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Is this the real Daric Barton?

Daric Barton has been on fire as of late. Over his last 13 games he has hit .386 with a .454 obs 1 2b, 1 3b, 4 hr and 11 rbi. Has he finally turned the corner and made the proper adjustments/gained health? Or is this just a fluke? I know its only a few games but it has to count for something right? As you can see all i have is questions...

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This is an interesting topic. Barton has no doubt had a TERRIBLE year but I am personally a fan of his and am happy to see him put together this streak. He is still young enough to get his career back on track and people tend to give up on players like him too quickly. Sometimes kids just have a terrible first full season in the big leagues. I remember when Robin Ventura came up he had a horrible first season but he definitely turned it around and had a productive career. I could see that happening here. Personally, I still see him becoming a hitter in the Mark Grace mold who can hit .300 with 15 HR and a tonne of doubles. Hopefully a final hot September can boost his confidence going into spring training and perhaps he can get into some winter ball. I still expect him to have a very productive career.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 5, 2008 9:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

obvious answer

somewhere in between. He isn’t as bad as he’s shown this year, and is certainly not going to be a 386/454/550 guy.

My guess is 300/390/440, which is pretty solid

by ScottAZ on Sep 5, 2008 12:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

Couple that with the very good D he’s flashed this year and you’ve got a top 10 player, maybe top 5.

I think those numbers are a hair optimistic, though certainly attainable for him.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 5, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top 5 or 10?

That may make him a Top 10 first baseman… but he would still be a LONG way off from a Top 10 player in all of baseball.

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by Boxkutter on Sep 5, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

386/454/550 would be (;

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by mikeA on Sep 5, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

Yeah, obviously I meant top 10 first baseman.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 5, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

You think that with a .300/.390/.440 projection (actually, I’m more positive on him than you are), he’d be a top-10 1B? Even with very good defense, that doesn’t sound right to me at all.

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by OldProspects on Sep 7, 2008 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's essentially 2007 Kevin Youkilis

According to BPro, Youkilis was 22 runs above average with the bat that year. Assuming the aforementioned good D, Barton would be 5-10 additional runs above average. We’d still have to adjust for position, so he’d come out 17-22 runs above an average 1B.

Damn straight that’s top 10 in the league.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 7, 2008 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

Being 10th in a 14 team league isn’t that impressive.

Also, in 2007 the average 1B hit .283/.369/.490 in MLB. So even with a plus glove, Daric still isn’t an average 1B to me.

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by WayneCampbell08 on Sep 8, 2008 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, based on that 2007 number

If Barton was .300/.390/.440 he would certainly be above average offensively. 21 points in OBP Is more significant than 50 points of SLG.

by thejd44 on Sep 8, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant top 10 in MLB...

I have no clue where you are generating that batting line, but it’s not what first basemen hit last season. The actual line was .276/.357/.463, and it’s trivially obvious that the hypothetical Barton line is better than that.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 8, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If only it was as obvious what trivially obvious means

If you’re going to be pompous, at least use phrases that mean something.

Otherwise, I generally agree with your argument

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by OldProspects on Sep 9, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think

anyone is asking for .386 from anyone, i was just referring to him hitting for the first time all season. I would love for him to put up the numbers you put up. .386 would be nice to tho

by tmt85 on Sep 5, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly what happened to ignite him?

Why exactly has he had a torrid September? Before this skid, he was statistically the worst offensive player in the bigs before this stretch.

More to the point, what was it before this that made him so horrible from April through August? Some say it was a wrist injury that never really healed. If that’s the case, my next question is: Why, after grinding out a season at age 22 (now 23), did it all of a sudden heal? I don’t buy the wrist explanation, yet I don’t have a better answer.

With his track record of plate discipline combined with his quick hands, I have a feeling he’s a minor adjustment away from clicking. Whether it’s closing his stance, shifting his position in the box, lowering his hands, or a timing and rythem issue, again, I don’t know. That’s up to Bob Geren, Ty Van Burkleo & co. to decide.

I see him having a stretch as a .290-.300 guy, 17-22 HR (nine so far despite a putrid five months), 35 doubles, 85-95 RBI, .380, .440 guy. The important things to remember are that he’s only 23, and he’s been in the league for less than a year. In addition to the aforementioned questions, the real wild cards are: With Chavez and his dead arm returning, will Barton have to figure things out in Sacramento in 2009, and if not, how long will Oakland wait before giving Doolittle and Carter a look?

Chavez, as costly as he will be (11+ mil. in ‘09), isn’t in the team’s future. Barton might be, so I’d extend his leash until one of the prospects, probably Doolittle, forces Oakland’s hand. A best case scenario has Carter learning third base and Doolittle blowing down the door, splitting time with Barton between DH & first. One can only hope.

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by RyanFromBonas on Sep 6, 2008 2:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've watched him all year (and so have a few others who post here, so I'm sure they can back me up)

At the beginning of the year, probably during a spring training game or one of the Japan games, I commented how Barton waited back on a pitch longer than anybody I had seen. He wasn’t swinging late, but his hands were so quick he could let a ball get way, way deep on him and still make good contact (and even pull the ball). This explains his entire profile, I think. Lots of walks (more time to decide if a pitch is a strike), not as many Ks as typical high-walk players (because he was making lots of contact). Not a ton of home run power (he’s quick and strong, but you’re not going to hit 35 homers with his approach if you’re a human being).

That’s what I said about him at the very beginning of the season.

At various points during the year he was taking everything. Then he was swinging at every first pitch. Then he looked incapable of recognizing a breaking pitch. My guess is he struggled a little bit early, probably just typical rookie struggling once a scouting report is developed, and he tinkered too much. Instead of just making an adjustment here or there, he was trying to do too much and when one extreme wouldn’t work he’d try another. To say everything has been wrong this year is truly accurate, because he’s demonstrated every possible flaw and/or hitting style at some point. Long swing, short swing, trying to go the opposite way, trying to pull everything. For as frustrated as it was watching a clearly talented guy struggle, I’m sure he was going crazy trying to figure out what was wrong (when, really, I believe thinking something was “wrong” was the only real problem).

After all that, I think he’s finally back to Daric being Daric. He’s swinging the bat like the guy I saw hit last year. Tonight he walked 3 times, and though his walk rate has remained good all year, it’s not as good as I would’ve expected. He just seems to be back to his old self.

As for the wrist, here’s my speculation: I don’t think he’s been hurt, per se. This isn’t a typical Oakland issue like with Eric Chavez (where he abused his shoulder until he was pretty much useless). For those who haven’t ever suffered an injury, it’s hard to explain, but there’s a point post-injury where you’re not hurt. You feel physically fine. But something just isn’t right. I don’t think Barton was in pain all year, because that would’ve leaked by now. But I do think it just took a while for the wrist to feel like it should. It’s late and this paragraph is probably more convoluted than it should be, so I hope I got that point across.

by thejd44 on Sep 6, 2008 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice post

I agree with everything you’ve said, his adjustments have been extreme and very visible. I remember when I first started watching him in Stockton and I got the impression that he was the best practice hitter in the league. In other words if you give everybody 40 ABs a day, Barton would be among the best of the best. Maybe his rhythm would be better suited to being a cricket player. he always seemed like his issue was making use of those four ABs a game when he wanted to hit for hours and hours on end. I believe in his hitting skills, I still think that it is unclear whether he figures out how to do it over the course of a whole season.

by jakarta on Sep 6, 2008 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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