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At what point does Wilmer Flores get attention?

Yes this is my second post regarding Wilmer Flores but I just could not resist. Today he is 3/4 with an rbi and a run scored and (remember he is 16 years old and a SS) is posting a 331/372/530 in 172 ab's. He is a big kid (6'3) and likely will outgrow SS... but A-Rod never really outgrew the position, nor did Ripken. I am NOT comparing him to either guy but how many 16 year olds in recent history have sprung on the scene to this degree? Will he be on BA's top 100 list? What do people think of him?

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At what point does Wilmer Flores get attention?

Yes this is my second post regarding Wilmer Flores but I just could not resist. Today he is 3/4 with an rbi and a run scored and (remember he is 16 years old and a SS) is posting a 331/372/530 in 172 ab’s. He is a big kid (6’3) and likely will outgrow SS… but A-Rod never really outgrew the position, nor did Ripken. I am NOT comparing him to either guy but how many 16 year olds in recent history have sprung on the scene to this degree? Will he be on BA’s top 100 list? What do people think of him?

by Peter North on Aug 5, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The funniest part....

....is that you double posted in your own thread. I’ll assume it’s out of excitement. Anyway, I’m totally psyched about Wilmer but he’s a long way away.

by Lunkwill Fook on Aug 6, 2008 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um...

Why do you think he hasn’t gotten attention? He’s pretty much on the radar at this point. BA has mentioned him about 800 times on their prospects blog, and Mets’ fans all around the internet have certainly spread the good news.

by aCone419 on Aug 5, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Plenty of attention

I’d say he’s gotten about as much publicity as any rookie league guy this year, and he’s likely to be on just about any and all top 5 Mets prospect lists going into next year.

by jibs on Aug 5, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

any more

attention would qualify as too much or an overhype

by sagecoll on Aug 5, 2008 11:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Big SS Comps

When you talk about 6’3 teenage shortstops who grow out of the position, you might have to think less of Ripken and more of Wilson Betemit. Betemit is also a good cautionary tale about shortstop prospects who destroy the lower minors as kids, but don’t mature gracefully as players.

But yeah, I’m excited about Flores. Credit Kevin Goldstein with putting him in the Mets’ top ten before the year, and look for everyone to put him on their big lists this winter.

by aap212 on Aug 6, 2008 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

betemit

.197/.272/.358 in GCL at 16. Better in appy league the next year. He should have been better. had some great low minors years then stagnated. Maybe he lost motivation.

by wobatus on Aug 6, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAPPY BIRTHDAY WILMER FLORES

Peter failed to mention that Flores turned 17 today.

Before turning 17, Flores hit .331/.370/.535 with eight doubles, three triples, seven homers and 33 RBI in 41 games for Kingsport.

As you should know, as a 16 year old, Flores should have been a junior in high school this year. Can you imagine Wilmer Flores against high school pitchers? With an aluminum bat? Honestly, I’m not sure of how to rank Wilmer Flores right now because he’s so young, but I would have to believe that this guy would be a possible #1 pick coming out of high school..

For comparison, at age 17, Jose Reyes only managed to hit .250 in 49 games for Kingsport.

by Duece on Aug 6, 2008 1:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

High School

If he is just now turning 17, then he would be just now starting his junior year this month. So he is essentially the same as if he’d been drafted as a sophomore in high school. Which is ridiculous.

by aCone419 on Aug 6, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well no

he would of just been a junior going to his senior year. At least in New York. I’m the same age so..

by Duece on Aug 6, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe different in GA

I have a friend who coincidentally also has today as his birthday. He was 17 his whole junior year (which is what Flores will be during the school year) and 18 his whole senior year. Most people don’t graduate at 17, but maybe it is different in NY.

by aCone419 on Aug 6, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For public schools in New York

The general cutoff is December 1. So a child born after December 1, 2003 won’t start Kindergarten until September 2009. On the other hand, for children born before December 1 it is the decision of the parents. From my experience, their appears to be an unofficial cutoff of September 1 because of the possibility that as a Senior in High School the student could be 16 (and not have a driver’s license) while some of his/her friends are 18. This tends to be more of an issue among females

by mtk52983 on Aug 6, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

We probably have a similar but slightly different system in place. Let’s just say that in Savannah where he will be playing next year, he’d be a junior.

by aCone419 on Aug 7, 2008 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Age

I turn 17 two weeks from now and I’m going to be a senior.

by BlackOps on Aug 7, 2008 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Age

I haven’t turned 17 yet and I’m going to be a senior

by Duece on Aug 8, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How did he manage to play when he was 16

I thought international signings could sign when they turned 16, once the international signing period had started, but they would not be able to play in North America until the next year( when they are 17).

by tdot mariner fan on Aug 6, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A couple points

1. Age with respect to league is not a virtue with the Mets organization, where they rush everyone. Met fans are hyping Flores right now because they have little else to hang their hats on.

2. The stats are nice, but they totally depend on scouting reports. Reyes may have struggled at 17, but maybe the scouts saw something. I’m not saying they necessarily don’t in Wilmer Flores, we just don’t have that information yet.

3. Typically, international prospects need to prove themselves in full-season ball to really get some momentum moving. If Flores does this in the Sally league next year, he’ll be a top 50 prospect.

by number_twentyone on Aug 6, 2008 5:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you should read what scouts have to say

The scouting reports are good according to all I’ve read. Maybe you shouldn’t dismiss things you haven’t looked into.

And while you’re right that the Mets rush everyone, it’s not fair to say they’re hyping him because they have nothing else to hang their hats on. I mean, if we were talking about Mike Carp that might be true. But it’s not like Braves fans are hyping Heyward because their big league team is SOL.

by aap212 on Aug 6, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heyward's in full season ball

so there’s a considerable difference there.

by number_twentyone on Aug 7, 2008 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you're right....

We have absolutely nothing to be excited about. That Fernando Martinez? What a joke. Murphy looking like he belongs in the bigs? Bah. Mike Pelfrey developing into the pitcher everyone thought he had the talent to be? Who cares? Carp? Evans? Niese? What are they but names?

Yeah, so we’re just talking about Flores because our e-penis is feeling small.

by Lunkwill Fook on Aug 7, 2008 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nino Leyja is posting a .950 OPS for Oakland's rookie league team...

at age 17.

I haven’t seen him hyped up a whole lot…

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 6, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Difference

1) AZL is a complex league, and the Appy league is an actual league with actual teams. Even though they are both technically rookie ball, the level of competition is higher in the “upper” rookie leagues.

2) He’s not an international signing so he doesn’t have that exotic feel of unlimitedness that all prospect hunters desire.

by aCone419 on Aug 7, 2008 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But... but... he's Latino

I guess he’s not Mexican enough…

[Actually, I have no idea whether he’s even Mexican at all. But there’s a running joke among A’s fans about Eric Chavez “not being Mexican enough”, so I figure Leyja would fit right in.]

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 7, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, that raises an interesting question

I usually see the Northwest League listed as Short Season A, yet the Appalachian League is listed as Rookie.

Aren’t they basically the same level? Why the difference in classification?

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 7, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking from my tookus...

If I had to guess, the NWL has more straight from college players while the Appy league has more HSers, JUCOs, and int’l guys who may or may not have made a stop in the complex and instructional leagues. That would make the NWL theoretically more advanced, but I could be completely off base here.

by aCone419 on Aug 7, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leyja vs Flores

I think what’s getting everyone excited about Flores is how quickly he’s learned to send the ball out of the yard and, assuming he continues to “progress”, he could be a monster power hitter.

Leyja looks good though. Gotta love that plate discipline at such a young age.

by Lunkwill Fook on Aug 7, 2008 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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