Their Grade Now
Let's do some group thinking. Post prospects in the comment section who has seen their stock raise/drop this year and let the rest of the community decide what grade he should be right now. This should be fun.
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C+
Better control, a lot better results in the minors, a bit old and could be considered AAAA pitcher by detractors.
by playingwithfire on
Jul 28, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
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B-
Despite being a bit old, he has put up some very solid ratios in AAA, striking out over 9/9IP, and seems to have finally figured out how to command the strike zone. His fastball and curveball are both plus pitches. He seems to me to be a late bloomer. Although he has been roughened up in his first 2 starts, his 3rd in the big league was promising. I think he will be a league average starter once he learns not to beat himself.
by slitheringslider on
Jul 28, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
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is the Mariners still a major league team?
Really?
by playingwithfire on
Jul 29, 2008 2:25 AM EDT
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B
Age isn’t the concern with pitching prospects that it is with hitters. Good stuff and minor league pedigree combined with recent minor league dominance give him a good chance of being a mid-rotation starter. That’s worth a B.
Purcey’s a month younger than Dustin McGowan.
by DrunkIrish on
Jul 29, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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Oops
That should read, “draft pedigree”. As a former first-rounder, he’ll get every chance to stick that the Jays can give him.
by DrunkIrish on
Jul 29, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
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Hmm
Health is a concern with Purcey as well.
Purcey is also going to be out of options soon. So while he may be given opportunity this season and next. If he can’t stick he may see himself on the waiver wire. Josh Banks was released quickly despite being a 1S pick.
by achengy on
Jul 30, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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C+
Better results, still young, power still not really here, still strikes out too much.
by playingwithfire on
Jul 28, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
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B-
Biggest point is still young. xbh ratio is fine despite the homers lacking. Reports of improved defense
by blee1134 on
Jul 28, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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C+
Bouncing back nicely from a miserable campaign last year. Has a sweet lefty swing but is still a bit of a 1-tool player, his only plus skill has been his ability to hit for average. Was bad/terrible at base running and defense coming out of high school and has shown steady improvement for a year and a half and is now seen as average to above average at both skills with room for further improvement. Still not a great natural athlete but playing more instinctive now with a pretty good arm in the outfield. At the plate Sulentic still has a mediocre BB/K rate but it is not terrible and has hit a decent amount of doubles but is still lacking in power for a corner outfielder.
Now that he is hitting again Sulentic is at least worth keeping an eye on but unless he can start to show more power or improve his plate discipline he still profiles as not much more than a 4th outfielder. The positives are that he is still young and has demonstrated a strong work ethic during his struggles so there is still a decent amount of potential there.
by DiegoAsFan on
Jul 28, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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B
The guy still has a ton of talent. Ok, he’s 19 and struggling in AA. Is it troubling? A little, but talent is talent, and the kids still got tools, and a pretty good track record before this season.
by jseiner on
Jul 28, 2008 7:29 PM EDT
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B-
Maybe even a C+. I like his improved BB/K ratio this year, and the improved SB%. But he is showing a severe lack of power with only 12 XBH in almost 300 at bats. Youth is his best attribute right now.
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by Boxkutter on
Jul 29, 2008 8:06 AM EDT
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B
Still young and projectable. I’d cut some slack for a 19 year old in AA.
jseiner and I agree on this one.
by METSMETSMETS on
Jul 30, 2008 1:27 AM EDT
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C+/B-
Tabata failed to show any power and couldn’t even adjust to the new conditions in Trenton. He didn’t even hit for average. I doubt any meaningful power will show up, but I think he’ll be able to hit .280 in the majors, at least. I honestly think Tabata should focus on being more of an extreme-contact guy, a la Ichiro, instead of hitting for power, because he would then be more valuable in the majors. He just doesn’t have the frame for 30 homers. That said, he is still young and he could get much better.
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by bobbymcnally on
Aug 11, 2008 11:51 AM EDT
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Jeff Samardzija - P - Cubs
B+. Secondary pitches are developing, he’s throwing strikes more consistently. Still needs work but the much talked about potential may be materializing.
by toonsterwu on Jul 28, 2008 3:20 PM EDT 0 recs
Am I the only one who's unconvinced about him?
In AA this year, he had a 44:42 K:BB in 76 IP. His last 41 IP has been the first time in his entire career where he struck out more a large amount of batters. I’m not saying he doesn’t have potential, but I want to see a lot more
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by OldProspects on
Jul 28, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
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Not sure what grade to give him...
...But I think Samardzija could be one of those guys that proves how deceiving minor league stats can be. Sometimes I think people forget that the minors are meant to prepare a player for the majors, not simply to put up big numbers. I know I’ve seen countless prospects put up huge numbers in the minors and then struggle in the majors because they were either just throwing a high-90’s fastball by minor league hitters or crushing minor league fastballs. Once they reached the majors, they were outmatched.
In the Shark’s case, his bad numbers might have just arisen from the fact that he was working on his off-speed stuff, which wasn’t very good and was getting crushed. Now granted, this is pure speculation on my part, but it would make a lot of sense to explain his weird progression (statistically) up the minor league levels.
by joltinjoe on
Jul 28, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
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+1
I think a solid B or a B+ sounds about right at this point. We’ll know more at the end of the season though. But he seems like a sure thing for at least a decent bullpen arm right now, but I hope he starts next year.
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by Boxkutter on
Jul 29, 2008 8:03 AM EDT
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B
That fastball isn’t to be ignored. He can probably survive the bigs with that great fastball and bad breaking ball. He could be great when he improves that breaking pitch.
by METSMETSMETS on
Jul 30, 2008 1:28 AM EDT
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B+
Power has been there all along, but now average has started to climb
by jvidri9 on
Jul 28, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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B
Need to find a position. Bat is good and all.
by playingwithfire on
Jul 28, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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I agree with a B for Carter
He is one of the best power hitters in the minors right now, and a decent age for his level I think it’s a good bet that the power will translate as he moves up. The average is low but he has been very streaky, I think at the end of the season it will be decent for a power hitter. The K’s are obviously too high but there is time to work on it, and with his power some K’s are to be expected.
Carter’s defense is the big wild card right now if he can stick anywhere on the diamond his stock improves, and it especially goes up if he stays at 3B. I’m not sure how seriously the club is taking the 3B experiment, if they really think he can handle it or if it is just a long shot to help fill orginizational need.
by DiegoAsFan on
Jul 28, 2008 4:54 PM EDT
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B-
No position and horrible strikeout rate. Great power at .260 average in the Cal league doesnt project well…imo.
by tt68 on
Jul 28, 2008 3:51 PM EDT
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-1
Ryan Howard strikes out a lot too… and Carter has progressed a lot faster than Howard did. I gave him a B+ a few weeks ago.
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 28, 2008 7:15 PM EDT
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+2
Howard is an exception to the rule.
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by doublestix on
Jul 28, 2008 7:56 PM EDT
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Could see him having...
A Chris Davis like rise next year if he can put it all together.
B+
by AthleticsReign on
Jul 30, 2008 2:22 AM EDT
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B-. I’m tempted to drop him even more, but this seems to be a case of a guy forcing patience and thus hurting his natural instincts. Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
by toonsterwu on
Jul 28, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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Yup
Tools are still there, just not having a great season. If it continues next year though I think he will drop all the way down to a C at the end of the ‘09 season.
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by Boxkutter on
Jul 29, 2008 8:01 AM EDT
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C+
Doesn’t seem like there’s much to get excited about, does there?
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by doublestix on
Jul 28, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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C+.
Doing what people expected last year in AA, but at this stage, he needs to show more improvement. Potentially inching towards a move to the pen, where as a power pen arm, he could build a long career. That said, I think you give him until the end of the year, and maybe early next year.
by toonsterwu on
Jul 28, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
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B+
Some thought his offensive numbers were a product of friendly hitting environments in A+, but the kid has continued to mash in AA. Small sample size, but the bat definitely looks for real. With Buster Posey drafted, Sandoval will have to make his mark at a different position (1B? what about Big V?) or move to another organization.
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by Dewey Finn on
Jul 28, 2008 6:28 PM EDT
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B+
I’ve been very impressed with Pablo’s offensive ability from what I’ve seen of him in person. His bat is legit and he’s adequate behind the plate.
by SBcaptain2 on
Jul 28, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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+1
Yeah I would give him a B+ at this point. Maybe an A- if he continues his hot hitting in the less than friendly Dodd Stadium.
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by camwoody on
Jul 29, 2008 12:12 AM EDT
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B
I’m a big fan of Pablo, but B+ is too high right now. There are still questions about his defense, and his bat at 1B wouldn’t be nearly as valuable. Connecticut is a very hard park to hit in in April and May, but it plays fairly neutral as the weather warms up. I want to see 100 more at-bats in AA before I raise his grade. Still, fantastic breakout year for Pedro. As a Giants fan and early member on the Sandoval bandwagon, I hope to see him in the big leagues this september.
by RougeGorrila on
Jul 29, 2008 9:03 AM EDT
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B
Needs to show that his constantly improving minor league contact skills can translate to the big leagues. He’s walking more, striking out less, and hitting for more power in his second run at AAA, and there’s no reason for him not to be playing for the Mariners right now. He could easily be putting up a .300/.400/.600 line in Tacoma if it weren’t for bad BABIP luck.
The only reason he doesn’t keep the B+ is because I don’t trust the M’s to give him the ABs he needs to make the next step.
by DrunkIrish on
Jul 29, 2008 1:37 AM EDT
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C+
Good stats at AAA, but hasn’t made transition in brief stings in the Majors.
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by Zonis on
Jul 29, 2008 2:07 AM EDT
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You think...
that his “brief” failure to make that transition is enough reason to drop him from a B+ to a C+? Doesn’t seem very reasonable to me.
by DrunkIrish on
Jul 29, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
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B-
Big improvement in K/BB this year, but the gopheritis is concerning.
High risk/high reward.
by dkdc on
Jul 29, 2008 9:35 AM EDT
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B
He is still young for Hi A eventhough he repeats it this year. He’ll never have great command, but he certainly has the stuff where even a small increase in command will generate large improvements. I see him as a big league #3.
by Birdfan01 on
Jul 31, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
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Is still atrocious from the stretch? I recall multiple scouting reports years ago indicating that the guy is money until somebody gets on base, at which point he just totally falls apart. His peripherals with runners on this year look passable, but still aren’t anything to write home about.
Personally I think he’s most likely to end up as a quality pen arm, but he’s just so damn young that it’s hard to peg that projection on a kid with his build and arm.
by mrkupe on
Jul 31, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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Yes
bases empty:
304 batters faced, 53 H, 6 HR, 82/21 K/BB
men on:
174 batters faced, 45 H, 12 HR, 32/15 K/BB
That should be fixable. David Hernandez had the same problem and is much better this year.
by dkdc on
Aug 1, 2008 11:43 AM EDT
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Josh Reddick
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by the pinstripes on Jul 28, 2008 3:48 PM EDT 0 recs
B or B-
Has shown power and base stealing ability. If he does well in AA (out of the Cal League now) for the rest of the season…. and can put up similar numbers in AA as he did in A+, I could even see an argument made for a possible B+. Not sure how great his defense is though. He gets extra points because when he was drafted in my DMB League, the auto censor on the message board changed his named from “Reddick” to “Redthingy”.
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by Boxkutter on
Jul 29, 2008 7:59 AM EDT
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I think there's a decent argument he's already a B+
though I think you’re right that a B is better. He hits for solid power and doesn’t strike out a lot; if he can keep his batting average around .300, then I think there’s a case to be made that he’s as good a hitter as Mat Gamel (Gamel walks somewhat more, Reddick strikes out somewhat less, and has somewhat more power). I don’t know how good of a fielder he is, but a better fielding Gamel with more speed seems to deserve some discussion at least for a B+
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by OldProspects on
Jul 29, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
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David Hernandez
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Jul 28, 2008 3:48 PM EDT 0 recs
B
Always struck out a lot of people. His control is a bit iffy, but he still looks like a very good pitcher
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by OldProspects on
Jul 28, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
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B
Agreed.
Elite strikeout numbers can’t be ignored, but limiting walks is the key for Hernandez.
by dkdc on
Jul 29, 2008 9:41 AM EDT
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Dominic Brown
I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?
by the pinstripes on Jul 28, 2008 3:49 PM EDT 0 recs
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what we know now: has shown very good plate discipline w/ 47/59 bb to k ratio to go along w/ 16 steals.
the future: being 6’5” and only 200 or so pounds he should fill in and add power. only 7 hr’s in 375 ab is somewhat dissapointing. i expect this to change.
i’d give him a B
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by the pinstripes on
Jul 28, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
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B+, buy now
i’ve seen him play 3 times this year, and while he hasn’t been the best player on the field (michael taylor and mike durant have flat crushed the ball at lakewood), he projects to be a delmon young type impact player in the high minors. most phillies hitting prospects don’t really start hitting homeruns until AA, because their A and A+ parks are pitcher friendly parks in pitcher friendly leagues, and i don’t think that’ll be any different for brown, but two years from now, in 2010, in AA, he’s gonna tear the cover off the ball (20 HRs, .320 avg, not to mention 20 SBs).
there’s not a doubt that brown is the top OF prospect in the organization. it’s not collier or taylor, gose or golson.
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by variablesdont on
Jul 28, 2008 5:20 PM EDT
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Bill Rowell
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by JT12340 on Jul 28, 2008 3:50 PM EDT 0 recs
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Rowell gets a C. Scouting reports on him aren’t very good in just about every way possible, and the numbers have gone from decent to sucktacular.
Right now, his age and pedigree are basically all he has going for him. And while those will give him opportunities galore, I’m skeptical at this point that it’ll all translate into a useful major leaguer in the end.
by mrkupe on
Jul 28, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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C+
Tool and pedigree still here, could still come out of nowhere anytime.
by playingwithfire on
Jul 29, 2008 2:21 AM EDT
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C+
A dissapointing year for Billy, but he’s still hitting at ~90% of the league average where he’s one of the youngest players in the league.
He has the tools and has hit at lower levels, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he looks a lot better his second time through the Carolina League. He’ll have to find a way to hit LHPs, though.
by dkdc on
Jul 29, 2008 9:47 AM EDT
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B-
I’m defidentaly in the minority on Rowell, but I still like him. I’ve seen him play a couple times this year and while his numbers don’t suggest it, he has a great fluid swing. Furthermore he has a lanky frame that will certainly begin to fill out, remember he is still just 19 in Hi A. On the flip side his defense is terrible, no range, bad hands, but he does have a strong arm. I think down the line he will be an Aubrey Huff like player, where he can play 3B, RF, 1B, but none of them well, and may end up splitting time at all three and DH
by Birdfan01 on
Jul 31, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
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C
He’s been overrated all along.
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by Brickhaus on
Aug 5, 2008 4:26 PM EDT
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B-
Defense is still a major question mark. Elite batting eye (53BB:49K in 87 games) and constantly improving power.
After putting a .279/.390/.397 skipped a level to AA and putting up a .343/.436/.489.
by achengy on
Jul 28, 2008 4:15 PM EDT
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+1
Everything you said, plus the fact that he is no better than a platoon guy right now. But he is doing well. I like him, just wish he could hit LHP.
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by Boxkutter on
Jul 28, 2008 5:13 PM EDT
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B
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by Boxkutter on
Jul 28, 2008 5:12 PM EDT
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I agree
I don’t get why people are so excited about him. He looks to me like somewhere between a Carlos Gomez or a Jacoby Ellsbury – in three years
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by OldProspects on
Jul 28, 2008 6:35 PM EDT
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Except
unlike Gomez, Revere’s shown pretty good plate discipline (23:27 BB:K ratio), and Gomez hit .275 at the same level only at only 6 months younger than Revere’s current .399 performance.
by Grudyfan on
Aug 2, 2008 12:21 AM EDT
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Another B
I’d like to see some more walks and something other than gap power before proclaiming him anything but the next Jeremy Reed.
by DrunkIrish on
Jul 29, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
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Excellent point...
A Luis Polonia (career .293 hitter with 300+ SBs) upside isn’t bad. Good, not great.
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by Dewey Finn on
Jul 29, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
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B+. Kid can clearly hit and he’s got elite speed. Solid eye at the plate too.
I think he’d be a good candidate to skip the FSL next year.
by mrkupe on
Jul 28, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
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Agree with everything you say
I gave him a B, but I could see him getting a B+. He has shown nice doubles and triples power so far, and his SB/CS ratio has improved lately. I can’t see giving him an A or A- yet though. To me, those are reserved for “sure thing” prospects, and with Revere still in LoA, he is far from a sure thing. He is one of the best lead-off hitting prospects out there though.
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by Boxkutter on
Jul 29, 2008 7:55 AM EDT
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A-
The man is hitting an unreal .404. He has great contact ability and is line driving the ball all over the place. Mix that with his elite speed and we have the next great leadoff hitter.
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by King Billy Royal on
Jul 28, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
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I’m very tempted to say A-, but I still have concerns about how his power will hold up at higher levels. He also needs to improve his defense . . .if he’s a left fielder then I’d have a hard time projecting him as anything more than a slightly above-average player in the best case right now.
But the bat is pretty freaking awesome for a kid his age, there’s no doubt of that.
by mrkupe on
Jul 29, 2008 12:18 AM EDT
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He has a .437 BABIP
And a 16% LD rate. I’m not saying he won’t develop – I think he will be a good player – but he isn’t Ichiro yet
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