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Let's do some group thinking. Post prospects in the comment section who has seen their stock raise/drop this year and let the rest of the community decide what grade he should be right now. This should be fun.

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C+

Better control, a lot better results in the minors, a bit old and could be considered AAAA pitcher by detractors.

by playingwithfire on Jul 28, 2008 3:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

Despite being a bit old, he has put up some very solid ratios in AAA, striking out over 9/9IP, and seems to have finally figured out how to command the strike zone. His fastball and curveball are both plus pitches. He seems to me to be a late bloomer. Although he has been roughened up in his first 2 starts, his 3rd in the big league was promising. I think he will be a league average starter once he learns not to beat himself.

by slitheringslider on Jul 28, 2008 5:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Age isn’t the concern with pitching prospects that it is with hitters. Good stuff and minor league pedigree combined with recent minor league dominance give him a good chance of being a mid-rotation starter. That’s worth a B.

Purcey’s a month younger than Dustin McGowan.

by DrunkIrish on Jul 29, 2008 2:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops

That should read, “draft pedigree”. As a former first-rounder, he’ll get every chance to stick that the Jays can give him.

by DrunkIrish on Jul 29, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

Health is a concern with Purcey as well.

Purcey is also going to be out of options soon. So while he may be given opportunity this season and next. If he can’t stick he may see himself on the waiver wire. Josh Banks was released quickly despite being a 1S pick.

by achengy on Jul 30, 2008 12:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+

Better results, still young, power still not really here, still strikes out too much.

by playingwithfire on Jul 28, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

Biggest point is still young. xbh ratio is fine despite the homers lacking. Reports of improved defense

by blee1134 on Jul 28, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+

Bouncing back nicely from a miserable campaign last year. Has a sweet lefty swing but is still a bit of a 1-tool player, his only plus skill has been his ability to hit for average. Was bad/terrible at base running and defense coming out of high school and has shown steady improvement for a year and a half and is now seen as average to above average at both skills with room for further improvement. Still not a great natural athlete but playing more instinctive now with a pretty good arm in the outfield. At the plate Sulentic still has a mediocre BB/K rate but it is not terrible and has hit a decent amount of doubles but is still lacking in power for a corner outfielder.

Now that he is hitting again Sulentic is at least worth keeping an eye on but unless he can start to show more power or improve his plate discipline he still profiles as not much more than a 4th outfielder. The positives are that he is still young and has demonstrated a strong work ethic during his struggles so there is still a decent amount of potential there.

by DiegoAsFan on Jul 28, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

The guy still has a ton of talent. Ok, he’s 19 and struggling in AA. Is it troubling? A little, but talent is talent, and the kids still got tools, and a pretty good track record before this season.

by jseiner on Jul 28, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

Maybe even a C+. I like his improved BB/K ratio this year, and the improved SB%. But he is showing a severe lack of power with only 12 XBH in almost 300 at bats. Youth is his best attribute right now.

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by Boxkutter on Jul 29, 2008 8:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Still young and projectable. I’d cut some slack for a 19 year old in AA.

jseiner and I agree on this one.

by METSMETSMETS on Jul 30, 2008 1:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+/B-

Tabata failed to show any power and couldn’t even adjust to the new conditions in Trenton. He didn’t even hit for average. I doubt any meaningful power will show up, but I think he’ll be able to hit .280 in the majors, at least. I honestly think Tabata should focus on being more of an extreme-contact guy, a la Ichiro, instead of hitting for power, because he would then be more valuable in the majors. He just doesn’t have the frame for 30 homers. That said, he is still young and he could get much better.

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by bobbymcnally on Aug 11, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jeff Samardzija - P - Cubs

B+. Secondary pitches are developing, he’s throwing strikes more consistently. Still needs work but the much talked about potential may be materializing.

by toonsterwu on Jul 28, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Am I the only one who's unconvinced about him?

In AA this year, he had a 44:42 K:BB in 76 IP. His last 41 IP has been the first time in his entire career where he struck out more a large amount of batters. I’m not saying he doesn’t have potential, but I want to see a lot more

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by OldProspects on Jul 28, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

What OldProspects said

by playingwithfire on Jul 28, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure what grade to give him...

...But I think Samardzija could be one of those guys that proves how deceiving minor league stats can be. Sometimes I think people forget that the minors are meant to prepare a player for the majors, not simply to put up big numbers. I know I’ve seen countless prospects put up huge numbers in the minors and then struggle in the majors because they were either just throwing a high-90’s fastball by minor league hitters or crushing minor league fastballs. Once they reached the majors, they were outmatched.
In the Shark’s case, his bad numbers might have just arisen from the fact that he was working on his off-speed stuff, which wasn’t very good and was getting crushed. Now granted, this is pure speculation on my part, but it would make a lot of sense to explain his weird progression (statistically) up the minor league levels.

by joltinjoe on Jul 28, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

I think a solid B or a B+ sounds about right at this point. We’ll know more at the end of the season though. But he seems like a sure thing for at least a decent bullpen arm right now, but I hope he starts next year.

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by Boxkutter on Jul 29, 2008 8:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

That fastball isn’t to be ignored. He can probably survive the bigs with that great fastball and bad breaking ball. He could be great when he improves that breaking pitch.

by METSMETSMETS on Jul 30, 2008 1:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

Power has been there all along, but now average has started to climb

by jvidri9 on Jul 28, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Need to find a position. Bat is good and all.

by playingwithfire on Jul 28, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with a B for Carter

He is one of the best power hitters in the minors right now, and a decent age for his level I think it’s a good bet that the power will translate as he moves up. The average is low but he has been very streaky, I think at the end of the season it will be decent for a power hitter. The K’s are obviously too high but there is time to work on it, and with his power some K’s are to be expected.

Carter’s defense is the big wild card right now if he can stick anywhere on the diamond his stock improves, and it especially goes up if he stays at 3B. I’m not sure how seriously the club is taking the 3B experiment, if they really think he can handle it or if it is just a long shot to help fill orginizational need.

by DiegoAsFan on Jul 28, 2008 4:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

No position and horrible strikeout rate. Great power at .260 average in the Cal league doesnt project well…imo.

by tt68 on Jul 28, 2008 3:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

-1

Ryan Howard strikes out a lot too… and Carter has progressed a lot faster than Howard did. I gave him a B+ a few weeks ago.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 28, 2008 7:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+2

Howard is an exception to the rule.

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by doublestix on Jul 28, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could see him having...

A Chris Davis like rise next year if he can put it all together.

B+

by AthleticsReign on Jul 30, 2008 2:22 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

freaking amazing hitter.

by METSMETSMETS on Jul 30, 2008 1:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-. I’m tempted to drop him even more, but this seems to be a case of a guy forcing patience and thus hurting his natural instincts. Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

by toonsterwu on Jul 28, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup

Tools are still there, just not having a great season. If it continues next year though I think he will drop all the way down to a C at the end of the ‘09 season.

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by Boxkutter on Jul 29, 2008 8:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+

Doesn’t seem like there’s much to get excited about, does there?

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by doublestix on Jul 28, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+.

Doing what people expected last year in AA, but at this stage, he needs to show more improvement. Potentially inching towards a move to the pen, where as a power pen arm, he could build a long career. That said, I think you give him until the end of the year, and maybe early next year.

by toonsterwu on Jul 28, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

Some thought his offensive numbers were a product of friendly hitting environments in A+, but the kid has continued to mash in AA. Small sample size, but the bat definitely looks for real. With Buster Posey drafted, Sandoval will have to make his mark at a different position (1B? what about Big V?) or move to another organization.

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by Dewey Finn on Jul 28, 2008 6:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

I’ve been very impressed with Pablo’s offensive ability from what I’ve seen of him in person. His bat is legit and he’s adequate behind the plate.

by SBcaptain2 on Jul 28, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Yeah I would give him a B+ at this point. Maybe an A- if he continues his hot hitting in the less than friendly Dodd Stadium.

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by camwoody on Jul 29, 2008 12:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

I’m a big fan of Pablo, but B+ is too high right now. There are still questions about his defense, and his bat at 1B wouldn’t be nearly as valuable. Connecticut is a very hard park to hit in in April and May, but it plays fairly neutral as the weather warms up. I want to see 100 more at-bats in AA before I raise his grade. Still, fantastic breakout year for Pedro. As a Giants fan and early member on the Sandoval bandwagon, I hope to see him in the big leagues this september.

by RougeGorrila on Jul 29, 2008 9:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Needs to show that his constantly improving minor league contact skills can translate to the big leagues. He’s walking more, striking out less, and hitting for more power in his second run at AAA, and there’s no reason for him not to be playing for the Mariners right now. He could easily be putting up a .300/.400/.600 line in Tacoma if it weren’t for bad BABIP luck.

The only reason he doesn’t keep the B+ is because I don’t trust the M’s to give him the ABs he needs to make the next step.

by DrunkIrish on Jul 29, 2008 1:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+

Good stats at AAA, but hasn’t made transition in brief stings in the Majors.

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by Zonis on Jul 29, 2008 2:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You think...

that his “brief” failure to make that transition is enough reason to drop him from a B+ to a C+? Doesn’t seem very reasonable to me.

by DrunkIrish on Jul 29, 2008 1:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brandon Erbe

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by Metty5 on Jul 28, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

Big improvement in K/BB this year, but the gopheritis is concerning.

High risk/high reward.

by dkdc on Jul 29, 2008 9:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

He is still young for Hi A eventhough he repeats it this year. He’ll never have great command, but he certainly has the stuff where even a small increase in command will generate large improvements. I see him as a big league #3.

by Birdfan01 on Jul 31, 2008 11:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Is still atrocious from the stretch? I recall multiple scouting reports years ago indicating that the guy is money until somebody gets on base, at which point he just totally falls apart. His peripherals with runners on this year look passable, but still aren’t anything to write home about.

Personally I think he’s most likely to end up as a quality pen arm, but he’s just so damn young that it’s hard to peg that projection on a kid with his build and arm.

by mrkupe on Jul 31, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

bases empty:
304 batters faced, 53 H, 6 HR, 82/21 K/BB
men on:
174 batters faced, 45 H, 12 HR, 32/15 K/BB

That should be fixable. David Hernandez had the same problem and is much better this year.

by dkdc on Aug 1, 2008 11:43 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Josh Reddick

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by the pinstripes on Jul 28, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B or B-

Has shown power and base stealing ability. If he does well in AA (out of the Cal League now) for the rest of the season…. and can put up similar numbers in AA as he did in A+, I could even see an argument made for a possible B+. Not sure how great his defense is though. He gets extra points because when he was drafted in my DMB League, the auto censor on the message board changed his named from “Reddick” to “Redthingy”.

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by Boxkutter on Jul 29, 2008 7:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think there's a decent argument he's already a B+

though I think you’re right that a B is better. He hits for solid power and doesn’t strike out a lot; if he can keep his batting average around .300, then I think there’s a case to be made that he’s as good a hitter as Mat Gamel (Gamel walks somewhat more, Reddick strikes out somewhat less, and has somewhat more power). I don’t know how good of a fielder he is, but a better fielding Gamel with more speed seems to deserve some discussion at least for a B+

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by OldProspects on Jul 29, 2008 1:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

David Hernandez

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by the pinstripes on Jul 28, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Always struck out a lot of people. His control is a bit iffy, but he still looks like a very good pitcher

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by OldProspects on Jul 28, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Agreed.

Elite strikeout numbers can’t be ignored, but limiting walks is the key for Hernandez.

by dkdc on Jul 29, 2008 9:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dominic Brown

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Jul 28, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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what we know now: has shown very good plate discipline w/ 47/59 bb to k ratio to go along w/ 16 steals.
the future: being 6’5” and only 200 or so pounds he should fill in and add power. only 7 hr’s in 375 ab is somewhat dissapointing. i expect this to change.

i’d give him a B

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by the pinstripes on Jul 28, 2008 3:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+, buy now

i’ve seen him play 3 times this year, and while he hasn’t been the best player on the field (michael taylor and mike durant have flat crushed the ball at lakewood), he projects to be a delmon young type impact player in the high minors. most phillies hitting prospects don’t really start hitting homeruns until AA, because their A and A+ parks are pitcher friendly parks in pitcher friendly leagues, and i don’t think that’ll be any different for brown, but two years from now, in 2010, in AA, he’s gonna tear the cover off the ball (20 HRs, .320 avg, not to mention 20 SBs).

there’s not a doubt that brown is the top OF prospect in the organization. it’s not collier or taylor, gose or golson.

by variablesdont on Jul 28, 2008 5:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bill Rowell

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by JT12340 on Jul 28, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Rowell gets a C. Scouting reports on him aren’t very good in just about every way possible, and the numbers have gone from decent to sucktacular.

Right now, his age and pedigree are basically all he has going for him. And while those will give him opportunities galore, I’m skeptical at this point that it’ll all translate into a useful major leaguer in the end.

by mrkupe on Jul 28, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+

Tool and pedigree still here, could still come out of nowhere anytime.

by playingwithfire on Jul 29, 2008 2:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+

A dissapointing year for Billy, but he’s still hitting at ~90% of the league average where he’s one of the youngest players in the league.

He has the tools and has hit at lower levels, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he looks a lot better his second time through the Carolina League. He’ll have to find a way to hit LHPs, though.

by dkdc on Jul 29, 2008 9:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

I’m defidentaly in the minority on Rowell, but I still like him. I’ve seen him play a couple times this year and while his numbers don’t suggest it, he has a great fluid swing. Furthermore he has a lanky frame that will certainly begin to fill out, remember he is still just 19 in Hi A. On the flip side his defense is terrible, no range, bad hands, but he does have a strong arm. I think down the line he will be an Aubrey Huff like player, where he can play 3B, RF, 1B, but none of them well, and may end up splitting time at all three and DH

by Birdfan01 on Jul 31, 2008 11:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C

He’s been overrated all along.

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by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

Defense is still a major question mark. Elite batting eye (53BB:49K in 87 games) and constantly improving power.

After putting a .279/.390/.397 skipped a level to AA and putting up a .343/.436/.489.

by achengy on Jul 28, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Everything you said, plus the fact that he is no better than a platoon guy right now. But he is doing well. I like him, just wish he could hit LHP.

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by Boxkutter on Jul 28, 2008 5:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A-

would like to see him moved up

by god allah star on Jul 28, 2008 4:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

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by Boxkutter on Jul 28, 2008 5:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

I don’t get why people are so excited about him. He looks to me like somewhere between a Carlos Gomez or a Jacoby Ellsbury – in three years

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by OldProspects on Jul 28, 2008 6:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Except

unlike Gomez, Revere’s shown pretty good plate discipline (23:27 BB:K ratio), and Gomez hit .275 at the same level only at only 6 months younger than Revere’s current .399 performance.

by Grudyfan on Aug 2, 2008 12:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another B

I’d like to see some more walks and something other than gap power before proclaiming him anything but the next Jeremy Reed.

by DrunkIrish on Jul 29, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excellent point...

A Luis Polonia (career .293 hitter with 300+ SBs) upside isn’t bad. Good, not great.

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by Dewey Finn on Jul 29, 2008 4:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

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B+. Kid can clearly hit and he’s got elite speed. Solid eye at the plate too.

I think he’d be a good candidate to skip the FSL next year.

by mrkupe on Jul 28, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree with everything you say

I gave him a B, but I could see him getting a B+. He has shown nice doubles and triples power so far, and his SB/CS ratio has improved lately. I can’t see giving him an A or A- yet though. To me, those are reserved for “sure thing” prospects, and with Revere still in LoA, he is far from a sure thing. He is one of the best lead-off hitting prospects out there though.

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by Boxkutter on Jul 29, 2008 7:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A-

The man is hitting an unreal .404. He has great contact ability and is line driving the ball all over the place. Mix that with his elite speed and we have the next great leadoff hitter.

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by King Billy Royal on Jul 28, 2008 10:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I’m very tempted to say A-, but I still have concerns about how his power will hold up at higher levels. He also needs to improve his defense . . .if he’s a left fielder then I’d have a hard time projecting him as anything more than a slightly above-average player in the best case right now.

But the bat is pretty freaking awesome for a kid his age, there’s no doubt of that.

by mrkupe on Jul 29, 2008 12:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He has a .437 BABIP

And a 16% LD rate. I’m not saying he won’t develop – I think he will be a good player – but he isn’t Ichiro yet

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by OldProspects on Jul 31, 2008 12:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BABIP

The guy’s hitting like .400 and hasn’t hit a single ball out of the park – you think his BABIP might be really high?

by mrkupe on Jul 31, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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What I’m confused by is the way you seem to act like it’s a bad thing.

.400 is .400 anyway you slice it.

by mrkupe on Jul 31, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, the question is if it's sustainable

His GB rate is 63% and his BABIP is .437. That means he is getting a lot of hits off of groundballs. You can get away with that sort of thing in A ball if you’re fast enough and lucky enough, but I have serious doubts whether that will continue into the upper levels and certainly not in the major leagues. I’m not saying that a .400 batting average is bad, or that Revere is bad – simply that he isn’t anywhere nearly as good as his numbers now make him seem. To take the batting average on face value seems to me to be a recipe for disappointment.

My other major concern with him is power. I have no formal analysis behind this, but his XBH seem odd – how many batters get XBH almost 10% of their ABs but no home runs? Last year, he has more triples than doubles, and even this year he has a 2:1 doubles:triples ratio. Instinctively, this seems very strange. What this means I don’t know, but I’m very wary of saying anything about his power until I see him in higher levels, so we can see how much of this is real power and how much is speed.

With the negatives aside, I do think he is a good player. He doesn’t strike out and seems like he could hit .300 in the majors with excellent speed. That’s value. Whether he becomes a Juan Pierre or a Jacoby Ellsbury remains to me an open question, and I’d be very surprised if he becomes more than that.

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by OldProspects on Jul 31, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frederick Freeman - 1B - ATL

Just curious to see what you all think of him now…

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by ejruiz on Jul 28, 2008 5:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Solid B

His performance has been fantastic, not to mention he is still only 18. The rare low minors masher who doesn’t have a problem with K’s. Could be up to B+ if he stays as hot as he’s been the past month, but that would be asking an awful lot.

by aCone419 on Jul 28, 2008 5:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

VERY impressive season for a kid his age. Great power and approach at the plate. If he could just hit lefties a little better, I would have him at an A-. Ya ya, I am overrating him a bit, but the kid has really ‘wowed’ me thus far. He still seems a little under the radar.

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by Dewey Finn on Jul 28, 2008 6:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Dont like the Ks, but LOVE the HUGH power this kid has. He definitely looks like a 30-40 HR potential kid.

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by Dewey Finn on Jul 28, 2008 6:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

I really don’t see 30-40 HR potential from him.

by aap212 on Jul 29, 2008 11:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps

You are thinking about the lefty reliever, haha.

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by Dewey Finn on Jul 29, 2008 11:23 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stanton

I think that he is most likely the next Russell Branyon. He will hit homeruns but it will be difficult for him to hit .230.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Jul 29, 2008 12:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 more HRs tonight...

26 on the season. Did I mention he is only 18?

Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!

by Dewey Finn on Jul 29, 2008 8:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

27 HRs...

Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!

by Dewey Finn on Jul 31, 2008 8:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zach McAllister

good numbers, velocity reportedly up from low to mid 90s.

by number_twentyone on Jul 28, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nick Barnese

What do you think of him.

by Bravesin07 on Jul 28, 2008 6:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he's terrific

Strikes out a load of people and solid control. B+?

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by OldProspects on Jul 28, 2008 6:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Mostly a sinker guy now. Throws 91-93, projectable, but doesn’t have the breaking pitch yet.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Jul 28, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Want to see him at higher levels though.

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by doublestix on Jul 28, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B flat

Needs to develop some more pitches. The life on his fastball is encouraging for someone as young as he is.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 4:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

Real power, real patience, but has had nearly 1000 AB’s in AA.

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by doublestix on Jul 28, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grade: Probably better than Ross Gload

Don’t know too much about him to comment, just a Royals fan venting.

by playingwithfire on Jul 29, 2008 2:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vince Mazzaro - RHP - Oak

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Jul 28, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!

by Dewey Finn on Jul 28, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Leadin the Texas League in ERA, and has good numbers, and is still quite young. Still, its his first good year in Pro Ball, though interesting that it came in Double A.

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by Zonis on Jul 29, 2008 2:08 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

Besides of lack of track record and still suspect offspeed stuff, this year has been unreal, still, with this Oakland pitching crowd, when will he get a chance, and is that going to be in the rotation?

by playingwithfire on Jul 29, 2008 2:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

I think he’s way overshadowed right now but could turn into a solid steady strong #3 in a rotation.

by AthleticsReign on Jul 30, 2008 2:24 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ross detwiler

Carlos Quentin's time has arrived.

by Team Moneyball on Jul 28, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

L

Now raise your goblet of rock. It's a toast to those who rock!

by Dewey Finn on Jul 28, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

But that B- is pretty much all on pedigree, and the hope that he rebounds. C+ might be more accurate.

by aCone419 on Jul 28, 2008 11:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+

Oh man, was I high on him, I thought I find the next Tim Lincecum to make an impact right away. All the right situations, terrible rotation candidates, NL East hitting, good college pedigree…

the only reason he’s a C+ is because of pedigree.

by playingwithfire on Jul 29, 2008 2:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

Good stuff, good control, good stats; I don’t see any reason why he can’t be a very good pitcher.

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by OldProspects on Jul 29, 2008 6:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

smoke + mirrors + back-end rotation talent = thompson, 2008

I'll warm up with you anytime

by ufoboy90 on Jul 29, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just curious

which thompson are you grading? This year’s Thompson, the guy who has consistently shown front end stuff, or previous incarnations?

by toonsterwu on Jul 30, 2008 1:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh?

Front end stuff? Thompson is decent but at best I would project him to be a backend starter (and that is a GOOD thing).

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Jul 30, 2008 12:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"stuff"

prior to this year, thompson was a high 80’s fastball guy with raw secondary stuff.

This year, he’s been running it consistently in the low-mid 90’s and his breaking ball and changeup have gotten better. Maybe I should’ve been clearer about front end. I’m not saying ace level stuff. I tend to think, numerically, that “2/3” starters are front end, and I think this year’s version of Thompson has “2/3” front-end stuff. Whether or not he can continue that is certainly debatable, but his stuff has been real good this year, on par with a personal favorite of mine, another “2/3” projection in Sean Gallagher.

by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2008 11:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep

Seems like the easiest grade of those here. A whole bunch of positives, but not quite refined enough for the A range.

by aCone419 on Jul 28, 2008 11:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Jul 29, 2008 7:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

Needs to keep an eye on the walks, and his upside may only be a #2, but there’s not much to dislike here.

by dkdc on Jul 29, 2008 9:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A-

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by doublestix on Jul 28, 2008 9:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Not a huge fan at all. Seems like someone who will put up great numbers in the minors but will be merely average in the majors.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Jul 28, 2008 10:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Based upon?

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by doublestix on Jul 28, 2008 10:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's a bad fielding 3B

with only above average power who doesn’t walk very much. Also even this year, his power has been dropping each month. In April, his isolated power was .304. In May, it dropped to .282. By June, it was .181 and in July it’s been .093. I’m not quite as down on him as KBR: even when his batting average comes down to earth I think he’ll still be a very good hitter, but not a sensational one. I’d say a B+

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by OldProspects on Jul 28, 2008 10:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

I should have mentioned about Gamel’s disappearing power. For Gamel to truly receive an A-, he would have to mash in the majors as a corner OF (he isn’t staying in the infield) and I doubt he does. I do think he will have a good career but will not even be close to a star. However, that is just my opinion.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Jul 29, 2008 12:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

One of the better hitting prospects out there, but lack of a defensive position knocks him down from an A- to a B+.

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Jul 29, 2008 7:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sounds right to me

don’t forget, even when he wasn’t hitting scouts have been gushing about his talent with the stick

I'll warm up with you anytime

by ufoboy90 on Jul 29, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A-

Clearly becoming elite…

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by doublestix on Jul 28, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A-

Now the Athletic’s top prospect

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by Zonis on Jul 29, 2008 2:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A-

Me trading him was a mistake a year ago. A’s did have some terrible pitcher development track record back then with namely Italiano on the DL and a bunch of other highly drafted HS arms failing.

by playingwithfire on Jul 29, 2008 2:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A-

If he had a 95-96mph fastball he’d be the best pitching prospect in the game with his #’s.

by AthleticsReign on Jul 30, 2008 2:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Feliz's numbers are right with his

If not better.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Stuff-You-Need-Brett-Favre-action-figure-bench?urn=nfl,93739

by BudLight on Aug 1, 2008 12:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How so? They are both a AA

and they have remarkably similar stats. I would say you are likely to see both in the majors next year.

by tt68 on Aug 1, 2008 11:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Feliz

Still has work to do on his secondary stuff. His FB is so good he’s using mostly that in AA still.

Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted.

by t ball on Aug 9, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

I still think he’s a reliever, but impressive numbers so far.

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by doublestix on Jul 28, 2008 9:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Adrian Cardenas- 2B OAK

Procrastinators unite....tomorrow

by muffinpryde on Jul 28, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

Average 2B defense, combined with a very good bat. He goes to an organization that, as of late, has put a lot of empehsis on developing fielding skills, so he might be able to stick at 2B. Question is if his bat will carry him if he ever does fall to 3B, but he can probably hold his own there. Quite possibly the top 2B Prospect in the minors.

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by Zonis on Jul 29, 2008 2:11 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

About the best 2B spec out there, Bright future. Defense a question, how will Oakland work out Cardenas and Weeks?

by playingwithfire on Jul 29, 2008 2:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Need to see more especially if he can stick at 2B. I can see him being Renteria like offensively.

by AthleticsReign on Jul 30, 2008 2:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chris Coghlan - 2B - Marlins

Selfish reason here, I just drafted him. But he is hitting well, has shown good plate discipline, decent pop for a middle infielder, and has shown plus speed. I think Coghlan is the reason that they should move Uggla to 1B where his defense will play better.

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Jul 28, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you're right

He’s a little bit like a faster 2B version of Russell Martin – a very solid player at a shallow position who could, if everything works out, become one of the better players at the position simply by being good at a lot of things. I’d probably go B+

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by OldProspects on Jul 29, 2008 6:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

He’s heading off to the Olympics, so he won’t see AA this year, but he’s passed all of his tests so far.

by dkdc on Jul 29, 2008 9:56 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Josh Donaldson

Spectacular 2007 playing in a too-low level, after being taken #48 overall out of Auburn. He stunk (badly) for Ryne Sandberg’s Chiefs before being traded to Oakland, where he’s taken a liking to the California league in his brief time there (.362/.439/.638 in 58 AB).

by BobbyMac on Jul 28, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

I’m probably giving him a bit too much credit, but I still like him and am not at all surprised by his A+ resurgence.

by aCone419 on Jul 28, 2008 11:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+

Defensive questions means he’s gotta mash to be a solid prospect. He’s shown signs of a plus bat at catcher, but he’s struggled equally as much. There’s a lot of upside here, as he has all the talent to be an all-star catcher, but needs to catch up with the skills.

by DrunkIrish on Jul 29, 2008 2:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+

but with the (good for him) caveat that I think he’s equally valuable to the A’s at catcher or third base. So maybe a B- value-wise.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 29, 2008 5:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

C..Maybe C+ as a 3b

by blee1134 on Jul 29, 2008 6:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

I’m really optomistic about him and think he could be the best player we got in this whole deal.

by AthleticsReign on Jul 30, 2008 2:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it'll be Gallagher

but as for Donaldson, I’ll go C+. The reports all year were that his defense was improved to the point where he might be considered average (which is a big improvement). The offensive reports were that he was making good contact but not getting hits. In saying all this, you still need to produce, so as of now, Donaldson should probably slide down a bit.

Now, if Josh finishes strong, then maybe he gets considered as a B/B- at the end of the year. As of now, you still gotta produce, so I would slide him down to a C+.

by toonsterwu on Jul 31, 2008 11:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+

Small sample sizes in the Cali league need to be taken with a HUGE grain of salt.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vin Mazzaro SP

maybe a B

i get varying info on this guy. he’s putting up a 2era in AA Texas League at 21 yrs old. has a low 90’s sinker, tops 94mph. But BA says his off speed stuff is inconsistent. i read he throws a knuckle curve and changeup

by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 28, 2008 11:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Struggling Pitchers

Luke Hochevar
Nick Adenhart
Franklin Morales
Homer Bailey
Thomas Diamond

by gunkdog on Jul 29, 2008 12:30 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Diamond

This is his recovery year from TJ. So I take his results with a grain of salt. His curveball is miles ahead of where it was and his fastball is coming back slowly. He is probably a reliever down the line and no longer one of the Rangers’ top prospects. But, I am happy to see him back out there and think he has a bright future as a bullpen arm.

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 29, 2008 1:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neftali Feliz

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 29, 2008 1:51 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A

He will be the second best pitching(behind Davis) heading into next year. He has everything going for him…except having to pitch in Texas

by tt68 on Jul 29, 2008 2:03 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A-

Great pitching prospect, but I don’t think he is worth a straight A yet. Maybe this time next year if things go well.

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Jul 29, 2008 7:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Derek Holland

Look Him Up

"Here comes the version of Benoit that lets the other team put it out of reach. I hate that version."
-Athos

by SaltyDawg on Jul 29, 2008 1:53 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B right now

But a B+ if he keeps dominating the rest of the year. Dutch is firmly one of the Rangers’ 5 best pitching prospects, having passed Kiker as the top lefty in my mind.

by naropean on Jul 29, 2008 10:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who is this guy?

I’ve never heard of him before

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by OldProspects on Jul 29, 2008 3:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2006 draft pick

out of community college. Signed days before 2007 draft.

Lefty with a mid-90s FB, a good slider and a developing change. GOldstein compared him to John Danks.

by FirebatM3 on Jul 29, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting

Thanks!

www.loftylantern.com

by OldProspects on Jul 29, 2008 4:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

Of course i love this guy, and think he’s the number 2 pitcher in the Rangers system so it might be biased, but to be honest the only reason alot of people will be afraid to grade him high is the lack of high regard preseason. He was given 4-5th round money to sign in 07, pitched well in short-season, has continued to improve his stuff and in his first full season he’s just totally dominated A and A+ levels. His stuff is really good for a lefty with velo up to 95 and has been said to touch 97 and a really hard slider. It seems like his stuff has just gotten better and better as the year has gone on and his K rate has increased as well. Maybe im a little to excited about this guy, but right behind Feliz he’s the 2nd best pitcher in the system in my mind

by blalock84 on Jul 30, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

Holland is my 2nd favorite pitching prospect in the Rangers org as well, which is saying a lot given their depth. He hasn’t skipped a beat moving from the MWL (extreme pitchers league) to the Cal league (extreme hitters league).

by jibs on Aug 1, 2008 9:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

‘Tweener status keeps me from giving him a higher grade. If he can prove he can play major league CF defense, he’s a solid B.

by DrunkIrish on Jul 29, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

Guy can flat-out hit. His power was down for a month or so after the wrist injury but it’s back now.

I like prospects with good all-around games—they’re typically underrated in favor of players with one elite skill even though they’re as good overall.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 29, 2008 5:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re

I think he K’s to much for the not-tremendous power he provides.

But I do love him

by blee1134 on Jul 29, 2008 6:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

The guy just produces. His one outstanding tool is this guys determination without one tool being below avg.

by AthleticsReign on Jul 30, 2008 2:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+

It’s hard not to like his control but there are a lot of reasons to worry about a 22 year old who can’t even strike people out in the A levels. That being said, he could be interesting

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by OldProspects on Jul 29, 2008 3:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nolan Reimold

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 29, 2008 4:03 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

No change from last year. His K/BB improved significantly this year, but he’s repeating a league he’s too old for.

Low ceiling of average big league regular, but he’s not far from that ceiling now.

by dkdc on Jul 29, 2008 10:00 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I agree

He is definitely improving but he is definitely getting older.

My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver

by Baltimo on Jul 29, 2008 11:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Will most likely platoon with Luke Scott in LF starting next year.

by Birdfan01 on Jul 31, 2008 12:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

I’ll admit to not being his biggest fan coming into the season. I didn’t like the lack of power or the poor SB% last season in the Cal League, but there really isn’t anything not to like this year. Good BB/K numbers (not great, but good), good doubles, triples, and HR power, good batting average, and great defense. If he keeps this up, he could be an A- by the end of the season, especially if he gets promoted and continues to do all this.

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Jul 29, 2008 8:10 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Andrew Lambo

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Jul 29, 2008 9:34 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Jul 29, 2008 10:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Response

Solid B. Good looking bat at a low level with significant defensive issues.

by mrkupe on Jul 29, 2008 10:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Daniel Cortes

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Jul 29, 2008 9:35 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Response

Cortes gets a B. Still projects as a guy with the build to eat lots of innings using good, not great, stuff.

by mrkupe on Jul 29, 2008 10:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

Sounds right. BA said he had the best fastball and curveball in the Royals’ system last year (if I remember right) so I wouldn’t undersell his stuff. Decent strikeout rate and below-average control in his first try at AA, so he’s going to need to do some work to reach the majors before 2010.

by DrunkIrish on Jul 29, 2008 2:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's about right.

Great stuff, not so great command.

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by doublestix on Jul 29, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jhoulys Chacin

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Jul 29, 2008 9:35 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

Tempted to give A-.

by wobatus on Jul 29, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A-

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Jul 29, 2008 6:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too high, too fast

I'll warm up with you anytime

by ufoboy90 on Jul 29, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If nobody else wants to talk about him, I will

I really like Cegarra, probably more than I should. He pitched in A ball last year when he was 18 and got knocked around. In retrospect, though, he didn’t do terribly, especially considering his young age; He had a 37:16 K:BB in 58 IP though his ERA was 5.12. This year, at 19, he returned to A ball and for his first 9 starts, decimated the opposition. He struck out 53 and walked only 5 in 54 IP and had an ERA of 2.67, at which point he was promoted to A+ ball. There, he’s done a bit less well. His control is still excellent, but his strikeout numbers have tumbled to a pitiful 33 in 69 IP. I still like him, though. In a few games of his which I’ve followed on-line, he started off excellently but collapsed late as they kept him in too long. He has good stuff and excellent control, and in the one time when he played against age-appropriate hitting, he did excellently. I give him a B-

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by OldProspects on Jul 29, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jamie Romak

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Jul 29, 2008 10:26 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

James McDonald

If he wasn’t behind Kershaw he would get a lot more attention. I give a B+/B, his AO/GO ratio scares me a little.

by goose102977 on Jul 29, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Jul 29, 2008 12:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Response

Still looks like a B+ to me

by mrkupe on Jul 29, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sean west

coming back from arm surgery and his numbers are good in high A. read today that he is the only “untouchable” marlin prospect

by znyfan on Jul 29, 2008 12:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+/A-

It’s pretty close

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Jul 29, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

I don’t see how his stock has improved significantly. He hasn’t answered any of the defensive questions, and he still looks kinda like Jason Kendall without the power or speed.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Aug 5, 2008 4:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

I know catching prospects who can hit are scarce, but people aren’t confident in his catching ability and he doesn’t have a ton of power or patience. He’s a good prospect, but he’s not sniffing A-.

by aap212 on Jul 29, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree...

that the defensive questions and lack of power keep him from A- territory, but I think a 23:29 BB:K in 170 AB is a pretty impressive show of patience for a 21-year-old catcher in AAA. Jason Kendall’s career looks pretty attainable. He’s a solid B+ in my eyes.

Even though I don’t agree, I think the case for an A- can be at least argued. If a Grade A prospect is a guy who’s a near lock to be a major leaguer, and has star potential, wouldn’t Anderson fit those qualifications? 21-year-olds who hit well in AAA are as certain to reach the majors as anyone, and a .300/.370/.450 catcher with average defense should sniff an all-star game or two. Who was the last catcher to put up good AAA numbers at 21?

by DrunkIrish on Jul 29, 2008 3:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The lack of upside...

Is what bothers me. He’s a very good prospect because he’s a near-certain major leaguer, but his upside is something like LoDuca or Pierzynski—a solid player, not remotely a star.

by aap212 on Jul 29, 2008 5:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I can see that.

There’s not a lot of reason to project him for power, and that will hurt his value as a hitter. LoDuca and PIerzynski have six all-star games between the two of them though, and that wouldn’t be bad company to be in. There just aren’t that many catchers with bats that are better than league average. The average catcher in ‘08 has hit about .260/.330/.390.

Fun fact: LoDuca didn’t have a 100 AB season in the majors until he was 29, and Pierzynski’s first was at age 24. It’s pretty unusual for a catcher to hit well in AAA at 21, and I have a hard time putting a definite cap on Anderson’s ceiling because of that.

by DrunkIrish on Jul 29, 2008 11:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-?

I don’t know what to think

by playingwithfire on Jul 29, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I

Way too early to tell on him.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 29, 2008 5:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C+

Though I wouldn’t argue with a B- at this point. He may not stay at short, but I’ve enjoyed seeing him break out offensively this past month. The recent lack of walks is a bit concerning. I still don’t know who I favor between him and Jose Vallejo.

by naropean on Jul 30, 2008 3:30 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B-

Id have to think his offensive #’s put him here even if his D may not keep him at Short. His bat would be good enough for a LF or 2b or 3b, especially with the recent power surge. The kid just turned 20, and his plate discipline is exceptional. Id still say I like Vallejo more, but Lemon is right on his heels and likely to pass him if he continues to hit like he has. I definitely this guy has a chance to be an above average hitter at a number of different positions, and once he gets nailed down into being able to play one position well enough, his stock will rise

by blalock84 on Jul 30, 2008 2:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neil Walker

He was a B before the season. He’s got solid power numbers (14 HR’s 22 2B’s .434 SLG%) for a 22 year old in AAA, and reports say his defense has been pretty good, but batting .239 with a .274 OBP? How much has his stock dropped?

by jseiner on Jul 29, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A-

Was a B+ last year and has only gotten better. A legit A-, I think.

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by koolkerns101 on Jul 29, 2008 9:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A-

Had a real good start tonight against Mat Gamel and Huntsville. His biggest issue is he super blocked by Price, Davis, Kazmir, Shields, Garza, Niemann, Sonnanstine, et al. Man they should be looking to trade Sonnanstine and Niemann.

by tt68 on Jul 29, 2008 10:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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B+. Personal guess is that he’s a No. 3 pitcher, splitting the difference between those who see him as a frontline candidate and those think he’s more of an back-end innings eater type with a repertoire of average pitches and good control, albeit with pronounced gopherball tendencies. But there’s some upside there and he’s young enough to have a reasonable chance at making good on it, so B+.

I don’t see anything about Hellickson other than his absurd BB/K ratio in A ball this year that screams truly elite pitching prospect to me, with regard to peripheral statistics and scouting reports.

by mrkupe on Jul 30, 2008 12:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Colby Rasmus

Still an A to me.

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by WayneCampbell08 on Jul 29, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

Don’t think a lot has changed from last year, but he is showing enough skills to keep from falling back.

by aCone419 on Jul 29, 2008 11:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He has come close to an .800 OPS

in both June and July. He needs time, but he is showing improvement at the plate. I think that is a fair grade and next year is the biggest year of his pro career to date.

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by SaltyDawg on Jul 30, 2008 12:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

James Simmons

Solid B, maybe B+ if he continues?

by Rupert Pupkin on Jul 29, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B+

Not a top-end pitcher, but he is as sure a thing to be an average MLB starter (or better) as you will ever find in a prospect. That’s quite valuable.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 29, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

I have to agree with the B+ as I can’t see him not making it to the show, although I don’t think his ceiling is too high once he makes it.

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by Baltimo on Jul 29, 2008 11:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Simmons is the definition of a solid B grade pitching prospect. Solid chance to contribute, probably nothing special but a useful arm that can eat innings.

I think some will go B- and I can see the case for that (a little too hittable for a Double A finesse pitcher to project well at higher levels, perhaps), but I think he has a decent chance at being able to maintain his peripherals against better competition given some experience.

by mrkupe on Jul 30, 2008 12:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Just because he’s a control specialist doesn’t mean he’s a finesse guy.

He’s also one of the younger starters in the Texas League.

I’d go B, mayyyyyyybe B+

by blee1134 on Jul 30, 2008 1:05 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Average fastball, fringe-average breaking stuff, above-average changeup, plus-plus command. The statistics back my assertion up – he’s a strike-thrower who’s going to give up his share of hits but compensates with good control and pitching savvy.

Age doesn’t make nearly as much of a difference with pitchers performance-wise as it does with hitters, as has been stated many times before. The areas where it DOES make a difference are projectability and command/control. Simmons isn’t projectable and he’s most likely about as good as he’s going to get as far as control goes. He could improve his breaking pitches . . .but then again, he’s had years to do that already and he hasn’t, so the track record suggests that he most likely will not do so in the future.

by mrkupe on Jul 30, 2008 1:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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B. Numbers are great for a kid but very far away and with iffy plate discipline.

by mrkupe on Jul 30, 2008 1:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

The power at such a young age is amazing and his eye at the plate is getting much better as the season goes along. He can easily become a much better prospect than F-Mart in a 1 1/2.

by Pelferized on Jul 30, 2008 1:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...but only 15 k's and

7 home runs in 150 at bats is very impressive for a kid that age.

by tt68 on Jul 31, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's hard to be concerned yet...

If pitchers in his league can’t strike him out much and he’s batting 330 with big power, it’s not like he’s demonstrated that he needs to learn to wait for his pitch. See how he reacts to pitchers that can fool him before we rush to judge his plate discipline.

With that said, his walk totals do force us to keep an eye on it.

by aap212 on Aug 2, 2008 12:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Easily become a much better prospect than Fernando Martinez?

Don’t buy it. Either you think F-Mart sucks or that this guy is a generational talent.

by mrkupe on Aug 4, 2008 11:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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B. Grade A arm with a C+ idea of what to do with it right now. Almost certainly a reliever in the future which makes grading him a little difficult . . .maybe he’d tighten his command out of the pen?

by mrkupe on Jul 30, 2008 1:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

I think he does have the potential for an A but I’d take him being a krod as a reliever over a mediocre starter.

by AthleticsReign on Jul 30, 2008 2:37 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm liking him more

I think I agree with you on the B, though I could be convinced about a B+. His numbers are actually pretty comparable to Jeffress’, though I think Jeffress is still better. Rodriguez is one year older, and is somehow striking out even more people ( just under 13 per 9 innings), with also mediocre control. This may be disturbing, but his control is actually improving. Two years ago, he walked more than a batter per inning. Last year, he cut that down dramatically to 5.7/9IP. His improvement hasn’t been as dramatic this year, but for Rodriguez, 5 BB/9 IP does represent progress. And that’s with his K rate going up significantly. His control certainly isn’t good, but it’s almost borderline passable. Considering it really wasn’t two years ago, I’m fairly confident.

Except for one thing: his AA stint. He continued striking people out there, but his control simply disappeared. That he has more or less returned to sanity since his return to A+ is slightly encouraging, but his inability to do anything in AA is still mystifying. Which is a very long way of reiterating what I said at first which is I agree with you on the B

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by OldProspects on Aug 1, 2008 5:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Hmm . . .B+ I think. Looks like a future very good player to me but maybe not in the true star range. Have to see just how much power he shows in the future, and that might depend on how his body matures.

by mrkupe on Jul 30, 2008 1:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A

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by King Billy Royal on Jul 30, 2008 12:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B

He looks like a solid hitter; reasonable power, doesn’t strike out too much, draws an okay number of walks. He’s fast, but not as fast as he used to be and his SB totals dropped significantly this year. Could be a very good outfielder

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by OldProspects on Jul 31, 2008 12:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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B+ . . .which is a substantial downgrade from a guy that I adored 2 years ago. Good post-hype sleeper for next year, when he should be sufficiently recovered from injury and in position to make a run for somebody’s third base job.

by mrkupe on Jul 30, 2008 1:49 AM EDT