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Florida Marlins Top 20 Prospects for 2009

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Florida Marlins Top 20 Prospects for 2009

 

All grades are EXTREMELY PRELIMINARY and subject to change. Don’t get too worried about exact rankings at this point, especially once you get out of the top 10. Grade C+/C guys are pretty interchangeable depending on what you are looking for.

 

1) Cameron Maybin, OF, Grade A-: He’s got some flaws, but overall I buy into the notion that he will refine his tools into skills. Just don’t expect him to win batting titles.

2) Logan Morrison, 1B, Grade A-: I think people are underrating his power. In 2009, he’ll put everything together, batting average, OBP, and homers.

3) Matt Dominguez, 3B, Grade B+: Close to an A-, impressive power with stellar glove, but have some concerns about his plate discipline.

4) Mike Stanton, OF, Grade B+: Anyone who likes space race history will love the book comment I wrote about him this year. Could be a superstar, could flail helplessly against Double-A pitching, too soon to rate higher than a B+.

5) Kyle Skipworth, C, Grade B+: At this point, I’m not worried about his rookie ball performance. I believe in the bat and his defense will come along with more experience.

6) Ryan Tucker, RHP, Grade B: He needs another pitch if he wants to start, but the ceiling stands out as excellent.

7) Sean West, LHP, Grade B: Another high ceiling arm, but command problems preclude higher grade at this time.

8) Jose Ceda, RHP, Grade B: Yet another high ceiling arm with command issues. Also has to watch weight.

9) Chris Coghlan, 2B, Grade B-: Nice steady contact hitter, won’t be a star but should have a long career.

10) John Raynor, OF, Grade B-: Fast, draws walks, has some pop, negatives are age and high strikeout rate.

11) Eulogio De La Cruz, RHP, Grade B-: Borderline C+, but I’m giving him credit for surviving Albuquerque where so many others have failed. Good stuff, gets grounders, can he correct command issues?

12) Gaby Sanchez, 1B, Grade C+: Borderline B-, but MLEs show him as a .260/.340/.420 hitter, not great for a first baseman. I do like his plate discipline.

13) Scott Cousins, OF, Grade C+: Has across the board skills, could be a strong fourth outfielder or an average corner guy.

14) Bryan Petersen, OF, Grade C+: Similar to Cousins to some extent, but a year behind him on the development curve. Both are players who deserve more attention.

15) Aaron Thompson, LHP, Grade C+: Could be a C. I don’t like the way his Double-A numbers slipped and I worry about health.

16) Brad Hand, LHP, Grade C+: Young projectable lefty from Minnesota, I wish the Twins had been able to draft him. Will need time but a fresh high school arm worth tracking.

17) Isaac Galloway, OF, Grade C: Tons o’tools, but may be held back by poor plate discipline.

18) Jake Smolinski, 2B, Grade C: Interesting player acquired in Willingham/Olsen deal. Nice left-handed offensive potential, but can’t stay healthy so far.

19) Brett Sinkbeil, RHP, Grade C: Surviving on reputation at this point. I think he is better-suited for relief work than starting. Still has the sinker but just doesn’t dominate.

20) Chris Leroux, RHP, Grade C: Could be a fit in the bullpen sooner than expected, if his command is there.

 

Others: Pete Andrelczyk, RHP; Andrew Battisto, RHP; Blake Brewer, RHP; Brett Carroll, OF; P.J. Dean, RHP; Johnny Dorn, RHP; Paul Gran,3B: Thomas Hickman, OF; Dan Jennings, LHP; Kyle Kaminska, RHP; Zack Kroenke, LHP; Chris Mobley, RHP; Edgar Olmos, LHP;  Graham Taylor, LHP; Dallas Trahern, RHP.

 

As usual, don’t sweat so much about where the Grade C+/C types rank exactly on this list. After I get past the top 10 I don’t worry so much about exact placement, since I’m trying to concentrate on the book right now. Some of the Grade C guys could be C+ in the book, and vice versa.

 

SYSTEM IN BRIEF

    The Marlins have a large group of potential impact players at the top of the system.

     Maybin, Morrison, Dominguez, Stanton, and Skipworth all have the ability to be major league regulars and possible All-Stars. Few teams offer that kind of depth. Stanton is potentially the best of all, but may also has the highest risk right now. Morrison is probably the safest, with the others holding a middle position. I expect that Maybin may disappoint some people in 2009, but if they are patient with him and don’t expect him to hit .300, he will have a very long and productive career. As stated above, I think people are underestimating Morrison’s power potential. Dominguez will be a starter on the strength of his defense and power, but if he’s a star or just a good solid regular will depend on how his discipline develops. Stanton could be a 40-homer guy, maybe more . .or he could be Rob Deer.

     Beyond this group, there are other hitters who should be fine role players or average regulars. . .Coghlan, Sanchez, even Raynor, Cousins, and Peterson have that potential.

     The pitchers are a bit less impressive. There are several very live arms, but they all have command problems and given the attrition rate on pitchers, the Marlins could use more depth here. But most teams could.

     I do note a relative lack of C+ types, but some of the Cs have the potential to move into that category next year.

     Overall, the Marlins are loaded.

 

     Full reports on these players and over 1,000 others can be found in the 2009 Baseball Prospect Book. Pre-order for January 31st shipping now!  

 


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hmmm

i disagree with Dominguez even being a B+. he was in an extreme hitters park which really inflated his numbers.

Home Games 1.014 OPS
Away Games .688 OPS

his defense is great, but i still think there are PLENTY of questions about his bat.

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by doublestix on Jan 9, 2009 1:47 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Morrison

I love the love for Morrison Mr. SIckels , well played. I am a bit suprised Skipworth got a B+ already as he struggled in his limited showing this year but i do think you nailed the high grades for Morrison and Dominguez.

by tulolince on Jan 9, 2009 2:19 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First Basemen

Is this the most talented crop of Minor League first basemen ever? If not it has to be pretty damn close. Lars, Smoak, Morrison, Hosmer, Freeman, Alonso, LaPorta, and Villalona make up a hell of a class. And not just that, but looking at the young 1B in the majors (Davis, Fielder, Miggy, Loney, Votto, Morneau), there is going to be a LOT of talent at the position for a long time.

by brok515 on Jan 9, 2009 11:27 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dominguez over Stanton

Why?

I imagine a major part is Dominguez’s defense, but Stanton is an athletic beast that played some CF. Certainly not projected to stay there, but the guy’s no slouch.

by nny on Jan 9, 2009 3:51 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stanton has

Brandon Wood-esque strikeout problems.

by slurve on Jan 13, 2009 12:04 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How do you rank this system overall?

Some quick hits:

Other teams with two or more A’s:

Rangers have three (one A, two A-)
Giants have two (one A, one A-)
Royals have two A-
Cardinals have two A-

Only three other teams also had 3 B+’s (Orioles, Rays, Braves). No team had as many B+ and A combined

Only 5 other teams had atleast their top 10 being filled with at worst B-‘s (Rangers 10, Braves 13, Royals 12, Red Soxs 13, A’s 15), with Marlins being 11.

by nny on Jan 9, 2009 4:21 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great system

Generally speaking, this is how I’d want an ideal system to be structured (with more depth at the bottom though. 5 B+ or better bats, and then some upside B arms.

by aCone419 on Jan 9, 2009 11:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

I just don’t see it.

I’m fine with an A- for Maybin and can live with the B+ for Stanton but Morrison, Dominguez and Skipworth seem all at least a grade to high. Almost ever rank seems to be based almost purely on projection. Heck even many of the B/B- guys you could argue are to high.

While I’m posting though, I think Sanchez could probably get that B- since he is MLB ready but for the most part I think there is to much missing to give these kinds of grades to some of these players. Id go something like:

1) Cameron Maybin = Grade A-
2) Logan Morrison = B+
3) Mike Stanton = B+
4) Matt Dominguez = B
5) Ryan Tucker = B
6) Sean West = B-
7) Gaby Sanchez = B-
8) Kyle Skipworth = B-
9) Jose Ceda = B-
10) Chris Coghlan = B-

But I’m just not willing to go out on the limb with some of these guys considering the amount of projection still needed to get the grades they got.

by jfish26101 on Jan 9, 2009 4:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Skipworth

Why a B-? You must think he was a horrible draft choice, because his stat line from this year is essentially meaningless.

by aCone419 on Jan 9, 2009 5:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well just look at the comment John gave him, he has a lot of work to do on both sides of the ball. I’m not putting a ton of weight into his 150 some ABs he got in his debut but I’m not going to say they are meaningless. If a player had a good debut, are they meaningless to? It’s only meaningless if the player performs poorly? He had a sub .300 OBP and K’s something like 30% of his ABs in rookie ball. He has plenty of time to be ranked aggressively, it isn’t like a B- is a poor grade necessarily. Several fringe top 100 prospects have gotten B- grades from John already.

by jfish26101 on Jan 9, 2009 5:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

It is meaningless. I really don’t care what a high school hitter does in a complex league the year he was drafted. All of those guys have yet to receive significant professional instruction. Teams generally wait until instructionals to really get into that. So many excellent players have have craptacular debuts that I am surprised that still cares. Just look at Vitters for a comparable example last year.

he has a lot of work to do on both sides of the ball.

This applies to just about everyone drafted out of high school. The point is that his tools stand way out. He has 70 raw power, a good feel for hitting, a good arm, good work ethic, moves well behind the plate. Pretty much everything you can ask for in a high school catching prospect. There is a reason he was the first HS C drafted in the top 10 since Joe Mauer.

Even if Skipworth doesn’t stick at catcher, he is still a great hitting prospect.

Even generally speaking, B- is a incredible pessimistic grade for the 7th overall draft pick, especially one who was predicted to go there. It would very inconsistent with how John has historically graded for him to get a grade so low.

by aCone419 on Jan 9, 2009 6:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So for someone who generally is cautious with his rankings, he shouldn’t get lower than a B+? That makes a ton of sense, thanks for the clarification. ;) I’ll try and remember you can only use a player’s debut when he does well.

by jfish26101 on Jan 9, 2009 10:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybin

Maybin still requires a fair amount of projection…but you’re fine with that A-? Maybe I’m missing your point, but analyzing prospects requires projection in almost every instance.

by FI2 on Jan 10, 2009 2:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybin is MLB ready, Skipworth is not.

Maybin also plays a premium position and can actually handle it with plus range and above average arm. Skipworth may in time be a fine defensive C but he isn’t now.

Maybin certainly has the K problem Skipworth has but his other numbers were better across the board in their debuts.

Maybin debuted with a B on John’s top 20 Tigers pre-season list in 2006 despite superrior production in his debut.

by jfish26101 on Jan 10, 2009 2:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also I understand there is projection in prospecting but I feel he is projecting to much with almost every single player at the top of this list. It isn’t just about projection, if it were then Villalona is a top 10 prospect, Iona is a top 5 prospect, etc. There is plenty of time to rate Skipworth a B+ but for someone who is usually cautious with their rankings, it suprises me seeing what many of these players got.

by jfish26101 on Jan 10, 2009 2:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

Nothing in this post has anything to do with what I wrote. In fact, you are attributing to me things opposite of what I said.

by aCone419 on Jan 11, 2009 6:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like I said in the other thread, you expect BA to go out on the limb for young, toolsy players with almost everything to prove because that is their MO. John on the other hand doesn’t tend to do that which is why I was surprised. When it comes down to it, I think both are overrating the system and some of the players; either they look great for being aggressive with so much projection still needed for those players to become the players they think they can or they will look absolutely horrible. We will see.

by jfish26101 on Jan 14, 2009 5:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

You sure are projecting an awful lot with these grades. To me, almost all of them seem high until you get into the B’s. I’m really surprised with this top 20.

by jfish26101 on Jan 9, 2009 6:47 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jai Miller

He deserves a mention..great Defense and has improved his BB/K ratios at each step

by NYSOX on Jan 9, 2009 8:50 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jai is frustrating

He’s one of those guys who passes the old eyeball test. He looks like he should be a world class power hitter when you see him up close, but he’s incredibly inconsistent and displays very little power. I’ve seen Jai play maybe 30-40 games, and other than looking impressive in a uniform, he’s never done anything to impress me offensively. His defense is pretty solid from what I’ve seen, but I doubt he’ll ever make it out of the minors, unless he makes a lot of changes.

by Cormican on Jan 13, 2009 11:11 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Logan Morrison

What kind of power do you think he will end up having? Why do you give him the benefit of the doubt re: power but not someone like, say Taylor Green? Green’s ISO’s in each of the last 2 years (same league as Morrison both times, hence the choice of comparison) were just a tad behind him. Further to that Green put up better BB rates, K rates and LD rates in both years but that’s more to the topic of how underrated I think Green is (very unlucky babip this year). But anyway, on Morrison, isn’t it far more likely that he ends up a high-average 1bman with just “okay” power?

by jayjay on Jan 9, 2009 9:00 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could it be that Taylor Green is a year older, slugged .443 to Morrison’s .494 and is on the small side at 5’10" 180 compared to Logan’s 6’2" 215.

by The_Godfather on Jan 9, 2009 1:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SLG

Most of the SLG difference was due to Morrison’s higher average (despite his lower LD% and higher K rate). Their ISO’s (163 vs 154) were not that different. No question Morrison’s size gives him more power projection. But is it really that much more? That’s all I’m really asking. I mean the difference in their prospect ratings (A- vs. C+) is huge. And in every other area they seem to be either equal or Green comes out on top. Its the same with Morrison vs. other 1b prospects. What that says to me is John is not just saying he’s going to pick up a little bit of power, but that he’s REALLY going be a power hitter. Just asking why.

by jayjay on Jan 9, 2009 2:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you

Thank you, John for the top 20 series. You got through the whole league while BA still has 2 full divisions to go and BP is not yet at the half way mark – Way to keep baseball going all year long!

by ofsticksandbats on Jan 9, 2009 9:48 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McPherson

I guess McPherson is ineligible? Where would he fit on here if he was eligible?

by rmarx01 on Jan 9, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great list John

I agree with most of them. Dominguez is severely underrated on this forum. I mite drop skipworth to a B, but its nice to see the marlins getting some respect.

by FishHead on Jan 9, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stanton

is the reason we discuss prospects. This guy could be a star or could never play in the Bigs. Obviously 39 bombs as an 18-year-old is ridiculous. He’s already shown production to go along with an impressive set of tools, but maybe it’s too much too soon, meaning he develops bad habits by attempting to reproduce a 39 hr season. I am very intrigued and interested to see what he will do next year. Maybe John will write a controversial prospect piece on him.

by richieabernathy on Jan 9, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wright had 36 homers

in A+/AA one year, and he was two years older than Stanton. Though their profiles weren’t that similar, it is kind of an interesting statistical comparison.

.275/.363/.604, 20, A+
v.
.293/.381/.611, 18, A

I am put more in mind of Ian Stewart’s Sally line:

.319/.398/.594, 19, A

by aCone419 on Jan 9, 2009 5:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Coghlan

I am probably higher on Coghlan than more fantasy owners just cuz I have him in my farm system. I really think they are gonna bring him up this year to start at 2nd. I see him as a solid prospect. I would probably rank him with a B.

Anyone else think he’ll be in the bigs? Or am i just silly?

by reefer on Jan 10, 2009 7:40 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m pretty high on Coghlan myself, all he does is get on base and he has hit wherever he has been. As far as him starting it obviously all depends on the Marlins moving Dan Uggla at the deadline, which I’d put at about 50/50.

by The_Godfather on Jan 10, 2009 5:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Coghlan too. I think he’ll be a Mickey Morandini type player in the bigs. Never a star, but a solid, contributing role player type.

by Cormican on Jan 13, 2009 11:17 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Raynor

Higher than I expected he’d be rated, but at a perfect position with a perfect grade.
And I thought I’d be one of very few B-’s for him.

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by cwhitman412 on Jan 11, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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