Organizational Prospect Depth Chart
A good way to see an Organization's real strength is to look at what it has and what it does not. An organization may look strong with top prospects, for example, but if the are all at one position, it definitely hurts quite a bit; a system full for good 1B prospects is kind of useless, after all, when all you really need is one or two of them in the Majors.
So give your Organization's Prospect Depth Chart.
- Limit your players to True and Top Prospects, leaving out what is commonly regarded as organizational filler or injury depth.
- You may use players that are in the majors as long as they have less than 1 Year of MLB Service Time.
- List the player's Position, Age, Current Playing Level (Rk, SS, A, A+, AA, AAA, MLB).
- If possible, provide the players Batting or Pitching line for the levels they've played in this year, along with their # of AB's or IP.
- Feel free to assign reasonable grades to the prospects (using John Sickle's Prospect Grades might be a good idea), as well as any comments or information on the prospect, such as upside or probability of sticking at that position.
Positions
- Catcher
- First Base/Designated Hitter
- Second Base
- Third Base
- Short Stop
- Corner Outfield
- Center field
- Starting Pitcher
- Relief Pitcher/Closer
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Comments
Using a bit of a modified system that lists pre-arbitration players (ie, anyone that will be around for the next three seasons).
Atlanta Braves
Catcher
- Brian McCann, 24 (MLB)
- Daniel Matra, 19 (GCL) 350/365/484 1:6 BB/K 1/1 SB
First Base
- Casey Kotchman, 25 (MLB)
- Kala Kaaihue, 23 (AA) 263/401/447 64:95 BB/K 0/3 SB
- Tyler Flowers, 22 (High A) 274/419/451 79:84 BB/K 6/13 SB
- Freddie Freeman, 18 (Low A) 318/374/543 35:63 BB/K 4/9 SB
Second Base
- Kelly Johnson, 26 (MLB)
Third Base
- Eric Campbell, 22 (High A) 253/345/475 27:35 BB/K 2/3 SB
- Jon Gilmore, 19 (Rookie) 268/293/362 9:38 BB/K 1/3 SB between Rookie and Low A
Short Stop
- Yunel Escobar, 25 (MLB)
- Brett Lillibridge, 24 (AAA) 218/281/316 19:59 BB/K 15/20 SB also played in MLB
- Brandon Hicks, 22 (High A) 230/327/469 39:112 BB/K 12/14 SB
Corner Outfield
- Jeff Francoeur, 24 (MLB)
- Brandon Jones, 24 (AAA) 249/328/368 33:66 BB/K 6/11 SB also played in MLB
- Jason Heyward, 18 (Low A) 318/369/469 41:67 BB/K 15/16 SB
- Cody Johnson, 19 (Low A) 247/304/438 31:149 BB/K 8/10 SB
Center field
- Gregor Blanco, 24 (MLB)
- Jordan Schafer, 21 (AA) 242/366/389 36:59 BB/K 8/12 SB
- Gorkys Hernandez, 20 (High A) 282/369/422 35:53 BB/K 11/14 SB
Starting Pitcher
- Jair Jurrjens, 22 (MLB)
- Jo-Jo Reyes, 23 (MLB)
- Charlie Morton, 24 (MLB)
- Tommy Hanson, 21 (AA)
- Kris Medlen, 22 (AA)
- Jeff Locke, 20 (Low A)
- Chad Rodgers, 20 (Low A)
- Cole Rohrbaugh, 21 (Low A)
- Erik Cordier, 20 (Low A)
- Jose Ortegano, 20 (Low A)
- Edgar Osuna, 20 (Low A)
- Steve Evarts, 20 (Low A) – Injured
- Cory Rasmus, 20 (GCL) – Inactive
- Brett Oberholtzer, 19 (GCL)
- Brett DeVall, 18 (GCL)
- Zeke Spruill, 18 (GCL)
- Tyler Stovall, 18 (GCL)
- Julio Teheran, 17 (Rookie) – Inactive
Relief Pitcher
- Stephen Marek, 25 (AA)
- Cory Gearrin, 22 (High A)
- Benino Pruneda, 20 (Low A)
- Craig Kimbrel, 20 (Rookie)
Closer
- None
by 17843 on Jul 30, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good idea on the Pre-Arby players
My intention was, as you seemed to have guessed, to show the long term health of the organizations and show prospects who will be up in the future, or blocked as well.
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by Zonis on Jul 30, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Chuck James?
Pre-arb, I think, and still in the mix.
by parish on Jul 31, 2008 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no Flowers?
how do you post a Braves’ depth chart and not even include catcher Tyler Flowers? He would slot in just behind McCann.
by psugator on Jul 31, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At first base
He’s got him at first base rather than catcher.
by parish on Jul 31, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yankees
Catcher
- Jesus Montero, 18 (Low A) – .309/.358/.451, 395 ABs
- Francisco Cervelli, 22 (High A) – injured most of the year, just 10 ABs
- Austin Romine, 19 (Low A) – .275/.313/.404, 287 ABs
First base
- Juan Miranda, 25 (AAA) – .289/.374/.430, 256 ABs
- Brandon Laird, 20 (Low A) – .263/.316/.444, 342 ABs, loads of power
Second base
- Justin Snyder, 22 (Low A) – .289/.356/.410, 388 ABs
- Prilys Cuello, 19 (Low A) – only 48 ABs this year, but loads of potential and raw ability
- Damon Sublett, 22 (High A) – .263/.364/.375, 160 ABs
Shortstop
- Carmen Angelini, 19 (Low A) – .241/.299/.291, 361 ABs. Underwhelming rookie season but a lot of upside with this kid, great tools and great leadership and attitude.
- Eduardo Nunez, 21 (High A) – .256/.296/.380, 266 ABs. Has been hyped for a number of years now, never seeming to really break through yet.
- Ramiro Pena, 23 (AA) – .272/.332/.366, 382 ABs
Third base
- Bradley Suttle, 22 (Low A) – .282/.354/.472, 248 ABs
- Marcos Vechionacci, 21 (AA) – .302/.387/.396, 53 ABs, injury problems
Corner outfield
- Colin Curtis, 23 (AA) – .257/.337/.349, 393 ABs
- Kevin De Leon, 17 (DSL) – .289/.389/.488, 166 ABs
- Eduardo Sosa, 17 (DSL) – .326/.416/.503, 187 ABs
Centerfield
- Austin Jackson, 21 (AA) – .292/.372/.444, 421 ABs
- Brett Gardner, 24 (AAA) – .281/.404/.418, 292 ABs
- Abraham Almonte, 19 (Low A) – .229/.300/.355, 341 ABs. Hit .114 in July to really bring down his overall numbers, but was having a nice season
- Carlos Urena, 18 (DSL) – 375/.407/.667, just 24 ABs
Starting pitchers
- Ian Kennedy, 23 (AAA). Cashman said he has to earn his spot back, and all hes done is post a 2.06 ERA with a 0.86 WHIP in AAA, he will be back in the Bronx replacing Ponson really soon.
- Dellin Betances, 20 (Low A)
- Zach McAllister, 20 (High A)
- Jairo Heredia, 18 (Low A)
- Christian Garcia, 22 (High A)
- Alan Horne, 25 (AAA) – Injury problems all year
- Alfredo Aceves, 25 (AAA) – Signed out of the Mexican league, could be in the Bronx VERY shortly
- George Kontos, 23 (AA)
- Ivan Nova, 21 (High A)
- Ryan Pope, 22 (High A)
- Wilkins De La Rosa, 23 (Low A). Beginning to draw interest around the majors, recently was changed to pitcher and has ridiculous numbers so far.
- Arodys Vizcaino, 17 (GCL). Going to rise up the Yankees’ list quickly in the next two years or so.
- Manuel Banuelos, 17 (GCL)
Relief pitchers / closer
- Mark Melancon, 23 (AAA). Just promoted to AAA, completely dominating the minors coming off TJ surgery in his first season of pro ball, arguably the top relief pitching prospect in the minors
- JB Cox, 24 (AAA)
by tmacdaman1 on Jul 30, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Starting Pitchers
-Jeff Marquez, 23, AAA (6-7, 4.69)
http://yankeesmtom.blogspot.com/
by hallofamer2000 on Jul 30, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Sanchez
or Whelan? They should be in the relief options, as should Coke, Wright, and a lot of other names.
by number_twentyone on Jul 30, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Few More Guys
Relief Pitchers
Edwar Ramirez (27) MLB
Jose Veras (27) MLB
David Robertson (23) MLB
Chris Britton (25) AAA
Brian Bruney (26) MLB
Anthony Claggett (24) AA
Kevin Whelan (24) AA
Starting Pitchers
Phil Coke (26) AAA
Chase Wright (25) AAA
Jhonny Nunez (22) AA
Second Base
Matt Cusick (22) A+
http://yankeesmtom.blogspot.com/
by hallofamer2000 on Aug 1, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SF Giants
I was too lazy to look up their batting/pitching lines, but I did give them all grades. Some of em might be biased cause I’m a Giants fan, but whatever.
Catcher
Steve Holm, 28 (MLB) C-
Eliezer Alfonzo, 29 (AAA) C-
Pablo Sandoval, 22 (AA) B
Buster Posey, 21 (hasn’t signed yet, but probably will) A
1B
John Bowker, 24 (MLB) B/B+
Dan Ortmeier, 27 (MLB; he was in the majors but he broke his hand and is currently rehabing) B-
Travis Ishikawa, 24 (AAA)C+
Andy D’Alessio, 23 (A+) C
Angel Villalona, 17 (A; possibly the Giants top prospect. He’s a 17 year old playing against 21+ year olds so his stats don’t look that great, but he has tons of power.) A-
2B
Kevin Frandsen, 26 (MLB; tore his achilles tendon, so he won’t be back until next year) B-
Eugenio Velez, 26 (MLB; can play pretty much anywhere, but he’s seeing the most time at 2nd) C
Travis Denker, 22 (AAA) C+
Matt Downs, 24 (AAA) C+
Nick Noonan, 19 (A) B-
SS
Emmanuel Burriss, 23 (MLB) B-
Ivan Ochoa,25 (MLB) C+
Brian Bocock, 23 (AAA) C-
Brandon Crawford, 21 (hasn’t signed yet) B-
3B
Conor Gillaspie, 21 (hasn’t signed yet) B-
Kind of a desolate farm system as far as 3rd basemen go.
CF
Antoan Richardson, 24 (AA) C+
Darren Ford, 22 (A+) C-
Corner OF
Fred Lewis, 27 (MLB) B/B+
Nate Schierholtz, 25 (AAA) B
Roger Kieschnick, 21 (hasn’t signed yet) B-
Rafael Rodriguez, 16 (Signed, but hasn’t started playing yet. He has drawn comparisons to Vlad Guerrero. I guess it’s not really fair to grade him so high when he hasn’t even played a pro game yet, but he has the tools to be phenomenal) B
Starting Pitcher
Pat Misch, 26 (AAA) C+
Nick Periera, 25 (AAA) C+
Ben Snyder, 22 (AA) C
Clayton Tanner, 20 (A+) C+
Jesse English, 23 (A+) B-
Kevin Pucetas, 23 (A+) B-
Tim Alderson, 19 (A+) B+
Henry Sosa, 22 (A+) B
Madison Bumgarner, 18 (A) A
Wilber Bucardo, 20 (A-) B-
Relief Pitcher/ Closer
Brian Wilson, 26 (MLB) B+
Alex Hinshaw, 25 (MLB) B+
Sergio Romo, 25 (MLB) B
Osiris Matos, 23 (MLB) B-
Geno Espineli, 25 (MLB) C+
Kelvin Pichardo, 22 (AA) C+
Paul Oseguera, 24 (AA) C
Danny Otero, 23 (A+) C
I probably left out/forgot a lot, but those are the main prospects of the system. The Giants’ system pretty much has dick for hitting but quite a haul of pitching.
by boonitez on Jul 30, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry but...
First off the Giants must have the oldest collection of players that can actually be considered prospects(By Giants Fans) in the whole MLB.
Because you started grading them I’ve gotta pick on your grades. Posey hasn’t even taken the field yet and your annoiting him as probably one of the 5 best prospects in the game. An A grade basically says the prospect has no flaws. You know what? I was gonna pick on this some more but just looking at the sad state of affairs that is the Giants system I can’t kick this dog anymore.
by AthleticsReign on Jul 30, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol yeah we're pretty bad
but Posey is a damn good prospect. It makes no sense to knock him. He’s projected to hit for 15-20 homers with a good average in the majors while still fielding almost at a gold glove level. He was almost drafted #1 overall for a reason. Money was the only thing that kept that from happening.
by boonitez on Jul 31, 2008 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Tim Beckham
more than money.
by raysrule07 on Aug 5, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your
a’s fan passive aggression needs to take some meds here. I have no problem with the A’s, but you are exhibiting typical internet a’s fan speak, and whether it some such animus, or something else, your judgment is clouded.
Other than a few outliers who aren’t really prospects in the grander sense, the farm system isn’t terribly old. The problem with the Giants is that they don’t have much in AAA, so the immediate future seems bad, but the low minors have some very good prospects. And, as noted, the pitching is strong.
On the Grades:
I’d rather not have the grades here, as accurate grading is difficult (even with the caveat that a grade is nothing more than quick and dirty shorthand), and many who attempt to do things on the internet, commentators on this site included, don’t really know what they are doing, and think they do. Also, grading systems differ depending on what is being valued. (And btw, on most accounts, an A doesn’t mean a prospect has no flaws, only that the flaws are not likely to be fatal, among other things)
On the grades that were given:
They are almost all too high, though not all were too high by very much. However, Sandoval may be a B+
by haverecords on Jul 31, 2008 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd base
I’d stick Rohlinger there with a C+ grade. He’s not that big of a prospect, but he could contribute as a major leaguer at 3rd and/or as a utility guy who can play around the infield.
Proud adopted parent of future big league slugger Thomas Neal
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 31, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
San Francisco Giants
Here is another depth chart for the Giants. There is very little in the way of elite talent. Just two A- grades in Villalona and Bumgarner, and three borderline elite players in Alderson, Hinshaw, and Posey. There is much more C+ talent in the way of probable role players who could develop into everyday players. The listed level of each player is the level of the provided statistics, NOT necessarily the level where the player is currently playing. If there is more than one level listed, the stats will be cumulative of those levels. There isn’t a distinction between A-class levels, so anyone denoted as (A) could represent any combination of San Jose, Augusta, and Salem-Keizer. The C- grades went all screwy, so there is a space to denote the C- grades.
Catcher
Buster Posey ~ B+ - 21 (NCAA Div. I) .463-26-93, .463/.566/.879, 256 ABs, 29:57
Pablo Sandoval ~ B - 22 (A/AA) .348-18-87, .348/.394/.581, 399 ABs, 56:29
Michael Ambort ~ C+ - 23 (A) .279-4-12, .279/.343/.574, 61 ABs, 9:6
Steve Holm ~ C - 28 (MLB) .240-1-5, .240/.337/.387, 75 ABs, 15:7
Hector Sanchez ~ C - 18 (DSL) .314-1-34, .314/.458/.429, 140 ABs, 23:31
Jackson Williams ~ C-—22 (A) .206-3-20, .206/.302/.283, 233 ABs, 55:25
First Base
Angel Villalona ~ A- - 17 (A) .250-12-44, .250/.297/.408, 360 ABs, 96:15
Thomas Neal ~ B - 20 (A) .262-12-65, .262/.358/.429, 347 ABs, 85:46
Andy D’Alessio ~ C+ - 23 (A) .281-11-65, .291/.328/.454, 366 ABs, 104:26
Travis Ishikawa ~ C+ - 24 (AA/AAA) .281-17-77, .281/.362/.512, 363 ABs, 71:44
Brett Pill ~ C - 23 (A) .249-9-53, .249/.303/.387, 362 ABs, 69:26
C.J. Ziegler ~ C—22 (Rookie) .266-4-23, .266/.397/.440, 109 ABs, 21:20
Second Base
Nick Noonan ~ B - 19 (A) .281-4-51, .281/.305/.402, 391 ABs, 73:11, 20 SB
Eugenio Velez ~ C+ - 26 (MLB) .207-0-10, .207/.256/.313, 150 ABs, 23:9, 10 SB
Brock Bond ~ C+ - 22 (A) .324-1-36, .324/.396/.375, 253 ABs, 39:23, 11 SB
Matt Downs ~ C - 23 (A/AAA) .285-18-63, .285/.348/.488, 410 ABs, 50:35, 15 SB
Travis Denker ~ C-—22 (A/AA/AAA) .233-3-23, .233/.360/.360, 189 ABs, 51:36
Third Base
Conor Gillespie ~ B - 21 (NCAA Div. I) .419-11-82, .419/.500/.697, 234 ABs, 22:38
Ryan Rohlinger ~ C+ - 24 (A/AA) .286-11-60, .286/.362/.435, 398 ABs, 67:42
Shortstop
Emmanuel Burriss ~ B - 23 (MLB) .278-0-7, .278/.338/.325, 126 ABs, 12:8, 8 SB
Brandon Crawford ~ B - 21 (NCAA Div. I) .302-7-51, .302/.394/.491, 59:31, 11 SB
Charlie Culberson ~ B - 19 (A) .234-3-27, .234/.290/.319, 282 ABs, 57:18, 6 SB
Ivan Ochoa ~ C - 25 (AAA) .318-6-32, .318/.399/.445, 292 Abs, 62:34, 20 SB
Brian Bocock ~ C-—23 (AAA) .163-0-3, .163/.254/.187, 123 ABs, 39:14, 7 SB
Corner Outfield
Fred Lewis ~ B - 27 (MLB) .275-7-31, .275/.348/.444, 360 ABs, 98:40, 19 SB
Nate Schierholtz ~ B - 24 (AAA) .314-15-65, .314/.360/.571, 331 ABs, 45:21, 9 SB
John Bowker ~ B- - 25 (MLB) .256-9-39, .256/.300/.415, 270 ABs, 64:15
Eddy Martinez-Esteve ~ C+ - 25 (AA) .301-6-35, .301/.392/.397, 312 ABs, 26:44
Bobby Felmy ~ C+ - 24 (A) .285-6-46, .285/.340/.398, 382 ABs, 61:25, 12 SB
Roger Kieschnick ~ C - 21 (NCAA Div. I) .305-17-65, .305/.407/.632, 42:35
Mike Mooney ~ C- - 25 (A/AAA) .264-14-30, .264/.331/.528, 235 Abs, 66:17, 13 SB
Brian Horwitz ~ C - 26 (AAA) .294-6-21, .294/.374/.441, 177 ABs, 35:23
Francisco Peguero ~ C - 20 (A) .285-3-27, .285/.336/.391, 281 ABs, 64:18, 22 Sbs
Rafael Rodriguez ~ ? - 16, has not played
Centerfield
Ben Copeland ~ C+ - 24 (AA) .265-5-42, .265/.340/.423, 362 ABs, 62:39, 21 SB
Tyler Graham ~ C - 24 (A) .258-1-21, .258/.328/.310, 229 ABs, 44:19, 42 SB
Darren Ford ~ C- - 22 (A) .227-2-28, .227/.326/.299, 375 ABs, 98:54, 53 SBs
Ben Woodbury ~ C - 22 (Rookie) .369-0-10, .369/.463/.415, 65 Abs, 7:12, 9 SB
Mike McBride ~ C- - 23 (A) .289-3-41, .289/.368/.366, 325 ABs, 71:31, 26 SB
Wendell Fairley ~ C - 20 (Rookie) .239-1-12, .239/.341/.308, 117 ABs, 25:10
Shane Jordan ~ C - 23 (A) .254-0-22, .254/.360/.293, 335 ABs, 50:54, 28 SB
Antoan Richardson ~ C - 24 (AA) .228-3-27, .228/.344/.302, 281 abs, 61:42, 27 SB
Clay Timpner ~ C - 25 (AAA) .234-2-39, .234/.296/.316, 329 ABs, 48:28, 9 SB
Caleb Curry ~ C—22 (A) .233-0-9, .233/.313/.248, 129 ABs, 29:13, 10 SBs
Starting Pitcher
Madison Bumgarner ~ A- - 19 (A) 10-3, 1.81, 109.1, 90 H, 18/116
Tim Alderson ~ B+ - 19 (A) 11-3, 2.97, 115.1, 104 H, 33/103
Henry Sosa ~ B- - 23 (A) 3-4, 4.31, 56.1, 62 H, 18/58
Jesse English ~ C+ - 23 (A) 11-4, 3.09, 110.2, 95 H, 40/109
Ben Snyder ~ C+ - 23 (A/AA) 9-5, 3.51, 112.2, 113 H, 29/95
Joe Martinez ~ C - 25 (AA) 7-8, 2.84, 107.2, 102 H, 30/77
Clayton Tanner ~ C - 20 (A) 6-7, 4.35, 89.0, 101 H, 29/64
Kevin Pucetas ~ C - 23 (A) 8-0, 2.56, 91.1, 84 H, 18/68
Pat Misch ~ C—27 (MLB) 0-3, 5.94, 47.0, 51 H, 15/35
Nick Pereira ~ C- - 25 (AAA) 7-8, 5.70, 101.1, 116 H, 47/86
Jose Casilla ~ C - 19 (Rookie) 3-1, 1.66, 21.2, 19 H, 1/18
Ari Ronick ~ C - 22 (A) 3-0, 1.83, 34.1, 25 H, 12/38
Mike Loree ~ C - 21 (A) 2-2, 2.01, 44.2, 25 H, 2/36
Craig Clark ~ C - 24 (A) 6-4, 4.16, 93.0, 84 H, 17/94
Kyle Nicholson ~ C - 23 (Rookie) 2-1, 2.28, 27.2, 20 H, 1/23
Matt Palmer ~ C—29 (AAA) 5-9, 3.95, 125.1, 118 H, 66/126
Relief Pitcher
Alex Hinshaw ~ B+ - 25 (MLB) 1-1, 2.33, 27.0, 18 H, 20/35
Osiris Matos ~ B - 24 (MLB) 0-2, 1.54, 11.2, 14 H, 4/8
Sergio Romo ~ B- - 25 (MLB) 0-1, 2.51, 14.1, 8 H, 3/15
Merkin Valdez ~ C+ - 26 (MLB) 1-0. 1.69, 16.0, 14 H, 7/13
Kelvin Pichardo ~ C+ - 22 (AA) 1-4, 2.76, 49.0, 39 H, 26/49
Eddie Quirarte ~ C+ - 21 (A) 3-1, 2.00, 18.0, 11 H, 4/16
Paul Oseguera ~ C - 24 (AA) 1-2, 4.54, 37.2, 32 H, 20/33
Waldis Joaquin ~ C - 21 (A) 1-2, 4.17, 54.0, 49 H, 21/51
Justin Hedrick ~ C - 26 (AA) 2-3, 1.45, 56.0, 38 H, 17/61
Dan Otero ~ C - 23 (A) 1-1, 2.13, 42.1, 46 H, 6/43
Kelvin Marte ~ C - 21 (A/Rookie) 0-0, 3.78, 16.2, 15 H, 8/20
Erick Threets ~ C - 26 (AAA) 1-4, 4.03, 38.0, 31 H, 23/28
Billy Sadler ~ C - 26 (MLB) 0-1, 4.94, 23.2, 17 H, 18/21
Geno Espineli ~ C - 25 (AAA) 1-1, 2.06, 52.1, 46 H, 6/43
Daryl Maday ~ C - 23 (A/AA) 9-4, 1.58, 113.2, 87 H, 27/95
Juan Trinidad ~ C - 22 (A) 1-0, 1.60, 45.0, 39 H, 19/38
Michael Eiffel ~ C - 23 (A) 1-0, 2.25, 20.0, 10 H, 9/19
Aaron King ~ C - 19 (Rookie) 2-1, 1.98, 13.2, 8 H, 7/13
Ryan Paul ~ C- - 24 (A) 4-2, 3.15, 45.2, 30 H, 29/52
Joe Patterson ~ C - 22 (A) 8-2, 2.83, 57.1, 44 H, 26/65
Dan Runzler ~ C - 23 (A) 0-2, 4.05, 40.0, 33 H, 28/46
Eric Surkamp ~ C - 21 (A/Rookie) 0-2, 5.91, 10.2, 15 H, 1/18
David Mixon ~ C - 23 (A) 1-1, 1.23, 14.2, 15 H, 3/20
Craig Whitaker ~ C 23 (A) 1-3, 5.00, 45.0, 32 H, 35/49
by StickRat on Aug 1, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but hopefully this will be easier to read
Here is another depth chart for the Giants. There is very little in the way of elite talent. Just two A- grades in Villalona and Bumgarner, and three borderline elite players in Alderson, Hinshaw, and Posey. There is much more C+ talent in the way of probable role players who could develop into everyday players. The listed level of each player is the level of the provided statistics, NOT necessarily the level where the player is currently playing. If there is more than one level listed, the stats will be cumulative of those levels. There isn’t a distinction between A-class levels, so anyone denoted as (A) could represent any combination of San Jose, Augusta, and Salem-Keizer.
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Name – grade ~ age (level) avg-hr-rbi, avg/obp/slg, ABs, K:BB
Catcher
Buster Posey – B+ ~ 21 (NCAA Div. I) .463-26-93, .463/.566/.879, 256 ABs, 29:57
Pablo Sandoval – B- ~ 22 (A/AA) .348-18-87, .348/.394/.581, 399 ABs, 56:29
Michael Ambort – C+ ~ 23 (A) .279-4-12, .279/.343/.574, 61 ABs, 9:6
Steve Holm – C ~ 28 (MLB) .240-1-5, .240/.337/.387, 75 ABs, 15:7
Hector Sanchez – C ~ 18 (DSL) .314-1-34, .314/.458/.429, 140 ABs, 23:31
Jackson Williams – C- ~ 22 (A) .206-3-20, .206/.302/.283, 233 ABs, 55:25
First Base
Angel Villalona – A- ~ 17 (A) .250-12-44, .250/.297/.408, 360 ABs, 96:15
Thomas Neal – B- ~ 20 (A) .262-12-65, .262/.358/.429, 347 ABs, 85:46
Andy D’Alessio – C+ ~ 23 (A) .281-11-65, .291/.328/.454, 366 ABs, 104:26
Travis Ishikawa – C+ ~ 24 (AA/AAA) .281-17-77, .281/.362/.512, 363 ABs, 71:44
Brett Pill – C ~ 23 (A) .249-9-53, .249/.303/.387, 362 ABs, 69:26
C.J. Ziegler – C ~ 22 (Rookie) .266-4-23, .266/.397/.440, 109 ABs, 21:20
Second Base
Nick Noonan – B ~ 19 (A) .281-4-51, .281/.305/.402, 391 ABs, 73:11, 20 SB
Eugenio Velez – C+ ~ 26 (MLB) .207-0-10, .207/.256/.313, 150 ABs, 23:9, 10 SB
Brock Bond – C+ ~ 22 (A) .324-1-36, .324/.396/.375, 253 ABs, 39:23, 11 SB
Matt Downs – C ~ 23 (A/AAA) .285-18-63, .285/.348/.488, 410 ABs, 50:35, 15 SB
Travis Denker – C- ~ 22 (A/AA/AAA) .233-3-23, .233/.360/.360, 189 ABs, 51:36
Third Base
Conor Gillespie – B ~ 21 (NCAA Div. I) .419-11-82, .419/.500/.697, 234 ABs, 22:38
Ryan Rohlinger – C+ ~ 24 (A/AA) .286-11-60, .286/.362/.435, 398 ABs, 67:42
Shortstop
Emmanuel Burriss – B ~ 23 (MLB) .278-0-7, .278/.338/.325, 126 ABs, 12:8, 8 SB
Brandon Crawford – B- ~ 21 (NCAA Div. I) .302-7-51, .302/.394/.491, 59:31, 11 SB
Charlie Culberson – B- ~ 19 (A) .234-3-27, .234/.290/.319, 282 ABs, 57:18, 6 SB
Ivan Ochoa – C ~ 25 (AAA) .318-6-32, .318/.399/.445, 292 Abs, 62:34, 20 SB
Brian Bocock – C- ~ 23 (AAA) .163-0-3, .163/.254/.187, 123 ABs, 39:14, 7 SB
Corner Outfield
Fred Lewis – B ~ 27 (MLB) .275-7-31, .275/.348/.444, 360 ABs, 98:40, 19 SB
Nate Schierholtz – B ~ 24 (AAA) .314-15-65, .314/.360/.571, 331 ABs, 45:21, 9 SB
John Bowker – B- ~ 25 (MLB) .256-9-39, .256/.300/.415, 270 ABs, 64:15
Eddy Martinez-Esteve – C+ ~ 25 (AA) .301-6-35, .301/.392/.397, 312 ABs, 26:44
Bobby Felmy – C+ ~ 24 (A) .285-6-46, .285/.340/.398, 382 ABs, 61:25, 12 SB
Roger Kieschnick – C ~ 21 (NCAA Div. I) .305-17-65, .305/.407/.632, 42:35
Mike Mooney – C- ~ 25 (A/AAA) .264-14-30, .264/.331/.528, 235 Abs, 66:17, 13 SB
Brian Horwitz – C- ~ 26 (AAA) .294-6-21, .294/.374/.441, 177 ABs, 35:23
Francisco Peguero – C- ~ 20 (A) .285-3-27, .285/.336/.391, 281 ABs, 64:18, 22 Sbs
Rafael Rodriguez – ? ~ 16, has not played
Centerfield
Ben Copeland – C+ ~ 24 (AA) .265-5-42, .265/.340/.423, 362 ABs, 62:39, 21 SB
Tyler Graham – C ~ 24 (A) .258-1-21, .258/.328/.310, 229 ABs, 44:19, 42 SB
Darren Ford – C- ~ 22 (A) .227-2-28, .227/.326/.299, 375 ABs, 98:54, 53 SBs
Ben Woodbury – C ~ 22 (Rookie) .369-0-10, .369/.463/.415, 65 Abs, 7:12, 9 SB
Mike McBride – C- ~ 23 (A) .289-3-41, .289/.368/.366, 325 ABs, 71:31, 26 SB
Wendell Fairley – C- ~ 20 (Rookie) .239-1-12, .239/.341/.308, 117 ABs, 25:10
Shane Jordan – C- ~ 23 (A) .254-0-22, .254/.360/.293, 335 ABs, 50:54, 28 SB
Antoan Richardson – C- ~ 24 (AA) .228-3-27, .228/.344/.302, 281 abs, 61:42, 27 SB
Clay Timpner – C- ~ 25 (AAA) .234-2-39, .234/.296/.316, 329 ABs, 48:28, 9 SB
Caleb Curry – C- ~ 22 (A) .233-0-9, .233/.313/.248, 129 ABs, 29:13, 10 SBs
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Name – grade ~ age (level) W-L, ERA, IP, H, BB/SO
Starting Pitcher
Madison Bumgarner – A- ~ 19 (A) 10-3, 1.81, 109.1, 90 H, 18/116
Tim Alderson – B+ ~ 19 (A) 11-3, 2.97, 115.1, 104 H, 33/103
Henry Sosa – B- ~ 23 (A) 3-4, 4.31, 56.1, 62 H, 18/58
Jesse English – C+ ~ 23 (A) 11-4, 3.09, 110.2, 95 H, 40/109
Ben Snyder – C+ ~ 23 (A/AA) 9-5, 3.51, 112.2, 113 H, 29/95
Joe Martinez – C ~ 25 (AA) 7-8, 2.84, 107.2, 102 H, 30/77
Clayton Tanner – C ~ 20 (A) 6-7, 4.35, 89.0, 101 H, 29/64
Kevin Pucetas – C ~ 23 (A) 8-0, 2.56, 91.1, 84 H, 18/68
Pat Misch – C ~ 27 (MLB) 0-3, 5.94, 47.0, 51 H, 15/35
Nick Pereira – C- ~ 25 (AAA) 7-8, 5.70, 101.1, 116 H, 47/86
Jose Casilla – C- ~ 19 (Rookie) 3-1, 1.66, 21.2, 19 H, 1/18
Ari Ronick – C- ~ 22 (A) 3-0, 1.83, 34.1, 25 H, 12/38
Mike Loree – C- ~ 21 (A) 2-2, 2.01, 44.2, 25 H, 2/36
Craig Clark – C- ~ 24 (A) 6-4, 4.16, 93.0, 84 H, 17/94
Kyle Nicholson – C- ~ 23 (Rookie) 2-1, 2.28, 27.2, 20 H, 1/23
Matt Palmer – C- ~ 29 (AAA) 5-9, 3.95, 125.1, 118 H, 66/126
Relief Pitcher
Alex Hinshaw – B+ ~ 25 (MLB) 1-1, 2.33, 27.0, 18 H, 20/35
Osiris Matos – B ~ 24 (MLB) 0-2, 1.54, 11.2, 14 H, 4/8
Sergio Romo – B- ~ 25 (MLB) 0-1, 2.51, 14.1, 8 H, 3/15
Merkin Valdez – C+ ~ 26 (MLB) 1-0. 1.69, 16.0, 14 H, 7/13
Kelvin Pichardo – C+ ~ 22 (AA) 1-4, 2.76, 49.0, 39 H, 26/49
Eddie Quirarte – C+ ~ 21 (A) 3-1, 2.00, 18.0, 11 H, 4/16
Paul Oseguera – C ~ 24 (AA) 1-2, 4.54, 37.2, 32 H, 20/33
Waldis Joaquin – C ~ 21 (A) 1-2, 4.17, 54.0, 49 H, 21/51
Justin Hedrick – C ~ 26 (AA) 2-3, 1.45, 56.0, 38 H, 17/61
Dan Otero – C ~ 23 (A) 1-1, 2.13, 42.1, 46 H, 6/43
Kelvin Marte – C ~ 21 (A/Rookie) 0-0, 3.78, 16.2, 15 H, 8/20
Erick Threets – C ~ 26 (AAA) 1-4, 4.03, 38.0, 31 H, 23/28
Billy Sadler – C ~ 26 (MLB) 0-1, 4.94, 23.2, 17 H, 18/21
Geno Espineli – C ~ 25 (AAA) 1-1, 2.06, 52.1, 46 H, 6/43
Daryl Maday – C ~ 23 (A/AA) 9-4, 1.58, 113.2, 87 H, 27/95
Juan Trinidad – C ~ 22 (A) 1-0, 1.60, 45.0, 39 H, 19/38
Michael Eiffel – C ~ 23 (A) 1-0, 2.25, 20.0, 10 H, 9/19
Aaron King – C ~ 19 (Rookie) 2-1, 1.98, 13.2, 8 H, 7/13
Ryan Paul – C- ~ 24 (A) 4-2, 3.15, 45.2, 30 H, 29/52
Joe Patterson – C- ~ 22 (A) 8-2, 2.83, 57.1, 44 H, 26/65
Dan Runzler – C- ~ 23 (A) 0-2, 4.05, 40.0, 33 H, 28/46
Eric Surkamp – C- ~ 21 (A/Rookie) 0-2, 5.91, 10.2, 15 H, 1/18
David Mixon – C- ~ 23 (A) 1-1, 1.23, 14.2, 15 H, 3/20
Craig Whitaker – C- ~ 23 (A) 1-3, 5.00, 45.0, 32 H, 35/49
by StickRat on Aug 2, 2008 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're selling the system short a bit
Not much in the way of elite talent? Posey, Villalona, Bumgarner and Alderson are all top 100 talents (each of them arguably top-50 talents), and they have very good prospects in Sosa, Sandoval, Rodriguez, Noonan, Fairley and Gilaspie following them. I’m not even going to get into the number of power arms, like Hinshaw, who are all over the system and may or may not contribute.
None are elite in the sense of “absolute, can’t miss, sure-fire all-stars”, but they have a very good mix of “high risk, high reward” types and “very solid-steady, likely to contribute on a good team” types.
It’s not the best system in the world (although it’s improved a ton in the last 2 years) and many of the above listed aren’t going to pan out. Yes, each of them has flaws. But they have a bunch of high-end, young, promising (and producing) prospects in the system.
Hector Sanchez: really getting tired of playing baseball in foreign countries...
by tedfordfan on Aug 6, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In and of itself, the Giants farm system has some really impressive talent at the top of their prospect list. However, when I weighed it against the current organizational need, the “elite” factor caused me a lot of concern. Pitching depth is nails, and the Giants absolutely project to have a great homegrown staff for years to come. There is still quite a deficiency of everyday players though. Until they sign this year’s top picks, there aren’t any surefire position players out of Div. I college programs that are certain to be everyday players in the Majors. Burriss and Bowker have potential to be, but neither of them are certainties. Otherwise, the only players the Giants know with some certainty are surefire everyday players are Lewis and Villalona.
If you took the Giants system and surplanted it with a big club like, say Arizona’s, then the elite talent is more impressive; because Arizona has a legit starter at every position. Even if you look at the Giants’ every position with their best guys at their peaks - Posey, Villalona, Noonan, Burriss, Gillaspie, Lewis, Rowand, and Schierholtz/Winn - there are some question marks … and more importantly, nothing in the way of surefire projectable talent behind them.
by StickRat on Aug 6, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nitpick
Is there such a thing as an 18 year old who is a surefire everyday player? Villalona is a great prospect, but he’s still in A ball and not exactly kicking the doors down
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by OldProspects on Aug 7, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the only way to know is with time. There are two types of 18-year olds who qualify as prospective surefire everyday players: 1) Miguel Cabrera, to whom Villalona has drawn the most comparisons. 2) Andy Marte, whose numbers Villalona’s most resemble.
Calling Villalona a surefire everyday player isn’t a guarantee, obviously. It’s simply a way of making a distinction between he, and guys like Schierholtz or Noonan; who will likely be starters at the big-league level, but are closer to the fringe than Villalona. And that distinction must be made for these kinds of topics.
by StickRat on Aug 7, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
crawford
is rumored to be heading back to ucla. i live in his town (we were on the same little league team when we were 10) and this is the talk around town.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Aug 11, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
newest word
giants went $92k overslot to get him. he got $375,000
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Aug 14, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tigers
I’ll include both pre-arb players and players under 25. I also combined pitchers.
I really don’t know much about the minors below A ball, and I think I missed some of the 2008 draftees. I’d appreciate it if someone could help me out a little bit (maybe SBcaptain?).
Catcher:
Dusty Ryan (23) AA
James Skelton (22) A+
Alex Avila (21) A
First Base:
Miguel Cabrera (25) MLB
Jeff Larish (25) AAA
Second Base:
Mike Hollimon (26) AAA
Scott Sizemore (23) A+
Third Base:
Shortstop:
Danny Worth (22) AAA
Cale Iorg (23) A+
Corner Outfield:
Matt Joyce (23) MLB
Wilkin Ramirez (22) AA
Deik Scram (24) AA
Center Field:
Curtis Granderson (27) MLB
Brent Clevelen (24) AAA
Clete Thomas (24) AAA
Pitchers:
Justin Verlander (25) MLB
Jeremy Bonderman (25) MLB
Joel Zumaya (23) MLB
Zach Miner (26) MLB
Yorman Bazardo (24) AAA
Macay McBride (25) AAA
Luis Marte (22) AA
Ryan Perry (21) A+
Rick Porcello (19) A+
Cody Satterwhite (21) A+
by demondeaconsbaseball on Jul 31, 2008 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks good
I’d add Audy Ciriaco to the shortstop list. He’s got some exciting potential. Brandon Douglas probably deserves a mention as well.
Third base is pretty barren, but Francisco Martinez is worth mentioning. Scouts like him and he has really produced in the VSL (not that those numbers mean a whole lot, but its nice to see he’s playing up to his tools).
Avisail Garcia is a 17 year old corner outfielder in the VSL with a lot of upside. Alexis Espinoza and Chao-Ting Tang have high ceilings, but they have struggled in the GCL.
Starting pitchers I’d add are:
Casey Crosby (19) Injured
Brandon Hamilton (19) Rookie
Luke Putkonen (22) A-SS
Mauricio Robles (19) A
Relievers:
Scott Green (22) A
Brett Jacobson (21) A
Tyler Stohr (21) A-SS
Freddy Dolsi (25) MLB
Francisco Cruceta (27) AAA
Clay Rapada (27) MLB
Lester Oliveros (20) A-SS
Casey Fien (24) AAA
Robbie Weinhardt (22) A+
by SBcaptain2 on Jul 31, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like what both of you have put together
Good to see Avisail Garcia and Francisco Martinez are actually touted…I noticed their stats down in the VSL, but I have no idea how they project.
Another young guy who interests me is 19-year-old OF Luis Salas. The only reason I mention him is that, out of nowhere, he had a 6-game stint in Lakeland where he held his own. His numbers aren’t mind-blowing, .286/.391/.446, but maybe he bears watching.
OF Casper Wells is putting together a solid season. Again, not sure how he profiles, but he’s hitting .282 in AA after jumping from low-A earlier in the year. He’s .261/.357/.506 on the season, with 20 HR and 23 steals.
And two pitchers who need to be mentioned are Guillermo Moscoso and Jonathan Kibler.
Moscoso has been a bullpen arm most of the year, but in his first AA start he went:
6.0 – 3H – 0ER – 1 BB – 10K
Overall: 3-3, 2.17 – 82/14 in 58 IP
He’s a flyball pitcher, but 4 HR isn’t bad, and he’s holding opponents to a .190 average.
And Kibler had been a monster in low-A West Michigan: 12-4, 1.66 – 107/29 in 135.1 IP
He also gets about 2 to 1 groundballs, has surrendered just 4 HR, and is holding opposing batters to a .185 average.
by ChrisBrown on Aug 5, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re
I like Moscoso. I was at his perfect game last season and he has been mowing down the competition this year. Injuries have held him back and as a result he has been old for his league each of the last two years. I’ll get a chance to see him pitch again in a couple weeks when the SeaWolves come to Connecticut to play the Rock Cats and Defenders. He has good stuff and good command. He has a chance to be a quality pitcher if he can stay healthy.
Kibler is a soft-tosser, so I’m not going to get too excited about him yet.
by SBcaptain2 on Aug 7, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice
Thanks for the info on Moscoso…pretty encouraging. I figured Kibler was Duane Below part II, but I also figured the numbers were worth mentioning. For as much as I dig the minor league stats, I’ve yet to head out to Lansing or G.R, or even Toledo to watch.
by ChrisBrown on Aug 7, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Moscoso...
With another outstanding start in AA
6IP – 4H – 2ER – 0BB – 9K
by ChrisBrown on Aug 9, 2008 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mets
Statline for hitters is Avg/OBA/Slg PA BB SO
Statline for pitchers is ERA IP SO/BB OPS.
Catcher:
Josh Thole 21 (A+) .303/.386/.433 320 36 27
Francisco Pena 18 (A) .254/.304/.384 339 22 73
First Base:
Nick Evans 22 (AA) .311/.365/.561 326 26 64
Mike Carp 22 (AA) .303/.390/.449 433 51 67
Ike Davis 21 (A-) .244/.271/.317 129 5 24
Lucas Duda 22 (A+) .257/.355/.384 445 54 101
Second Base:
Reese Havens 21 (A-) .261/.370/.493 81 11 20
Greg Veloz 20 (A) .284/.336/.410 454 28 82 (26 SB; .993 July OPS)
Third Base:
Jefry Marte 17 (Rk ) .350/.422/.600 117 8 19
Dan Murphy 23 (AA) .307/.374/.491 402 39 46
Zach Lutz 22 (A) .333/.442/.514 86 14 12
Shawn Bowman 23 (A+/AA) .346/.378/.510 111 5 26 (slowed by repeated back injuries)
Shortstop:
Wilmer Flores 16 (Rk) .331/.363/.554 157 4 15
Ruben Tejada 18 (A+) .234/.290/.304 441 31 57
Juan Lagares 19 (A) .250/.278/.338 148 5 21
Corner Outfield:
Fernando Martinez 19 (AA) .292/.332/.420 277 14 56
Javier Rodriguez
Cesar Puello 17 (Rk-) .263/.300/.289 80 2 22
Center Field:
Ezequiel Carrera 21 (A+) .277/.347/.401 374 29 67 (21 SB)
Starting Pitchers:
Jon Niese 21 (AA/AAA) 2.95 131.3 119/46 .668
Brad Holt 21 (A-) 2.17 37.7 53/21 .522
Mike Antonini 22 (A/A+/AA) 2.60 128 100/28 .595
Robert Parnell 23 (AA) 4.33 116.7 85/56 .735
Scott Moviel 20 (A-) 4.54 105 71/31 .744
Jenrry Mejia 18 (Rk-/A-) 2.84 38 36/14 .505
Dillon Gee 22 (A+) 3.37 115.3 81/18 .618
Maikel Cleto 19 (A) 4.04 120.7 70/31 .710
Nate Vineyard 19 (A) (underwent TJ surgery after 8 IP this year)
John Holdzkom 20 (Rk/A) 5.48 65.7 75/40
Angel Calero 21 (A/A+) 3.36 80.7 69/22 .664
Elvin Ramirez 20 (A) 3.367 81 62/36 .654
Relief Pitchers:
Eddie Kunz 22 (AA) 2.87 47 41/23 .579
Brant Rustich 23 (A) 4.86 33.7 30/14 .673
by acerimusdux on Jul 31, 2008 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
picking nits
I see you’ve moved Havens to 2B, which I think is accurate. In the same vein, should Murphy be moved to 2B, too? After not playing there for a week, he was back there.
Also, isn’t Brant Rustich starting now?
Finally, is Stephen Clyne an intentional omission? I know he’s fringy at best, but isn’t he on all of the lists (John’s, BA, BP)? I figured if we’re going this deep, he might as well be tossed in.
by El Duq of Hurl on Jul 31, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answer
Murphy, I still have some doubts about at 2B. I expect they will give him a look there, but are probably grooming him more as a good bench bat. He did play outfield in college as well, but his best position is probably 3B. The Mets obviously don’t have a need there, so they’ll move him around to get his bat in the lineup. Havens’s best fit will probably be 2B.
Rustich, I’m unsure of. He apparently does have the stuff that he could project well as a SP. But he’s only made 5 starts this year, and is averaging less than 4 IP per start, so I suspect they still could be grooming him as a reliever.
As for omissions, partly I decided to take seriously Zonis’s admonishment to limit it ti Top Prospects, and partly I was getting tired of looking up all those stats and wanted to be done with it. So I cut it off at around what I think is the top 30, with a couple of extras.
I really could have gone deeper though, especially with the pitching. I still probably wouldn’t have included Clyne, who has struggled some this year. I’ve seen most of the guys at St. Lucie this year, but honestly don’t even remember if I’ve seen Clyne. I remember seeing Cheney, the big guy.
Some guys I do like as bullpen arms though are Eric Niesen, who is a SP but I think projects better as a power lefty bullpen arm; Nick Carr, who has struggled some this year with command but has a good live arm, and Ryan Coultas, a converted SS who has (should I say easily?) the best FB on the St. Lucie team this year.
I also left out a lot of back end SP candidates worth mention. Tobi Stoner is probably the biggest omission. I tend to be skeptical of a RHP without much of a FB, but Stoner has a real good curve and I ‘m probably underestimating him if he’s not in my top 30, as he has very solid peripherals right now in AA. Dylan Owen is another low ceiling guy, with a good slider, and Sal Aguilar is another back end SP candidate who had a nice season in AA, but apparently will need TJ surgery.
There may be higher ceiling guys at lower levels I don’t know about as well. Robert Carson would be one. Guillaume LeDuc is another. And Jeurys Familia. I’d love to know what the scouting is on some of these guys (I should see if I can’t check out a GCL game once in awhile)..
by acerimusdux on Aug 1, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs Quickie - Just minor league infielders and catcher for now (P/OF later)
Just doing my quick take with current level stats.
Catcher – One potential impact guy, 2-3 semi-intriguing pieces with questions
1. Wellington Castillo – 21 – AA – 129 AB’s – .310/.378/.481
Superb defensively, he is probably overachieving offensively as of now. That said, most expectations were that he would eventually hit a bit, so maybe he’s just adjusting sooner than later. He was our top catching prospect pre-Harden deal, and he is still our top guy now. I could see anywhere from a Henry Blanco-like backup to a quality starter.
2. Steve Clevenger – 22 – A+ – 212 AB’s – .292/.382/.358
I think Clevenger is 2nd, although there may be some debate on it as there are still questions if he can stick behind the plate. Former middle infielder that was moved there. Great eye, but defense behind the plate needs work. Bat won’t play anywhere else, but could be okay at catcher. Anywhere from a minor leaguer to a bench guy in the bigs.
3. Matt Cerda – 18 – Rookie – 74 AB’s – .270/.368/.365
A lot of players for consideration here, but the nod goes to Cerda as the kid who is being transitioned. Not much to report on yet, but considering the high pick used, he definitely ranks up there somewhere. I like that he can hold his own with his bat right now.
Honorable Mention: Luis Flores (defensive catcher, no offense), Carlos Perez (all-around decent right now, young so that’s not bad)
1st – Only Rosa feels like a potential impact player, but it is too early to tell.
1. Micah Hoffpauir – 28 – AAA – 176 AB’s – .347/.365/.705
I’m not a huge fan of Micah, but even I have to admit that he has developed and isn’t the same player of a few years ago. In saying all that, it is not a good thing when he is arguably our top first base prospect. That said, he still qualifies, and the other options all have big questions about them.
2. Jovan Rosa – 20 – Low A – 300 AB’s – .289/.352/.427
I was tempted to put Rosa first. I’m still hopeful that Rosa may be able to stick at 3rd, which would increase his value. That said, his glove is bad. First seems the likely route. Sweet swing, he should be able to hit for average and gap power. Can he develop a quality level of home run power? Not sure yet, and hence why Micah still edges him out.
3. Blake Lalli – 25 – AA – 48 AB’s – .292/.320/.542
Color me a fool, but I’m giving Blake his due. I actually think he might be able to stick as a backup catcher, but the betting money is against that. Sure, he was older in A ball this year … but this is his 2nd year of pro ball. Age is either over-utilized or under-utilized. He’s a good team player who does everything necessary (has pitched a couple innings this year) and I believe that he can hit.
Honorable Mention: Rebel Ridling (big time power, which is lacking in the system, but plate discipline is a big concern), Luis Bautista, Russ Canzler (nothing special, just a solid minor leaguer), Sean Hoorelbeke (seems more gap power than real power), Ryan Keedy (massive guy, but gap power)
2nd – Some depth, although a lot of questions
1. Tony Thomas – 22 – A+ – 370 AB’s – .265/.317/.408
I was superbly high on him entering the year and have been thoroughly disappointed. Here’s the big issue: K/BB – 89/27. Just doesn’t cut it for a guy that projects as a leadoff guy. Looking more and more like Eric Patterson the 2nd. Still intriguing, but a lot of work.
2. Josh Harrison – 21 – Low A – 23 AB’s – .217/.250/.217
I’ve been thoroughly disappointed with Tony Thomas this year and am hoping Josh can be my new hope. He’s supposedly a better glove. Here’s hoping his plate discipline doesn’t fall apart as he moves up.
3. Dwayne Kemp – 20 – Shortseason – 40 AB’s – .225/.279/.375
This Netherland signee makes me think a more athletic Mike Fontenot as he packs some pop in his 5’8” body. Raw and a lot of work, but the upside is higher than Spears so I gave that nod. I could put Spears ahead and not blink an eye.
Honorable Mention: Nate Spears (could be a solid utility player in the bigs)
SS – A mess … is anyone a legitimate possibility to start at short in the bigs?
1. Ryan Flaherty – 21 turning 22 soon – Shortseason – 87 AB’s – .264/.366/.391
Okay … I don’t honestly believe Flaherty sticks at short. That said, the system is weak so I’ll chalk this up to “he’s too far away so giving it the benefit of the doubt to fill the depth chart in even though I don’t anticipate it”. He’s been battling injuries, so I’m not too concerned with the bat just yet.
2. Darwin Barney – 22 – A+ – 328 AB’s – .247/.306/.345
Superbly athletic, but the bat was a question entering the draft, and it still is now. Maybe a utility glove?
3. Nate Samson – 20 – Low A – 381 AB’s – .312/.377/.375
Okay, this is like Flaherty as well, as I highly doubt Samson sticks at short, but I wanted to fill things out. I’d bundle him with Spears and Kemp if he was a 2nd base consideration. Big defensive concerns, but the bat intrigues. Here’s hoping that he can stick at short … but I’m not holding my breath.
3rd – 1 potential superstar, 1 semi-intriguing guy, and a whole bunch of eh.
1. Josh Vitters – Almost 19 – shortseason – 122 AB’s – .344/.386/.508
Battling injuries, Vitters bat isn’t a big cause for concern. His defense is improved, but still inconsistent. Should move to Low A sooner than later, but someone from Low A will have to move up or Vitters will have to force his way in with ridiculous numbers. It’s getting increasingly likely that he may finish the year at Boise, which isn’t a big issue.
2. Marquez Smith – 23 – A+ – 58 AB’s – .259/.338/.448
If Rosa was classified at 3rd, it’d be a tough call here. Without Rosa, Smith is the clear nod. Decent defensively, he was raking at Low A and needed the bump up. Somewhat intriguing to follow, but may simply be a system guy. Did play some 2nd this year when he was with Rosa at Low A, but better off at 3rd.
3. John Contreras – 22 – Rookie – 105 AB’s – .343/.423/.714
Bleh … ran out of options. Nothing personal against Contreras, but a 22 year old raking in rookie ball really doesn’t intrigue me that much yet, but Josh Lansford doesn’t have the bat, and Casey McGehee is a system guy. Contreras has some power, something this system needs.
Short of it is, not much really intriguing and not much depth.
by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oakland Athletics
Going with 17843’s use of Pre-Arbitration Eligible players being the limit;
Catcher
Kurt Suzuki, 24, MLB
Landon Powell, 26, AAA
Anthony Recker, 24, AA
Josh Donaldson, 22, A+
Petey Paramore, 21, A-
The A’s catching situation is pretty much set for the near future. Kurt Suzuki is proving to be a solid catcher for the A’s. He’s good defensively, and at least average offensively for a catcher. Behind him is Landon Powell, who was drafted ahead of him if I remember correctly, but has been derailed due to injuries, motivational concerns and weight (but mainly the ACL tears). Powell could take over as the Backup Catcher next year if the A’s feel that having an Arbitration Eligible backup catcher in Rob Bowen, sit on the end of the bench for almost every game during the season isn’t worth it. Powell can also back up 1st Base when he’s not playing.Recker is behind him, and is an offensive minded catcher who’s not hitting that well in the hitting Texas League. Josh Donaldson, acquired from the Cubs in the Harden trade has taken off since being stuck in A+ and looks like he’s back on track as a good catching prospect. Petey Paramore was drafted by the A’s in the third round in the 2008 Draft, so time will tell for him.
First Base/Designated Hitter
Daric Barton, 22, MLB
Sean Doolittle, 21, AA
Chris Carter, 21, A+
This used to be a massive depot of talent in the organization for the A’s, or at least it seemed that way when the farm was depleted. Since, many of those guys have fallen off the map. But, then again, there are many other prospects at other positions that will, undoubtedly, end up at 1B so its not exactly the biggest priority to have a lot of 1B Prospects, just good ones. And the A’s have three. Barton, after a good 2007 campaign and call up, has been horrible this year and no one is exactly sure why. But behind him is 2007 Draftee Sean Doolitte, who tore up the California League and then promoted to Midland, where he has struggled but has been coming on as of late. Chris Carter, from the Dan Haren Trade via the Carlos Quentin Trade (two blockbusters in a 2 week span) has hit very well with a lot of power for the Ports in A+ California League affiliate. Carter started off as the team’s Designated Hitter, sharing time with Doolittle at First, then taking over the job after Doolittle’s promotion. After the Joe Blanton trade brought in Cardenas and Spencer, with the Ports outfield jam, the team put Spencer at First Base and moved Carter to his High School position at Third Base, where he has apparently stuck at. If Carter sticks at Third Base, a very big hole for the Organization, he could have a major boost in prospect status.
Second Base
Adrian Cardenas, 20, A+
Jemile Weeks, 21, A-
Eric Patterson, 25, AAA
The Middle Infield used to be a position of weakness for the A’s. Now, at least half of it is a position of strength in about a month span. Weeks was drafted out of Miami, and after a poor start, heated up and put up a fair batting line till getting injured in the game at Wrigley. Cardenas, who looks to be the front runner for the 2B Job of the Future, is a Bat First, Glove Second 2B who is arguably the top 2B prospect in the minors. Patterson, acquired in the Harden Trade, is a quasi 2B/OF who is decent at 2B and may take over the 2B Job for the A’s in 2009 till Cardenas and/or Weeks are ready. The problem for the A’s is that all three 2B’s have concerns about if they can stay at the position long term. Strangely enough, Weeks is listed as an SS on MILB.com.
Third Base
Jeff Baisley, 25, AAA
Jesus Guzman, 24, AAA
The biggest hole in the organization, the only two prospects the A’s have at the position in the minors are bordering on Filler and are at the 25 age line. Guzman was signed as a Minor League Free Agent from the Mariners after spending years at AA, and when put there again, crushed the ball for the Midland Rockhounds. Unfortunately, after his promotion he went off a cliff and his stock has dropped quite a bit. Baisley does not look like anything special, with a peak of being a League Average 3B, and a low of being a Backup or Reserve 3B off the bench. He’d probably have the starting 3B Job in Oakland if not for being on the DL with a fractured foot. Both prospects do not look to be in the long term plans for Oakland, but that might not matter if the A’s end up acquiring a long term solution for the position, or if Chris Carter or Adrian Cardenas stick at Third Base. But with Eric Chavez being done as a MLB 3B, it is a pretty bleak hole.
Short Stop
Gregorio Petit, 23, AAA
Cliff Pennington, 24, AAA
Dusty Coleman, 21, N/A
Jason Christian, 21, SS
Nino Leyja, 17, RK
The second major hole in the Organization. Petit and Pennington are all glove, no bat SS Prospects. Either of them could get the MLB SS job if the A’s oust Bobby Crosby, but they are likely placeholders or backups for the future unless they somehow break out. But both are still young. Getting past that you do not see much till you get to 2008’s draft class. Dusty Coleman just recently signed for 2nd Round money despite being a very low pick due to signability concerns. Christian and Leyja are putting up impressive numbers in their respective rookie balls, but time will tell if they become top prospects for the team or organizational filler, as many of the A’s recent SS picks have become.
Corner Outfield
Travis Buck, 24, AAA
Matt Sulentic, 20, A+
A very short list indeed, but that’s because most of the teams outfield prospects qualify at Centerfield, which is a good thing. Travis Buck was a hitting machine till this year, when he somehow mysteriously forgot how to hit. I am sure that will come back to him, though. Maybe he is nursing a hidden injury (he hasn’t played much for AAA Sacramento, likely hinting at something) but I expect him to remember how to hit next year. Sulentic came onto the scene with a great SS season after he was drafted only to slump horribly in the Midwest league the next year. He’s re-surged after being promoted to the California League in 2008 however.
Center field
Carlos Gonzalez, 22, MLB
Ryan Sweeney, 23, MLB
Aaron Cunningham, 22, AA
Corey Brown, 22, A+
Rashun Dixon, 17, RK
Jermaine Mitchell, 23, A+
Arguably the A’s second deepest prospect area, the A’s quite possibly could have 3 Center fielders in 2009 manning their outfield. Carlos Gonzalez and Ryan Sweeney are already on the big club. Sweeney is having a solid offensive campaign, but the Power has never surfaced. Gonzalez is struggling offensively, but has become, strangely enough, one of the best defensive CF in the AL according to some fielding stats. Corey Brown’s future is probably at the Corner Outfield, but he definitely has the bat to stick around, and Rashun Dixon is a having a monster first season after being drafted, down in the Arizona Rookie League. Dixon is showing a lot of power and a lot of speed, but with a low average right now. Probably the most mysterious thing about Dixon is his lack of doubles-he has only a couple-due to his speed carrying him past 2B and racking up a ton of Triples. As for Mitchell, the would be CF of the future for the A’s has fallen back, having a bad year in A+ Stockton and has been surpassed by far in the future of the organization CF and OF depth chart with the trades and drafting of Gonzalez, Sweeney, Cunningham, Dixon, Patterson and Weeks (who if they can’t make it at 2B, will shift to CF).
Starting Pitcher
Trever Cahill, 20, AA
Brett Anderson, 20, AA
Gio Gonzalez, 22, AAA
Sean Gallagher, 22, MLB
Greg Smith, 24, MLB
Dana Eveland, 24, MLB
James Simmons, 21, AA
Vin Mazzaro, 21, AA
Arnold Leon, 20, A+/MEX
Henry Rodriguez, 21, A+
Michel Inoa, 16, N/A
Craig Italiano, 22, A+
Tyson Ross, 21, N/A
Fautino De Los Santos, 22, A+ DL
Josh Outman, 23, AA
Michael Madson, 25, AA
Jamie Richmond, 22, A-
Travis Banwart, 22, A+
The A’s deepest part of the system, and the envy of baseball (or so says Baseball America). The A’s have a group of top pitching prospects that can all end up being #1-#2’s (Trever Cahill, Brett Anderson, Gio Gonzalez, Michel Inoa), and a large group that looks to be solid mid-rotation starters (Sean Gallagher, Greg Smith, Dana Eveland, Arnold Leon, James Simmons, Henry Rodriguez, Fautino De Los Santos, Tyson Ross) and a plethora of guys who if they make it, will be solid 4-5 starters. Hernandez and De Los Santos, and Italiano might be destined for the back of the bullpen if they can not fix their control problems and maybe add a pitch or two, but if they make it as a Starter, look out! (Though unfortunately, DLS suffered an arm injury and went under the knife for TJ Surgery early in the year). Last years former top pitching prospects have been brushed aside this year, with breakouts by some (Mazzaro, Cahill), trades (Anderson, Gonzalez), Drafts (Simmons) and good old fashion development (Hernandez). Don’t be surprised if the you see a late 2009 Rotation of Gallagher/Cahill/Anderson/Gonzalez/Simmons for the A’s (probably accompanied by a plethora of trades and prospects involving Duke, Smith and Eveland). And that rotation could be extremely solid for years to come. And if some fail, there are many there to back them up.
Relief Pitcher/Closer
Huston Street
Joey Devine, 24, MLB
Andrew Brown
Santiago Casilla
Brad Ziegler
Jerry Blevins
Dallas Braden
Sam Demel
Andrew Carignan, 22, AA
Jared Lansford, 21, AA
The A’s have quite a bit of relief to back them up if/when their starting pitching prospects get thrown into the Majors as Relievers. Indeed, even if Huston Street is dealt, the A’s will have four solid young relievers who can anchor the back end of the bullpen for years to come-just as they are now; Joey Devine, Andrew Brown, Santiago Casilla and Brad Ziegler. The A’s have two good minor league power closers coming up in the minors in Carignan and Demel who should be up relatively soon, and Lansford’s shift to the bullpen has paid dividends.
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by Zonis on Jul 31, 2008 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice work
I have very few quibbles. I’d put Josh Horton on (gritty!) at shortstop, though he’ll need to hit .300 to be a real asset.
Mitchell really isn’t much of a prospect anymore—I think Michael Richard actually has a better chance of playing that role, although the A’s continue to insist on offending the eyes of the Kane County faithful by playing him at shortstop for some reason.
Andrew Bailey has been dominant (16 IP, 10 H, 6 BB, 17 K, 1 ER, 1.50 GO/AO) since moving to the pen. He’s a good power arm if he can command his pitches. A legit RP prospect.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Aug 1, 2008 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be surprised
if Cardenas ended up solving the third base problem. I think he has the bat for 3rd, and has the reactions to potentially work. That would allow Weeks the open shot at being the 2nd baseman of the future, and btw the 2, I think Weeks is a better defensive fit.
by toonsterwu on Aug 1, 2008 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are both a couple years away so anything can happen
and I think part of it will depend on if the A’s acquire a long term solid 3B (or if Carter pans out at 3B) and how the A’s view Mark Ellis’s replacement next season, Eric Patterson, at Second Base. If Patterson plays average 2B Defense, and the A’s don’t like it, then they will probably go for the better defensive 2B between Weeks and Cardenas. If they find that the defense doesn’t matter to them as much, they will go with the better bat between the two.
It also depends on what type of bat the A’s need by the time they are ready, as Carenas might be a middle of the order bat whereas Weeks will probably be a leadoff guy. But if the A’s have a leadoff guy or two, then they’d be best served with the middle of the order guy (and migh be better off with him anyways).
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by Zonis on Aug 1, 2008 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do recall Jim Callis (in an ask BA of two weeks back) suggesting that the A’s will likely move Cardenas to third, and that he has the arm strength to do it.
I haven’t seen him play, so I cannot say either way, but with more power than weeks, and arm enough, he does seem likely.
However (and again, I haven’t seen him), his numbers suggest good gap power, but not HR. Does he project well, as far as power goes? He’d be more than anything else they have at 3B in the future, but it isn’t the best of fits—and batting order wise, seems more of a 2 or 7, rather than a 3, 4 or 5. This worries me a bit, because I’m not too sure where the power is, as far as the projected lineup goes: Gonzales has it in CF, which is nice. but the only other OF prospects that seems to have it are Dixon and Brown. Dixon is in rookie, so its hard to say with him, and Brown just moved to high A and has struggled so far (should be okay though). No guarantee either pan out though. Some of the 1b prospects might have something, with pop. Anybody have a read on whether Carter can stick at 3rd? Any other ideas on where the power might come from?
by haverecords on Aug 1, 2008 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I don’t think that Cardenas is ever going to have 30HR pop or anything, but I can see him settling into 17-22HR with 35+ doubles, which will lead to at least a decent SLG%. One guy that Zonis didn’t touch on is Cunningham, who can play all three OF spots, and who I think has 20-25HR potential. I know that some people think he’s somewhere between 4th OF and a starter, but I really think he’s going to be a solid starter, with a solid power and speed combo. I could see an OF of Brown/Gonzalez/Cunningham from L to R pretty easy (although I hope that Brown can cut it in CF), with Sweeney settling in as the 4th OF, since he can play three spots. Buck is a guy that I hope pans out, but I’m afraid he’s too fragile and will never fulfill his potential. He’d be a fine 4th OF on most teams, someone that can fill in when needed, but a guy I’d be worried about relying on as a starter due to the injury concerns.
"So's your mom"-David Sloane
by gatling on Aug 1, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For his own good, Buck needs to get traded
to a team that actually has some comprehension of how to prevent and treat injuries. The A’s are rapidly ruining his career. He’s now suffered the dreaded “two DL stints for the same concussion.”
Corey Brown is more of a natural RF than Cunningham, I think.
Overall I think the team needs to add another power threat to the outfield/DH mix. There’s a point of diminishing returns defense-wise—3 center fielders is better than 2 is better than 1, but the value drops off. Pat Burrell may be a farce in LF but I think the rest of the A’s defense can cover for him.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Aug 2, 2008 5:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat the Bat
I’d love to see Pat the Bat playing for Oakland. The only problem I see with that is we’d have to overpay him to get him to come to Oakland I think, because he’s an East Coast(or seems to be) and we won’t be contending for the next 2 years probably.
"So's your mom"-David Sloane
by gatling on Aug 2, 2008 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burrell went to high school in the Bay Area
at Bellarmine, if you’re familiar with the school. (I used to run into them fairly frequently at debate tournaments…)
Who knows, maybe he’s secretly always longed to return to his old prep stomping grounds…
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Aug 3, 2008 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
As I hinted in the Cunningham thread, Cunningham and his relative lack of serious pop for LF or RF will be an excellent fit if the A’s can get a mashing 1b or DH. Even if they don’t, having Gonzales’s power in CF will help with the middling power potential of Cunningham (assuming Gonzales’s power pans out as most expect).
In another note: I’ll be thrilled if Carter can stick at 3rd. That would certainly help with the power issue.
by haverecords on Aug 4, 2008 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am very high on Cunningham, and I think he could be in the Majors come September
as the team’s starting Centerfielder or Left Fielder.
And to be honest, until Sweeney develops some power, I think he’d be a good 4th outfielder, but not a good starter on a team with actual outfield depth. He has a shiney average, but he looks good mainly because the A’s offense is so bad.
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by Zonis on Aug 2, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cunningham
he does seem interesting, though power seems a bit of a question, just looking at the stats—though that is often the case for young OF prospects.
Your are probably right about Sweeney. Might be good trade bait, though.
by haverecords on Aug 3, 2008 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His power numbers a down a bit due to missing
2 months with a broken wrist. But he still had good power numbers in spite of that injury. I love the kid. Hes now hitting 318/386/500 not counting this HR he hit today. His OPS after tonight is .896.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 3, 2008 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cunningham just doubled
.901 OPS
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by Zonis on Aug 3, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha we are soo up to date.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 3, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So basically it looks like the As are going to have
A reasonable offense and some terrific pitching in 3-5 years.
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by OldProspects on Aug 1, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no mention...
i guess i’m not expecting much from these guys but if they are even useful it would be a nice surprise
OF: Hererra/Robnett/Putnam…hererra reaches minor league free agency after 09
SS: Sellers – his defense is supposedly great, had a very good HWB. then struggled in AA. it seems he does better when pennington isnt around and picked up his play in the past month.
Desme- out for season after 1 game played this week. 2nd rd 07 pick is looking not good at all, he’s barely played the last 2 yrs
SP Fernandez has solid stats in high A, now in AA. promoted w/ lansford to replace cahill/anderson
1b, now part time 3b tom everidge in AA, a bit old at 25, spent 2 seasons in stockton. but he’s a rare power hitter from the right side in the system. he’ll drive in 100+runs in midland. local bay area guy went to sonoma st.
lefty reliever brad kilby sjsu in AAA
i guess the komine/windsor trio never was. dan meyer has had 2 great months, 2 bad months in AAA. out of options in 09
by Asfan4ever723 on Aug 2, 2008 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meyer's 2 great months are the last two months though, so thats good
As for the rest, I didn’t include them because, aside from Fernandez (whom I both know little about, but know people who think highly of him), the rest are pretty much non prospects now (with the possible exception of Sellers, who as you said, can’t hit). Herrera is out of options, and will be let go next year since he will not make the major league team, and his tools have never panned out, along with a slew of injuries and a PED suspension. Robnett’s tools never came to be. Putnam put together some good years, but looks like he will either be a career AAAA player (most likely) or a fringe 5th outfielder. Everidge looks like a journyman, future AAAA guy now…
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by Zonis on Aug 2, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zonis your list is great, but I wanted to point out a couple of things that haven't been mentioned
I’m wondering whether Henry Rodriguez is being underrated because of his crappy control, which in turn have meant crappy numbers. I’ve seen a number of posters dismiss him as trade bait, as though he were Jesus Colome or Franklyn German or Edwardo Sierra. Heck Marcus McBeth seemed to have more fans.
To me, he seems to have by far the best upside in the organization, and is in the discussion for the best stuff in baseball among all prospects in five or more years. A guy who throws upper nineties, keeps his velocity into the 5th-6th inning despite high pitch counts, has too much movement to control and a real breaking ball doesn’t sound to me like a very common skill set.
It seems to me that the A’s, and A’s posters, have really underestimated both upside (Hamilton) and risk (Kendall) in player evaluation the past five years. In Baseball Prospectus parlance, they’ve focused too much on the mean projection and not given enough attention to the 90th percentile and 25th percentile projections. What am I missing?
On a minor note, you discuss a Hernandez (I assume Carlos), but I don’t see him listed. Where would you rank him in the hierarchy?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 4, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps the rest of MiLB can weigh in on this issue
because I think the statement that Rodriguez has the most upside in the system is ridiculous.
Do most people see greatly improved control as part of a player’s “upside”? I really don’t—pitchers with sucky control seem to me to usually continue to have sucky control throughout their careers. And if Rodriguez’s control continues to suck, there’s no way he’s close to the highest upside prospect in the system.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Aug 4, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are your thoughts on the idea that upside and downside aren't considered enough?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 5, 2008 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox
Catcher
Luis Exposito (A+)
Mark Wagner (AA)
Dusty Brown (AAA)
George Kottaras (AAA)
Ryan Lavarnway (shortseason)
Catcher’s a weak position in our organization. Brown and Kottaras both look like backup catchers in the big leagues, while Wagner got the defense to be a starter but needs to learn how to hit. The only one I really like is Exposito. He’s already a great defender, and his offense is finally there this year. Lavarnway was a 6th rounder from Yale this year, and he had a .398 average there, so he’s got good offense but he’s really raw defensively.
First Base
Lars Anderson (A+/AA)
Aaron Bates (AA)
Mike Jones (A+)
Anthony Rizzo (A-)
We’re really top heavy at first. Lars Anderson looks like a potential 30+ homer, 100+ RBI guy, but besides him we don’t have much. Bates looked real good last year, but this year he’s really tailed off. Mike Jones has looked terrific in Lancaster and Greenville to the tune of .318/.391/.456, but it’s Lancaster, so you really can’t take much from it. He’s a real unknown right nowI loved Rizzo earlier in the season, but he was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s Lymphoma in May. He’s supposed to recover from it, but cancer is definitely a major obstacle.
Second Base
Dustin Pedroia (MLB)
Ryan Dent (short season)
Chih-Hsien Chiang (A+)
Joe Thurston (AAA)
That’s really it for second. Pedroia’s awesome, already with a ROY and an All Star appearance on his resume. He’ll be playing there for the next 5-10 years for the Sox. Dent was a high pick for the Sox, and he’s shown tools and speed, but he’s really struggled for Lowell. Hopefully he’ll figure it out. Chiang is looking really good offensively in Lancaster, and I think he could become a major league 2B, but he really needs work on his defense. Thurston’s 28, but I thought I needed to put him on here. He is a FOUR time AAA All Star, which is very impressive, and is having a good season, but at best he’ll be a utility guy in the majors.
Third Base
Michael Almanzar (A-)
Will Middlebrooks (short season)
Almanzar is still really raw, but he is looking like a future superstar right now. He really excelled in the rookie league earlier in the year, and he’s held his own in low-A as a 17 year old. He’s looking like something special. Middlebrooks has a lot of great tools, a cannon arm at third, contact skills and power, but he still is struggling. He’s highly regarded by the Sox, though, so hopefully he can figure it out.
Shortstop
Jed Lowrie (AAA/MLB)
Argenis Diaz (AA)
Yamaico Navarro (A+)
Casey Kelly (rookie)
Lowrie’s offensively looking a ton better than Lugo in Boston right now, and he should become the shortstop for Boston next year. The only concerns with him are defense, but he’s done quite well so far and should stick at shortstop. Diaz is an amazing defender with amazing range, a terrific arm, and a great glove. His offense isn’t in the same league as his defense, but he does have good contact skills. Navarro is a line drive hitter with good power. He plays many positions, but shortstop is his main position. Could become a good shortstop or utilityman in the majors. Kelly has the potential to be a 20 homer shortstop on the big league level, but the Sox see his future in pitching, where he was seen as the most projectable pitcher in the draft by them.
Outfield
Jacoby Ellsbury (MLB)
Josh Reddick (AA)
Che-Hsuan LIn (A-)
Ryan Kalish (A-)
Jason Place (A+)
Chris Carter (AAA)
Ellsbury is a speedster on the basepaths who started out the year real well but has struggled mightily lately. He’s got 10-20 homer power as well, but has only shown glimpses of it earlier in the year. He’s been in a slump, but he should become at least an above average centerfielder int he big leages. Reddick is looking like he could become an above average player or star in the major leagues. He’s got great contact skills, and has good power as well. Plate discipline is a problem for him, but the Red Sox have been working with him on it and that seems to have improved in AA. His defense is great, and his arm is terrific in the outfield. The next three guys are guys with terrific tools. Lin was the MVP of the futures game, and he’s got tons of tools but hasn’t shown the power expect from him. Kalish had a great year last year, but has been slowed down this year from an injury. Place has huge power potential potential, but the strikeouts are killing him in Lancaster. Carter has consistently been producing in AAA, but his defense is, well, awful, but he’s got a great bat with good power. Overall, our outfield looks real good as far as depth goes, and looks to only get better with guys like Pete Hissey and Ryan Westmoreland hopefully signing with the Sox.
Starting Pitching
Jon Lester (MLB)
Clay Buchholz (MLB)
Justin Masterson (MLB)
Michael Bowden (AAA)
Kris Johnson (AA)
Brock Huntzinger (A-)
Nick Hagadone (A-)
Lester has become a terrific pitcher in the big leagues and is arguably the ace of the Sox staff right now. Buchholz has been struggling in the big leagues, but his stuff is amazing and looks to still be a future front of the rotation starter. The only concerns with Buchholz are fastball command and immaturity off the field. Masterson has been terrific for the Sox, with a sinker that is just nasty. If he stays a starter, he could become a number 2 or 3 starter. Bowden looks terrific this year, dominating AA hitters. He’s got great command of a 91-93 mile per hour fastball, but his velocity has been inconsistent this year. He’s got a plus curveball, and a changeup that is definitely still developing but could become a plus pitch. He looks to be a mid rotation starter in the big leagues. The rest of the guys all have a lot of potential and are solid prospects, and each could become great prospects, but it really is too early to tell with them.
Relief Pitching
Manny Delcarmen (MLB)
Daniel Bard (AA)
Last year, Delcarmen looked like a dominant set up. He struggled for most of this year, but has pitched much better as of late. He’s got a mid-high 90s fastball and a plus curveball with a good changeup. Bard has a fastball that has reached as high as 100, but struggles with control of it. He also has a slider that has looked a strikeout pitch for him. If he can improve command, he has the stuff to be a big league closer.
I decided to leave off most of our draft picks because truthfully I have no idea where they would rank in the system. The Sox farm system does look good though, with a lot of depth and a lot of high impact prospects that are pretty close to the big league club.
by aspeninthewindow on Aug 1, 2008 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Orioles
Catcher
Matt Wieters, 22, (A+/AA) 331 ABs- .351/.453/.592 21HR GRADE- A
Caleb Joseph, 22, (SS A) 136 ABs- .279/.318/.404 2HR GRADE- C
Everyone here knows what type of numbers Wieters has put up this season. He has not only hit for power, but he has done so while showing good plate discipline and limiting his strikeouts; as evidenced by his 1:1 K/BB ratio. Making him an even more impressive prospect is the fact that by all acounts he is a solid defensive catcher. The only thing that stands between him and the starting catching job in Baltimore next year could be the Orioles’ desire to prevent the arbitration clock from starting, but I would be surprised if Ramon Hernandez was not dealt in the off-season to make room for Matt. Behind Wieters the Orioles don’t have much in the way of catching prospects. The only even fringe prospect the Orioles have is Caleb Joseph, their 7th round pick in this years draft. Joseph is having a solid first year in pro ball, although at 22 he is old for the league. That being said at 6’3” 180 Caleb has plenty of room to fill out, and scouts say he is fairly athletic. I like Joseph, and think that he could eventually become a solid back up catcher.
First Base
Brandon Snyder, 21, (A+) 328 ABs- .293/.335/.473 10HR GRADE- B-
Chris Vinyard, 22, (A+) 326 ABs- .245/.340/.383 12HR GRADE- C-
The Orioles took Snyder with their first round pick in 2005. Since then Snyder has not flown through the minors like many of the other highly touted high school players of the 2005 draft, but he has not been a bust by any stretch either. Drafted as a catcher, and then moved to third, it now looks like Snyder’s long term home will be first. I’m cautiosly optimistic about Snyder. He won the Hawaii winter league bating title in the off-season, and after hitting .229 in April, and missing most of June with an injury he has seen his average climb almost to .300 at the outset of August. I saw Snyder play in June, and he had a real tough time laying off off-speed pitches down and out of the strike zone. Hopefully his increased production means he his pitch recognition has improved. Sndyer’s ceiling seems to be a 5, a quality major league first baseman, and it would huge for the Orioles is he was ready to take over the big league job in 2010, because with Millar a free agent at the end of this season, and Aubrey Huff a free agent at the end of 2009 and no other first base prospects in the high minors there will be a glaring hole at first base. Behind Snyder the Orioles don’t have much. Chris Vinyard is fringy prospect who has seen his production decline each of the past three seasons, and looks like he will never reach the majors.
Second Base
Ryan Adams, 21, (Low A) 337 ABs- .300/.355/.442 8HR 5/10 SB GRADE- C+
LJ Hoes, 18, (GCL) 87 ABs- .310/.439/.414 0HR 4/4 SB GRADE- C+
With Brian Roberts likely on the move this off-season it is troubling to see that the organizations talent at second is in the low minors. That being said the two prospects the O’s do have at 2nd are very interesting. Ryan Adams, picked by the Orioles in the second round of 2006, reminds me a lot of former Oriole farmhand Mike Fontenot. Both are second baseman from Louisiana who are known more for their bats than their gloves. Adams’ .300 average is certainly not a “soft .300” as he has 30 extra base hits this year, unfortunately he has 42 errors on the year, most of the throwing variety. The defense must be improved as Adams moves through the minors, but all in all I think his bat makes him a good prospect. The other Orioles second base prospect is LJ Hoes, their 3rd round pick in this years draft. Hoes played the outfield in high school, but has been moved to second by the O’s. Obviously it is waaaaaay to early to delve into too much detail about Hoes as he has yet to have 100 professional at bats, but the one thing that has stuck out has been his patient eye at the plate. In merely 87 at bats Hoes has already walked 20 times, while only striking out 11. Certainly a very encouraging sign for a young hitter.
Short Stop
Pedro Florimon, 21, (Low A) 180 ABs- .200/.260/.256 8/8 SB GRADE- D+
Ever since the Miguel Tejada trade the short stop position for the Orioles might be the weakest position in all of baseball. There are only stop-gaps and journeymen at the major league level, Alex Cintron, Brandon Fahey, Juan Castro, Freddie Bynum, ect…. And the minor league system is completely bare. Florimon will almost certainly not be on any prospect lists next year, but I included him here only to underscore how berift the system is of talent. I really know nothing of Florimon except that he is fairly young, he is 6’2”, and switch hits. I hope as an O’s fan that he is a wizard with the glove, and fills out his frame a bit so that he can at least get his average above the mendoza line. Finding a short stop will certainly be a priority in the off-season at the major league level, and signign Greg Miclat, the O’s 5th round pick out of UVA, should be high on scouting director Joe Jordan’s to do list.
Third Base
Mike Costanzo, 24, (AAA) 380 ABs- .255/.327/.389 10HR 2/4 SB GRADE- C+
First traded to Houston as a part of the Brad Lidge trade, then aquired from Houston in the Miguel Tejada trade. Has not shown the same power he did for AA Reading last year. Strikeouts continue to be a problem, 128 so far this season. Projects as at best a platoon player, more likely a power bat off the bench.
Scott Moore, 24, (AAA) 287 ABs- .247/.321/.408 7 HR 3/3 SB GRADE- C+
Former first round pick of the Tigers. Aquired from the Cubs for Steve Traschell last August. Can play first and the outfield corners, and in spring training played a little second. Has turned it on after a terrible April and May. Should be in the majors for good next year as a versitile utility man.
Billy Rowell, 19, (A+) 280 ABs- .232/.303/.354 5 HR 0/4 SB GRADE- B-
Rowell was the Orioles’ first round pick in the 2006 draft, and this year has struggled mightily as a 19 year old in high A. Although the power has not yet shown as a pro, Rowell is still growing into his huge 6’5” frame, and with his sweet left handed swing it is only a matter of time before it does. While his offense should come around there is no chance that Rowell can stay at third. He has a powerful arm, but lacks range and quickness to play third. Long term I think Rowell will be a Aubrey Huff like player, a very good hitter who dabbles defensively at 3rd, Right, and 1st, but spends a majority of his time as a designated hitter. John will probably grade Rowell as a C+/C player, but I am confident that Rowell’s bat will come around.
Tyler Henson, 20, (Low A) 393 ABs- .275/.313/.377 6 HR 16/18 SB GRADE- B-
Henson is one of my favorite players in the O’s system. Drafted out of high school as a short stop in the 5th round of the 2006 draft Henson has been moved to third as a pro. Henson has been very succesfull on the bases as a pro, and projects to hit for more power as he matures. The major concern about Henson is his lack of patience at the plate. He has only walked 19 times this year, something he will have to improve as he climbs through the system. John will probably rate Henson as a C+ prospect, but I really like him.
Tyler Kolodny, 20, (SS A) 140 ABs- .250/.369/.386 3 HR 4/7 SB GRADE- C-
Drafted in the 16th Round of last years draft out of high school in California Kolodny played very well in his pro debut. Scouts raved about the energy he brought to the park, and baseball america dubbed him a “grinder”. Kolodny is far away, but a name to keep your eye on
Overall third base is the Orioles’ strongest position as far as depth with a prospect at almost every level. Unfortunately Moore and Costanzo do not project as regulars, and Rowell will eventually have to move off the position. With Melvin Mora a free agent at the end of 2009 the Orioles will have to look outside the organization for his replacement, because niether Henson nor Kolodny will be major league ready by then.
Corner Outfield
RF- Nick Markakis, 24, (MAJ)
LF- Luuuuuuke Scott, 30, (MAJ)
Nolan Reimold, 24, (AA) 408 ABs- .289/.364/.498 18HR 7/9 SB GRADE- B
Brandon Tripp, 23, (A+) 343 ABs- .236/.300/.373 11HR 9/12 SB GRADE- C
Kieron Pope, 21, (Low A) 329 ABs- .228/.292/.392 11HR 6/7 SB GRADE- C
The corner spots for the Orioles are in much better shape long term, at the major league level, than most other positions. Nick Markakis is entrenched as the right fielder for years to come, while Luke Scott has done a good job in left field since coming over from Houston. Next year with Jay Payton likely gone, Nolan Reimold will slide from right to left and team with Scott to man left field. On most days Reimold will play left, while Scott will DH. While the major leagues should be set at the corners for years to come the minor league system, aside from Reimold is pretty bare. Brandon Tripp, who came into the season with high expectations, has struggled mightily in the second half after being named to the carolina league all star team. Kieron Pope, 2005 4th round pick, has finally stayed healthy after several injury plauged seasons. While healthy Pope has shown the raw power that make him so intriguing to scouts, but has struggled to consistently get on base.
Center Field
Adam Jones, turned 23 today, (MAJ)
Matt Angle, 22, (Low A) 386 ABs- .285/.370/.376 3HR 28/37SB GRADE- C+
Kyle Hudson, 21, (SS A) DL GRADE C
Xavier Avery, 18, (GCL) 109 ABs- .303/.345/.367 0 HR 8/10 SB GRADE- B-
The Centerfield talent in the Orioles’ system is in the low minors, but with Adam Jones patrolling center their is no hurry. Each of the Orioles’ three centerfield prospects can fly. Angle, a 7th round pick in 2007 out of Ohio St., at 22 is a little old for Low A, but his ability to work counts and draw works, an essential characteristic of a good leadoff man is encouraging. Angle has little power and projects as a Scott Podsednick type player. Hudson and Avery were both taken in this years draft, and both are former football players. Hudson was the 4th round pick this year, and played WR at Illinois for 3 years. He signed quickly and started his pro career at Short Season Aberdeen only to break his wrist. Hudson like Angle is a speedster who knows his limitations and concentrates on getting on-base and utilizing his speed. Avery, the Orioles 2nd rounder, passed up a scholarship from the University of Georgia to play baseball, and possess the most raw talent of the three. I’m a little surprised the Orioles used both their 2nd and 4th round picks on very similar players.
Starting Pitching
Majors:
Garrett Olsen, 24
Has struggled in the big leagues so far this year, but has nothing left to prove at AAA. Needs to figure out how to get himself out of trouble. Still young and I look for him to become a 3/4 starter down the road.
AAA:
Rhadames Liz, 24, 60IP- 4.05 ERA 25/58 BB/K .252 BAA 0.74 GO/AO GRADE- B-
Pitched ok in AAA, but was hammered in the majors to an era of 7.47. Liz has good stuff, a fastball in the mid 90’s, although it is a little bit flat as evidenced by 12 HRs in 47IP, a change up that has sharp downward action, and an ok slider. The problem with Liz is that his command is poor and it allows hitters to sit on his fastball and hammer it. I think Liz will always be suceptable to the long ball, but if he can find better command he will have no problem holding down a rotation spot. There has been some talk of moving Liz into the bulpen, and that may be his eventual home.
Hayden Penn, 23, 94IP- 4.98 ERA 34/62 BB/K .279 BAA 1.34 GO/AO GRADE- C+
Penn like Liz, has good stuff, but his command holds him back. Penn has pitched all year at AAA, but has not been able to put it all together. Penn has a fastball that sits in the low to mid 90’s, and a big overhand curve. Penn is still young and has time to improve, but I now see him as more of a back end of the rotation starter.
Troy Patton, 22, DL- GRADE- B
Patton was a part of the Miguel Tejada trade, but was unable to pitch at all this year due to a torn bicep. John gave troy a B+ last year, and Baseball America ranked him behind only Wieters and Liz in the Orioles’ system. If Patton can comeback healthy next year he would be a major boost to the Orioles who desperately need starting pitching.
AA:
Brad Bergesen, 22, 117.1IP- 2.68 ERA 20/58BB/K .248BAA 1.55GO/AO GRADE- B-
Bergesen may be the exact opposite of Liz and Penn, he doesn’t have great stuff, but he gets hitters out with command and movement. Bergesen reminds me a little of Kevin Slowey, and I’m very interested to see how his stuff will play at higher levels. Many might see my grade as too low, but I’m worried he doesn’t have the stuff to become a starter in the bigs.
Chris Tillman, 20, 100.2IP- 3.67ERA 54/103 BB/K .238BAA 0.85GO/AO GRADE- B+
Tillman was aquired from Seattle in the Eric Bedard deal, and so far he has excelled in double while being the youngest pitcher in the league. Tillman has a projectable 6’5” frame and scouts believe he could add velocity as he gets older. The Orioles want to see Tillman improve his change-up in the minors, and will move him along slowly. He will almost cerainly finish 2008 in AA, and should begin 2009 in AAA.
David Hernandez, 23, 109.1 IP- 2.63ERA 55/129 BB/K .213BAA 0.64GO/AO GRADE-B
Hernandez has been absolutely filthy this year. Striking out more than a batter an inning, and holding opponents to a miniscule .213 batting average against. The feeling around baseball is that Hernandez has good, but not great stuff, but his stuff plays up because of the amount of deception in his delivery. Hernandez has struggled with command in the past, but hopefully thsoe problems are behind him. I see Hernandez becoming a solid major league starter, but not a front of the rotation guy like his numbers suggest.
Jason Berken, 24, 116IP- 3.49ERA 27/99 BB/K .262BAA 1.03 GO/AO GRADE-B-
A survivor of tommy john, Berken was picked out of Clemson by the O’s in the 6th round of the 2006 draft. Berken was on very few prospect radars coming into the year, not in the top 30 according to Baseball America, and John didn’t put him in the top 20, but did give him a C. So far this year Berken has been solid. Like Bergesen he has shown good command, 27BB, but has also shown the ability to strike hitters out, 99K. Berken has been a pleasent surprise for the O’s and should eventually fit into the back end of the rotation.
Chorye Spoone, 22, 41.1 IP- 4.57ERA 27/32 BB/K .252BAA 2.38 GO/AO GRADE-B
It has been a frustrating year for Spoone who hasn’t been able to get on track due to injuries. The O’s had high hopes for Spoone heading into the year, but he landed on the DL at the start of the year, came back in June only to go back on it in early July. At this point I hope Spoone can come back and be healthy for winterball or the start of next season. In my eyes spoone looks like a very underated prospect. He has the rare combination of low BAA, .200 last year, high strike out totals, and a high ground ball ratio, over 2 the last two seasons. My B grade might be too optimistic for many, but Spoone is one of my favorites.
A+:
Jake Arrieta, 22, 113IP- 2.87 ERA 51/120 BB/K .199 BAA 1.14 GO/AO GRADE- B+
The O’s invested 1.1 million in Arrieta last year when they picked him in the 5th round, and Arrieta has not disapointed. He has owned Carolina league competition, and is now off to compete in the Olympics. Arrieta is the only player in Hi A on team USA’s roster. Arrieta should gain valuable experience competing against some of the worlds best, and should start next year in AA. Arrieta profiles as a front of the rotation starter.
Pedro Beato, 21, 65.2IP 4.93 ERA 18/36 BB/K .290 BAA 1.27 GO/AO GRADE- C
Beato has had a disapointing year. He was a supplemental first round pick in 2006, and had a solid first two seasons, but he has seen his velocity drop this year. With lower velocity Beato has gotten hit hard. The Orioles hope the velocity will comeback and Beato can regain his 2007 form. Beato is still very young, and if his velocity comes back his grade could jump.
Brandon Erbe, 20, 120.2 IP- 4.40 ERA 38/122 BB/K .227 BAA 0.75 GO/AO GRADE- B
When Erbe is on he is close to unhitable. He throws in the low to mid 90’s with a devestating slider, and a change-up that he is working on. Erbe has struggled with the HR, giving up 18 of them. If he could cut down on the gopher balls his ERA would plumet, because his BAA is extremely low, and he had much better command this year. Erbe is a solid prospect who should begin next year in AA.
Low A:
Sean Gleason, 22, 114.1 IP- 2.68 ERA 30/82 BB/K .223 BAA 1.35 GO/AO GRADE- C
Gleason was a 20th round pick out of St. Mary’s college in the 2007 draft. I really don’t know anything about him other than that. I assume that he gets by with good command rather than great stuff, which is why he fell until the 20th round, but I don’t know for sure. Certainly seems like a prospect to watch. Hopefully he will be a draft day steal for the O’s.
Luis Noel, 20, 112.1 IP- 3.77 ERA 52/97 BB/K .241 BAA 0.93 GO/AO GRADE- C
Born in the Domincan Republic, prospect to watch as he goes up through the system.
John Mariotti, 23, 32 IP- 2.81 ERA 6/25 BB/K .174 BAA 6.67 GO/AO GRADE- C+
Picked in the 18th round of the 2007 draft, Mariotti was off to a great start to the 2008 season before he got hurt. He has just come off the disabled list recently and is probably the Orioles’ biggest sleeper prospect. The ground out to air out might look like a result of the small sample size at first glance, but it’s not. Last year Mariotti posted a 5.92 ratio in short season ball. Mariotti is a guy who could rise quickly.
Tony Butler, 20, 55 IP- 4.42 ERA 11/44 BB/K .273 BAA 0.84 GO/AO GRADE- C+
Butler, a 6’7” lefty was a part of the Eric Bedard deal. Butler got hurt in mid june and is yet to make a start. The injury is not believed to be serious, so hopefully Butler can return and have a strong final month of the season.
Zach Britton, 20, 117.2 IP- 2.83 ERA 35/85 BB/K .221 BAA 2.98 GO/AO GRADE- B-
Britton, the O’s 3rd round pick in 2006 is the best left handed pitching prospect in the system. He throws a low 90’s fastball, and a slider and change-up that are developing. A strong season in Hi A next year and Britton could have a B or B+ grade.
Short Season A:
Richard Zagone, 21, 23.1 IP- 3.09 ERA 7/30 BB/K .261 BAA 1.77 GO/AO GRADE- C
6th Round pick from this years draft out of Missouri, off to a good pro start. Overshadowed in college by Crow, could be a solid pick.
Brian Matusz????
Overall the Orioles have a very strong group of pitchers in the minor leagues. The group may only trail the Rays and A’s if Matusz signs. There is good depth at every level, and there is both depth and impact in the system. Tillman, Arrieta, Erbe, and Matusz all profile at the front of a rotation, while Bergesen, Hernandez, Berken all have the potential to make it in a big league rotation. Furthermore, the low-minors are stocked with prospects. Unfortunately for the Orioles as a franchise the major league rotation has been awful outside of Jeremy Guthrie. For the Orioles to compete in the brutal AL East it is their pitching that must carry them.
Relief Pitching
Major Leagues:
Jim Johnson, 25
Chris Ray, 26
Matt Albers, 25
Dennis Sarfate, 27
Randor Bierd, 24
AAA:
Kam Mickolio, 24, (AA/AAA) 49IP- 3.86ERA 26/52 BB/K .230 BAA 1.58 GO/AO GRADE-C+
Kam was a part of the Eric Bedard trade, and has pitched great since promotion to AAA, 1 run in 10.2 innings. He is a huge reliever who stands 6’9”. Kam looks like he could be ready to help in the O’s bulpen next year.
Jim Hoey, 25, DL GRADE- C
Hoey has missed all of 2008 while needing Tommy John. He has already recovered from the injury once in his career. He was poised to make a solid contribution to the O’s bulpen in 2008 before the injury, hopefully he can pick up where he left off in 2009.
Bob McCrory, 26, 28.2 IP- 3.14 ERA 13/26 BB/K .252 BAA 2.28 GO/AO GRADE- C
McCrory is a flame-thrower who made his major league debut this season. McCrory is limited by his poor command. If McCrory can harness some of his stuff he could be a valuable peice of the bulpen for the Orioles in 2009.
AA:
Wilfredo Perez, 23, (A+/AA) 66IP- 2.45ERA 36/81 BB/K .203 BAA 1.92 GO/AO GRADE- C+
Wilfredo is a left handed reliever with filthy stuff. He has a nasty curveball and a fast ball that sits around 92. Like many hard throwers he struggles with command, but he has the potential to be a left handed specialist out of the pen along the lines of Renyel Pinto of the marlins.
The Orioles bulpen should be a strength of the team for a long time to come. With a plethora of young hard throwing righties, including the return of Ray and Hoey from the DL there should be a lot of competition for the final spots in the pen during spring training. The Orioles are light on lefties in their pen, and Perez will not be ready for 2009, so it might make sense to slide Johnson into the closers role allowing Sherrill to pitch against tough lefties earlier in the game, and give the set-up role to Chris Ray.
Orioles system seems to be on the rise, but they have a lot of holes to fill at the major league level. One thing that I noticed is that the Orioles have the potential to be strong up the middle with Jones, Wieters and a good amount of pitching prospects. Short stop and second base need to be filled long term though.
by Birdfan01 on Aug 1, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Twins
Catcher
1. MLB Joe Mauer, 26
2. AAA Jose Morales, 25, B- .315/ 348/ 426
Has the potential to be a high average hitter, as he proved that last season in AAA for the Red Wings and was rewarded with a late season call up by the Twins last season….Still lacks power sort of like Joe Mauer, and defensively lacks a little arm strenght but is a Great game caller, and on the basepaths maintains decent speed.
3. A+ Wilson Ramos, 20, B .277/ 336/ 425
Started off 2008 slowly for the Fort Myers Miracle, but is really coming on as of late tallying 11 home runs and 65 RBI’s through August 1st. Defensively he is more established then any other catcher in the Twins system that has a chance both offensively and defensively, has been compared to Pudge Rodriquez defensively…
3. Rookie Ball Danny “Bam-Bam” Rams, 19, C+ .255/ 321/ 490
Playing for the E-Town Twins, Rams is still very raw, hasn’t learned how to hit to all fields yet but, probably the best word to describe Rams is Tank, as he is built like one and Power is his sinlge best atttribute, althouhg he hasn’t exactly known how to convert it into game situations.
One word description: the good-Power, the bad-Raw
First Base/ DH
1. MLB Justin Morneau, 27
2. AA Eric Lis, 24, C+ DH .268/ 307/ 456
Lis really doesn’t have a True Position as he stinks in Right Field, and isn’t well enough adapted to play 1st base. However, The Twins seem to be higher on him then any other DH/ 1st basemen in their entire organization as of right now, Lis started off 2008 in High A ball; so his total numbers for this year are actually a bit higher.
3. AA Brock Peterson, 24, C .263/ 327/ 451
I personally don’t think much of him at all, probobly nothing more then what former prospect Garrett Jones is/was to the Twins…Peterson could have and should have been in AAA by now, but, is still down a level, largely because his K rates are essentially 3:1 compared to taking walks. (93 K’s, 36 BB’s)
4, Rookie Ball Jonathen Waltenbury, 20, B+ .321/ 383/ 564
Waltenbury is probably the best True 1st base prospect in the Twins system, Jonathen stands at 6’4’’ and 230 lbs. and should develop into the Power hitting 1st basemen the Twins like and really need for their minor league system. Waltenbury has hit 6 homers in 165 AB’s for The E-Town Twins. Next season will tell us a lot about him and could rise quickly…
Second Base
1. MLB Alexi Casilla, 24 15 day DL
2. AAA Luke Hughes, 23, B+ .320/ 383/ 548
Hughes has spent all but the last week in AA New Britian destroying the Eastern League this year. He might be viewed by the Twins and other 3rb base Thin Organizations as a Hot Corner type of prospect, But I’m hear to tell you if He was in most other Organizations he’d flat out be a second basemen. Hughes has tallied 15 home-runs in 294 AB’s…this year
3. AA Steven Tolleson, 24, B .315/ 399/ 477
Over the last 2-3 weeks Hughes was in AA, Tolleson wsa easily outplaying him to the point Hughes wasn’t even getting regular playing time. Tolleson’s insane .399 On-base percentage should open more eyes, he posssess decent speed, with marginal power, but is very sound defensively.
4. AA Brian Dinkleman, 24, C+ .276/ 371/ 382
5. A+ Steven Singleton, 22, B .297/ 359/ 429
Third Base
1a. MLB Brendon Harris, 28
1b. MLB Brian Buscher, 27
2. AA Danny Valencia, 23, B- .311/ 372/ 461
Valencia, like many of these prospects.....started the year off at a level lower…..and hasn’t really done a whole lot in AA through 160 AB’s except maintain his nice Batting Average. The Twins have very few third base prospects in the System, so there is a sense of Valencia being “the Guy” of the future… THe Twins have tried playing 2b Luke Hughes & SS Trevor Plouffe at third base, but IMO it hasn’t worked out….
Danny Valencia has only tallied a total of 7 Homers so far this season.
3. A Deibinson Romero, 21, C+ .268/ 309/ 396
basically, has been a disapointment for the Twins this year…
in 2007 in Rookie Ball Romero helped the E-Town Twins go the distance as he was their MVP posting numbers such as: .316/406/506 last year. hitting 9 homers…
Shorstop
1. MLB Nick Punto, 30
2. AAA Trevor Plouffe, 22, C+ .257/ 303/ 403
started the year off in AA and did well, without shining brightly. Plouffe a former 1st round draft selection, has risen nicely through the Twins system, but many see him as only a utility type of player, or a fifth infielder. A lot like Nick Punto’s value….
Plouffe is someone that I have compared to Khaili Green of the San Diego Padres someone who has quite a bit of power but will likely hit for a low average…
Corner Outfield
1. MLB Michael Cuddyer, 29
2. MLB Delmon Young, 22
3. AA Dustin Martin, 24, B- .287/ 359/ 428
Martin is one of two players the Twins recieved for the Luis Castillo- Mets trade exactly 12 months ago at this time last year. Martin at the Time wasn’t viewed to be much of anything but since has really mad himself into one of the better Corner outfield prospects the Twins possess. Likely won’t be anything more then a 3rd/4th outfielder in the Majors, still possess fine skills probably close to a 5-tool player. Especially if he can develop a little more power.
4. Rookie Ball Aaron Hicks, 19 B .330/417/482
The first round draft pick in this years first year player draft in June.
Has been doing quite well in the leadoff hole for the Gulf Coast Twins. Obviously the Grade is a bit premature but, as one MLB scout said, “Hicks may be the best player of that OF group” That Group is:
C. Parmelee
J. Benson
B. Revere
C. Gomez
D. Span .......thats saying something right there…
Center Field
1a MLB Denard Span, 24
1b MLB Carlso Gomez, 22
2. A Ben Revere, 20, A- .400/ 453/ 534
Wow thats all I have to say! -Easily the Twins #1 Prospect on their entire Farm
He may never be a 5-tool player (lacking Power) but is capable of stealing 60 bases or more and maybe he’s the next closest thing to Ted WIlliam’s legendary .400 batting average in the Majors…. Revere is a prototypicall leadoff hitter and will likely be a cataylst at the Top of the Twins lineup for years to come… In the New Stadium that is…..
Revere is so good this year, I’ll put out his entire stat line for 2008
Team League AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS
BEL MID .399 69 283 42 113 17 9 1 39 151 23 27 34 12 .453 .534 .987
Starting Pitchers
MLB
1. Baker
2. Perkins
3. Blackburn
4. Liriano (just got promoted with Livan Hernadez being released)
5. Slowey
Prospects
1. Manship AA The best curveball in the Twins system and pumps fastballs
2. Mulvey AAA One of the 4 pieces the Twinks recieved for Johan.
3. Guerra A+ Main cog in Johan Trade not really doing much good…
4. Robertson A+ (shut down for rest of season, elbow-tendanitis)
5. Swarzak AAA despite the recent promotion, not having the year he envisioned
6. DeVries A+ Going up, up and away might be moved up again….
7. Duensing AAA (is on the USA oylimpic Team right now)
8. McCardell A Needs to be promoted to either AA or A+...
9. Burnett A+ Not a K master, but shows Great controll
10. Bromberg A Personally, one of my Favorite Twins prospects…
11. Pino AA not the prospect he once was, but still valuable
12. Mullins AA (probably swithcing over to relief pitcher)
13. Arias A Good, young, imposing
14. Tarsi A Having a pretty average year
15. Reyes A Good looking young starter here, 6’7” tall
16. Rainville AA Tough tough year, really losing prospectus status
17. Sosa A+ Horrible season, similar to Jay Rainville
18. Waldrop A+ (missed most of year with injury)
19. Humber AAA Not a prospect anymore in my book, The Mets can have him back
20. Berlind A Crappy Year, lost all his value, stock
Relief Pitchers
MLB
Cl- Joe Nathan, 33
1. A+ Anthony Slama, 24, A 0.92 ERA, K:BB- 90/19, 1.52-GO/AO Simply Dominated the Florida State League in A+ ball… but at age 24, its long overdue for his promotion to AA
2. AA Robert Delaney, 23, B+ 1.34 ERA, K:BB-60/7, .85-GO/AO not quite as dominate as Slama but got promoted earlier this year over Anthony Slama because he shows slightly better command and control.
3. AA Armando Gabino, 24, B- 3.11 ERA, K:BB-49/21, .86-GO/AO Like his current role for New Britian, The Twins envisoin Gabino as a future set-up guy sort of lIke what Jaun Rincon once was.
4. AAA Tim Lahey, 26, C-
Having a really surprisingly awful year…its been awkward to say the least.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 2, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I used to go to New Britain games, and the fans likened Brock Peterson to the Incredible Hulk. A big, hulking, strikeout and home run machine.
by onholliday on Aug 4, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
This is a heck of an undertaking. I might try doing this for the Rays later on.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Aug 4, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rays
Using the modified rules (guys with at least three years of team control remaining):
C:
1. Dioner Navarro – MLB (24)
2. Shawn Riggans – MLB (28)
3. John Jaso – AAA (24) – .278/.408/.405 in 284 ABs in Montgomery with a 33/62 K/BB ratio (yes, almost twice as many walks as strikeouts), .370/.370/.500 in 46 ABs in Durham. Keeps hitting, but defense is still marginal for a major league catcher. Might be able to find a niche as someone who can back up at catcher, 1B and DH if he can keep his major league OPS in the .800 range.
4. Jake Jeffries – SS (20) – .293/.373/.436 in 140 ABs, 16/15 K/BB ratio. 3rd round pick this year.
5. Nevin Ashley – A+ (23) – .227/.328/.298 in A+. Not a good enough defender to advance that far if he can’t remember how to hit.
6. Michael McCormick – A- (21) – .216/.271/.348 in Columbus. Did well previous year after converting to catcher, but not so much this year. Still has great tools and projectability, and has cut his K rate pretty significantly.
1B:
1. Dan Johnson – AAA (almost 29) – .300/.414/.545 in AAA. Was claimed off waivers earlier in the year, is being stashed away and probably will be added to the roster in September so the team has him to DH for the next few years, if nobody else can be signed.
2. Rhyne Hughes – AA (24) – .272/.359/.458 in AA. Supposedly a solid defender, and was a top-20 prospect in the FSL last year, but I don’t see him hitting enough to make it to the show.
3. Chris Nowak – AA (25) – .309/.399/.514 in AA. Has always reminded me of Kevin Millar, and is taking a similar career path. Can also play 3B, but is a plus defender at 1B. Will need some luck to get to the majors, but I have little doubt that he could hit enough to play in the majors if he gets there.
4. Eligio Sonoqui – Rookie (20) – .291/.373/.397 in Rookie Ball. Finally having his first healthy season. Has shown big time batting cage power, has room to fill out.
2B:
1. Willy Aybar – MLB (25)
2. Elliott Johnson – AAA (24) – .260/.317/.428 in Durham. Made it to the majors, which is pretty good for a guy who was an undrafted free agent, but probably isn’t in the team’s long-term plans unless Aki gets injured.
3. Elias Otero – Rookie (20) – .350/.413/.579 in Princeton. Undrafted free agent from Puerto Rico Baseball Academy is catching some notice.
SS:
1. Jason Bartlett – MLB (28)– Between Brignac’s mediocre season and his defense, I think he’s passed Brignac on the long-term depth chart, although one of them will probably have to move either way.
2. Reid Brignac – AAA (22) – .246/.294/.410 in Durham
3. Tim Beckham – Rookie (18) – .208/.268/.257 in Princeton, 7 errors. It’s just rookie ball.
4. Ben Zobrist – AAA (26) – .366/.471/.577 in Durham, .230/.288/.486 in MLB this year in 74 ABs. Likely utilityman of the future. Keeps hitting well in the minors, not as well in his chances in the majors.
3B:
1. Evan Longoria – MLB (22)
(Willy Aybar)
2. Joel Guzman – AAA (23) – .245/.273/.437 in Durham – Still relatively young, but out of options next year combined with an inability to take a pitch means it’s unlikely he’s still on the roster by the beginning of next season. Poor man’s Tony Batista.
(Chris Nowak)
3. Burt Reynolds – Rookie (19) – .299/.353/.474 in Princeton. And yes, he’s Dominican.
Corner OF:
1. Gabe Gross – MLB (28)
2. Justin Ruggiano – AAA (26) – .313/.371/.522 in Durham, .290/.333/.452 in MLB in 31 ABs.
3. Ryan Royster – A+ (22) – .258/.300/.361 in 350 ABs. Was HORRIBLE in the first half, after a monster season in low-A. Has picked it up significantly lately, with an .794 OPS since the all-star break. I wonder whether there was a distraction in his life in the first half, or if he wasn’t completely healthy.
4. Reid Fronk – A- (22) – .270/.377/.463 in Columbus. Average tools all the way around.
5. KD Kang – SS (20) – .268/.350/.452 in Hudson Valley. Shows plus power and patience, but the power hasn’t translated into games yet.
6. Jason Corder – SS (22) – .347/.379/.508 in 121 ABs. 7th round draft pick. Showed better power in college than former teammate Evan Longoria, FWIW.
CF:
1. BJ Upton – MLB (23)
Desmond Jennings – A+ (21) – .259/.360/.412 in limited action in Vero Beach – Has been injured in one way or another most of the year. When healthy, still looks like a future star.
2. Fernando Perez – AAA (25) – .281/.351/.380 in Durham
3. John Matulia – A+ (21) – .303/.361/.386 in Vero Beach. Speed might be too fringy for ML CF, and power is too fringy for corner OF, so we’ll see how far he gets.
4. DJ Jones – Rookie (18) – .220/.310/.320. Plus tools all the way around, hasn’t done much on field yet though.
5. Ty Morrison – Who knows. Signed, but hasn’t played yet. This year’s 4th rounder. Projectable HSer, Oregon state POY
RHSP:
1. James Shields – MLB (26)
2. Matt Garza – MLB (24) – Seems to be improving over the course of the season, and on some days looks flat out unhittable.
3. Wade Davis – AAA (22) – 2.25 ERA, 23/11 K/BB in 24 IP in Durham, 3.85 ERA, 81/42 K/BB in 103 IP in Montgomery. Performance took a step back in AA this year, but he’s been dealing in AAA so far. Still has major league stuff, still is a solid prospect.
4. Jeremy Hellickson – AA (21) – 4.37 ERA, 41/7 K/BB ratio in 45 IP in Montgomery, 2.00 ERA, 83/5 K/BB in 77 IP in Vero Beach. Seems to be starting to settle down in AA. Has the makings of three plus pitches, we’ll see how they develop. Already has plus control and command.
5. Edwin Jackson – MLB (24) – Seems to be putting it together, but can still be frustratingly inconsistent, and still doesn’t have a real out pitch. ERA+ of 101 this year.
6. Andy Sonnanstine – MLB (25) – Not bad when the 8th starter on your depth chart has an ERA+ of 92 in 133 IP. FIP is significantly better than his actual ERA, but I suspect some of that may have to do with his relatively low velocity.
7. Jeff Niemann – AAA (25) – 3.61 ERA, 91/38 K/BB in 99 IP. Looks great for three or four starts, then gets hammered. Barring a catastrophy, will be in the Rays bullpen next year, as he’s out of options and he has two plus pitches in his fastball and curve.
8. Nick Barnese – SS (19) – 2.79 ERA, 61/18 K/BB in 48 IP. Haven’t seen a scouting report for him this year, but last year was 89-92 with plus movement on his FB. Last year’s third rounder. The front office really likes this kid.
9. Heath Rollins – A+ (23) – 3.47 ERA, 111/26 K/BB in 130 IP. Gets a lot of comparisons to fellow Winthrop alum Kevin Slowey, but not quite as good of control. Three solid average pitches and decent control.
10. Alex Cobb – A- (20) – 3.34 ERA, 81/28 K/BB in 116 IP, 1.93 G/A, 1.08 WHIP. Good sinker, other pitches are catching up.
11. Mitch Talbot – AAA (24) – 4.11 ERA, 110/24 K/BB in 131 IP. Probably a fringe major leaguer. Has a couple options left, so he’ll probably be stashed in Durham for a while in case of injuries, etc.
12. Chris Mason – AAA (24) – 6.31 ERA, 81/35 K/BB in 97 IP. Horrible year in AAA after having a great season last year in AA. Has plenty of time to come around, but by the time he gets there, the major league bullpen might already be full.
13. Joseph Cruz – Rookie (20) – 3.55 ERA, 42/8 K/BB ratio in 38 IP in Princeton. Projectable.
14. Matt Walker – A+ (21) – Control fell apart last year, never came back, and then got busted for steroids. Still young and still has great stuff, but that’s a lot to overcome.
LHSP:
1. Scott Kazmir – MLB (24)
2. David Price – AA (22) – 2.08 ERA, 48/12 K/BB in 51 IP in Montgomery, 1.82 ERA, 37/7 K/BB ratio in 35 IP in Vero Beach. Should be in the majors before September 1.
3. Jake McGee – AA (21) – 3.94 ERA, 65/37 K/BB ratio in 78 IP in Montgomery. Out for the rest of the year with TJ, still more than young enough to make a full recovery. Stuff took a bit of a step back this year, and it’s unclear whether the elbow had been bothering him all year.
4. James Houser – AA (23) – 3.03 ERA, 69/34 K/BB ratio in 86 IP in Montgomery. Numbers against lefties are killer, so he has a shot at being a loogy someday, but for someone who used to throw gas, his velocity is just horrible, sitting in the mid-to-low 80’s these days. Then again, JP Howell makes it work. Also got suspended for PED use last year. Never put any weight onto his lanky frame.
5. Matt Moore – Rookie (19) – 2.59 ERA, 53/13 K/BB ratio, 23 HA in 35 IP. Low 90’s fastball, projectable, was a 2-sport star in HS.
6. Glenn Gibson – I’ll just say he’s had a horrible year this year. ERA around 7.5 in A- with as many walks as strikeouts, demoted back to short season.
RP:
1. Grant Balfour – MLB (30) – 1.44 ERA, 48/13 K/BB in 31 IP in the majors; 0.38 ERA, 39/10 K/BB ratio in 24 IP in AAA. OK, so he’s not really a prospect, but he’s under team control for a long time and is the obvious closer of the future at this point. Is back to where he was before he got hurt. Only has one pitch, but a 96 mph fastball with plus movement is evidently enough to strike out most major leaguers.
2. JP Howell – MLB (25). Who knew that five pitches would work better in relief than starting.
3. Jason Hammel – MLB (25). The only reason he’s on the depth chart ahead of Salas is because he’s in the majors and Salas isn’t. Still, he’s been solid lately, ERA down to 4.11.
4. Juan Salas – AAA (29) – 2.27 ERA, 48/10 K/BB ratio in 39 IP, 0.96 WHIP – Not sure what he needs to do to get back to the majors. Has a major league ERA+ of 126 and has always pitched well in the minors, since converting from shortstop. Hopefully should replace someone in the bullpen before September 1 rolls around. Despite his age, still is somewhat of a prospect because he converted to pitching so late.
5. Eduardo Morlan – AA (22) – 3.48 ERA, 25/11 K/BB ratio in 31 IP in Montgomery. Has had injury problems, and his velocity is down in the 88 – 91 range.
6. Ryan Reid – AA (23) – 3.25 ERA, 42/24 K/BB in 35 IP in Montgomery, 0.29 ERA, 45/3 K/BB in 31 IP in Vero Beach. Killed high-A, struggling a bit more with control in AA. We have yet to know whether he’s really legitimate or not. Reportedly has a good FB/CH combo, but neither pitch is really plus at this point. Will have a tough time making it to the majors in this system, but could get his name in the encyclopedia elsewhere.
7. Dale Thayer – AAA (27) – 1.70 ERA, 66/18 K/BB ratio in 58 IP. Sleeper to make it to the majors since he’s not on the 40-man roster, but reportedly is velocity is up in major league range these days, and all he does is get guys out on every level.
8. Matt Gorgen – SS (21) – 2.35 ERA, 23/4 K/BB in 15 IP. Was considered to be the better of the Gorgen twins coming out of HS, but the worse by the time they were done with college. Average velocity with some room to build around on secondary stuff.
9. Justin Garcia – A- (21) – 2.36 ERA, 64/19 K/BB ratio in 61 IP. Tops out around 90 and relies on control.
10. Neal Frontz – AA (24) – limited AA sample (6 IP), 1.38 ERA with 41/12 K/BB in 51 IP and 1.62 G/A in A+. Fringy stuff, probably tops out in AAA, but could be a groundball specialist someday.
11. Jae Kuk Ryu – AAA (25) – Not going to bother with the stats, as I’ll be shocked if he’s not pitching in Korea this time next year.
DH:
(Dan Johnson)
1. Sergio Pedroza – AA (24) – .261/.346/.364. Probably close to being done as a prospect.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My God
The Rays are stacked with prospects. The starting pitching depth is unbelievable. With an already great rotation and Price, Davis, Hellickson, and McGee coming up in the next few, the Rays are gonna be unbelievable. Great Job
by aspeninthewindow on Aug 7, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals
These are those who either have
a.) tasted the bigs
b.) of a certainty have big league tools
c.) have put up #’s that portend possible big league talent
Catcher
-Bryan Anderson, 21, AAA
-Luis De La Cruz, 19, A (not hitting a lick, but was named to BA’s Top 20 GCL prospects last year)
1B
-Steven Hill, 23, AA
-Mark Hamilton, 24, AA
2B
-Jarrett Hoffpauir 25, AAA
-Jose Martinez, 22, AA (has fallen precipitously from last year)
3B-
-Brett Wallace, A, 22
-Allen Craig, AA, 23
-David Freese, AAA, 25
Roberto Pina, has not played, 16, signed for $1.2 M bonus this past month
SS-
Pete Kozma, 20, A+
Tyler Greene, 24, AAA
Nico Vasquez, 18, rookie
OF-
-Colby Rasmus, 22, AAA
-Daryl Jones, 21, AA
-Joe Mather 25, MLB
-Jon Jay, 23, AA
-Shane Peterson, 20, A
-Nick Stavinoha, 26, MLB
-Shane Robinson, 23, AAA
-Tommy Pham, 20, A
-Jon Edwards, 20, A
RH Starters
-Clayton Mortensen, 23, AAA
-Jess Todd, 22, AA
-Lance Lynn, 21, A
-Mitch Boggs, 24, AAA
-Adam Ottavino, 22, AA
-Tyler Herron, 22, A+
-Mark Diapoules, 20, A+
-Mike Parisi, 25, AAA
-PJ Walters, 23, AAA’
-Richard Castillo, 18, A
LH Starters
-Jaime Garcia, 22, MLB
-Anthony Ferrara, 18, rookie
RH Relievers
-Chris Perez, 23, AAA
-Jason Motte, 25, AAA
-Fernando Salas, 23, AA
-Mark Worrell, 25, AAA
-Francisco Samuel, 21, A+
LH Relief
Myeh
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by erik on Aug 5, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A's
Catchers
Kurt Suzuki, 24, MLB – .290/.345/.383/.728
Landon Powell, 26, AAA – .229/.355/.419/.774
Anthony Recker, 23, AA, .277/..347/.423/.770
Josh Donaldson, 22, A+, .402/.469/.690/1.159 (22 games with Stockton)
Petey Paramore, 21, A, .286/.514/.367/.881 (18 games b/t Rk/A)
This is definitely one of the A’s deepest positions. Suzuki, thought not hitting for much power, is impressing, and looks like a long term fixture at catcher. Recker and Powell can be serviceable backups. Donaldson has done nothing but hit since he came to Stockton. There has been no question about his ability to hit, just his fielding, and he’s become an average catcher. He played 3rd base in college though, and that’s where the A’s have been playing him recently. He’s definitely a much better fit at third for the A’s than at catcher, and he can have a big impact if he stays there. Paramore is another interesting prospect. Drafted in the third round this year, many scouts believe that hsi defense is good enough for the majors now, so the only question is his bat. He’s knows the strike zone very well, but probably wont hit for much power. But if the A’s were in need of a catcher mainly for defense and they were able to sacrifice some offense from the position, Paramore could probably be up right now. That wont happen though. All in all, the A’s have a plenty of talent and depth at the catcher position. That wont be an issue.
1B
Daric Barton, 21, MLB – .216/.316/.307/.623
Tommy Everidge, 25, AA – .273/.340/.477/.817
Sean Doolittle, 21, AA – .945 OPS in 86 games at A+, .707 OPS in 26 games at AA
Chistopher Carter, 21, A+ – .265/.362/.568/.930, 120/60 K/BB, 30 HR
This is another position where the A’s are relatively deep. Barton has been a mjor disappointment this year, but I wouldnt give up on him just yet. His playing time was inconsistent in the first half of the year, and he’s gotten extremely unlucky. He’s hit a lot of line drives for outs, and a lot of balls that just barely missed leaving the ballpark. He has walked quite a bit, but at times he’s been too patient and his approach has been off. Ty Van Burkleo needs to go. If he can fix his approach and perhaps have some better luck, he’ll be just fine. He’s likely to develop more power as he gets older too. Doolittle is interesting. He obliterated California league pitching, but hasnt been able to get it done at Midland. I fear he was just taking advantage of hitting in the California league, and that he’s not actually a legit option. Time will tell, but I’m not particularly high on him. Carter is different. He is a legit 30 home run threat, and pretty much a right handed Adam Dunn. He’ll strikeout a lot, walk a lot, and hit a lot of homers. He will also hit quite a few doubles though, and his average may wind up being higher. Carter’s only problem at defense. He’s pretty much destined to be a DH. He’s been playing at 3rd recently, but that hasnt worked out, and he’s average/below average at first and in the outfield. Unless they need him for a specific position, I see him being the A’s DH in 2010.
2B
Eric Patterson, 25, AAA – .977 OPS in 20 games at Sacramento
Adrian Cardenas, 20, A+ – .630 OPS in 15 games at Stockton, .818 OPS in 67 games at Clearwater
Jemile Weeks, 21, A – .297/.422/.405/.827
The A’s have more than addressed their need of a second baseman this season with the trades for Patterson and Cardenas, and the drafting of Weeks. Patterson is destined to be a utility man, because of a combination of below average defense, and depth. It appears that the A’s are in negotiations with Mark Ellis’ agent for an extension, most likely a 2 or 3 year deal, and he’ll be the 2nd baseman until Weeks is ready. Cardenas is probably the best hitter out of the three. He’s drawn comparisons to Chase Utley, but those are probably far-fetched. Still, he’s arguably the best 2nd base prospect in the minors, and will be a great top of the order threat. But with Weeks, he’ll probably have to move. The A’s were trying to move him to third, but he is now playing short, and that’s probably where he’ll stay, with Donaldson moving to third. Cardenas definitely has the bat to play any of the positions, but whether he has the arm to play short is probably a concern. It could work out though, and it’d be ideal for the A’s. Weeks is a very good prospect, very comparable to Jose Reyes, except he’ll have much better plate discipline. Weeks’ plate discipline and knowledge of the strike zone is almost unmatched, and that’s very good for the A’s, because if he’s getting on base a lot, he’ll get the opportunity to steal a lot, which is his game. Weeks is one of the fastest players in the minors. While he may not have superb power, he’s got decent pop, maybe 10 homers and a lot of doubles. Overall, he’s pretty much the definition of a “catalyst”. The future at second base definitely looks bright for the A’s.
Shortstop
Gregorio Petit, 23, AAA
Cliff Pennington, 24, AAA
Dusty Coleman, 21, N/A
Jason Christian, 21, SS
Nino Leyja, 17, RK
The A’s actually have a lot of talent at the shortstop position, contrary to what many people believe. As I stated before, Cardenas could wind up playing ther ein the long term, but if he doesnt, the A’s have other options. I’m very high on Gregorio Petit, and he probably should be starting over Crosby right now. He might only OPS .700-.750, but he plays such outstanding defense, almost anything with the bat will pretty much be a bonus. Pennington is looking like he can be a good backup/utility man. He’s hitting about .280 at AAA, but his on-base is amazing. He’s got 15 more walks than strikeouts, and he’s always shown that he has a good eye. Jason Christian was a 5th round pick this year, and he’s a guy I’m extremely high on. He’s a well above average hitter, and he’s showing that at A- Vancouver. His problem is his defense, it isnt very good right now, but it’ll probably turn out to be about average. He’s a few years away, but he could wind up finding his way into a major league starting lineup by 2011. He’s very good. Nino Leyja was a 15th round pick. He’s only 17, but he’s mashing in the rookie league. He’s even more far away than Christian, and I’m not nearly as high on him, but he’s definitely showing great potential.
3rd Base
Jeff Baisley, 25, AAA
Jesus Guzman, 24, AAA
3rd base is definitely a hole in the organization. Baisley’s putting up good numbers in AAA, but he doesnt look like anything special, and he’s already 25. Still, without any other options, his good numbers could be enough to convince the A’s to give him a shot, and they really dont have anything to lose. Guzman is interesting. He put up eye-popping numbers in AA, but again, he’s had trouble at AAA. He doesnt look like a long-term fixture, but the A’s could give him a shot somewhere in the infield if they’re desperate. As I said before though, the A’s have also tried out Cardenas and Donaldson at thte position, so if one of them can stay there, they might be set. Otherwise, they may have to try trading some of their many pitching prospects, maybe for a guy like Brandon Wood.
Outfield
Travis Buck, 24, AAA
Matt Sulentic, 20, A+
Carlos Gonzalez, 22, MLB
Ryan Sweeney, 23, MLB
Aaron Cunningham, 22, AA
Corey Brown, 22, A+
Rashun Dixon, 17, RK
Jermaine Mitchell, 23, A+
The A’s definitely dont need to worry at all about their outfield. CarGo is a lock in center, Sweeney will probably be in right long term, and they have plenty of options for left field. I still like Buck, Sulentic is having a breakout year, and they have Murton and Patterson. The guy that should get the job, in my estimation, is Aaron Cunningham. I love this guy, I’m extremely high on him. The Aaron Rowand upside definitely is there, and a perennial .850-900 OPS certainly isnt out of the question. He’ll steal a few bases, he’s good defensively, and he’ll develop 20 homer power. With CarGo likely to develop 25-30 home run power, Sweeney likely to develop 10-15 home run power with a lot of doubles, and Cunningham likely to develop 20-25 home run power with a great average and a great eye, the A’s have a very bright future in the outfield. They’ll basically have three center fielders out there, which is a bonus. They’re so deep, if they wind up having to trade somebody like Buck, Murton, or Sulentic in a deadline deal to pick up a pitcher or a bat, they can do it, and it wont hurt them. Great future in the outfield.
Starting Pitching
Trever Cahill, 20, AA
Brett Anderson, 20, AA
Gio Gonzalez, 22, AAA
Sean Gallagher, 22, MLB
Greg Smith, 24, MLB
Dana Eveland, 24, MLB
James Simmons, 21, AA
Vin Mazzaro, 21, AA
Arnold Leon, 20, A+/MEX
Henry Rodriguez, 21, A+
Michel Inoa, 16, N/A
Craig Italiano, 22, A+
Tyson Ross, 21, N/A
Fautino De Los Santos, 22, A+ DL (TJS)
Josh Outman, 23, AA
Michael Madson, 25, AA
Jamie Richmond, 22, A-
Travis Banwart, 22, A+
Oh yes, what baseball america said is true. The A’s starting pitching is officially the envy of baseball. By far the deepest part of the system, they’ve got future aces in Cahill and Anderson, other future top of the rotation starters in Gio and Simmons, and several good middle-of-the-rotation starters like Gallagher and Mazzaro, and I didnt even mention Eveland, Smith, or Ross. A 2010 rotation of Anderson/Cahill/Gio/Simmons/Mazzaro or Gallagher is very possible, and, barring any setbacks, unstoppable. Also, they will all have the luxury of pitching in the most pitcher-friendly stadium in baseball, which will only make them that much better. Like in the outfield, if they ever needed to make a deadline deal, they can use Duscherer, Smith, Eveland, etc as trade bait, and it wont hurt them at all. No doubt, they have a very bright future in the rotation.
Relievers
Joey Devine, 24, MLB
Andrew Brown, MLB
Santiago Casilla, MLB
Brad Ziegler, MLB
Jerry Blevins, MLB
Dallas Braden, MLB
Ryan Wing, AAA
Sam Demel, A+
Andrew Carignan, 22, AA
Jared Lansford, 21, AA
With the starting pitching getting all the hype, the bullpen flies under the radar, but it shouldnt. The A’s, once they get rid of Huston Street, will have an excellent bullpen. By next year, you could very well see a ‘pen of Devine/Ziegler/Casilla/Blevins/Wing/Brown/Eveland, or Smith, or Braden, or Meyer, and that is a fantastic ‘pen. Shutdown. By 2010, the A’s could possibly have the best pitching staff in baseball, one that can’t be beat.
Never, Never, NEVER give up
by hero66 on Aug 6, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Rose colored glasses!
Coleman’s in the AZL.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose colored glasses on acid...
I really don’t understand why you even posted this, ‘hero66’. Zonis already presented a chart, and it was ace. It was also evenhanded with it is commentary and projection—something yours lacks entirely. Someone slip a fanboy pill into your drink today, or somethin’?
by haverecords on Aug 10, 2008 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He pretty much took mine and tweaked it a bit
proof being “outfielders”, which is just my Outfielders + Centerfielders put together, but not reordered, so Buck and Sulentic are ahead of everyone else.
I am the only one who mentioned really anything on Coleman. At the time, Coleman had not been assigned to any league yet. I put him ahead of Leyja and Christian because he was rated higher coming into the draft, I’ve heard nothing about Leyja’s defense except that in the box scores he keeps playing all over the field, mainly between SS and DH, and I don’t know what to make of Christian while he is in Short Season Vancouver (or has he been promoted yet?).
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by Zonis on Aug 10, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the thread zonis
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Aug 11, 2008 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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