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Analysis of Yankees Prospect Brett Gardner

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Brett Gardner was drafted by the Yankees in the third round in 2005, from the College of Charleston. Speed was his calling card, speed and the ability to draw walks, but his power was questionable. He hit .284/.377/.376 with 19 steals for Staten Island in the New York-Penn League after signing. I gave him a Grade C+ in the 2006 book, noting that I thought he was a slight overdraft, but that I thought he could be a useful player if he showed enough pop to survive at higher levels.

Gardner hit .323/.433/.418 with 30 steals in 63 games for Class A Tampa in 2006, then .272/.352/.318 with 28 steals in 55 games for Double-A Trenton. I kept him as a Grade C+ in the 2007 book, noting his speed, willingness to take walks, and defensive ability, but remaining doubtful that he would show enough pop to start. I wrote that he had "an outside chance to become Juan Pierre, but I think Jason Tyner-with-more-walks is more likely."

Returning to Trenton to begin 2007, Gardner hit .300/.392/.419 in 54 games with 18 steals, then hit .260/.343/.331 in 45 games for Triple-A Scranton with 21 steals. My analysis didn't change: I kept him at Grade C+ in the 2008 book, again noting his ability to get on base and swipe bags, but again noting the lack of power and projecting him as a fourth outfielder.

Gardner hit .296/.414/.422 this year for Scranton, with 37 steals in 94 games. In his major league action, he's hit .202/.263/.279 in 104 at-bats. Obviously that kind of performance is unacceptable. He's stolen 11 bases in 12 attempts, which is excellent, but otherwise he's been quite weak offensively. His plate discipline, which was terrific in the minors, has not translated well to the majors, with just eight walks and 26 strikeouts in 104 at-bats. And the lack of power is obvious for all to see.

What does the future hold? Despite the early problems, I still think he's got a future as a fourth outfielder. Gardner's track record is to thrive at one level, then struggle a bit in his first shot at the next level before adjusting and doing better in the second try. The lack of power is always going to be an issue, but he should get at least some of the plate discipline back. Not all of it: he doesn't have enough pop to scare pitchers into giving him excessive walks, but I expect much of the patience will return in time. His MLEs show him as a .250-.280 hitter with a .340-.370 OBP. The bottom range of that is unacceptable for a regular, but the upper range would be OK given his speed and glovework.

I think the original assessment of Gardner as Jason Tyner with more walks is still a good one. Whether that's enough to be a regular depends on the style of team I suppose. Gardner's glovework in center field is well-regarded; his arm is weak but he has excellent range. If you're getting enough power at other positions, Gardner in center field is plausable, but personally I still think he's best off as a fourth outfielder. HIs offense will be marginal for a regular, although if he hits at the top end you can make a case.

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Brett Butler

He didn’t have a bad career.

by wobatus on Sep 24, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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You mean this Brett Butler? 17 years in the majors. Over 2300 hits and he scored over 1300 runs. Nope, he didn’t have a bad career. I think the majority of posters on here would be surprised if Brett Gardner had even half the career that Brett Butler had.

Same guy, new name.

by stillredsoxfan on Sep 24, 2008 11:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldnt be surprised

because there is pretty much ZERO chance of it happening. Butler was twice the player Gardner’s ceiling is.

I actually think Gardner is pretty underrated. He could be a starter on some teams (READ: Not NYY), but he’s not very good, is not much of a hitter for a MLB OFer(even a CFer) and Brett Butler he is NOT.

Gardner is as close to Brett Butler as Cano is to Rod Carew… nah, I take it back… not even that close.

by alskor on Sep 24, 2008 11:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

butler

had amazing obas in minors. I was just suggesting it i a similar skill set, fast, lotsa walks, little power. Although butler did have a 500+ slugging at 23 in high A.

However, his first 3 major league seasons he went .291 oba .225 (!) slugging at age 25 in half a season, .344/.393 at 26, and .361/.355 at 27. I doubt anyone thought he was so special at that age, although he stole 50 some odd bases at 27. The season before his sb pct. wasn’t great. I’d say Gardner has a chance to equal the type of numbers Butler put up in season 2 and 3 of his career at age 26 and 27, which are 2 years away for Butler. He’s already almost matched the crappy start. But I doubt Gardner will get much chance to start.

by wobatus on Sep 24, 2008 11:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just read an article...

at ESPN.com. It says that the Yankees only drafted and developed 10 position players between 1997 and 2005. They then go on to list all 10 of them and the number of Major League at bats for each….. Gardner is already in 3rd place behind only Andy Phillips and Shelley Duncan. I have a feeling that if told of that stat Gardner will not be quoted as saying “It’s just an honor to be mentioned in the same sentence as those two…”

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by Boxkutter on Sep 24, 2008 4:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting

That is quite a trend he has off being unable to hit well in his first go around, and then begin hitting near .300 once he gets used to the league. The fourth outfielder comp is also what I thought, so perhaps the future of the Yanks is to split time between him and Melky, who started off so great this season before falling off the map. The one thing that I do praise him for is to fight off tough pitches when he gets 2 strikes before usually grounding out. Besides that, he has been able to get the key hit to drive in runs

by MartyMcFly on Sep 24, 2008 6:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still don't see why

Ellsbury profiles as a star outfielder and gardner profiles as a 4th OFer… when their numbers have been very similar throughout the minors…

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by jbluestone on Sep 24, 2008 6:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

Agreed. IMO Ellsbury is a fringe 2nd/very good 3rd OF. He has excellent D and will likely hit .280/.380/.420 in a good year with 12 HR at best. Gardner has very good D and will likely hit with a similar line in a very good year as well, but likely with only 6-8 HR at very best. Not that much of a difference

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by Pablo Zevallos on Sep 24, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gardner

“Not all of it: he doesn’t have enough pop to scare pitchers into giving him excessive walks, but I expect much of the patience will return in time. His MLEs show him as a .250-.280 hitter with a .340-.370 OBP. The bottom range of that is unacceptable for a regular, but the upper range would be OK given his speed and glovework.”

If Gardner hit .280/.370 next year (which he said was just "OK"), wouldn’t that make him one of the best lead-off guys in the game? Am I crazy for thinking that? I mean, he’s a solid defensive fielder, solid arm (a bunch of assists lately), and has lightning speed.

Say he hits this .280/.370, which his equivalences suggest he could. He had 11 SB in about 100 at-bats with a low OBP. Give him 600 at-bats as a lead-off guy, thats a minimum of 60 stolen bases, possibly up to 80 stolen bases. By the way, I believe (not 100% sure), that his CS was a pick-off.

He has historically been slow to adjust to leagues at first, then comes on strong. By the way, he might finally adjusting right now too. On a five game hitting streak.

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by hallofamer2000 on Sep 24, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

That was my thought as well… .280/370 … and hes not totally puncless either.. can put up an ~.800 ops

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by jbluestone on Sep 24, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he can

If he could put these numbers up for the Yanks, then perhaps they just found a very good number nine hitter in the lineup, a possible full time starter. Though the arms may be weak with both him and Damon out there, you better place the ball well if its going to drop. Hopefully the eye he has keeps developing and he begins to get an even K/BB ratio

by MartyMcFly on Sep 24, 2008 10:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

Long term.. damon is gone after this year, and Austin Jackson is considered a much better prospect and the yankee future CFer… is about half a season or so away from being ready.

So honestly if gardner can actually live up to a .280/.370/.420 line he would be the yankees new leadoff hitter and probably move over to CF for jackson who i think is a better CFer and Gardners average arm would play better in LF, and yankee stadium LF (which isnt changing in the new park) is quite large and its nice to have people who can cover all of that.

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by jbluestone on Sep 25, 2008 5:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You guys are smoking crack

His IsoP in the minors is under .100, and it’s suddenly jumping to .140 in the majors?

He’s never even had HALF A SEASON where he posted a .140 IsoP.

.280/.370/.320 is more likely than .280/.370/.420… Gardner is Reggie Willits wearing a costume.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 25, 2008 9:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have to agree

An OF of a rookie Austin Jackson in CF and Brett Gardner in LF? That might be one of the worst starting OFs in recent memory unless the RF is Babe Ruth.

No major league team would ever consider going with that setup. Its suicide. Im trying to think of a comp… and I cant. What was the worst OF in the majors this year? Lets compare it to Carlos Gonzalez in CF(good comp to AJax – rookie highly touted OFer) and say Emil Brown in LF in OAK… that OF was terrible… and yet, I would easily – EASILY – take the 08 Brown/Gonzo over the ’10 Gardner/Jackson. .

by alskor on Sep 26, 2008 2:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is why I made the Butler comp

Buts was .361/.355 as a third year player at age 27 with the Indians with 50 sbs. i think Gardner could possibly do that. maybe not for the yanks, as they would likely never tolerate him struggling for a year or two as a regular to reach that kind of level. Which ain’t that hot to begin with. Although melky was certainly crappy enough and they tolerated him. For a little while.

Gardner would be better off somewhere like the A’s, although they have a lot f outfielders now anyway, but somewhere where his “gifts” are tolerated, not where they need production from day 1.

He is likely more a 4th outfielder type, but in certain line-ups he could make sense as a starter IF he got his production level up to .360/.360. heck, Gomez is at .290/.360 and is playing on a division leader.

by wobatus on Sep 26, 2008 11:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree with the Willits comment

That was the first thing that came to my mind. Willits 2007 was a very good year, but not likely to happen very often.
With no power, teams don’t give those guys many chances. There’s a reason why there are so few Juan Pierre’s out there getting full time play year in and year out.

by passed ball on Sep 26, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brett Gardner =

Melky Cabrera lite. He’ll be cast aside once the Yanks sign a better OF or packaged in a trade where he can struggle with some other organization. He doesn’t fit the Yankees mold and doesn’t have the upside of some of the other kids in the minors that will likely be coming up in the next couple of years.

by Looneyt0on on Sep 29, 2008 2:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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