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Top 20 New York Mets Prospects In Review

This list was originally posted November 25, 2007, before the Johan Santana trade. THIS IS NOT A NEW LIST. THIS IS A REVIEW OF THE OLD LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

1) Fernando Martinez, OF, Grade B+
    .292/.332/.420 for Double-A Binghamton. Production improving, plate discipline still an issue, still very young.
2) Deolis Guerra, RHP, Grade B+
     Traded to Twins. 10-5 for Class A Fort Myers, but with a 4.56 ERA, 56/47 K/BB in 105 innings, and a strong fly ball tendency. Velocity is reportedly down. Still very young, but lots of work to do.
3) Carlos Gomez, OF, Grade B/B+
     Traded to Twins. Hitting .250/.284/.349 with 21 steals. Fun to watch due to glove and speed, but horrible plate discipline and lack of consistent power remain huge problems. Big difference between tools and skills here.
4) Kevin Mulvey, RHP, Grade B
     Traded to Twins. 4-8, 3.87 with 84/34 K/BB in 105 innings for Triple-A Rochester. A bit disappointing, but still has a chance as an inning-eating strike-thrower.
5) Jon Niese, LHP, Grade B
      3.04 ERA with 112/44 K/BB in 124 innings for Double-A Binghamton. Having a breakthrough season, also gets grounders, I like him.
6) Eddie Kunz, RHP, Grade B
     3.00 ERA with 38/23 K/BB in 45 innings for Binghamton, 26 saves. Strong ground ball ratio, looks like he should be ready to help in the pen soon.
7) Phil Humber, RHP, Grade B-
     Traded to Twins. 5.38 ERA with 70/42 K/BB in 94 innings, 107 hits and 16 homers allowed for Rochester.. Very disappointing, ratios are slipping across the board.
8) Brant Rustich, RHP, Grade B-
    4.81 ERA with 30/14 K/BB in 34 innings for Class A Savannah, 32 hits allowed. Not much to get excited about here.
9) Joe Smith, RHP, Grade B-
      3.56 ERA with 33/17 K/BB in 43 innings for the Mets. A nice middle reliever.
10) Nick Evans, 1B, Grade C+
      .311/.365/.561 for Binghamton, .225/.273/.300 in 18 games for the Mets. Needs Triple-A experience, but a decent prospect.
11) Stephen Clyne, RHP, Grade C+
       Combined 5.87 ERA with 31/19 K/BB in 46 innings between Class A St. Lucie and short-season Brooklyn. Gets lots of grounders, but hasn't missed enough bats.
12) Scott Moviel, RHP, Grade C+
       4.54 ERA with 71/31 K/BB in 105 innings for Savannah, 113 hits. Quite mediocre performance, although this is another guy that gets grounders.
13) Brahiam Maldonado, OF, Grade C+
       .210/.258/.281 with horrible plate discipline for St. Lucie. Sleeper pick has not panned out.
14) Nate Vineyard, LHP, Grade C
       Made two starts for Savannah and got hurt.
15) Robert Parnell, RHP, Grade C
       4.32 ERA with 85/56 K/BB in 117 innings for Binghamton, 113 hits. Another ground ball guy with mediocre/adequate peripherals but nothing that makes you think he can dominate.
16) Mike Carp, 1B, Grade C
       .298/.384/.447 for Binghamton, 12 homers. Good plate discipline, but repeating the league.
17) Hector Pellot, 2B, Grade C
      Hit .165/.250/.188 in 23 games for St. Lucie before going on DL.
18) Dan Murphy, 3B, Grade C
      .300/.370/.475 with 14 steals and 12 homers for Binghamton. An interesting player, controls strike zone well.
19) Ezequiel Carrera, OF, Grade C
      .277/.347/.401 with 21 steals for St. Lucie. Has some speed, strike zone judgment erratic.
20) Greg Veloz, 2B, Grade C
      .282/.332/.402 for Savannah, 26 steals. Fast, but shaky plate discipline.

The Mets seem to have a lot of guys who get grounders but don't really dominate. I like Niese a lot and he seems to have taken a big step forward. Carp, Evans, and Murphy are all potential contributers as hitters although none seem like future stars to me. F-Mart remains something of an enigma, and I have to wonder how people would view him as a prospect if the Mets had him playing against his age-peers. What would his numbers look like in the Sally League?

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The new favorite toy says Fernando Martinez would be putting up a .316/.369/.467 line were he playing for Savannah this year, and a .330/.382/.489 line in a neutral context in the Sally league.

by mrkupe on Jul 29, 2008 1:02 PM EDT   0 recs

What toy is that?

Just Curious, how do you think he stacks up to Heyward now?

I don’t see how at similar ages (Just 2 months shy of a year difference) Heyward can be that much better?

Isn’t the two leagues a huge factor?

Remember: baseball guys... baseball...

by Metty5 on Jul 29, 2008 2:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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Here you go.

As for how he compares to Heyward . . .injury history is a major factor, especially when we’re talking about players this young. And Heyward projects to have more value defensively. Finally . . .this is Heyward’s first full year in pro ball, so I’m inclined to be a little bit more impressed by his performance than F-Mart, who is in his third year of pro ball and repeating a league. Does that sound like I’m nitpicking when it comes to talking about teenagers? It might, but I think the point I’m trying to make is a valid one.

If you wanted the standard letter grade that everybody loves to see, Martinez a strong B+, Heyward maybe an A-? It’s certainly close but I’d take Heyward.

by mrkupe on Jul 29, 2008 5:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t know where you got that projected line, but it seems extremely low considering Martinez put up a .333/.382/.505 line in the SAL when he played for Hagerstown two years ago as a 17 year old.

by Deaconsaber on Jul 30, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

agree

just tried with a few other players and came up with similar nonsensical results.

fun toy. but like lots of toys, doesn’t work.

by scooter on Jul 30, 2008 1:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thoughts

Obviously you can’t follow every player, but after a terrible 1st month Moviel changed the grip on pretty much all his pitches and has been dominate outside his last 2 starts.

Maldonado has been hurt most of the year and so has Rustich and Veloz has been on an absolute tear the last month hitting close to .400 and really showing his potential.

I was wondering what you think of Maikel Cleto and Jenrry Mejia two teenage fireballers who have done nice years.

F-Mart would be putting up better numbers than Heyward in a lower level.

by Pelferized on Jul 29, 2008 1:24 PM EDT   0 recs

I like Murphy a lot

Could be a poormans Utley if he stays at 2nd. Martinez has a great bat but is poor in the field. Niese didn’t impress me when I seen him in Binghamton, he’s more of a 4 or 5 and possibly a good left handed relief pitcher. I may go down next week to check out new hampshire and give you a report on Snider, the catcher there, and maybe check out Martinez again if he’s back.

by Bravesin07 on Jul 29, 2008 3:54 PM EDT   0 recs

Wilmer Flores

John, have you been following the progress of Wilmer Flores? Do you that he could be for real?

"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-

by future on Jul 29, 2008 11:44 PM EDT   0 recs

Greg Veloz

Veloz is starting to turn those considerable tools into production.

Post All-Star Break numbers: 144 AB, .326/.386/.514/.900, 13 BB, 25 K

He’s certainly better than a C prospect at this point.

by DannyMetsGeek on Jul 30, 2008 6:51 PM EDT   0 recs

Some of the comments really aren't fair,

I know, nobody expects you to be able to speak completely accurately about 100% of the prospects, but….

“8) Brant Rustich, RHP, Grade B-
4.81 ERA with 30/14 K/BB in 34 innings for Class A Savannah, 32 hits allowed. Not much to get excited about here.”

Was dealing with injuries most of the year, didn’t make his debut until May 31, and hasn’t pitched since Jul 11. You’re failing to put his production (or lack there of) into a proper context based on the injuries. Same could be said for Maldonado, but I’ve never been a big fan of his.

“12) Scott Moviel, RHP, Grade C+
4.54 ERA with 71/31 K/BB in 105 innings for Savannah, 113 hits. Quite mediocre performance, although this is another guy that gets grounders. “

The Mets changed his pitching grips, across the board. As a result, he had a 9.68 ERA in April while he was adjusting to the new grips. In the 3 months since he’s put up a 3.50 ERA, including a 3.08 ERA Post-ASB. Not bad.

“15) Robert Parnell, RHP, Grade C
4.32 ERA with 85/56 K/BB in 117 innings for Binghamton, 113 hits. Another ground ball guy with mediocre/adequate peripherals but nothing that makes you think he can dominate.”

Very similar to Moviel, Parnell had a 7.15 ERA in April. In the 3 months since he’s put up a 3.63 ERA, and with Mid 90’s heat (Hit 97 out of the bullpen in the Eastern League ASG) really should have been ranked much better then 15th entering this season.

“20) Greg Veloz, 2B, Grade C
.282/.332/.402 for Savannah, 26 steals. Fast, but shaky plate discipline.”

Has looked like a superstar in the past month, always had the considerable tools but has turned it into elite production hitting for a 900 OPS since the ASB. Still only 20 years old.

by adropofvenom on Aug 1, 2008 2:21 PM EDT   0 recs

Nice job by John

I remember last year when he was doing the list, he posted that he was having trouble finding 20 interesting guys because the Mets system looked so thin at the time. I think he did a pretty good job of choosing who made this list.

The two that are looking like over ranks at this point have been Clyne and Maldonado. Pellot is the other disappointment there, but I think that may be more due to injury, and he wasn’t as high on the list either. All three of those guys probably don’t currently make the top 30.

But, still a good job picking who to fill out the top 20 with; Murphy, Carrera, and Veloz all look like astute picks at this point for the last 3 spots. Ranking Nick Evans highly ahead of Carp was also a pretty good call that not everyone would have made last year (and some may still debate).

At this point, the Mets position depth is looking a lot better than it did a year ago, but they still are lacking in high end talent. Parnell may have been a bit under rated here but he still doesn’t command the secondary stuff enough to really look special, and probably ends up a bullpen arm due to inability to maintain stuff deep into games.

For next years list, you may have a tougher time cutting it to 20, with bats like Thole and Veloz coming on strong, pitchers like Gee and Antonini maybe in the discussion, recent draft picks Holt and Havens looking good, and some of those IFA like Flores, Marte, and Mejia starting to perform.

by acerimusdux on Aug 3, 2008 6:37 PM EDT   0 recs

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