OT: Matt Millen is finally fired!
Perhaps one of the most unexpected firings occured in the NFL today. Matt Millen was finally relieved of his duties as team president and CEO. The Lions under his tenure went a league worst 31-84 since he took the position in the Lions front office in 2001. This is a move that has been wide spread since the days he took three wide receivers in back to back to back drafts. Perhaps the only person who didn't want him fired was William Ford, the Lions owner.
So I ask these two questions:
1. Lions fans, Millen was definitely one part of the problem for the Lions, but how long will it take for the Lions ship to right itself?
2. Has there been any other executive more deserving of his dismissal then Millen, other the Isiah Thomas, former CEO of the NY Knicks?
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Huh
I’m surprised it took this long. Being a Bear fan, I’ve followed this a bit. I think they can have a pretty good team within a few years. Johnson and Williams are two guys that can carry an offense if the rest of the pieces are merely adequate. A couple of defense-heavy drafts and a few signings to shore up the offense and an NFL team can turn things around relatively quickly these days.
by slurve on Sep 24, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Those are two very good players, but you don’t want your first two big pieces in a rebuilding project to be wide receivers.
by aap212 on Sep 24, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
If I’m going to rebuild a team, I agree, you don’t start by going out and getting WR’s – the difference here is they already have those – so you are free to attack other areas. Those two are homerun hitters – they can score a TD on any given play, so you get by with a so-so cast around them, just make sure your QB isn’t knocked on his ass constantly and keep them honest with a so-so running game is all you really have to do on the offensive side of the ball – which let’s you go about solving your defense.
by slurve on Sep 24, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Williams
Is in a contract year. So unless they franchise tag him, word is that he wants to leave. He is very unappy with his role now that Martz is gone and he wants to get paid.
Go Pirates!!!
by cool hand Charlie on Sep 25, 2008 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Williams
Roy is a free agent at the end of they year. I guess the Lions could franchise him, but he’s not really worth it.
Ernie Sims is phenomenal on defense, but everyone else around him is bad. Slurve is right about the need for some defense-heavy drafts.
by SBcaptain2 on Sep 24, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Roy Williams
I’m sure Dallas would be more than happy to ship them their version of Roy Williams. He’d fit right in.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Sep 24, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
give me millen
anytime running my franchise over kevin mchale….if you haven’t noticed what this baffoon has done, you’re seriously blinded by the media….a ranking of nba owners after the 2006-2007 season ranked mchale as the worst gm in the nba by a HUGE margin over isaiah and others…..
millen was terrible, no doubt, but at least his owner wised up….
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Sep 24, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps...
McHale is definitely a pretty lousy GM, I agree with that because he basically gift wrapped KG last year, and has done diddly squat to improve his team. However, ask anyone in NY about Isiah Thomas and they will just shake their heads. To go from being called a hall of fame player to a failure and ridiculed by everyone. He not only was a bad GM who kept trading expiring contracts for players who had bloated contracts and weren’t team players, he helped dismantle the Knicks franchise via his sexual harassment trial which brought down everyone at the Garden, the Larry Brown fiasco and his falling out with Marbury and the rest of the organization. The Knicks spend like the Yankees, but play like the Mariners.
by MartyMcFly on Sep 24, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
east coast
obviously because of general sports east coast bias, little of what mchale has done is well known….he basically walked into a team that had a load of expiring contracts, a stud franchise player, and good pieces, if not trade chips….but he and glen taylor gave up draft picks to talk with joe smith (who they didn’t even sign then that season), spent max contracts on guys like marko jaric (and gave up two first rounders and sam cassell to acquire him as well), and drafted terribly…..granted the team won, and even had one year where mchale grabbed a duo of hot-head minor stars to go along with kg and made the conference finals, but their winning was more about what was there before mchale arrived than who he brought in….the team had two holes when mchale started with the team, a big defensive-minded center and a playmaking point guard…..he’s still with the team, and the team still needs both of those things, despite opportunities over the years to trade for guys like jason kidd or to draft guys to fill those spots left and right, the team is basically full of undersized two guards and slasher threes….and two defensively-deficient, high scoring inside men now…..
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Sep 25, 2008 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...Dave Littlefield
I feel like this might be an opportune time for somebody to start a worst GM’s of all-time thread.
by jseiner on Sep 24, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best part of Isiah...
After he was a player and before he was with the Knicks, he bankrupted a whole league. The CBA no longer exists because of his poor management, and yet the Knicks put him in charge of their team.
by aap212 on Sep 24, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we get him to commish the WNBA?
That way within 3 years we won’t have to be tortured by it anymore either?
Also, I agree that McHale is probably the worst front office man that needs to go now.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
by Boxkutter on Sep 24, 2008 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
answers
question 1. ummm, it’s the lions.
question 2. yes, his name is al davis and he resides in oakland.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Sep 24, 2008 11:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
point #2
Al Davis is crazy but its kind of hard to fire the owner
by nms on Sep 25, 2008 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i understand he’s the owner. point is he should step down.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Sep 25, 2008 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Beane
I'll warm up with you anytime
by ufoboy90 on Sep 25, 2008 1:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Allard Baird
I win, you lose. Game over.
Never a worse executive. Ever. Period.
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by doublestix on Sep 25, 2008 3:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You guys don't seem to grasp the situation
From ‘97-’00, the Lions had 3 winning seasons and made 2 playoff appearances; not the stuff of legend, but not terrible. Matt Millen was hired as President/CEO/GM on January 9, 2001. He cleaned house, and the Lions lost their next 12 games.
The millisecond Steve Mariucci was available, he fired Marty Mornhinweg and gave Mooch a gazillion dollar contract. He then fired Mariucci half way (2 1/2 years out of 5) through his contract.
Next he hired “defensive specialist” Rod Marinelli; last year, they allowed 444 points, most in the league and one of only 5 teams to allow more than 400. This year they are one of only 2 teams to allow over 100 points (3 games in!), and have trailed by scores of 21-0, 21-0, and 21-3.
The high point of the Millen years was last season as it was the first time since he’d been there that they didn’t lose at least 10 games; they were 7-9. At one point, they went 3 entire seasons without a road win, and have never won more than 3 on the road in one year. They have also never won more than 5 games at home, and have a winning home record in only 2 seasons.
The thing is, all of this happened while he had complete, 100% control; the only other person who can share any of the blame at all is Bill Ford Sr., because he wouldn’t fire Millen.
In short, he never made a single good decision, and most of his decisions were bad/terrible. But all of that said, yea, Isiah was worse.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Sep 25, 2008 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and mchale was worse yet
;)
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Sep 25, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please.
McHale has been VP of Basketball Operations since ’95. They made the playoffs 8 straight seasons from ’96-97 til ’03-04. The best winning percentage they had before McHale showed up was .354; only his first (.317) and last (.268) seasons are worse than that, and both are at least as good as the 2nd best season before he was hired.
Millen inherited a team that had 2 losing seasons in the previous 8, and turned them into a laughingstock. Since he was hired in ‘01, they’ve finished with the 2nd worst record in the league 3 times in 7 years, and are 0-3 this year. Meanwhile, they have the 3rd oldest roster in the league, so there is no hope going forward.
McHale doesn’t even compare. Even if you only focus on the time since Millen was hired by Detroit, McHale’s teams have 3 playoff appearances and 4 winning seasons, which is 3 more playoffs and 4 more winning seasons than the Lions in that time.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Sep 25, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
once again
you need to look beyond what the record was….he was gifted a franchise player and some very nice pieces to come into….to not make the playoffs would put him on the scale of worst sports executives of all time….not just recent memory….
look beyond the records, please….look at the post above regarding his record….
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Sep 25, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
he was gifted a franchise player
From the Wiki:
The next season McHale made the decision to draft high school phenom forward Kevin Garnett with the fifth overall pick of the 1995 NBA Draft.
In ’95, taking a HS player was a huge risk; from his Wiki:
Garnett was drafted with the fifth pick of the 1995 NBA Draft by the struggling Minnesota Timberwolves, and became the first player to be drafted directly out of high school since Moses Malone in 1974.
So "gifted’? It sure looked like a huge risk at the time.
some very nice pieces to come into
The ’95-96 TWolves included such “nice players” as no-time All-Star Isiah Rider and one-time All-Star Chrisian Laettner as the leading scorers; Terry Porter was the only 2-time All-Star on the roster, and his best days were behind him. The entire team, minus Garnett, appeared in 4 All-Star games ever. Who were all of these “nice pieces”?
The Timberwolves, under McHale, went from a joke to a perennial winner. The Lions, under Millen, went from a winner to a joke in 1 season. Despite what you, in your fanboyism, think, there’s no comparison.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Sep 26, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh...
Remember, that’s wiki, it’s not fact. And the drafting of Garnett being risky is all opinion. I remember the hyear he got drafted quite well. I turned 18 the year before so knowing there would now be a millionaire NBA Player younger than me was quite shocking. Everyone who saw tape of Garnett could easily see that he was a very, very skilled player. There was a big deal made back then with ESPN and that old Saturday morning NBA show that was hosted by Ahmad Rashad and Willow something (forgot the name of the show) about MInny taking a high schooler… but not because it was risky so much. It was just something new. There had been a handful of NBA players before who never played college ball (Shawn Kemp went to college for a semester but didn’t play and then declared for the draft) but the wiki is correct that Garnett was the first player since Malone to go directly to the NBA.
With all that said though, I still think Millen was far worse than McHale. But McHale is one of the worst currently still running a team.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
by Boxkutter on Sep 26, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
um....point of contention...
you forget tom gugliotta, who had a brilliant all-around career tragically cut short by injury…he was EXTREMELY underrated in the league at the time, but he did everything as a point-4 often on the court….and sam mitchell, who was never a superstar, but had great veteran leadership, and the guy who garnett once said could grab him by the ears, scream in his face, and he’d listen….terry porter and spud webb combo’d at the point, which wasn’t a superstar tandem, but it was two veterans who’d been deep in the playoffs plenty between them….add in rider and laettner, who were both headcases, but still solid ball players, and you had a solid rotation of guys….
“The Timberwolves, under McHale, went from a joke to a perennial winner.”
you wrote incorrectly….it should have read… “the timberwolves, under saunders, went from a joke to a perennial winner”
saunders reportedly had his say only once in drafting, and that was when he insisted on wally szczerbiak to replace the fiasco of trading away ray allen his first draft as a coach….saunders LOVED allen, and reports were that he and mchale went into a rift that never fully healed after allen was dealt for starbury…
just look at the gems that mchale drafted other than garnett (who was reportedly glen taylor’s pick, not mchale’s, as well because taylor wanted a big ticket draw-also reportedly where garnett initially became ‘big ticket’-his first full year as owner)….
1995 – garnett
1996 – ray allen (traded for starbury)
1997 – paul grant
1998 – rasho nesterovic
1999 – wally szczerbiak, will avery (seriously!)
2000-2002 – no first rounder because of joe smith
2003 – ndudi ebi
2004 – no first rounder because of joe smith
2005 – rashad mccants
2006 – brandon roy (traded for randy foye)
2007 – corey brewer
2008 – oj mayo (traded for kevin love)
that wouldn’t be so bad, except that mchale constantly swung and missed on great players that were “need” players at the time, like: bobby jackson (hometown boy no less!), ron artest, josh howard, danny granger, jarrett jack, ryan gomes (who he did eventually acquire in the KG deal after media tore him up for not drafting him on draft night), and rudy gay (actually, roy was the perfect pick for the team, but he traded him away as well)
his trades weren’t much better….and giving huge contracts to guys like marko jaric, stojko vrankovic, stanley roberts, terrell brandon, troy hudson, mark madsen, and mike james have humstrung the organization….
but really, it all boils down to the joe smith fiasco….something that surely mchale doesn’t deserve full blame for, but he was certainly in favor of the deal
the last two years look better since fred hoiberg was hired, and taylor intentionally put him in charge of a lot of the basketball operations….mchale’s the final decision now, but he’s got someone else laying the groundwork for him…..hoiberg reportedly brokered a majority of the kg-to-boston deal, including insisting on two first rounders involved in the deal on top of the players….he also was the primary on the deal with houston to move gerald green, which looks to be a great deal now….
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Sep 26, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
you forget tom gugliotta, who had a brilliant all-around career tragically cut short by injury
No, I didn’t. His “brilliant all-around career” netted him one of the 4 All-Star appearances on the list.
sam mitchell
Was acquired by McHale.
spud webb
Was acquired by McHale; played 4 games after that ’95-96 season.
but really, it all boils down to the joe smith fiasco….something that surely mchale doesn’t deserve full blame for, but he was certainly in favor of the deal
So the biggest mark against him “mchale doesn’t deserve full blame for”, yet you want to label him the worst GM ever?
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Sep 26, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This argument...
is like the Bizarro version of DiMaggio or Williams.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
by Boxkutter on Sep 26, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sam mitchell
was an original timberwolf….mchale didn’t acquire crap….mitchell wanted back and had his agent contact the team when he became a free agent…mitchell wanted badly to coach the team, but mchale passed him over for consideration twice now….
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
by biggentleben on Sep 27, 2008 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's with Detroit and crappy execs?
Randy Smith and Matt Millen in the span of 10 years is too much for a city to handle…
by demondeaconsbaseball on Sep 25, 2008 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the guy before Millen wasn't too good
either from what I remember.
At least they can win in basketball and hockey
by nms on Sep 25, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Don’t remind me… the one sport I hate (basketball) and the team I despise (the Dead Wings)…
by demondeaconsbaseball on Sep 25, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's Go Red Wings!
How about this snippet from SportingNews regarding the Red Wings:
“This is the best team ever constructed under the restrictions of a salary cap in any sport. Period.”
by SBcaptain2 on Sep 26, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt about it.
The way this team does business is absolutely mind boggling. Every year they lose nothing and add a premier talent. I wish my Habs could follow the same blueprint.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Sep 26, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree - no doubt
When players will take a below market value contract just to play for you, it says alot.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Sep 26, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by OldProspects on Sep 25, 2008 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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