Shapiro Called The Mets About CC

by Duece on Jul 8, 2008 8:58 AM EDT

Yeah, that's right. Metsblog.com is reporting that before the Indians shipped left handed pitcher CC Sabathia to the Brewers, Indians GM Mark Shapiro called Omar Minaya and expressed interest in sending the big left hander to the Mets. The trade would of most likely consisted of prized prospects Fernando Martinez, Jon Niese, and possibly Eddie Kunz or a lesser prospect such as a Carp/Murphy/Evans.

This is why I feel like scouts overrate how bad the Mets farm system is. They've been saying since the Santana trade that the Mets don't have anything left and won't be able to make a big splash at the trade deadline. Now, I think that the Mets WON'T make a big splash at the trade deadline, not because they don't have the prospects, but because they can't afford to trade their prospects.

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Correction

I believe it was Fernando and Niese/Kunz not both of them.

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by Metty5 on Jul 8, 2008 9:17 AM EDT 0 recs

I don't think

scouts have said a whole lot regarding what the Mets system can do. You don’t often see the “unnamed scout” making judgements or analyses on whole systems.

I think you’re conflating what “analysts” (BA, BP, Law, ESPN, ect) or “random know-it-alls”(random bloggers, ect) are saying vs. actual scouts.

by nms on Jul 8, 2008 9:52 AM EDT 0 recs

the problem with that

is that idiot parrots like olney and rosenthal always preface every one of their dumb thoughts with “an unnamed scout told me…” or “an insider has informed me…”

granted, i only believe that they’ve actually spoken to said scout about 50% of the time…

but either way, why should i listen to these scouts anyway? the majority of scouts are lucky to even sign major league bench players let alone stars….so why should i care what some guy whose career highlight is signing daryl ward thinks about the mets farm system?

the poster is ABSOLUTELY right, this whole ‘killing the mets farm system’ fad has gone way overboard…criticism is warranted but not nearly to the unanimous degree that i see and hear EVERYWHERE (including people who don’t know crap about the minors, which is always funny)

i seem to remember the ‘kill the mets santana package’ gaining quite a bit of steam too among analysts and fans alike…suddely gomez is a star in the making, mulvey is intriguing and that hack buster olney is writing articles about why the mets are a joke because they OVERpaid for santana

PS – my comments reminded me about how during the johan sweepstakes it was a universally accepted truth (again among analysts and fans alike) that melky was a superior player than carlos gomez…nice call dopes

by robcast23 on Jul 8, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up 0 recs

LOL

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on Jul 9, 2008 4:57 AM EDT up 0 recs

if i'm the indians

i’d much prefer laporta alone over fernando and niese/kunz

by Wheelhouse on Jul 8, 2008 10:02 AM EDT 0 recs

Disagree completely.

I’m a Mets fan. Their system is terrible. It seems like they had a nice draft this year which is encouraging.

I mean really Kunz? is he getting someone that excited? Minor relievers striking out less than one per inning with poor walk rates?

Jon Niese? he’s a nice piece who gets more attention than he should because of A) the team he plays for and B) the lack of other talent in the Mets system.

I’ll readily admit, I’m not an FMart fan. I get that he’s young and in AA, but all he’s done that you can say would be a positive marker is his BA this year. Could he get better? sure, but I’m not really seeing it at this point.

The Mets system mostly made up of folks who i feel could be fringe minor leaguers.

by benzalman on Jul 8, 2008 10:44 AM EDT 0 recs

I hate that..

“NY BIAS” is bullshit.. NY BIAS hurts prospects more then they help them. If Jon Niese got more attention because the team that he plays for then why didn’t he make the all-star team with 3.1 ERA?

This is Kunz’s first full year in pro ball and he’s in double A. Face it, he’s a sinkerball pitcher, and his secondary pitches aren’t refined yet, he’s obviously not going to be striking out the world. The guy is near the lead in the Eastern League in Saves and has been pitching better lately.

Their is some talent in AA like F-Mart (sorry if your not high on him) Niese and Kunz.. then lesser prospects, but still prospects in Murphy/Carp/Evans, but the real talent in lower in the system.

The problem with the Mets is that they rush all of their players so they don’t get a chance to put up huge seasons and get on the radar screen? should Ruben Tejada be hitting .258 as an 17-18 year old in A+? Hell No.. He should be hitting around .300 in Savannah or maybe a short season team.

The draft picks are def. encouraging, but if you look lower you have guys like Flores, Welch, and Marte. I know their young and pretty far away but your telling me a 16 year old who got comparisons to Miggy after being signed, who is hitting .400 with power in a league in which the average age is 3-5 years older isn’t impressive?

Honestly, I’m not alone, I feel like people completely overrate how bad the Mets farm system is and I’ll stick by that.

by Duece on Jul 8, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up 0 recs

it's just a different take

who thought people could be civil here, right? We’re setting a trend!

Kunz is basically middle relief prospect A – nothing to get excited about.

a 3.10 era is nothing to jump up and down about IMO. his K’s are decent, but it is also a pitchers league. I wonder where he’d rank in every other organization. My guess is 6-15.

Tejada is intriguing, but i feel like most organizations have a young latin player that compares to Vlad, Miggy or Felix. Some of them will pan out, most wont. Is Tejada good? I’m hopeful, but if he’s one of the centerpieces of your system, your system likely is just not very good.

Also, as a lifelong Met fan, I just dont have a lot of faith in their ability to develop players. How many more Jay Payton’s, Alex Escobar’s, Bill Pulsipher’s and the like will come and go. Think about it. Before Wright (a first round pick, was expected to be solid and has exceeded expectations) and Reyes, who was the last good hitter the Mets developed? Strawberry? Dare i say Gregg Jeffries? maybe you’re into Mike Jacobs? Melvin Mora???

The Mets are too sucked into playing the FA game and that worked years ago. They need to buck up, go above slot and get some young talent.

Prior to this draft, I would have felt comfortable saying that their system is one of the five worst in baseball. Probably right around 25. I was generally into their draft this year and hope that it improves their standing.

I specifically like Brad Holt. But that’s because it turns into an arrested development reference…

I digress.

by benzalman on Jul 8, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up 0 recs

Edgardo Alfonzo

Not a great Mets fan after all, are you?

by Lunkwill Fook on Jul 8, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up 0 recs

ha.

Do you just think i’m pretending to be a Mets fan for fun?

Let’s be serious for a second. Alfonzo was a nice player. He had four years as an above avrage regular. This includes 2000, when he was awesome.

Four years does not a great hitter make. Look at his career comps. Baerga? Randa? If that’s the feather in your cap as far as developing a hitter (or player in general) over the last fifteen years, than you need to look in the proverbial mirror and ask if that’s something worth getting excited about. Compar him with the best hitter (or second best) that other teams have brought up.

by benzalman on Jul 8, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up 0 recs

if you can't appreciate edgardo alfonzo

you’re not a mets fan

by robcast23 on Jul 8, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up 0 recs

Agreed.

First of all, you didn’t say “Hall of Fame career”. Edgardo Alfonzo was a stellar talented that had a number of EXCELLENT season for the Mets and was entirely home grown. Just because he ended up with a back injury that destroyed his career changes nothing.

And then before that, Todd Hundley. But you’ll say his career was short also. So I’ll just give up now since you already pooped on Mora and Mike Jacobs.

by Lunkwill Fook on Jul 9, 2008 10:30 AM EDT up 0 recs

what exactly is the matter with trashing on Mike Jacobs?

He sucks. Just flat out sucks. He is a horrible defender with a bad bat for his posiiton

by nms on Jul 9, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up 0 recs

Jacobs

The man can slug with the best of them so he’s not entirely useless. Not a great player, no, but useful.

by Lunkwill Fook on Jul 9, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up 0 recs

It is really funny

A guy in his 3 full season who is on pace to hit 30+ hr’s this year flat out sucks? Really?

In addition – he is a .280 hitter away from Dolphin stadium which could mean he would have more success if not playing in that park.

He is at the bottom of the league defensively but I will tell you that a 1B that is developing 30+ HR power who can hit .250-280 is not equal to a player who sucks.

Ross Gload sucks. Mike Jacobs, on his current production curve could end up putting together a nice MLB career. Just because he is not headed for the HOF does not mean he sucks. He wasn’t going to get a chance in NY with Delgado so the Mets traded him but he is still developing at age 27.

You need to analyze the stats a lot better before making random comments that a player sucks. I think most MLB players would be happy to be on pace to hit 30+ HR’s at age 27.

by slickwdb on Jul 10, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

that is all he does

he is a stiff, slow 100-110 OPS+ 1b mistake hitter who can’t field his position, currently has a sub-.300 OBP.
And he really is one of the worst defensive 1bs I have seen in the last few years, among guys who were actual 1bs (not DHs, C, 3Bs or OFs playing out of position). Simply brutal. Can’t field a grounder with any zip or hops on it, can’t catch any throw that isn’t right at him, and doesn’t move well in bunt coverage.

A first-baseman who can do NOTHING on a baseball field besides hit 30 homers really is not that good of a player. His power makes him useful in a reserve or platoon role but he is a poor starting 1b.
Jeff Francoeur hit 29 homers two years ago, but put up a sub-300 OBP and a 750 OPS while he was doing it. I don’t think any amound of “analyzing the stats” could tell you that that was a good offensive year.
Because it wasn’t regardless of the solid HR production.

And don’t tell me what I need to “analyze” before I post, thanks.

If anything, you might need to do that if you think reaching a counting stat threshold in home-runs, at the most offense-heavy position, guarantees that a player is any good.

by nms on Jul 10, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up 0 recs

By your logic

Hunter Pence sucks since his OBP is .300 with a .260 avg
Jeff Kent sucks since his opb is .311 with .260 avg
Cano sucks since his opb is .289 with a 253 avg
S. Drew sucks since his obp is .292 with a 253 avg

In the case of Drew, Cano and Pence – these are all players with hitting skills who are underperforming. Jacobs average is lower than it should be but his OBP will alway be about 40-50 higher than his average until he starts becoming a 30+ hr guy which will get him more walks as a hitter and probably improve his OBP by 20-30 pts which happens a lot of times with players who’s power numbers continue to improve.

His average will end up at .260 and obp around .320 which is not great but is hardly “sucky.”

And again, his power numbers are improving each year so there is nothing to say that he has even reached his best – he is 27 years old. Sucky is playing Rich Aurilia at 1B or paying Richie Sexson a ton of money. Jacobs has an OPS about as good as young Prince right now.

by slickwdb on Jul 10, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up 0 recs

i think you answered

your own question when you said:
“In the case of Drew, Cano and Pence – these are all players with hitting skills who are underperforming.”
Exactly. These guys are underperforming.
I think alot of fans of these player’s teams would say those players are “sucking” right now. I know that many Dodgers and Yankees fans have said that about Kent and Cano.

Jacobs on the other hand is putting up the best OPS of his career (outside of his steller 100 AB stint in 05) and still is not very good.
Saying that one player, at a career best, is doing as well as a player who is underachieving sounds more like an insult to the guy having a career year.

Jacobs average is lower than it should be

I don’t know what you mean here. If you mean, lower than a 1Bs should be.. than yes.
If by “lower than it should be”, you mean to say this years BA is a fluke than no.
He is a .265 hitter whose strikeout rate as risen every year. It is no surprise his BA is down to .250 and his OBP down to .290.

I also find your idea that is OBP will magically jump the second he hits the magic 30 homer mark to be a little far-fetched. I guess your theory is that once pitchers see “30 HR” next to his name they will suddenly fear him, despite his inability to hit a good pitch. I find this doubtful. Jacobs has been in the league 3-4 years now. I’m sure everyone knows he has power by now, and pitches him accordingly. Hitting 30 HRs won’t magically transform him.

but his OBP will alway be about 40-50 higher than his average until he starts becoming a 30+ hr guy which will get him more walks as a hitter and probably improve his OBP by 20-30 pts which happens a lot of times with players who’s power numbers continue to improve.

His average will end up at .260 and obp around .320 which is not great but is hardly "sucky."

I don’t see why this “will” happen. It is possible that his average will end at .260, since that is close to his career avg and just 10 points away from where he has at now. On the other hand, his strikeout rate only keeps climbing year by year, as you would expect with his raised homer rate. It is also likely that his BA will stay where it is at or drop because of that rising K rate.
However, his season OBP jumping 30 points from now to Sept seems unlikely. He would have to put up a .360 OBP from here on out.
More importantly, I don’t see how you saying “This players numbers will end up as (x)” is any sort of compelling arguement. What if I say Jacobs numbers end up as .255/.295/.515, numbers that are a reasonable expectation? Just saying what we think will happen does not equal supporting facts for an argument

by nms on Jul 11, 2008 2:01 AM EDT up 0 recs

furthermore

You say:
And again, his power numbers are improving each year so there is nothing to say that he has even reached his best – he is 27 years old.

His HRs are improving, yes, but his OPB, walks and BA are dropping and he is striking out more. This is natural as a player gains power but usually, even as his HRs and Ks rise, his walks and OBP rise as well. For Jacobs only his power has improved and everything else has become more crap.

Also, he could continue to improve but it is probably more likely that he will not. 27 is right in the middle of the range where a players peak is expected to be.

And you slam Aurilia but Aurilia is actually hitting just as well as Jacobs right now… maybe better. Jacobs OPS+ is 7 points better but Aurilia’s BA and OBP are about 35-40 points higher and also happening in a pitchers park. Their RC/G are identical and I believe their EQAs are similar too.

And, again, you compare Jacobs at his best to Fielder at his worst but Fielder is STILL having a better year.

by nms on Jul 11, 2008 2:13 AM EDT up 0 recs

27 is not peak

Most players that have more than a 3 year career are only in their 3rd full season by age 27. For a 10 year career – year 3 or 4 is the beginning of a 2-3 year peak.

Fielder had a great season last year but this year is in line with his rookie year so what he is doing now may not be that far off his production level because he is in his 4th year so how much better could he get?

My point is, and always has been, he doesn’t suck. There are a lot of teams that would be happy to have a 30+ HR guy. Cleveland was hoping that Garko would be as good as Jacobs but we see how well that is going. Adam Laroche, Richie Sexson and Kevin Milar are also working out well for their respective teams. The list continues and Jacobs falls right in the middle of the pack when it comes to total package. He is no where near top flight but he is hardly the useless, crappy bench player you are trying to make him out to be.

by slickwdb on Jul 11, 2008 8:40 AM EDT up 0 recs

haha

what?
So years in MLB is the only thing that matters for projections?

Fielder is 24 is year, Jacobs 27. That is a big difference. That they have similar service time really means little considering the large difference in age.
If you actually think that Jacobs and Fielder are at similar points in their careers due to service time there really is no point in me wasting my time conversing with you.

And I didn’t just pull 27 out of my ass. It has been pretty well established that a guys career curve plateaus out around there.
Yeah, some guy do have the peaks of their careers at 33 but some also have their peaks at 25. It isn’t an iron certainty, but 27 yo MLBers typically do not improve a whole lot from that point onwards.
Now, I’m not saying it is all downhill from there.. it isn’t obviously, players often stay “as good”, there just typically is not a whole lot of improvement

by nms on Jul 11, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up 0 recs

you guys are good

I appreciate Edgardo Alfonzo as much as the next guy. I’m a Mets fan. get over that part.

I love the stellar logic behind “If you can’t appreciate Edgardo Alfonzo (which I do), you’re not a Mets fan (which I am).

By the way, you’re also not a Met’s fan unless you’re six feet tall.

Edgardo Alfonzo had exactly one excellent season. He also had three other very good ones.

Again if he’s the feather in your cap, you’re in trouble. Hundley was a excellent for four years. Incidentally he was an above league average hitter in exactly four years. Just go look at his OPS +. I’ll link you:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hundlto01.shtml

while you’re at it, look at Alfonzo:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/alfoned01.shtml

Really fellas, put down the pom poms and look at it. The Met’s aren’t that good at developing players. We’ve pointed out a few league average players who you are golrifying because they had a few great peak years.

I was bummed when the mets didnt resign alfonzo. How did that one work out.
The Mets don’t develop top talent very often. Reyes and Wright are much more the exception than the rule.

Also, one is clearly not a Mets fan is they disagree with my post. (get it, it’s a joke?)

by benzalman on Jul 9, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up 0 recs

Look

You’re talking about completely different things here and, therefore, making no sense whatsoever. FIgure out what you’re asking:

Is the question “Do the Mets develop top talent” or is it “Do the Mets develop players that have excellent careers”?

Alfonzo was a top talent. He had at least 3 good to great years by my count, by the way. Regardless, he was a top talent that hurt his back early in his career. Does that mean the Mets didn’t develop him? No.

Hundley was a top talent. He hit a bunch of homeruns for the Mets. Did his career last long? No. Was he a top talent the Mets developed? Yes.

See, the problem here isn’t that you’re not a Mets fan. It’s that you’re a typical Mets fan that craps on the team when it’s convenient for you. Have the Mets generated the kind of talent that, say, the Marlins have in the past decade? Undoubtedly not. But to ignore talent the Mets HAVE generated just to prove a point is a little annoying.

by Lunkwill Fook on Jul 9, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up 0 recs

rrrright.

Well, I’d keep in mind that you really have no idea who I am and when I do or do not “crap on the mets”.

I’d look at it a bit differently. I have the ability to put the orange and blue pom poms down and look at it objectively.

I think your use of the term Top Talent is relative. I dont feel that Edgardo was a “top talent”. I feel like he was a nice player who had a few good and one great years. Injury or not, his numbers are what they are.

Hundley had four excellent years where he was probably the top offensive catcher in baseball.

I would say that the mets, in general, don’t develop a ton of either top talent or players who have excellent careers. Interestingly, thats not something that one can just say when it’s convenient for them. It’s something you can look at over the history of their franchise. Again, if you want to get all excited about Mora, Jacobs and even a Preston Wilson, be my guest. Those players to me on the whole we’re league average regulars with nice peaks (just look at their OPS +).

Before David Wright, where was their Biggio, Berkman, Bagwell? (tough example, I know). What about Chipper/Andruw? What about Posada, Jeter & Bernie? What about even a Morneau/Hunter/Mauer? Even the expos/nats developed some great hitters. The Mets have just had their first two in a looooong time.

Are you really that excited about their prospects? If so, let me know where they sell that kool-aid, id love to try some. I’d trade their system for most others in the minors…

Note, the whole post without a personal attack. wild, right?

by benzalman on Jul 9, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up 0 recs

Alfonzo

Yeah, sorry. I should have just been condescending. My bad.

I’m sorry you don’t feel Alfonzo was top talent. I’m certain 90% of fans out there disagree with you and we’ll just leave it at that. This whole conversation is colored by that, unfortunately.

Biggio, Berkman, and Bagwell were generated so far apart, it’s ridiculous. 1988, 1991 (not developed in the Astros system, by the way, was Bagwell), and 1999. Chipper and Andruw? Try 1993 and 1996 (and that’s only helped by the fact that Atlanta rushed the hell out of Andruw or he might not have hit .231). Morneau and Mauer are closer (not Hunter, for God’s sake) but it also helps that the Twins routinely trade off a lot of talent for prospects which accelerates their farm system.

Posasa, Jeter, and Bernie were something special. When that kind of core happens at the same time, you win 4 World Series in 5 years. Are you really going to use that kind of a benchmark?

And I can’t believe you use the Nats as an example. Yes, they were good at developing talent in the early 90’s but they haven’t develop a talent other than Zimmerman in YEARS (and he really hasn’t quite developed either). Certainly a worse track record than the Mets in the last decade.

Am I excited about the Mets prospects? Some of them, yes. Do I think any of them are guaranteed slam dunk prospects like David Wright? No. I HOPE they become so but I can’t really put money on them. Certainly Fernando is giving us optimism every day (when he’s not injured, unfortunately).

You just, honestly, have very unreasonable expectations of your team and I’m sorry to be a fellow Mets fan with you. This decade the Mets have developed Wright and Reyes (two once in a generation players), Kazmir (hate to be the reminder but they did), and could, within the next year or so, be responsible for exciting young players like Lastings Milledge, Carlos Gomez, Mike Pelfrey (yes, he’s starting to unveil that promise), and by the end of the decade Fernando Martinez. And I’m sure there’s someone I’m forgetting.

It might not be the 1996 Yankees but, if that’s not good enough for you, I’m sorry. You’re just going to be disappointed for a long time.

by Lunkwill Fook on Jul 9, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up 0 recs

yeah.

we’re just two different types of fans I guess. I think I’m fair about the mets. They’re not a top team this year and I think they’re in for a few .500 type years. If and when they develop talent the way other organizations have, they would be able to turn it around much quicker.

I also disagree about the Alfonzo bit. I dont think 90% of fans would agree with you. I’m 100% sure you made that percentage up.

With the Nats, they developed Vlad. That’s good enough for me.

Anyway, It’ll be interesting to see where the mets wind up in organizational rankings in things like BA and BP and also John’s take.

Time always has a way of settling these things.

by benzalman on Jul 9, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up 0 recs

engage everyone

Of course the Indians called the Mets. I’m sure they called the Red Sox and Yankees and Dodgers and every other team with lots of money and/or a chance to compete this year.

The more people they had involved in the discussions, the more they could possibly get for Sabathia.

That doesn’t mean the Mets system isn’t depleted.

by Galt on Jul 8, 2008 11:44 AM EDT 0 recs

"This is why I feel like scouts overrate how bad the Mets farm system is"

Uh, if they made this trade, they’d have hardly anything left. Of course they can trade F-Mart, but that doesn’t mean they should.

by number_twentyone on Jul 8, 2008 12:23 PM EDT 0 recs

read

I said the same thing in the post

“Now, I think that the Mets WON’T make a big splash at the trade deadline, not because they don’t have the prospects, but because they can’t afford to trade their prospects.”

by Duece on Jul 8, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up 0 recs

but it's still a terrible point

If the system wasn’t bad, you could afford to make that trade.

by number_twentyone on Jul 8, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up 0 recs

I would not trade Martinez if I were the Mets

He showed me why he’s a top 25 prospect in Binghamton.

by Bravesin07 on Jul 8, 2008 2:03 PM EDT 0 recs

He looks like Delmon Young to me

decent power, but his approach at the plate is horrifying.

by number_twentyone on Jul 8, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up 0 recs

He has a better eye than Young

Martinez worked a 2-2 into a walk, something Young never does. Young doesn’t hit opposite field homers either.

by Bravesin07 on Jul 8, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up 0 recs

he hit a homerun when you saw him

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by Metty5 on Jul 9, 2008 10:11 AM EDT up 0 recs

I don't see how this contradicts anything

The consensus on the Mets system has always been, “Well, FMart is still a top guy… but other than that, there’s not much”

So the Brewers wanted… FMart and some filler/potential? Sounds a lot like what we already knew the Mets had. (And not that much different from what the Brewers gave up. Except the Brewers have a bunch of other top 100 guys. Which the Mets don’t.)

by mraver on Jul 8, 2008 3:08 PM EDT 0 recs

I agree with Duece

The Mets system’s lack of talent is overrated but mainly because their talent is at the lower levels of the minor leagues. When taking a look at the Mets system their AAA team does not have a single prospect, they are made up of older players who could fill in the majors for a couple of games, nothing more.

In the coming years however the Mets system will become deeper and deeper and the overall depth of the talent will surprise many people. So while they may not have the big time prospects at the moment, they have several guys capable of being very solid prospects at their lower levels. Obviously you have to wait and see how they develop but the Mets are close to the top in lower level talent in the league, they just dont have nearly enough prospects at the higher levels at the moment.

Here’s a breakdown of how the Mets system could stack up next year from Scout.com

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=228&f=1381&t=2644506

by Kazmir2657 on Jul 8, 2008 4:53 PM EDT 0 recs

Everyone has those guys

In fact, I’d bet on the Mets to get the least out of their current low minors guys. Why? They’ll rush all of them and ruin their development.

by number_twentyone on Jul 8, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up 0 recs

I love it

The Mets rush a few players and suddenly they rush EVERYBODY OMG!!!!

The truth is, no other team in baseball has ever ever rushed a player.

by Lunkwill Fook on Jul 9, 2008 10:37 AM EDT up 0 recs

the mets rush tons of players..

Gomez, Pelfrey, Milledge, F-Mart, Pena, Tejada, Lagares off the top of the dome

by Duece on Jul 9, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up 0 recs

Rushing players

Gomez and Milledge were “rushed” because the Mets had 6 outfielders on the DL. They were both supposed to be in the minors but it couldn’t be helped. Doesn’t that mean the Twins are rushing Gomez RIGHT NOW?

I still don’t see why anyone thinks F-Mart was rushed. He’s hit at every level he’s been at, injuries notwithstanding. Do you see them rushing him up to AAA right now? No. They’re obviously waiting for him to show them something.

I don’t necessarily buy Pena as rush either. Tejada I could see but, at the same time, he seems to be coming around.

by Lunkwill Fook on Jul 9, 2008 1:00 PM EDT 0 recs

question

a 16 year old in the SAL league isn’t rushing a player? It’s not like he was a phenomenal defensive player with all the tools, he was a big, fat, kid who was still learning to play the game, and had no business playing in Savannah.

by Duece on Jul 9, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up 0 recs