he plays for the O’s..Just makes him easier to acquire in the draft though.

in what category has andrew miller or phil hughes been good in? and dominating any one category does not make a star, especially if you’ve got someone who is solid across the board in only his first full season like pelfrey.

obviously i like him a little more than most so you may not buy that 14-18 range but theres a few obvious guys on that list pelfrey is ahead of (miller, buchholz, hughes, jimenez) and a few more that its close (slowey, johnson, cueto)

also it depends how you value prospects…i personally would never take an A baller over a young player who has already had significant success in the majors no matter how high the upside (meaning feliz, bumgarner & porcello)…even guys like cahill and anderson who are closer could end up busting or taking years before they transition to the majors successfully…demonstrating the ability to succeed in the majors is extremely valuable in that some of the best prospects have busted because for whatever reason they just couldn’t handle the major leagues and neither cahill nor anderson is past that stage, like pelfrey is

Definitely an oversight on my part there. Morrow definitely slots in the top 30.

Let me first say that i think your lists are solid. and when you make a list like this you’re putting yourself out there for critisizm. Because its not like I posted comparable lists for scrutiny. I am literally just looking at your lists and cherry picking things i see. So, props to you for taking the time to do this and having the minerals to post it online. Its a damn solid overall list.

I guess i just don’t really understand if these are strictly your future predictions or somewhat based on the numbers for last year. You mention Ubaldo’s walks putting his WHIP through the roof. His WHIP was 1.43. Verlander’s was 1.40. Volquez walked 93 to Ubaldo’s 103. With the walks, Ubaldo still posted a line of .245/.340/.348/.688. WHIP only tells so much of the story. And walks only really hurt you if you’re giving up a lot of home runs. Ubaldo gave up only 11 home run in 34 starts, again, playing half his games in Coors. He was a groundball pitcher last year. He GB/FB was 313/257. I don’t think you can assume that Ubaldo will spend the rest of his career in Colorado. Its not a big market team. And clearly he will be expensive once he starts hitting arbitration and especially free agency.

You say stuff isnt everything. And there is some truth to that statement. But with stuff comes room for error. A guy who doesn’t have great stuff has so little room for error and as such not much room to improve. A guy like Ubaldo on the other hand, with his stuff can be an ace if he normalizes some aspects of his game. Matt Garza, Danks and Johnson will never be aces and as such their ceiling is a #2 just due to their stuff and less room for error.