okay for somebody to say these things and not be challenged?
by mrkupe on Oct 15, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is important:
The word in question is typically used in a slanderous manner with a very specific connotation.
There is no slander in my posts, and the connotation is anything but malicious.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 15, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am arguing
that not everybody shares your opinion, and simply because you feel slighted by a word on the internet, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be allowed.
This horrible, horrible word wasn’t even used in the very specific connotation you are referring to.
I think you need to relax. Perhaps you have a point, some people might be offended, but it isn’t your place to censor anybody. If you’re this sensitive you might consider abstaining from further online browsing.
Who loves orange soda?
by Kenan and Kel on Oct 15, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absurd.
I’m perfectly relaxed. I just asked the poster not to use offensive language, and specifically not to use a word that does have a very specific connotation. Feel free to look up the definition of the word in question (which I won’t be using myself even in this case). What in the world do you think he meant?
I think you hit it right on the head. Some people MIGHT be offended, like I was. And if people ARE offended, like I was, then it’s their right to speak up just the same as it’s my right. I don’t appreciate being called a tyrant, or a fascist, or anything else of the sort just because I don’t support the wanton usage of anti-gay slurs. But to each their own I suppose.
Anyways. I don’t think I’ve said a single unreasonable thing here, but I’ll leave this matter and move on.
by mrkupe on Oct 16, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah... now we're getting somewhere.
Are you arguing that it’s actually okay for somebody to say these things and not be challenged
The answer is, for both his circumstance and yours: you are free to do whatever you want to do, you simply have to accept the consequences of your actions.
In this case, he used a word. You engaged him. You are a consequence of his actions. Another consequence is the court of public opinion beyond yourself. Though you said something, others haven’t but could still have a negative opinion of his comment. Another possible consequence comes from Sickels or the moderators taking action.
Likewise, you are free to challenge him for his statement. Your consequence has been myself and others who see your challenge in our own ways. To me, it’s counter productive and pretentious. To Kenan and Kel here, it’s facist.
As I said above, an offhanded comment can be offensive. So can your reaction to that.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 15, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question is...
How does it harm you?
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 15, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Respect to both Kenan and Typical.
Mr. Kupe is a good guy, and I don’t believe he was offended, but he was pointing out that someone/some others could be offended by what I have said on this forum.
I, too, agree that it is absurd for people to take things out of context and twist and turn things, so that they can rationalize a feelings of negativity.
All I know is that I try to bring value to the forum by sharing what I know about prospects and the game as a whole.
Sure, my style and the way I articulate my thoughts might be a little unconventional, but that’s just the way I act.
Look for what I am trying to convey — not the way in which it is conveyed. That’s merely surface level expression.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 15, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*may be
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 15, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that pretty much wraps this subthread up.
Neat and tidy.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 15, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Using my own logic.
What are the consequences of my continuing to engage him? For now, they’re acceptable. Therefore, your request is denied.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 15, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Acceptable consequence.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 16, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shut the fuck up
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover?
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your "style"
as you call it is not “unconventional”, it is something else.
Okay, sure, yeah, right I’ll look for the DEEPER meaning behind the word “Faggotry”- LOL! You are a piece of work Dude.
by casejud on Oct 16, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is, without a doubt,
unconventional on this website.
Everyone is so conservative and serious here.
You would think this were a Hopscotch/British Tea Party message board.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a difference between irreverence and being mean
Why not take this as a rule – only mock groups of which you yourself are a member. If you want to come out of the closet, then that’s one thing. Otherwise, don’t say it
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by OldProspects on Oct 19, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and btw,
the word ‘faggotry’ has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH HOMOSEXUALITY.
Faggot does. Fag does. Homo does. Queer does.
But faggtory just means lame.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 19, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That
is some serious horseshit, and you know it. And even if it was a synonym for “lame”, where do you think the origin of that use of the word comes from? That’s right, from the same bigoted mindset that caused the words fag, faggot, homo, and queer to be used as insults. And in fact, if you look on dictionary.com it has the following entry:
–noun Slang: Disparaging and Offensive.
male homosexuality
Would you expect anybody to complain or be offended if you had said “He’s too good for this niggary”, or “Jewery”, or anything else like that? Of course you would. This is the same fucking shit. I hope that Northwestern has mandatory freshman seminars on hate speech or just basic human interaction, because you could seriously use it.
by jibs on Oct 19, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm diggin' the Northwestern plug, my man
You know — you’re not the first person to voice his/her (implied) stance on my attitudes and behavior not meshing with the ethos of an academic institution the level of Northwestern University.
I think a handful of people in my town were quite resentful when a “disillusioned degenerate” like me got into that school, and kids with 4.0’s // 2300 SAT scores // acclaimed awards and extracurriculars were rejected.
Believe me — the things I say and do are not done out of contempt. When you hear the seemingly nefarious things that Howard Stern says, you don’t complain. I guess I don’t have the entitlement, yet, to carry out a questionable sense of humor.
You know I respect you.
I also respect this particular post of yours.
No more words like ‘faggotry’ for me on this MB.
It just causes chaos and hurt feelings for some.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 20, 2009 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Sir
Oh, and despite the anger that caused you to write such things about me, you’ve actually provided me with a pretty cool signature. So that works pretty well for the both of us
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
Frederick0220
by Mets2k9 on Oct 20, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Please understand the lack of seriousness behind that particular post.
Cheers man.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 20, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
no it gave me a good laugh. I found it funny. We good brother
You’re name has 2k9 in it — what are you some 8 year-old who makes Pillsbury Doughboy cookies and jerks off to that bullshit video game with Tim Lincecum on the cover--
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by Mets2k9 on Oct 20, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just it. There IS no deeper meaning.
I’ve seen that particular word used many times all over the internet and in various conversations and in all cases it doesn’t imply anything negative against homosexuals.
It is the same meaning as if someone said “I’m tired of this stuff / garbage / nonsense / bologna / noun / noun / noun”. It is a slang term that has taken on a non specific function.
wobatus above talked about marginalizing groups with words. He’s right, it can be accomplished. What also can be accomplished is the marginalization of words. There are many words, terms, and slang phrases that have come and gone over the centuries. Some have negative connotations and some have positive ones. Some positive ones became negative ones. Some negative ones became positive ones. A perfect example is the word “damn”, once considered to be blasphemous to be spoken. Now, marginalized to the point where even the overly religious pay it no heed.
So is the same thing here. Whatever meaning exists behind the term Fred used can become completely non specific and marginalized by simply eliminating the effect.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 16, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you enjoy typing on a keyboard
you post some long ass comments
by matthewmafa on Oct 16, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't twitter.
An argument can be concise, but sometimes more logic is needed to validate your point.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 16, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but
you realize nobody reads your posts past the first few lines, right?
by richieabernathy on Oct 16, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true, bud.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Says more about them then about me.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 16, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answer
It harms us because there may be, most deffinitely are, some gay posters here. That harms them/ harms us. Its just in poor taste.
by casejud on Oct 16, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's two different things.
Poor taste is a reflection of a personal belief. You have taken on a belief that certain things are just inappropriate to say. Whether that behavior is learned because of an association with the people in question who are effected by the statement or just a general conformist nature, it is still something you have decided.
The reason I asked the question is related to this. Those who are harmed by association are only harmed because they feel they’re supposed to be. The persons who are implied in this particular comment can certainly be harmed by it. But you cannot directly be harmed unless you allow it.
To explain, if someone walked into my house and called my black friend an “n” word, I would feel the same irritation he would because I have been conditioned, by choice, to not accept that word as tolerable speech in my house (or anywhere). The word, however, does not effect me directly at all. Certainly not on the level it would a person whom it is designed to harm.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 16, 2009 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Words
http://www.catholicsocialscientists.org/CSSR/Archival/1996/1996_111.pdf
This is just something i googled up. not especially scientific, but there are countless examples of language being used to marginalize groups of people, to render them sub-human. That wasn’t Fred’s intent, but the casual bandying about of words can have the same effect. This is why it can be so insensitive to others. Someone else on here may have been beaten or taunted in school by people using the same words.
To say it only hurts you if you let it is a cop out. To build an elaborate argument out of that position while calling someone else pretentious for speaking against it is a little hypocritical.
To cal Mr. Kupe fascist because he spoke against it? This is akin to, and excuse the gross hyperbole, nazi’s getting offended that you are inhibiting their speech rights if you complain that they called jews vermin and sub-human.
Wods have been used to marginalize minorities throughout history, and words can lead to acts. I don’t think anyone is thinking Fred had any intention of harming anyone. I think the decent reaction is just to say sorry, didn’t mean to offend and move on.
by wobatus on Oct 16, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your overall point.
That article seems to illustrate my other point, though. The intent of the speaker is more important than anything. The idea behind marginalizing a particular subset of humanity is to do so with a designed purpose. Whether that purpose is to create a sense of nationalism or other form of political control, or a sense of control, the directed attack has meaning.
This is not what Fred did. Even if the word itself has alternative connotations, the context is what gives a word meaning. if I say “I’m going to chop up these fruits”, I could be using several of those words in differing contexts. In this case, the phrase could mean that I’m going to use a knife to slice up some pears or it could mean I’m going to take an axe to one or more homosexuals.
Without intent or context, actions and statements are open to interpretation. If onlookers want to take things in a way that offends them, then how is one person supposed to be responsible for that?
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 16, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
Anyway, words are only 7% of all communication.
It’s your guys’ choice to derive a negative meaning from my words.
There is no angst, hatred, or bigotry in what I say here.
You want to make a concerted effort to assign negative labels, then go ahead.
Be my friend.
It is you, though, who is going to suffer the infliction.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alternative connotations
This is true. Yet the alternative connotation of “faggotry” is is also pejorative. There’s a reason for that.
by wobatus on Oct 16, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, meaning and definition can be personal things.
One man’s garbage is another man’s treasure, and all that.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 16, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, completely fair and objective.
I appreciate the actual objectivity, wobatus, rather than being all like, “that’s rood, bro. ur a badd person.”
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I’ve been called out for similar stuff. Nobody’s perfect. All in context. On yahoo stock message board’s everything is fair game. But when in Rome.
by wobatus on Oct 16, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say something similar to the "free country" comment.
Yes it is. And while this is the internet, this is also someone’s personal blog (in this case John’s). Which means he can establish whatever rules he wants and enforce them as necessary. And if he says “none of that” you’ll do none of that, or suffer the consequences.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 16, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got the attention you seek
It might be more gratifying to get attention for making making an intelligent or provocative argument, but it’s always easier to chose words for shock value.
by Rotofan on Oct 16, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had no idea 'faggotry' was so shocking.
You guys want some shock value — why don’t you head over to 1man1jar.com or octopusgirl.com.
There is no shock value in a word said on the internet in a neutral connotation.
This is getting out of hand.
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*with a neautral connotation
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by Frederick0220 on Oct 16, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Box scores
where can i get AFL box scrores?
by slickterp on Oct 14, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not just box scores!
PFX data! Whee!
Wow, Joshua Fields needs to learn some control.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Oct 14, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lookin forward to seeing Hank King Conger.
Put up good numbers in a AA pitchers park and improved his BB’s and Defense. Hope he can put up some good numbers here and hopefully he’ll start in AAA next year.
First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.
by angelskid2210 on Oct 15, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like that guy a lot.
Doesn’t get enough pub…wonder if he stays at catcher.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Oct 15, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if he defense keeps getting better
I think he will. He threw out almost 30% of runners this past year and called better games for the pitchers. With Soscia as his manager he will become better defensively.
First we had a Salmon and now we have a Trout, let's see the same results.
by angelskid2210 on Oct 15, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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