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Carlos Quentin

I'm curious what other people's opinions are related to Quentin's breakout year. I know he was a decent prospect, but do people think he's actually this good, or this year is going to be a fluke. Predictions for 2009 and beyond?

 

I think he's good, but I'm not sure he's this good.

 

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I pretty much agree with you.

I remember a few years back I had dreams of Quentin, Markakis, and Kubel being my dynasty fantasy baseball outfield for years to come.

Of the three, Markakis is the only one I think is the real deal.

I expect Quentin to really be like a 20 homerun, 80 rbi, .270 type guy for his career,

But I guess if Quentin does what he is doing now, next year, I would have to reconsider.

by Big Punisher on Aug 14, 2008 12:17 PM EDT   0 recs

gotta still like Kubel's chances

800+ ops, 17 HR as a 26 year old is not half bad. Even though he can’t hit lefties.

by Justin & Joe on Aug 15, 2008 9:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

surprised

to say the least!

however, this is not too far off what people thought he might be able to do once he got it all together….i have a feeling he’ll hit a sophomore slump in 2009 as pitchers know better what to do with him, but if e can adjust as well, he could continue this sort of production for many years….

watching him live, the only thing i will say that i don’t like about his swing is his crouch….jeff bagwell had a much more natural crouch, though about as deep, and he found out that injuries and time make that crouch painful…quentin’s is deep and awkward…..i have a bad feeling that you could see him needing to revamp his stance later in his career….however, guys like ripken never had the same stance twice, so it’s not like stance is the only determinant in a successful approach at the plate….

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Aug 14, 2008 12:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Crouch

Quentin’s crouch looks odd, but realize it’s less of an “unwind” type crouch a la Bags or even someone like Edmonds, who generates tremendous power from his uppercut swing.

One thing that’s really surprised me from watching Quentin regularly (I’ve probably seen approx. 50 Sox games this year) is how much of Q’s power comes from his upper half. He has virtually no lift from his back foot when he swings, and most of his HRs are all hands. He has incredible bat/wrist speed, so he even is able to drive pitches where he’s fooled.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Aug 14, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the crouch

it’s not so much that his crouch will hurt him in and of itself, but that as the years progress and the wear and tear of playing 9 months of baseball per year take their toll on his body, getting into and out of that crouch will seem like a chore all by itself…..

i also noticed the same thing in his power, but not in a good manner….many hitters have come along over the years with the next “hank aaron wrists” or “bodybuilder guns” and had a season or two of success….sustained power hitting success comes from a swing generating power through the legs

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

by biggentleben on Aug 16, 2008 7:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

very good

remember, that ballpark he plays in is a homerun haven. He should be a 25-30 homer guy consistently.

by bravitos5122 on Aug 14, 2008 12:20 PM EDT   0 recs

that may be the case, but it’s not like he’s not hitting on the road: .910 OPS vs. .983 at home

I don’t think anyone expected him to be this good, but the overall perception of Quentin was that he could be a .280/.380/.500+ type of guy with 25-30 homers. I was really rooting for the Indians to trade for him in the offseason …..

by JP_Frost on Aug 14, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he's legit

this is no fluke. he looked like a complete hitter throughout college and the minor and even had an impressive 30-50 game debut in the majors. take away last year’s injury-ravaged year and he’s been a stud. i don’t know if he’ll lead the league in homer and hit 40-plus every year but i think he’ll be a .300 hitter with 30 homers and 100 rbis for many years to come. and as an earlier poster pointed out, he is in a great hiting ball park, which will help keep his numbers up.

by joltinjoe on Aug 14, 2008 2:15 PM EDT   0 recs

He's this good

Quentin is going to be a .280/.380/.520 guy for years. AZ better hope Chris Carter works out, because otherwise this one will look very bad for Josh Byrnes for a long time.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Aug 14, 2008 2:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Um

Duh…obviously CC is in Oakland now…we’ll never know how key CC was to getting Haren, but it certainly seems like Byrnes has some egg on his face from this deal.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Aug 14, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The only surprising thing about this year is his HR rate

Everything else – his walks, strikeouts, even XBH rate – is in line with what he did in the minor leagues. If anything, his BABIP is a little low which means his batting average might go up next year. In the minors, though, he never seemed like more than a 25 home run hitter – now he might hit 40. If you compare this season to his 2005 season in AAA, he’s hitting an almost identical number of extrabase hits, with the only difference that about 12 doubles have become homers. Even assuming that never happens again, that is a fluke, then this numbers would dip to a .280/380/.500, still very very good.

If you look at his home/away splits, he has 19 homers at home while only 13 on the road. The 13 homers on the road looks about like what he used to do, so it’s possible that the bump is simply a function of his new park, which means he could continue on this pace if he isn’t traded. But I’m not certain if you even need to rely on that. Carlos Quentin is now 25 years old, and it isn’t exactly unprecedented for a 22 year old who hit a lot of doubles to become a 25 year old who hits a lot of home runs. To give one example, when Alex Rodriguez was 20, he hit 36 home runs and 54 doubles. When he was 25, he hit 52 homers and 34 doubles. Players develop. Carlos Quentin might very well just be an example of that

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by OldProspects on Aug 14, 2008 2:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Nice

I am glad to see I commented that he could hit .280 with 30 bombs. Not looking like a bad prediction now!!!

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by King Billy Royal on Aug 14, 2008 2:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Kenny Williams

Yeah, just re-read the comments and noticed that too. Nice call! BTW, did you see KW’s quote on this:

“I thought he could be a 30-home run guy,” Williams recently told the Sporting News, “just not by August.”

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Aug 14, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Kenny is nothing if not amusing.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Aug 14, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

.380 OBP??

I think Quentin is very likely to have an OBP well over .380 many times in his career. Walking and getting hit both go up for quite a few years, and he had an OBP of .069 in the minors – just considering the HBP’s!

by BobbyMac on Aug 14, 2008 3:51 PM EDT   0 recs

OBP

Yeah, we’ll see. He’s at .380 right now, and the OP was asking whether he could keep this up (although that’s probably more directed at the SLG than the OBP). My point was only that I do think he will keep it up.

Regarding HBP, I wouldn’t be surprised to see that slow down as the coaches convince him to stop taking so many HBPs. It can create some problems (as we’re seeing right now, with the games off), and it’s not exactly something you want your best hitter to do all the time.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Aug 14, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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