BA California League Top 20
by Brett Keith on Sep 24, 2008 5:50 PM EDT
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Print1 - Trevor Cahill
2 - Carlos Santana
3 - Lars Anderson
4 - Brett Anderson
5 - Jhoulys Chacin
6 - Tim Alderson
7 - Pablo Sandoval
8 - Josh Reddick
9 - Henry Rodriguez
10 - Cedric Hunter
11 - Julio Borbon
12 - Jordan Walden
13 - Greg Halman
14 - Chris Carter
15 - Carlos Triunfel
16 - Sean Doolittle
17 - Peter Bourjos
18 - Sean O'Sullivan
19 - Josh Donaldson
20 - Kellen Kulbacki
Now remember, these lists lean more towards performance than other BA lists, and rankings are in context of the league. NOW you can start whining.
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jeez
Carlos Santana over Lars is a joke. Lars is the next white Big Papi.
shouldnt
we wait till he slugs over .500 somewhere besides lancaster (his luck adjusted slg in AA was below .500 as well) before we anoint him the next ortiz?
Wait...What?
We should wait till he slugs over .500 somewhere other than Lancaster? Ok, done waiting, he did it in AA Portland. Oh, but it doesn’t count because of his his luck adjusted numbers! Damn, so close.
"I hate the people that love me, and they hate me!"
your right
he is very likely to sustain that .432 BABIP going forward, my mistake
the fact that his BABIP
was so high is in NO way a bad thing.
Sure it might not stay that high going forward but it is an undeniable mark of hitting talent
sure
but his LD% was ~19.5%, meaing his eBABIP would be .315
even the luck adjusted #’s peg his BABIP at .365, and that drops his slg to .477
and a .432 BABIP is not an undeniable mark of hitting talent, a BABIP that ridiculously high is a mark of good luck. not even the best hitters in the majors of career BABIP that high
My Point...
Has nothing to do with Anderson, and everything to do with what you said not making sense.
"I hate the people that love me, and they hate me!"
what
doesnt make sense? adjusting a players numbers based on a huge BABIP that he wont be able to replicate or comparing lars anderson to david ortiz ?
What Doesn't Make Sense...
is saying to wait till a player slugs .500 somewhere other than Lancaster, knowing full well that the player DID slug .500 somewhere other than Lancaster, but basically saying it doesn’t count because he was “lucky”. If you want him to slug .500, luck adjusted, say that.
"I hate the people that love me, and they hate me!"
i did
say it, i just put it in parenthesis
No...
You said we should wait till he slugs over .500 somewhere other than Lancaster, not saying anything about the numbers being adjusted. Then you happened to mention that his luck adjusted SLG% at AA was below .500.
"I hate the people that love me, and they hate me!"
ease up guys
Getting a little bogged down on this point.
Anyway, he mentioned the luck adjusted in a parenthetical in the same post right after bringing up slugging 500 away from lancaster. Not like he tricked people into giving an answer and then sprung the new condition on them.
we
can get into semantical arguments all we want, but i certainly qualified the .500 slg% with the adjusted numbers originally.
still not as nonsensical as comparing him to david ortiz
Its not a joke.
The position is a HUGE difference. A catcher on the defensive spectrum is miles away from a 1st Baseman. Lars is a good prospect, they are ONE spot away from each other. But if you think a power hitting catcher isn’t more valuable then a power hitting first baseman (even if the bat is better, which is debatable) your crazy.
Remember: baseball guys... baseball...
+1
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by knockoutking on Sep 25, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm i thought the Cal league lists came out tomorrow
California League Sept. 25
Carolina League Sept. 26
Florida State League Sept. 29
Eastern League Sept. 30
Southern League Oct. 1
Texas League Oct. 2
International League Oct. 3
Pacific Coast League Oct. 6
Independent Leagues Oct. 7
I Got The Issue With All The Lists Yesterday
So it came out today via me.
"I hate the people that love me, and they hate me!"
I'm
suprised to see Santana over Anderson, but I guess Santana is more of a positional value thing. Catchers with his offensive upside are pretty rare. I’m also suprised to see Chris Carter so low, with Henry Rodriguez rated so high (and above Carter).
The position of Rodriguez is quite ridiculous
as is that of Carter, for that matter. 39 HR and he’s 14th in the league? Behind Julio frickin’ Borbon? You’ve got to be kidding me.
They sure do love them some slap-hitting center fielders.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
They always do
These lists are all crap, like usual.
Anyone know who makes these lists? They hire beat writers to do the yearly top 10’s and that’s why those are always so crappy. They arent even from BA writers most of the time. I think Callis does a few still though. This is probably the same crap.
+1
these list suck! i hate to be so critical but that’s how i feel. i can’t wait to read the chats.
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Sep 24, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Most Of The Team Lists...
Are done by regular BA writers, atleast looking at the BA Prospect Handbook it seems that way. The High-A lists were done by Will Lingo, Josh Leventhal, and J.J. Cooper.
"I hate the people that love me, and they hate me!"
by Brett Keith on Sep 25, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
In past years, these lists were compiled by the scouts and team coaches/officials from that particular league. I’m not saying a BA writer didn’t make these rankings but it was my understanding that they don’t. They don’t make the “Best Tools” lists either, those are based on MLB scouts, coaches and executives to my knowledge.
brett anderson
a little surprised he beat out chacin and alderson, although they are close.
Organizationally
I wonder when all the lists come out, could someone post team-by-team how many each team had on lists combined?
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Of all the posters who said the list is a joke, which other prospects would you have put on it?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 25, 2008 12:58 PM EDT reply actions
Thoughts
Carter – Seems to me to be too high on this list. Doubt he will be more then a strikeout prone error filled machine. Find it humorous when people defend his defense.
Cahill – I was totally wrong on this guy. I thought there was no chance he would keep up his great start. He proved me wrong and is a top 20 prospect in baseball.
Chacin, Anderson, Alderson – With Cahill, these guys have the potential to be impact in the majors in the near future (2010?). Looking forward to an exciting NL West down the road.
Lars Anderson – Kid can RAKE!!!!!
Halman – Personal favorite. Oozes tools. His game is coming together at breakneck speed. Five tool potential makes him one of my favorites in the minors. High risk, high reward prospect.
Triunfel – Lose the attitude Carlos. People are beginning to not only question his mental abilities but also his physical tools. That is never a good thing.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Sep 25, 2008 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
triunfel
good second half and only 18. Maybe he’ll have to move to third.
sure
But scouts have said his tools have regressed for one reason or another. That’s never a good sign.
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tools regressed/skills up
Tools may have regressed but his production went up. Let’s see—
2007, 296/333/367 including low A. 17/55 bb/k, 7 steals 12 caught stealing
2008 2d half (after the benching and big first half slump) 335/382/491. Full year 30/52 bb/k, 30-9 sb/cs.
Scouts are funny. Sour on a guy as he translates tools to skills.
Maybe he isn’t as fast and will have to play a different position. he is still 18 and maybe he just won’t be the type of player the scouts envisioned. But sign me up for the skill improvement (although I know he was in a great hitting environment).
Plus Cardenas in the FSL
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 25, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If Donaldson qualifies so does Cardenas
I would think? Unless his AA promotion didn’t give hime the AB’s
can anyone post A's related questions
from the BA chat?
Nope
You need to be a suscriber. If people start posting protected information then Sickels can be held liable.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Sep 26, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure that
really applies here. The information isn’t protect for the first day or two after the chat – it’s fair game at that point, what they do with it afterwards, such as making it “subscriber only” is moot as it began as information in the public domain.
+1
And why risk it when in the end it will only cost John?
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Sep 26, 2008 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not a risk
I have since checked. Once it hit’s public domain, it’s fair game. The only thing you should do is cite BA.
Even if it doesn't
What BA does after the hour is change the link. In other words, the original page where the chat took place remains free for all people, non-subscribers as well, but it just becomes harder to find it after the chat finishes. I realized this the other day when I had been checking the chat while it was taking place, and then had to leave in the middle, and realized when I came back that I could still access even the answers that I hadn’t been around to see. The only annoyance is that because the link is to an active chat page, it continues to reload every two minutes. You can get in if you ever are in an active chat, but for example, the link to today’s is http://www.baseballamerica.com/chat/chat.php?id=2008092601&rnd=107. If you notice, the address includes a day (this, for example, is for 09/26/2008), so by changing the address to accommodate the date you’re looking for, you can access an older chat that you may have missed.
www.loftylantern.com
by OldProspects on Sep 26, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
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