O's snag some Pie
The O's have dealt Garrett Olsen for Felix Pie.
With an outfield of Pie, Jones and Markakis, things are certainly shaping up quite well in Baltimore.
Not sure why Chicago is so keen on Garrett Olsen, and not sure why other teams were up for dealing for the out-of-favour Pie.
Just because it's asking for more characters in the body of this post, as an aside, my favourite pie is apple.
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wow
great, great deal for the orioles
by gogotabata on Jan 18, 2009 3:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
true
It is a good deal, as Olson has been predicted at a 4th starter potential, while Pie just fell into Lou Pinellas doghouse after a topsy turvy season
by maneatingbaby on Jan 18, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's gonna be...
one hell of a defensive outfield. I’m not all that excited by Pie offensively, but there’s a good chance he’s going to be an average outfielder overall. For Garrett Olson, that’s a steal.
by DrunkIrish on Jan 18, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
interesting
olson was the guy the padres wanted as part of the peavy deal. Pie was out of options and wasn’t going to make the team, so they had to move him. olson will either be the 5th starter or the long guy in the bullpen i think.
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by Trobone on Jan 18, 2009 3:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So Adam Jones is, what, a LF?
I thought he was rated pretty highly defensively in the OF.
Maybe Pie gets pushed to the bench if the O’s can acquire a big bopper to play LF?
by mraver on Jan 18, 2009 3:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd think...
Jones stays in CF (where he was one of the best in baseball last year) and Pie goes to LF.
by DrunkIrish on Jan 18, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
4th OF/Platoon partner for Luke Scott
I think that’s what Pie is this year.
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by Boxkutter on Jan 18, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Luke Scott
Why won’t he DH? He’s a pretty decent corner outfielder in his own right, defensively, but Pie has to be the one you’d prefer out there.
by DrunkIrish on Jan 18, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
at the very least...
the Orioles will have a young team in 2009 with Pie, Jones, Markakis, Weiters, etc. Should be decent or at least interesting to watch
by loop on Jan 18, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Matusz might make a debut as well.
And Roberts is already a fun player to watch.
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by Wonko on Jan 18, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good deal
for O’s, although worth noting they included Henry Williamson in the deal along with Olson, who could be worth something down the road. Good K/BB splits and with a decent GA/AO.
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by Yakker on Jan 18, 2009 4:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
still a great deal
even though it doesn’t really fulfill a need for Baltimore. They need inning eaters like Olson more than more OFs, but still more likely than not this will look like a win for them down the line.
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by The Congo Hammer on Jan 18, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why does a team with no chance of winning the division need innings eaters more than young, cheap outfield talent?
Pie may never fulfill his potential, but if he can be even mediocre with the bat he’s an asset because of his defense. Good bullpen arms are nice to have but they’re easy to find, too.
by acblue on Jan 18, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wash
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but Pie doesn’t do much for me.
Check out his range factors in the majors. I’m not saying RF is the end-all number — and it’s flawed in some ways — but Pie doesn’t appear to be insanely rangy.
Still, it’s only Garrett Olson.
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by criminal type on Jan 18, 2009 5:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So a few years ago the Cubs traded Corey Patterson to Baltimore
And now they trade Pie to Baltimore. I’m not surprised.
This looks like a precursor to a Peavy deal to me. I don’t think the Cubs want or need Olson. I think they’re acquiring pieces here.
This won’t end up much of a deal for Baltimore, because Pie is never going to develop into an everyday player. It might end up something for the Cubs if it gets them Peavy.
by thejd44 on Jan 18, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Have you
ever seen Pie and Patterson together? Are you sure they aren’t the same person?
by MickS on Jan 18, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They're actually not totally similar as players
Pie could actually get on base in the minors. They just both have huge holes in their swings, are both highly-touted Cubs CF prospects, and both are going to end up being marginal players.
by thejd44 on Jan 18, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
“Learn from the mistake of the past”
In relation to baseball players, the above quote couldn’t be more wrong. I’m willing to bet that Pie doesn’t take that same career path as Patterson.
by maneatingbaby on Jan 18, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right
Patterson was a decent starter for a couple years. Pie probably never will be even that – at least not with the bat.
by thejd44 on Jan 22, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now What?
What happens to Nolan Reimold ?? Will he be traded, or left back in the minors? He’s getting kind of old to be a top prospect with this new/young group of outfielders.
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by millerhugs on Jan 18, 2009 9:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Reimold shouldn't stop you from exploring other options
He’s a month older than Markakis and has never even seen Triple-A.
by aap212 on Jan 19, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reimold
He can always be the DH after Scott leaves.
by maneatingbaby on Jan 18, 2009 9:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Olson
is an interesting arm. He’s always been one of those well liked guys who managed not to get overhyped. That’s gotta be a good sign.
Plus, I doubt we’re keeping him.
Pie is…well I’ll live.
by SenorGato on Jan 18, 2009 9:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
How people could possible evaluate Felix Pie’s chances if Corey Patterson had come up with, say, the Mariners instead of the Cubs.
by gogotabata on Jan 18, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As a Cubs fan and growing up in MD
I love this deal for the Cubs, don’t like this for the Orioles.
For the Cubs – No role for Pie. He wasn’t going to make the roster and another year of AAA wasn’t going to do anything for his value. This is dumping a guy that wasn’t in any plans anymore. Now, I’m still a believer that Pie might be a decent starting OF, and I always thought he was overhyped. That said, he’s got no role. Olson offers us an arm that we can either spin in another deal (Peavy) or utilize ourselves. Garrett looks and feels like your typical mid-end of the rotation lefty. What this move does is open up options for us if we can’t make another pitching deal. Pinella prefers a 2nd lefty, so he could go with Marshall or Olson as the starter, and the other one utilized as a swing/pen arm.
For the Orioles – Why? I don’t get it. They need pitching. A lot of people seem to be assuming that the Matusz/Arrieta/Tillman trio will be good. I think if 2 of them hit as good starters, the Orioles should be ridiculously happy. Even then, they have Reimold and others that they can work into LF. Moreover, the Orioles lack ready arms right now. Why not see if Olson pans out? I doubt he loses that much value if he struggles in the early goings of 2009. Not saying it’s a bad value deal, but I just don’t get the purpose of the deal for Baltimore.
by toonsterwu on Jan 18, 2009 11:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
O's looking long term
While its no garuntee that Matusz, Arrieta, and Tillman will all work out, the O’s have a ton of starting pitching in the minors. There is also Brandon Erbe, Brad Bergeson, David Hernandez, and Troy Patton just to name a few (there alot more that are much further away). There is a chance one or two of them could also make an impact in the future. In the short term, this move doesn’t make much sense. The O’s rotation is a mess right now. But I think this move was made looking at the bigger picture. Olson’s ceiling seems to be a #3 starter, while Pie’s is an all star outfielder (not saying either will do that, but it’s the best case scenario). I’m guessing MacPhail thought it was worth the risk, given the O’s strength of pitching prospects.
by edsachs1 on Jan 23, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The O's didn't need Olsen
The O’s are chock full of young kids who can put up a 6+ ERA. I think Olsen will benefit from the move to the NL (not sure how his bat will play), except the pressure of playing for the Cubs may just ruin him. But he’s a lefty so he’ll find work after Chicago.
The Orioles didn’t need Pie but are willing to take a flyer because of the high potential upside. Pie/Jones/Markakis could be a historically great OF, if AJ continues to progress with the bat and Pie follows.
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by CoachOfEarl on Jan 26, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Out of options
For those of you who were unaware, Pie was out of options. And with Soriano, Fukodome, Reed Johnson, Bradley and Joey Gathright all ready on the team, Pie had not spot. So it was basically trade him for something or lose him on waivers. And I promise you plenty of teams would have claimed him on waivers.
If this is a precursor to acquiring Peavy, it’s a great deal. At worst, the Cubs have a guy who could start at the MLB level who they can have ready at AAA. And anyone who follows the Cubs minors knows their upper level pitching is EXTREMELY thin. So at least they turned a guy they couldn’t keep into insurance.
From the O’s perspective, great trade. Pie could still turn into a very good player. I’ve seen him play defense for the Cubs over the last couple of years and he’s an excellent defender. He’s definitely GG caliber. And he’s got a nice speed/power combo going on, if he can put it all together. And to be fair to the guy, outside of some struggles his first year in the big leagues, he’s hardly gotten much time to put it together.
The O’s are in position to let him take his lumps and hopefully mature as a ball player.
I see this trade as a win-win, especially if the Cubs can turn it into Peavy.
by joltinjoe on Jan 19, 2009 2:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Forshawdowing Peavy trade?
Pie was supposed to go to Baltimore so the Padres could get a Baltimore pitcher as part of the Vitters bounty for Peavy… Hmmm….
by pffriberg on Jan 19, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
at the end of the day
it’ll come down to new ownership’s decision. Either way, I still like the trade for the Cubs. Seems a lot of people are ready to call it a day for Olson but not for Pie. I don’t understand why, but either way, Pie wasn’t in our near future plans, and we’re in a win now mode for 2009.
by toonsterwu on Jan 19, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
There was a lot of rumors last year about the mental make-up of Pie. Some of the things I was reading was that he was enjoying way too much of the Chicago night life rather than focusing on baseball which was a big reason he fell out of favor with Pinella.
The behavioral issues are why he was not even sent back to AAA but back to some league had to ride a bus on for few weeks because Pinella was so ticked off.
Chicago does not have the time to try to let a potential “star” work out their issues as the pressure to win in Chicago gets worse every year. There is no room for projects on this roster right now – everyone has to have a role and be able to be counted on every day. Pie is not that player right now so the Cubs got something instead of nothing.
They are in a similar situation with Rich Hill now too so my guess is he will be the next name talked about out of failed Cubs prospects who get a chance to resurrect their careers.
by slickwdb on Jan 19, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My guess
is that Cedeno will be able to net some return. Not sure Hill is. I mean … as nice as finding a lefty is, the low 90’s/high 80’s fastball with a plus breaking ball isn’t exactly the a scarce quantity, and considering his gigantic control issues and makeup concerns, along with mechanical issues, well, I just wonder if he’s headed for the waiver wire.
by toonsterwu on Jan 19, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like pie
Olson is marginal at worse…great pick up by Baltimore
by mojoled on Jan 23, 2009 12:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pie
He was in the wrong organization to learn plate discipline. The guy oozes talent, but he just looked lost at the plate during his time in the majors. The guy had turned into a guess hitter. That’s a bad sign, to me. He was a very good defensive OF and had a good arm, but at the plate, I just don’t see him hitting enough to be even an average hitter for CF.
Moreover, the Cubs have never done a particularly good job teaching its prospects anything resembling strike zone judgment. Soto is the exception to the rule. Pie wasn’t going to pull a Jose Reyes and suddenly learn how to lay off bad pitches.
In Baltimore, perhaps he’ll have a chance to do that.
by Outshined_One on Jan 25, 2009 1:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Crowley is a very well-regarded hitting coach
He could have a very positive impact on him.
by Birdfan01 on Jan 27, 2009 3:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well-regarded means nothing
When you consistently pump out terrible products.
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by Baltimo on Jan 27, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please go say that over at Camden Chat
I dare you
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by Reddrummer9187 on Jan 27, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking to me or Baltimo?
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by Birdfan01 on Jan 27, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fairly sure
He was addressing your comment. Not many of us believe in the Crow.
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by Baltimo on Jan 28, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but please
just say this over at camden chat, it will spark an interesting conversation and you will find out why
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by Reddrummer9187 on Jan 28, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was addressing Birdfan
And i am with Birdfan because he does not stress much discipline. Granted i think hitting coaches really dont do much once a player reaches this level. To almost quote John Madden, there comes a time when you are the hitter that you are.
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by Reddrummer9187 on Jan 28, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't stress much discipline with the bottle either
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