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Monday Baseball Discussion: Heyward vs. Villalona

Here's a baseball discussion question for those who wish to avoid the off-topic economic thread.

If you could have either Jason Heyward of the Braves system for your farm system, or Angel Villalona of the Giants system for your farm system, who would you pick? Does Heyward's broader skill base and defensive value counteract Villalona's youth and power potential?

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Heyward or Villalona?
Jason Heyward
1081 votes
Angel Villalona
444 votes

1525 votes | Poll has closed

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Good Question

Villalona has some pretty impressive HR totals as an 18 year old, Heyward as a 19 year old displayed not just power potential, but the ability to hit for average, get on base via the base on balls, strike out a whole lot less then Villalona, and be a catalyst in a lineup by not only driving in runs, but being in run scoring situations. He also has a bit more speed then Villalona evidenced by his 6 triples on the season, compared to the 0 by his counterpart. Add in the defensive prowess and I say you have a possible future all star in the bigs

by MartyMcFly on Sep 22, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not much of a contest, is it?

At least from what we’ve seen so far. Villalona could be a beast, but he’s limited defensively, his approach at the plate is still somewhat rudimentary, and he’s always going to have to keep an eye on his girth. Heyward, meanwhile, is rapidly approaching elite status, in terms of his overall tool set. Villalona, if he reaches his ceiling, will have the advantage power-wise, but that’s about it.

by royshowell on Sep 22, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

keep in mind......

heyward is almost 2 years older imagine the numbers villalona woulduv’e put up had he been 2 years older

by caincecum on Sep 22, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are terrible at math.

by bigboy1234 on Sep 22, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i mean nvm........

i didnt realize heyward was only a year older

by caincecum on Sep 22, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a Giants fan but I think Heyward is the better prospect right now. That can always change.

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by xanthan on Sep 22, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by marcello on Sep 22, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Objectivity

One thing you can say about us Giants fans (at least the ones who post here) is that we’re objective. I too voted for Heyward, although I hope like heck that I’m wrong.

Heyward plays a position that is far less demanding offensively, as noted he’s only a year older than the defensively-challenged Villalona, and AnVil had a HORRIBLE K/BB ratio, while Heyward’s was certainly acceptable.

by sharksrog on Sep 23, 2008 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As much as I like Angel, I basically have to agree with this.

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by raisingcain on Sep 22, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you guys are all fired

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by delorean on Sep 23, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Villalona

I will go out on a limb and go with Angel. What he did as primarily a 17 year old this season is extremely impressive. I love his power potential and could see him hitting 40 plus bombs in his prime.

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by King Billy Royal on Sep 22, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't see anything Villalona can do

that Heyward cannot (offensively). Other parts of the game are obviously in Heyward’s favor. A more fitting contest would have been Heyward vs. Moustakas (apologies for the potential hijack of thread)…

I’ve yet to see the latter play but am very familiar w/ Heyward (called him a fringe top 10 prospect for this yr upon draft). I know the times we played his teams we could not get him out unless he hit it right at people. Tried to pitch around him some w/ tons of offspeed on the outer half, he would wait and kill it to oppo field. No FBs for strikes, but try to sneak one or 2 inside he would hammer that too. My team didn’t have a guy who could throw over 90 then but a few others did, he had trouble w/ inside heat, every teenager does (incl. the younger Upton, but that was his only foil). Outside of Upton (maybe) his is the best HS bat I have ever seen in my 10+ yrs of this. I doubt he keeps his speed past age of 22/23 but I see a string of 1.000+ OPS and 40-45 HRs seasons in his peak yrs. Also quick feet/hands, a limber athlete for a kid his size, he should “age” well too.

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by dew on Sep 22, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He reminds me

a lot of an Ellis Burks type of hitter. A guy you can put in the 5 hole and count on producing year in and out. I could see a borderline HOF type career for Heyward right now.

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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 23, 2008 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see how it's that close...

How many 17 year old “prodigies” actually make, let alone succeed in, the majors? Heyward looks like the next superstar OF. As a comparison, I have Heyward at #3 in my Top 25, while Villalona was left off the list. As to what Dew said, I have Heyward slightly above Moose, but I am VERY high on both of them.

by InclineInvestments on Sep 22, 2008 6:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My take

Villalona looks a little tubby already while Heyward seems to be the better athlete. Villalona can eat himself out of professional baseball before he is 25 while Heyward seems primed to make a steady climb to being a Top 5 prospect and eventually a much safer bet to fulfill his potential.

The power will be neglible unless Villalona turns out to be the right-handed version of Ryan Howard.

by BBFan1 on Sep 22, 2008 7:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Villalona

I know it’s probably been overstated but Villalona’s improvement over the course of the season was quite impressive. Sure overall the numbers arent that spectactular but the fact that each month there was marked improvement in almost all categories I thought spoke volumes.

by Franchise55 on Sep 22, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point

Good point about AnVil’s improvement as the season went on. In the rookie league, Wendell Fairley’s improvement was also noticeable, as each month he kept improving his batting average by 40 points per month.

by sharksrog on Sep 23, 2008 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heyward

If the question was who has the higher potential, there may be something to discuss there but I just really don’t see this as a legitimate question. Villalona has greater raw power and is a bit younger but aside from that, he really has nothing that would make him a better prospect. In terms of his body, speed, plate discipline, defense, positional flexibility, etc. he’s just out of Villalona’s leg.

Again, asking who has the higher ceiling is different, but if you went around to every GM in baseball and they gave an honest answer to this question, I think you’d be hard pressed to find one or two that would say V.

by was385 on Sep 23, 2008 7:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I voted for Heyward

But I think you have to be careful when talking about a kid who turned 18 in august and a kid who turned 19 in august as in only 1 year different..

A college freshman is a very big difference then a high school senior… its kinda like a few months for a new baby is a HUGE deal when as you get older a few months becomes meaningless.

But… going on what Heyward has done .871 OPS in the sally league vs. Villalona .747 OPS in the sally league… i have to go with Heyward, who probably is the more compelte player anyways.. but Villalonas power oculd end up off the charts

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by jbluestone on Sep 23, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

A better comp would have been Freedie Freeman vs. Villalona since both play 1B and were in the same league.

by Jay212033 on Sep 24, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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