Phillies get Blanton
by killa on Jul 17, 2008 6:56 PM EDT
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PrintESPN just reported on Sportscenter that The Phillies just acquired Joe Blanton from the A's in exchange for 3 minor leaguers. ESPN is now reporting that it's Cardenas, Outman and Spencer
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Cardinas, Outman, Spencer
Great deal by Beane who just got his future 2nd baseman.
Great for A's
Outman looks like at absolutely the worst a good LOOGY. Cardenas is going to be a stud—Polanco at worst, Utley at best. Spencer is at best a 4th-5th OF. Nothing special.
Spencer isn't a 4th-5th OF
He is either an MLB starter or he doesn’t get out of AA.
Lots of talent in there, but he just can’t bring it to the park so often.
Sure
But will that be a major league 2B or a AAA 2B? He still hasn’t made the jump to AA yet and has shown little power. Nice prospect to be sure, top 100 calibre, but far from being a lock to being even an average keystone kop.
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by WayneCampbell08 on Jul 18, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Cardenas for Blanton alone
would’ve been a great trade, IMO. I think Beane got a great deal here, perhaps better than what he got from my Cubs in that Harden deal. I love Cardenas, I think he’s going to be a special 2nd baseman.
Is he going to continue to play 2nd, though?
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by OldProspects on Jul 17, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
at what point
does beane just have too many guys and no enough spots…. i mean he just got eric patterso and matt murton, now another outfielder and another 2b…. at some point hes going to run out of positions… but i still think its a good trade (assuming the prospects works out.(
"If you were a hot dog, would you eat yourself?"
Weeks?
Who moves off 2B now or gets traded? Weeks or Cardenas? I am guessing it’s Weeks since his upside has always been a little lower than most budding superstars.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
I've always wondered
if Cardenas’ bat was good enough that he might move off 2nd and perhaps play 3rd.
That said, if I was a betting man, I’d guess that they’ll keep Weeks at 2nd for now. Cardenas should be in AA in 09, with a slim shot at the bigs at some point in the year, and a clear shot in 2010. They can wait to make a decision on Weeks down the line. Perhaps CF? That said, they have a lot of OF options as well.
position move
I have a feeling they will try cardenas or weeks at other positions. Some believe Weeks will end up in CF, but Cardenas could end up at third.
Beane will either sell Weeks soon
or get rid of Cardenas a little later. I don’t think he has the confidence that Weeks will have any trade valuein a couple of years, or any value to the A’s.
by METSMETSMETS on Jul 18, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think Week or Cardenas
is a lock to stay at 2nd. So one of them could end up somewhere else.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
WTF are you talking about?
The A’s just signed Weeks like 10 days ago. Now they “don’t have the confidence that he’ll have any value”?
Seriously, where are you getting this crap?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Well their weeknesses are middle infield and center field
and Weeks/Patterson mostly have CF potential, while Weeks/Cardenas have 2B potential (maybe one could be tried out at SS)
witty remark
Too many prospects for your big league positions is very rarely a problem.
Chances are that one of either Weeks or Cardenas will turn out not to be a MLB-caliber second baseman. Either offensively or defensively. Either way, you have a while to find out, especially in Weeks’ case. If Weeks, Cardenas, and Patterson (forgot him for a second) all end up being MLB-caliber second-basemen, then they’ll be great trade fodder for positions that the As will inevitably need, despite their quite amazing glut of prospects.
I’d also like to second the notion that the Blanton package is probably better than the Harden haul. I think Cardenas is the best player of the six received, which is usually a good indicator. I’m not saying Beane could’ve gotten more for Harden, who knows. But it’s at the least interesting that the consistently (or at least mostly) good pitcher got more than the injury-prone guy with amazing stuff and results (when he’s on the mound).
WIth this meaning a better chance of Street and Duchscher (sorry don’t feel like looking the spelling right now) being traded, Oakland could have an amazing farm system at the end of the year.
by abbreviatedman on Jul 17, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
sean gallagher
cardenas is very good, but i think sean gallagher ends up being the best player out of those 2 deals.
by fewgoodcards on Jul 17, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly a valid opinion.
I hedged my bet a bit by saying “I think” in that sentence, because I realized it was an opinion people might disagree with. But on further thinking, what I really should’ve said is that Cardenas has the highest upside of any of the players the As got back. It’s still my opinion that he’s also the best player, since he’s got a high upside AND despite being farther away seems like has a pretty high floor also.
Anyway, thanks for the counteropinion!
by abbreviatedman on Jul 17, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Cardenas is a nice player. Probably eventually a 5 at second, below average defense good bat. That said, there is no way he is better than Gallagher. Gallagher is already pitching well in the majors. And in a world where Carlos Silva can get 48 million dollars, a quality starting pitcher is much more valuable than a second baseman.
It's Amazing
How once a player leaves the Cubs organization, they jump up two-three grades higher. If I were a cynic, I’d say there’s some bias here.
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by WayneCampbell08 on Jul 18, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Blevins got dealt to the A's in the Kendall trade
and he jumped up a few grades himself-from average A Ball pitcher to MLB Reliever.
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biased
I know I’m a biased Cubs fan, but my impression late last year, and into the offseason, was that that Eveland and Gallagher were two of the most underrated non-established players in the game. I think it’s cool that the A’s went out and got both of them. :)
happ
On the day the Phils trade for Blanton, Happ throws a true gem in AAA -
7 ip 0 h 0 er 1 bb 12 k, 71 of 102 for strikes
Kinda ironic?
Happ’s wasting away in the minors, where he doesn’t belong. He doesn’t really fit as a reliever. He belongs in someone’s major league rotation and could settle in as a league average starter. Maybe a hair better at his best.
Outman
What does everyone think this means for Outman? I didn’t really understand why the Phils made him a reliever to start…
Will he start?
Needed MLB LOOGY
Phils wanted another LHP out of the bullpen to save Romero’s arm. They hoped Outman could be the guy. Frankly, I’m not sure why he didn’t get the chance when Gordon went down.
Jason Donald
Anyone have a good reason why the A’s didn’t receive Jason Donald in that package for Blanton? Bobby Crosby is horrible and they don’t really have anyone AA prospects in the pipeline. Donald is essentially almost MLB ready and could start next year.
Only thing I can think of is that
Philly didnt wanna give him up or Beane has targeted another SS in another system hes gonna try to trade for. I really wanted Donlad as well.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Donald
He’s in the same position as Cardenas though, blocked by an all star at his position signed to a long term deal.
Maybe Beane's scouts just werent impressed.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
With his play at Short thats is..
His Bat seems legit.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Street and Murton for Brignac?
People keep wondering about the A’s adding a SS and/or making their next trade. This is just a thought.
More like Brignac, McGee and Jaso...
Street is not going to come cheaply, nor should he as the highest-upside reliever in the AL (and cost-controlled for 2 1/2 years).
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I didn't mean just that...
I didn’t mean Brignac as the only piece, just as the primary piece. Do you think it would make sense, though? Street and Murton for Brignac and a couple of lesser prospects?
Let me put it this way
If a trade actually happens and Brignac is the best prospect going back to Oakland, the Rays won the deal (unless they gave up half of their low minors along with him).
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Street
I’m curious as to what you mean by upside as a reliever. Last I checked, Paps, Rivera and Nathan were all better. Now, if we’re just talking about “upside”, in terms of how much better they can get, I’d prefer Soria. If we’re looking at this purely from a cost controlled perspective, then I’d wager Street is probably the best closer on the market.
I agree about the possibility of a Rays deal, though. Street will not come cheap at all.
only for gamel or escobar, no deal then
Brewers Eyeing Huston Street?
By Tim Dierkes [July 18 at 11:37pm CST]
11:34pm: Haudricourt says the Brewers dispatched their top special assistant to watch the A’s play the Yankees. Haudricourt speculates that the Brewers might have an eye on Huston Street, who is under team control through 2010. Street’s had an off-year, mainly due to a rising home run rate.
21, 20 of which have been banned already
Street blew the save, looked like crap, and the Brewers soured on him.
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Is Bravesin07 a scout for the Brewers?
That sounds like something he would do.
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