BA 100
For the sake of this thread, let's say its the half-way mark for this minor league season. I'm curious to who is going to be on the Baseball America Top 100 Prospects list, so I thought I would get some ideas from you guys.
Take the team you follow list the players into three catergories: Definites, Probables, Slight Chance. It would also be helpful if you could guess the area he would be in.
I'll take the Yankees:
Definites: Austin Jackson (10-20), Jose Tabata (40-50), Jesus Montero (60 and up?)
Probables: Zach McAllister (80 and up?)
Slight Chance: Mark Melancon (would they have a problem putting a reliever on it?), Gerrit Cole (no idea), Jairo Heredia, Dellin Betances (likely not after poor season)
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Jario
i’d put jario in the “probable” category…....he’s had an excellent season and his ratios look good
I’ll do the Jays (cause I’m lazy):
Definite – Snider (top 10)
Probable – Cecil (75-100)
Slight Chance- Arencibia
by Wheelhouse on Jul 12, 2008 1:46 PM EDT 0 recs
arencibia
he is tearing it up this year at catcher..he is top 50 for sure.
by jsmall404 on
Jul 12, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
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Angels and White Sox...
haven’t been mentioned yet in this thread. Anyone want to give it a go?
by journeymen on
Jul 15, 2008 10:58 AM EDT
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Sox?
One could argue that – by their omission – the White Sox have been sufficiently “mentioned”. :->
by BobbyMac on
Jul 15, 2008 12:59 PM EDT
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White Sox
Lock: Godon Beckham
Possible: Aaron Poreda
Longshot: Clayton Richard
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by e-gus on
Jul 17, 2008 11:50 PM EDT
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phillies
definite: adrian cardenas, lou marson
probable: carlos carrasco
possible: dominic brown, joe savery, jason donald
ANATOMY OF ERA:
Variables Don't; Constants Aren't
by variablesdont on Jul 12, 2008 2:01 PM EDT 0 recs
Another possible...
Greg Golson. I know he has been injured for awhile and strikes out too much still, but I think his skillset and tools may get him into the last part of the Top 100. I like his power/speed combo. Reminds me of a poor man’s Greg Halman right now. Wrist should be fine by this weekend I read, good enough to play in the Futures Game.
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by Boxkutter on
Jul 12, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
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golson is a personal favorite of mine.
i just don’t see him as a starting outfielder. he’s got great defensive tools, and he’s starting to learn how to hit, but his plate discipline is terrible.
before the season, i supported giving golson a spot on the phillies 25 man roster with the justification being that if he’s ever going to learn how to hit, it’s gonna happen under charlie manuel and milt thompson’s tutelage. and even if that takes 2 or 3 years, golson is still a much more effective 5th OF than so taguchi. golson can actually play CF. golson can actually steal a base. and best of all, golson can actually throw a guy out from LF.
it didn’t happen, though, and i guess that’s okay considering the fact that golson has hit pretty well in AA, but i just don’t think he’s taken a big enough step forward to be considered in the top 100 of baseball.
ANATOMY OF ERA:
Variables Don't; Constants Aren't
by variablesdont on
Jul 12, 2008 2:10 PM EDT
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I can see that
I do think he becomes more than a 4th or 5th OF though. I am probably ranking him too high in my mind (if he hadn’t of been injures I would have drafted him already in our league, and if you trade me that last pick you have, that’s who I would take). He is still young and despite the high K rate has hit 300 so far this year (I see he has just returned from injury) in his first real chance in AA. Spent some time at the end of the season there last year and his numbers this year are much better. I like him as a possible 20HR 30SB OF when he finally settles into the majors with a batting average in the high 270s and about 140K a season.
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by Boxkutter on
Jul 12, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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I’d rank Carrasco ahead of Marson
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by sully10x on
Jul 12, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
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there is nothing special about carrasco.
marson can flat out hit, he has excellent plate discipline, and he’s been the starting catcher on two straight league championship teams (2006 SAL, 2007 FSL), so i’m pretty sure he knows how to call a game. i don’t really know how well those skills will hold up as he advances to the majors, but right now, his package looks quite good.
as for carrasco, he’s all kinds of solid, but he doesn’t stand out in any way. it’s hard to get much recognition like that, and even though he’s only 21, he’s been on the prospect radar for a long time, and SNTS could take him down to the 70-90 range, which lands him as a solid probable.
ANATOMY OF ERA:
Variables Don't; Constants Aren't
by variablesdont on
Jul 12, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
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Braves
Definites: Heyward, Hanson, Hernandez, Freeman
Probables: Hicks
Slight Chance: Locke, Rohrbaugh
by bravitos5122 on Jul 12, 2008 2:10 PM EDT 0 recs
No Schafer?
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by Boxkutter on
Jul 12, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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Maybe not
His production has been down drastically since his HGH suspension. Perhaps that severely hurts his prospect standing.
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by King Billy Royal on
Jul 12, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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Look Closer
He has been producing runs pretty darned well ( 21 Runs, 24 Rbi in 39 games) and hi OBP is HIGHER than last year in the Sally League. I’d say any difference in percieved production might have more to do with the fact that he is playing AA-BALL, don’t you. He looks like the exact same good propect to me.
by casejud on
Jul 13, 2008 1:51 AM EDT
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Carolina League...
Last year, I should say. he really did tear up the Sally in 2007 but where he is now is a sizable jump for most prospects.
by casejud on
Jul 13, 2008 1:52 AM EDT
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it is kind of interesting that neither of my 2008 draft picks from the braves made this list
i’ll take schafer and flowers over hernandez and freeman most any day.
ANATOMY OF ERA:
Variables Don't; Constants Aren't
by variablesdont on
Jul 12, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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Hernandez? who do you mean by this? Diory? he’s no-where near 100.
Likewise to Hicks
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by sully10x on
Jul 12, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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I’d guess Gorkys…
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by koolkerns101 on
Jul 12, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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locke
I think I’d put him and also Teheran as probable. Locke is really coming on lately and his peripherals are good. Also, Schafer has to be at least as slight chance and I’d probably move Hicks to slight chance as well.
by was385 on
Jul 12, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
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Definite: Heyward, Hanson, Schafer
Probables: Freeman, G. Hernandez
Slight Chance: Locke, Rohrbaugh, Hicks, Teheran, Flowers, Medlen (starting now, maintaining ratios)
Funny thing is, the Rangers might have as many Braves prospects in the top 100 as the Braves do. :-/
by mraver on
Jul 13, 2008 9:40 PM EDT
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I say Flowers has a good shot as well considering BA was high on him last year and he has been just as good if not better this year (currently 67/66 BB/K ratio) and is hitting well in a pitchers park. Also plays a premium position
Locks: Heyward, Hanson, Freeman, Hernandez
Probable: Schafer, Flowers
Maybe, just maybe: Locke, Teheran (hasn’t pitched in almost a month),
I really think the Braves could have 7 guys in there, which is amazing considering it could have been Max Ramirez and Elvis Andrus in there too. I didn’t think their system was this deep until I stopped and looked recently.
by yondaime4 on
Jul 14, 2008 12:48 AM EDT
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Flowers
I think that they would have to get positive reports on his catching for this to be the case. I do think that six is a distinct possibility for the Braves, which is pretty impressive.
I really think the Braves could have 7 guys in there, which is amazing considering it could have been Max Ramirez and Elvis Andrus in there too.
And Feliz, who was like #12 on their midseason update.
by zywica on
Jul 14, 2008 12:09 PM EDT
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Mariners
Should be one:
Phillipe Aumont – 40-60 range
Greg Halman – 50-75 range
Wlad Balentien – 75-100 range (huge drop off this year)
Possibles:
Michael Saunders -
That’s all I can think of off the top of my head. I won’t count Clement since he is in the majors.
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by Boxkutter on Jul 12, 2008 2:11 PM EDT 0 recs
Agree to Disagree
Saunders is a definite, and I think a lock for the top 50, unless he implodes.
Aumont is probably in the 70ish range, Halman is so volatile he could be anywhere from top 40 to off the list depending on his 2nd half.
Balentein is off, I bet.
Juan Ramirez and Michael Pineda are long shot possibilities, as is Triunfel.
by gogotabata on
Jul 12, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
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Bow to you...
To be fair, I try to follow all prospects, not just Mariner ones, so my knowledge of them in particular isn’t that great. I am probably underappreciating Saunders, it is very likely he is on the list. I completely forgot about Triunfel, but I think he makes the list if only because of his age, and he is has shown some increase in HR power lately.
Balentien I kept on there just because I know they had him on the list pre-season and I wasn’t sure they would want to drop him completely off yet.
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by Boxkutter on
Jul 12, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
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Balentien...
Wlad just turned 24, and BA tends to have a huge amount of “age bigotry”. I think he has almost zero chance to return to the list. If he’s hitting enough that he’d get BA’s attention, Seattle will play him, IMO, and he won’t qualify.
by BobbyMac on
Jul 12, 2008 5:39 PM EDT
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josh fields
will probably be middle of the pack too.. . hasn’t signed yet, but wont be long til he’s up, probably in a setup role
by SoCalSoxFan on
Jul 13, 2008 7:28 PM EDT
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saunders
saunders got a honorable mention on the top 25 list….....he might even be top 25 by year-end, depending how the olympics go for him
by Wheelhouse on
Jul 12, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
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Saunders
barley missed the top 25 lol..Id say he would be in the top 100
Aumont wont get on the top 100 if he dosen’t pitch again this year.
by jsmall404 on
Jul 12, 2008 6:33 PM EDT
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Rangers
Could have a boat load, and I’m sure I’ll miss a bunch. I’m assuming Chris Davis won’t qualify.
Definites: Neftali Feliz, Engel Beltre, Max Ramirez, Justin Smoak, Elvis Andrus
Possible: Taylor Teagarden, John Mayberry, Julio Borbon, Kasey Kiker, Marcus Lemon, Blake Beavan, Michael Main
Long shot: Jose Vallejo, Omar Poveda, Kennil Gomez, Neil Ramirez
by gogotabata on Jul 12, 2008 2:36 PM EDT 0 recs
Derek Holland
I’d think he’d be more likely to make the list then Lemon, Vallejo, Poveda, and Gomez. I don’t think he’ll make it, but if he keeps pitching as well as he has been, he might get close.
by naropean on
Jul 12, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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That's pretty optimistic
at least as far as your possibles list goes. None of those guys on the long shot list have a chance, unless someone there really takes a shine to Vallejo. I think Teagarden is a long shot, maybe Borbon and Beavan, but Mayberry, Kiker, Lemon don’t seem like they have any chance, and Main is just getting going after injury so I don’t see how he makes it either.
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by t ball on
Jul 12, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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teagarden
is the best defensive catcher in theminors. unless he falls apart at the plate he will be top 100
by jsmall404 on
Jul 12, 2008 6:27 PM EDT
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lots of possibilities
I think Beltre is a possible instead of definite. Max Ramirez may get his 120 at bats but I would bet against so he is likely a definite. Eric Hurley is also iffy to qualify for the list, if he is qualified he is at least a possible.
If the Rangers don’t have the highest number of players in the top 100 they will certainly be in the top 3.
by Dalman on
Jul 14, 2008 12:00 AM EDT
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Rangers are Loaded
Graduates: Chris Davis (top 15 if not), Max Ramirez (top 30 if not), Eric Hurley (top 75 if not), German Duran and Brandon Boggs (not top 100)
Locks: Neftali Feliz (top 25), Elvis Andrus (top 50), Justin Smoak (top 50), Engel Beltre (80-90)
Possible: Matt Harrison (could graduate), Taylor Teagarden, Julio Borbon
A year Away: Blake Beavan, Michael Main, Kasey Kiker, Cristian Santana, Neil Ramirez, Marcus Lemon
Wild Card: Martin Perez; 17 year old LHP in NW league with good numbers
If he was Healthy: Wilmer Font; 2nd best pure stuff behind Feliz in Rangers’ system but hasn’t pitched yet in 2008
Worthy but not likely: Derek Holland, Jose Vallejo
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by SaltyDawg on
Jul 15, 2008 3:20 AM EDT
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Yankees...
Jackson will be lower than 10-20, Montero will be higher than you have him, and Tabata will be off altogether or at best 90-100 range. If Tabata does make it, it would be generous and because of his age… he looks awful this year, hasnt done crap, and has added serious attitude questions. He’s off the list. Jackson hasnt impressed, starting really slow and then coming alive a bit… but he’s been underwhelming compared to his hype. All the streakiness does it add more questions about him IMHO. Montero I love, and although he wont catch for much longer he certainly looks like a middle of the order bat. You really have to rake to impress me as a 1B/DH prospect – BUT Montero is doing just that.
I like McAllister, but ARL and relatively unimpressive stuff will almost certainly keep him off the list for BA, who values that stuff more than BP, etc… He’s not a bad prospect, but there will be plenty with better claims to the top 100.
The other dont have a shot other than a real longshot in Melancon and maybe Jairo, but probably not. Its been a bad year for Yankee prospects, who have almost all taken a step back or created major questions. The entire system has really taken a step and a half back.
by alskor on Jul 12, 2008 2:46 PM EDT 0 recs
Disagree with most of this
Jackson was rated #14 by them. He’s just holding his own, but when you compare it to say McCutchen 2007, it looks good. Scouts love his tools and think he’s capable of more.
Tabata will be at least on somewhere. He’ll be back in a few weeks, so his placement will probably depend on what he can show when he returns. He was back to hitting for average after his slow start, but the power remains a question as he recovers from hamate surgery.
McAllister has unimpressive stuff? Low 90s sinker will still room to grow looks pretty good. I don’t think Jairo will make it. Betances might, he has great stuff but is having major issues finding the zone.
A couple of the hitters in Charleston may find their way on late too, as might the guys coming back from injury like Sanchez and Garcia.
by number_twentyone on
Jul 12, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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I think Jackson is an overrate at 14 but
he has the tools to be rated highly. That being said, poor Tabata is totally overmatched at AA. He is the yungest OF in the league and it shows. He has the lowest OPS of any qualified OF in the EL. He might make the list on potential/upside but he has been rushed, IMHO. There is a lot to like about Montero but catching isn’t one of them. He is just a bat but could be a very useful one as he moves up. I have to go with alskor or McAllister. Not a bad prospect, just not top 100 IMO.
Overall, the Yankees farm system has taken a tumble. It is hard to believe they spend so much money on the draft and have so little to show. for it.
by sdtribefan on
Jul 13, 2008 2:26 AM EDT
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they've only spent money during the past few years
so you’ve overreacting just a tad.
Tabata hasn’t looked overmatched recently in AA average-wise, so it’s just back to square one with him.
by number_twentyone on
Jul 17, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
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Jackson
Was #41, not #14.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2008/265658.html
I think Jackson moves up, but is a shade below the 10-20 range that was claimed above. That was the comment I was responding to. I say 20-30. Too many good players with great tools and less questions above him. Still a great prospect. He has held his own, as you said, and should move up… but holding your own doesnt typically launch a toolsy player in the top 20.
Tabata is… terrible. His HR totals from his four pro seasons are 3, 5, 5 and 3. He doesnt walk, and now we have off field problems. I think he gets dropped. If he does make it, he will be plummeting in the rankings. ARL only takes you so far… you still have to produce. Tabata has hung his hat for too long on a high average in the low minors and a good ARL. He is now batting .248/.320/.310. The way he has been handled is troubling as well.
Here’s another thing – shockingly, those high AVG years from Tabata were BABIP driven. He posted BABIPs of .363 and .360. So he had a couple years where he had artifically high batting averages inflated by luck. Other than that he has never hit at all. He has some tools, but there are a number of guys like this and I think most people would take Triunfel, Beltre, Tejeda, Inoa, etc… all over Tabata at this point. Even if we were looking to make a list of just “underperforming, toolsy, international signing, teenage prospects below AAA” Tejada would ranks kind of low on that list now. There are lots more guys with tools almost as good or better than Tabata that play up the middle positions and have done more with the bat. There’s still hope for him and I never write off a guy with tools, but he is now a far cry from an elite prospect. He has done pretty much nothing as a professional baseball player to demonstrate that he should be regarded as an elite prospect. The times he has performed relatively well look like the exceptions rather than the rule now.
McAllister – here’s the rub: look at just the AL East farm systems, and I find pitching prospects I like more and who have more impressive stuff and better resumes than McAllister all over the place. There are at least four guys on the Sox, maybe six on the Rays, and probably four on the Orioles. So, bare minimum that would roughly place McAllister somewhere around the 15th best pitching prospect in his own division. Im ignoring the Jays for now, but there are some arguments there even. McAllister is a nice prospect, and I think he is certainly underrated, but top 100 is a stretch for him at this point. If he had overwhelming stuff and the numbers he has I would say yes. If he had overwhelming numbers with the tools he has I would again put him in. But with those numbers and that stuff I cant see it.
I think of guys like Heath Rollins, who is way down the depth chart of Rays pitching prospects… I dont think McAllister really has any better claim than a guy like him. Theyre nice prospects, but top 100 is beyond them.
by alskor on
Jul 13, 2008 6:20 AM EDT
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A few things
I agree that Tabata has been horrible this season, and has not hit for much power throughout his career. I think you’re misusing the concept of BABIP however. The fact that he has posted consistent BABIP values in the .360’s over the past few seasons would seem to argue that his norm is a high BABIP, and his recent struggles and subsequently lower BABIP are due to bad luck. You have to look at the big sample size to determine a player’s norm when looking at BABIP, and see how it fluctuates. Also, we don’t know how his hamate bone problem, which caused him to miss parts of the last 2 seasons, affected his power. I agree he has definitely hurt his stock this season with his attitude problems and inconsistent performance, but I think he will still be in the top 100.
I think McAllister’s performance is definintely top 100 worthy. He gets a lot of groundball outs with his low-90’s sinker, and has a very low walk rate, and a decent strikeout rate. He compares favorably to Justin Masterson at a similar point in his career IMO, though Zach throws a little harder, and doesn’t rely on the deception of the sidearm delivery. I’d be curious to hear the 14 AL east pitching prospects you would rank ahead of him.
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by lemonjello on
Jul 13, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
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RE: A few things
BABIP – So youre telling me he’s a legit .360 BABIP guy? I think its exceedingly more likely those are outliers. Lets say he is a legit high BABIP player – like .330 range. That would be fairly high. .330 BABIP would still drop 30 points off those averages and nobody knows who this guy is if he never hit HRs and never hit higher than .270s. MLB average BABIP is around .300 in any given year. Let me be clear – Jose Tabata is not going to regularly hit for .60 points of BABIP above league average.
McAllister – top of my head – Masterson, Bowden, Bard, Kris Johnson (is about equal), Price, McGee, Wade Davis, Hellickson, Niemann, Mason, Barnese (roughly equal), Talbot, Rollins, Liz, Arrieta, Spoone, Brandon Erbe (equalish), Dave Hernandez
And PLEASE bear in mind, if you take issue with two or three of these, that does not disprove my larger point. Even if you want to bump him up a couple spots there are lots of better prospects – and this was a non-comprehensive list off the top of my head. Heck, if I put a little more thought into it I might disagree with a couple above – BUT I think Im in the neighborhood here. Many were drafted above where McAllister was and have had better results or have better stuff.
by alskor on
Jul 13, 2008 11:55 AM EDT
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Guh?
Besides the obvious guys (Price, Davis, McGee, Bowden, etc.) I gotta disagree with A LOT of the players you just mentioned, not just a few. Aren’t Bard and Masterson relievers now? Kris Johnson has been awful, and Niemann and Talbot haven’t done much considering their age in AAA. Arrieta is younger and doing worse at the same level. Barnese has had like 4 starts. Erbe is the same age and doing worse at the same level. Hernandez isn’t as good too.
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by hallofamer2000 on
Jul 14, 2008 12:26 AM EDT
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McGee - not any more
I know TJ surgery is pretty routine now, but I don’t think he’s going to maintain top-100 status, and almost certainly won’t have it entering the 2010 season after missing most of 2009.
by BobbyMac on
Jul 14, 2008 3:27 AM EDT
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Okay
So, as I predicted above, someone was willing to quibble with some of those choices… but does it disprove my point? My point wasnt that McAllister is around the Xth worst piching prospect in the AL East… it was that he’s not a top 100 prospect. Do you disagree?
by alskor on
Jul 14, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
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Yes it does
Almost everyone you mentioned was wrong. And by saying he’s the Xth pitching prospect in a division, therefore he shouldn’t make it is an awful argument.
Also, say 5-6 pitchers are better in the division. Multiply that by 6 for each division and that gets 30-36. So you’re saying the 31st or 37th best pitching prospect in baseball won’t get in?
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by hallofamer2000 on
Jul 14, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
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So you think he's in BA's top 100 then?
I didnt say I agree with you AT ALL with your criticisms of those pitchers, and in fact I dont.
Many of the guys with worse numbers you stated above have better stuff and MUCH better secondary offerings. If I was putting money on guys making it I would still favor guys like Erbe, McGee (even after surgery) and Arrieta. Your problems dont seem to be with “almost all the guys” I mentioned either. Also, Masterson is a starter long term.
My argument that he isnt even near an elite pitching prospect in his division was both valid and a good reason why he wont be a top 100 prospect. I guess we’ll see though. Im fairly confident BA wont have him in the top 100.
by alskor on
Jul 14, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
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This is one of the most convoluted arguments I can recall.
Here is a simple question for McAllister boosters. Is a pitcher who gets hit by LH batters at a .341 average in a league generally considered to be a pitchers league really BA top 100 material? Personally, I do not think so for this and other reasons but he is young enough to improve. He hits a lot of bats for his ceiling to be that high IMHO but if his secondary pitches improve he could get to top 100 some day.
by sdtribefan on
Jul 14, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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Talbot no, but Liz has pretty filthy stuff. McAllister is a very solid prospect, but in the upside-hungry world of prospectdom, Liz is going to get the nod over him almost every time.
by mrkupe on
Jul 17, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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Tabata doesn't walk?
That’s a weird thing to say. Sure you don’t mean F-Mart?
Tabata’s average was fueled by BABIP, but he does have some speed right now, and you can say the same about many other prospects at an early level. Tabata’s cut down on his strikeouts this year, and his BABIP was inching up after a poor start.
by number_twentyone on
Jul 17, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
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Brewers
Near-Locks -
Mat Gamel (15-30)
Alcides Escobar (20-40)
Jeremy Jeffress (50-75)
Probable –
Angel Salome
Maybe’s –
Michael Brantley
Long-Shots –
Jonathon Lucroy
Taylor Green
Jake Odorizzi
Zach Braddock
Brett Lawrie
Personally, while I don’t think the Brewers have more than 4 top 100 guys, there has been so much talk about the talent in their system, especially AA Huntsville (Gammons called it the most talented minor league team he’s ever seen), that a few guys could really sneak up on these lists.
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by ufoboy90 on Jul 12, 2008 2:54 PM EDT 0 recs
Salome
has to be a lock…. BA always gives props to catchers… anyhow, it seems that we always rate them lower than BA … and Salome is just really impressive this year. I don’t see how he doesn’t make it
by daveh33 on
Jul 12, 2008 5:17 PM EDT
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I agree with most of this list, but I'd bump Lucroy up to a "Maybe"
I think he’s a better prospect than Salome at this point, personally.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on
Jul 14, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
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Rays
Locks:
Price (if he’s eligible)
Beckham
Davis
Hellickson
Probably:
Brignac
Possibly:
McGee
Sleeper:
Nick Barnese: Dominating Hudson Valley in the mold of McGee/Davis/Hellickson before him. Everything you’d like in a young pitcher. Healthy, some projection, good control (command i can’t answer, it’s early and I’m not a scout), K’ing more than a batter an inning, and an absurd GB rate.
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by Tyler on Jul 12, 2008 2:57 PM EDT 0 recs
how is Briggy not a lock?
i know his stock is down… i can agree with that… but are there 100 players better than him? i don’t think so. not with his D at SS, and his power potential.
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Jul 12, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
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brignac
geez, tough crowd. He was top 30 last year, and he is still 21 in AA and hasnt been awful by any means at the plate while improving his defense. he is a lock for the top 100…maybe not top 50
by jsmall404 on
Jul 12, 2008 6:29 PM EDT
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i agree, he may slip out of the 50...
...maybe… btw, he is 22 and playing AAA (when not riding pine in tampa) this year…
by daveh33 on
Jul 12, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
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Barnese
just saw him pitch a week ago. Turned out to be one of his “worst” starts (walked 4 in 6 innings, struggled with his control) but he’s a big kid who has plenty of room to grow into his body, and was hitting 91 consistently throughout the game. I didn’t see the guns until the 4th or so, but people around me said they saw him hit 95 early on. He’s also pretty much making mincemeat of NY-Penn, a league of mostly older prospects, as he’s still just 19.
The knock on him is he’s just a fastball pitcher eating up less sophisticated hitters. While his secondary stuff lacked command throughout the start, he did have one just devastating curveball to strike out a batter. The promise is there, and it’ll be interesting to see what kind of attention he gets. I’m going to try and see him again soon.
Definitely someone to keep an eye on.
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by wrightHOF on
Jul 12, 2008 10:09 PM EDT
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I dunno
I’d put John Jaso, Alex Cobb and Desmond Jennings in the ‘possibly’ range as well, and if so, back end for all three.
I can’t see Brignac dropping out of the top 100 entirely, unless he’s no longer eligible.
I’d say, assuming nothing varies much from the first half in the second half:
Price – top 5
Beckham, Hellickson – top 25
Davis – 30-50
Brignac – 50-70
Cobb – 80-out (doesn’t K a ton, but ERA around 2.5 in the SAL with heavy groundball tendencies)
On the outside : Jaso (but ends up top 50 in BP and Sickels – nearly a 1:2 K:BB ratio), McGee (injury), Jennings (injury), Barnese (BA doesn’t usually put short season pitchers up there unless they were top draft picks or foreign signees, even if their stuff matches up), Lobstein (stock dive hurts)
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by Brickhaus on
Jul 13, 2008 12:15 PM EDT
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Royals
Locks: Moustakas, Hosmer
Probable: Dan Cortes
Darkhorse: Carlos Rosa, Danny Duffy
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by koolkerns101 on Jul 12, 2008 3:03 PM EDT 0 recs
Eh...
You see them dropping Cortes from #55 (or whatever) to off the list with the season he’s having? I don’t. Rosa should be assuming he doesn’t exhaust his eligibility and Melville would be a sleeper if he signs.
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by doublestix on
Jul 12, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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Well, I’m hesitant to call anyone a “lock” at this point, but I think that is ultimately the case for Hosmer and Mous. Cortes has a VERY good shot at being on there, but I’m also hesitant to predict the backend of the their.
I agree on Melville. Almost listed him and Montgomery as darkhorses, but obviously didn’t.
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by koolkerns101 on
Jul 12, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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I forgot about Wood...
Maybe…he does need to step it up though in the second half. His strikeout numbers are really good, so the ERA should come down soon.
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by doublestix on
Jul 12, 2008 11:14 PM EDT
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Moustakas
I dont think Moustakas is a lock, he looks like a bust to me
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by Love Twins on
Jul 12, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
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good evaluation
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by wildthang on
Jul 12, 2008 9:30 PM EDT
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