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Signing Deadline Thread

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I figured it would be a good idea to make a single thread to dump all of the late minor league signings ...

 

So far it seems like the major stumbling blocks are with Alonso, Crowe, and Hosmer.

 Dykstra's hip might lead to problems aswell.

 

 

Looks like Melville and Posey has signed...

So out of the top 11, Alvarez, Hosmer, Matsuz,  Alonso, Crowe and Smoak are unsigned. Feilds, Dykstra and Cole, fill out the rest of the unsigned 1st rounders.

 

 

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My predictions..

Dykstra doesn’t sign and Crow probably doesn’t sign but all the other first rounders do. Alonso might be a close call though, rooming w A-Rod in NYC is a pretty sweet fallback plan.

Keep in mind that since Josh Fields is a college senior the Aug 15 deadline doesn’t apply to him. The deadline for him signing is one week before the start of the ‘09 draft, although I’d expect his deal to get done by, at worst, sometime this winter.

Yanks 2nd or 3rd rounder Scott Bittle is probably heading back to Ole Miss for his senior year. The Yanks are saying hes got a bum shoulder and, accordingly, should take a lower bonus. Bittle disagrees.

BA has a rundown of all of the first ten rounders unsigned and their predictions..
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2008/266692.html
They also are reporting that the Giants signed 3rd and 4th rounders Roger Keishnick (Tex Tech OF) and Brandon Crawford (UCLA SS) for overslot bonuses.
Plus they say the Reds are going to give 500k to a darkhorse of sorts
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=423

by nms on Aug 14, 2008 4:59 PM EDT   0 recs

Daniel Webb

It says Hultzen is going to attend UVA not a surprise, but what about Webb and Kentucky?

by AZDBACKS on Aug 14, 2008 5:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Webb fell to round 12

so that is why he wasn’t mentioned in that BA piece.

Kentucky baseball coach John Cohen left to take over the Miss St job after legend Ron Polk retired. Because of this Webb will not be going to Kentucky. If he goes to college it will be Okaloosa-Walton CC, in Florida, or Miss St.

by nms on Aug 14, 2008 5:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

News

Has there been any news on him possibly signing or going to college recently?

by AZDBACKS on Aug 14, 2008 5:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

coming into the draft

he was considered signable, but right before it his dad put out a big figure and since then it has looked like Webb is probably not going to sign.

I’d bet on him turning down the D-Backs and Miss St (and Kentucky) and spending one year at the CC and trying his luck next year.

by nms on Aug 14, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bubba Meyer

He was another UK commit. Any news on him?

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by eazyb81 on Aug 14, 2008 5:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

still headed to UK

Apparently Boston has been throwing 7 figures at him but he is still considered unsignable.

Kentucky hired assoc. head coach (and pitching coach.. and top recruited) Gary Henderson to take over the program right after Cohen went out. He managed to keep most of that class committed.

Interestingly, Henderson’s background is as a West Coast guy, which you don’t see a whole lot of in the SEC

by nms on Aug 14, 2008 6:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Response

I thought BP reported a few weeks ago that it looked like Boston and Meyer had a deal done for $2M . . .but I haven’t heard anything else.

by mrkupe on Aug 14, 2008 10:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

BP has reported a lot of signings that they say

are done deals that haven’t come through yet.
We’ll see.

by nms on Aug 15, 2008 1:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

There are also notable picks from the later rounds

It looks like the Yanks won’t pony up to sign 16th round Indiana HS LHP Blake Monar away from Indiana University. Monar is a curve and slider specialist who has dominated this summer for the elite Midland (Cincy) Redskins travel team but his velo has been down, partly due to a case of strep throat.

UGA looks like it will get two of the top HS pitchers in the state onto campus. Micheal Palazzone and Cecil Tanner onto campus. Both were early round arms who fell for money reasons and the Braves took fliers on the local guys late.
UGA looks to get real lucky this year by getting those two plus two 3rd round position players into school and getting 10 round junior RHP ace Trevor Holder to return.

Braves 17th rounder Mark Pope is a similar case, but not as good as Tanner or Palazzone, he probably won’t be bought away from Ga Tech.

The Braves signed 14 of their top 15 picks but almost no one after that.
The one early guy they didn’t sign, RHP JJ Hoover from an Alabama CC, has been showing some sweet velo and is an All-Star in the Cape Cod League. He is a WVU commit, it is uncertain if he will sign.

by nms on Aug 14, 2008 5:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Damn

I took Palazzone early in my shadow (4th round I think). Tat hurts me farm system.

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by doublestix on Aug 14, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Melville signing is huge for KC

Assuming Hosmer signs, they basically got two top 15-20 overall draft prospects. I wonder where/if Melville will rank on BA’s Top 100.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 14, 2008 5:43 PM EDT   0 recs

Have you heard anything about Beau Brett or Ryan Curl?

Probably going to school, but maybe?

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by doublestix on Aug 14, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought both

Had pretty much said they’re going to school. I think George Brett even said it was highly unlikely Beau would be signing, which makes me wonder why they would even bother drafting him.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

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by doublestix on Aug 15, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

because you have 50 rounds to use

so you draft some guys you know are just going to fill out your Appy League team and get cut next spring and you draft some guys you know won’t sign.

I would’ve drafted Brett too if I was the Royals. Why not? On the off-chance he changes his mind and wants to sign.. then super. If not, it is still a classy tip of the hat to your greatest player and a good way to signal that you are going to follow this kid and scout him in college. It is common practice.

by nms on Aug 16, 2008 1:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No, haven't heard anything

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by eazyb81 on Aug 14, 2008 6:13 PM EDT   0 recs

Crow would be foolish not to sign

He’s a guy who went through a major change in stuff mid-way through college, in addition to normal pitcher concerns. Washington wants to get him signed, of course, but they have less to lose than he does. Dare I say he has above-average Matt Harrington potential for a college pitcher. He deserves a big bonus, but if he’s willing to play in the independent leagues if he doesn’t get more than twice Matusz’s money, then screw him.

by aap212 on Aug 14, 2008 6:23 PM EDT   0 recs

Agreed

Don’t really get why they’re demanding this much money, from all reports it seems like he’s just not ace material and would be a midround pick in a lot of other draft classes.

He could be in the big leagues by next year, which would mean it would only be a matter of a few seasons before he inks a long-term deal where he REALLY makes money. Don’t know why he’d want to gamble that for a few million up front.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It came from my brain

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2008 3:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So there's the problem....

Sorry. Just kidding. Couldn’t resist.

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by Boxkutter on Aug 15, 2008 4:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well where did your brain get the idea

that Crow would be a mid-round pick in other draft classes and where did your brain get the idea Crow would be in MLB next year?

by nms on Aug 15, 2008 5:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

From what I have read

That this was a particularly weak draft class for pitchers, and that Crow would not be a top ten pick in other seasons.

I’ve also read that many felt Crow would taste the big leagues as soon as 2009. He’s considered close to MLB ready. Just not that big an upside – more of a mid-rotation guy.

You can refute or disagree, that’s fine, I’m not claiming to be an authority.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He was #9 this year

So you’re saying that in another year, he would have been #14? That doesn’t seem like the most significant of differences.

Matusz signed for 3.2 million. Does he really think that he’d get upwards of 6 million? I haven’t been following these negotiations at all, but that doesn’t seem very reasonable

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by OldProspects on Aug 15, 2008 5:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Matusz got an initial bonus

of 3.2 but it was part of a Major League contract.. meaning he starts his career on the 40 man roster and thus is paid alot more in yearly salary than a guy in the minors and he starts using options quicker and thus hits MLB quicker and then arbitration quicker and then FA quicker.

Crow might just be seeking a minor league deal with a 6 mil bonus.

by nms on Aug 15, 2008 5:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

when you said "mid-round"

I took that to mean “mid-round”.. as in 5th round or something.

Any college player “could” taste the bigs as early as late ‘09 but its hard to say which ones really. Lots of it depends on how quick a guy’s org wants to promote them.

Crow wouldn’t be ready to be a MLB regular in ‘09, but sure maybe he could’ve gotten some coffee.. who knows.

by nms on Aug 15, 2008 5:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What about my initial points?

This thread seems to have been hijacked by one wacky response.

by aap212 on Aug 15, 2008 5:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mid-round

Means 15th pick or so. Point being he’d probably drop quite a bit in next year’s draft.

And he’d get a taste of the big leagues in 2009 – the larger point being he’d probably be in the big leagues for good very soon, meaning he’d have the opportunity to make really good money pretty quickly.

I think you’re getting hung up trying to want to be a contrarian instead of seeing the bigger point.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well

Mid-Round doesn’t actually mean that.
I means “middle rounds”, so thats why I was confused.

by nms on Aug 16, 2008 1:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

how does it not mean that?

The 15th pick is in the middle of the round. I fail to see how you could interpret “mid-round” to mean fifth round, considering there are more than ten rounds to the draft.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 18, 2008 3:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

because after around

round 10 the dropoff in worthwhile talent is so steep everything from that point onwards is generally regarded as “late round”.
Its not just me, look at how scouts and analysts use the term “mid-round” and you’ll find it generally refers to the “middle rounds” like 4-7 or so.

by nms on Aug 18, 2008 5:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well if true

That’s silly. “Mid-round” should refer to middle of the first round and “middle rounds” should refer to the 5th round.

Sorry for the confusion.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 18, 2008 11:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Pirates

sign Robbie Grossman. Good sign for the Bucs. I like this new management team and what they have done this year. Now get Pedro.

by Robinson Checo on Aug 14, 2008 6:35 PM EDT   0 recs

for 1 mil

36th overall money.
Thats alotta cash

by nms on Aug 14, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Indians

Sign Zach Putnam

#269

by mrmetaa on Aug 14, 2008 7:22 PM EDT   0 recs

Putnam

the Michigan star, will get 650k which is mid-2nd round money.

by nms on Aug 14, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rangers

sign Robbie Ross

by FirebatM3 on Aug 14, 2008 7:41 PM EDT   0 recs

really?

Has this happened? Or is it a prediction?

by naropean on Aug 14, 2008 9:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Response

Pretty sure Ross was going to sign for like $1M or so . . .

by mrkupe on Aug 14, 2008 10:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he was in town for a physical

deal probably done tomorrow

by FirebatM3 on Aug 14, 2008 10:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oh ok

I heard he was at the Frisco game with Rangers officials last night. Just making sure I didn’t miss an official announcement of his signing.

by naropean on Aug 14, 2008 11:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

now it's official

Robbie Ross signs with the Rangers

by naropean on Aug 15, 2008 8:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

BA is reporting it now

Good news for Pitt fans.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 15, 2008 10:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

whoops

meant to reply on the post above about Grossman. Too many Robbies.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 15, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

any info on these

brett hunter- pepperdine…this guy wants 2mill, top 10 pick $$
brent warren – commited to oregon st

elgie/maronde

by Asfan4ever723 on Aug 14, 2008 8:55 PM EDT   0 recs

they got hunter, 1.1 mil

i’m sure you saw that on AN though

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by flipgatey3 on Aug 16, 2008 2:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Others

Signings:

TJ House, CLE – 1 mil, according to Tulane site
Bryce Stowell, CLE – 725k, according to rivals.com
Jordan Danks, CHW – 500k

Non-signings:

Brett Mooneyham, SD – turned down 1.4 mil (!)
Jason Kipnis, SD – Pads wouldn’t go overslot

by aCone419 on Aug 14, 2008 9:07 PM EDT   0 recs

Jason Esposito

Jason Esposito, 3B, CT HS is turning down 1.5 million from the Royals and will attend Vanderbilt

by adschofield on Aug 14, 2008 10:37 PM EDT   0 recs

Nuts

Can’t believe a 17 year old has the guts to turn down $1.5 mill.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 15, 2008 10:31 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It worked for Pedro Alvarez

He turned down a million from the Sox when he was a teenager.

by aap212 on Aug 15, 2008 1:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

True

but I wonder how often it works out overall.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 15, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Education helps

I can’t blame a player for wanting an education. In the grand scheme of things perhaps some people value their youth and desire higher learning more then a higher paycheque.

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 15, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No doubt

and from all accounts he comes from a very wealthy area of Connecticut, so $1.5 mill probably doesn’t carry the same weight as it does with the majority of draft prospects.

Can’t fault the kid for wanting an education, but he did admit that he told the Royals what it would take for him to sign, they drafted him and offered that amount, and then he still turned it down. Kind of a shady move.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 15, 2008 2:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Meh, you can go to school if you flame out in the minors. I’d find it very difficult to turn down 1.5 million, valuing youth or no.

by soup du jour on Aug 15, 2008 9:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Who wants to start college at 30 years old?

And I doubt he could defer his Vandy offer for 8 years or so.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 15, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If you didn't blow your 1.5 million on Humvees and bling

Going to college at 30 years old is far from the worst fate in the world.

I think the big difference boils down to spending 3 years being a big man on campus nailing hot coeds vs. long crap bus rides and living in the podunk towns where the low minors teams are located (I say this having grown up in a MWL town).

by jibs on Aug 15, 2008 9:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Gerrit Cole

According to a poster on another site who is pretty accurate with Yankees information, Cole will be going to college

by mtk52983 on Aug 14, 2008 10:43 PM EDT   0 recs

haha

So they can’t buy everything.

by naropean on Aug 14, 2008 11:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good.

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by doublestix on Aug 15, 2008 12:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

too funny.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 15, 2008 10:31 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yankees 2009

with getting an extra pick for Cole if he doesnt sign, can the yankees set a record for most picks before the 2nd round in next years draft? They have quite a few FA’s

by krgrecw on Aug 14, 2008 11:52 PM EDT   0 recs

No.

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by doublestix on Aug 15, 2008 12:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If they decided to give up on 09, yeah

Main Pick (1)
Gerrit Cole (1)
Damaso Marte (2)
Ivan Rodriguez (2)
Jason Giambi (2)
Bobby Abreu (2)
Andy Pettitte (2)
Mike Mussina (2)

Also:
2nd Round (1)
Scott Bittle (1)

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by hallofamer2000 on Aug 15, 2008 12:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I take that back

They could actually still win without all of them. The only one there that might come back is Moose.

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by hallofamer2000 on Aug 15, 2008 12:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Highly doubt they'll offer arb to everyone

because I could see a few of them accepting.

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by eazyb81 on Aug 15, 2008 10:32 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

I don’t imagine they’ll offer arb to Giambi, Pudge or Abreu. None of their productions warrant anything close to 80% of what they’re making now.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 15, 2008 12:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pettitte and Mussina will either resign or retire, so no picks there. I doubt Giambi or Pudge would be offerred arbitration, so no picks there. I have to imagine they’ll resign Abreu. Marte too I suppose. $6 million for his preformance is pretty darn good.

by 17843 on Aug 15, 2008 12:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

???

Pettitte can always go back to Houston. I bet Giambi and I-Rod can get multi-year deal elsewhere. Why would the Yankees re-sign Abreu when he’s clearly declining and will want a multi-year deal? Marte has been awful with the Yankees.

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by hallofamer2000 on Aug 15, 2008 12:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wow

You HONESTLY think Pudge and Giambi are going to get MORE money by declining arbitration and going elsewhere? NO. They are on the downside of their career and probably a want a last shot at a title anyways, and they also know that they’ll have AT LEAST a SLIGHT chance of doing that by staying in New York.

Seriously, don’t get your hopes up.

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by doublestix on Aug 15, 2008 1:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Disagree

I doubt the Yankees would want either of those guys for a multi-year deal, but it’s possible other teams might have interest. Do you think Pudge would want to be a back-up catcher if Posada comes back healthy? Do you think Giambi would accept arbitration only to sit on the bench behind Mark Teixeira? Both of these guys are likely to get better opportunities elsewhere. Mussina should also get offers for a multi-year deal given his performance this season, maybe from an NL team (I’m looking at you, Mets), that might not be offered by the Yankees. I think those 3 guys, along with Abreu, would have legitimate reasons to decline arbitration. Marte has not exactly pitched like a 6 million dollar pitcher since being acquired, so it is possible they could offer him arbitration or try to work out a 2-3 year deal. Some of these guys would probably be type A, definitely Abreu and possibly Mussina, Marte, Giambi, and Pudge.

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by lemonjello on Aug 15, 2008 1:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Response

Nobody has any clue about Posada’s arm right now. The most likely scenario IMO, without further information, is that he’s restricted to 1B with perhaps a possibility of spot catching. There’s really no reason to risk losing his bat again.

The Yankees do not have Mark Teixeira. They do, however, have Jason Giambi, who has produced for them and will probably do okay next year for them as well if they want him back. The Yankees have a lot of needs . . .why would they break the bank on Tex when they have Posada/Giambi to handle 1B/DH for them, a combination which they wouldn’t find themselves in a bidding war over.

Why would the Yankees want to lose Mike Mussina? He’s had an above-average season and is about as reliable as they come these days . . .they don’t have enough good arms as is and you’re suggesting that they part ways? I’d give him 2-3 years without much complaint.

Abreu is still an effective player and he’ll get offers. But again, why not the Yankees? They don’t have reasonable in-house options to replace him. If you’re concerned about the draft picks, any decent replacement for him would cost you a draft pick in return.

Marte, who knows. They might just get the picks from him as he’s a valuable pitcher to a lot of teams. Then again, the Yankees have use for a lefty out of their pen too.

It’s pretty obvious that some people here are just really hung up on this fantasy of the Yankees getting a bazillion draft picks in the first round and blowing like $20-25M on the draft next year. But in doing so they’d be absolutely crippling their team, and – MOST IMPORTANTLY – unnecessarily so. Rebound years from Jeter, Cano, a healthy Wang, and the development of more young pitching should make the team very competitive next year if they keep all these guys, especially if they plan on going out and signing some pieces to turn weaknesses into strengths (hi C.C. Sabathia!).

by mrkupe on Aug 15, 2008 1:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Some people can say things better than I can

And mrkupe is one of them.

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by doublestix on Aug 15, 2008 2:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Completely agree, except

Sabathia has openly said that he wants to play on the west coast. I am thinking Dodgers or Angels for him.

But overall, the Yankees want to compete every year. They are not going to let several talented players walk away without trying to retain them. Also, look at the Yankee history. The Steinbrenner family (I don’t care if George is calling the shots or not) has been very loyal to their players. Other than Giambi and the steroid issue, these guys will get their opportunity to stay, especially Mussina. I imagine they would even bring back Pettite if he wants back.

by count sutton on Aug 15, 2008 10:45 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If Posada can't play catcher

then how valuable is he as a 1B or DH? If he keeps on hitting like he did last year, he’d obviously be quite valuable, but how much is a 37 year old 1B/DH with a career .857 OPS worth? If you can’t fully rely on him, you might want to consider looking for alternatives at 1B/DH, especially if you want to be a contender.

Jason Giambi is a terrific hitter, but will be 38 next year and last played 100 games in 2006, and last played 140 games in 2003. After Giambi finishes his 7 year 120 million dollars contract, the Yankees have an option on him for next year for 22 million dollars. I don’t know how high the bidding war for Teixeira will go, or how big of a discount the Yankees might be able to persuade Giambi to give them, but it seems like they should at least consider him, especially if the price is somewhat similar.

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by OldProspects on Aug 15, 2008 1:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wow

you honestly think they are going to be offered arbitration. is jiambi even going to qualify as a type B free agent anyway?

by zeisenbe on Aug 17, 2008 9:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hosmer

KC will sign him. Moore understands that they cannot let draft picks slip away because of bonus demands. I imagine a deal will be announced late tonight.

by count sutton on Aug 15, 2008 10:46 AM EDT   0 recs

I agree

I think Hosmer wants to sign too. It will get done.

Crow and Cole are the only first rounders I think in serious jeopardy of not signing.

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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 15, 2008 3:26 PM EDT