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Controversial Prospect Update: Tyler Robertson

We begin our series of Controversial Prospect Updates with a look at Twins lefty Tyler Robertson, who is either one of the best southpaw prospects in A-ball, or just a guy with a weird delivery who will fail in Double-A and/or get hurt at some point.

First, the statistical breakdown.

Robertson is 4-2, 2.76 in 11 starts for Class A Fort Myers in the Florida State League, with a 58/22 K/BB ratio in 65.1 innings. He's allowed 63 hits. He has a1.79 GO/AO ratio and has given up just three homers. He's holding left-handed hitters to a mere .157 average, possibly due to that weird delivery in combination with his breaking stuff, but right-handers are hitting him at a .301 clip. The raw numbers are pretty similar to what he did last year in the Midwest League (2.29, 123/33 K/BB in 102 innings, 87 hits), although not quite as good. Some of that is the difference in competition, and at age 20 Robertson is age-appropriate for the FSL. Walk rate is not significantly different, but the strikeout rate is down and he's been more hittable, 1.30 WHIP vs. 1.17 last year. So statistically there is a bit of slippage but overall he's still pitching quite well.

Kiley McDaniel over at Saberscouting has an in-depth scouting report about Robertson that is a must read. McDaniel includes some video of Robertson's unusual delivery. Weird mechanics don't scare me as much as they do some people, as long as the guy repeats them well and his body is used to them. That seems to be the case with Robertson.

What does concern me is the loss of velocity: his fastball was anywhere from the mid-80s to the lower-90s last year, but has settled back into the 80s without touching the higher readings this season from what I've heard. That's a red flag, and combines with the mild-but-there ratio deterioration to make me worry that he may very well hit a wall in Double-A.

Of course, he's still just 20, and his numbers are still very good. If I were the Twins, I think I'd leave him at Fort Myers the rest of the year. Pushing him to Double-A seems quite risky to me at this point. I gave him a Grade B+ in the book this year, and in retrospect that does look too high. I am lowering him to Grade B for now. That could go down another notch depending on what happens in the second half.

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by bobbymcnally on Jun 9, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is quirky

about his delivery? Is it the little, somewhat of a pause with his from leg when it comes down? I guess I am having a little trouble finding what is different about it. Maybe I didn’t get the best view,

by ahope on Jun 9, 2008 6:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts

I just ranked him as my choice for #1 Twins prospect this week. I like the K/IP. He’s got a good ERA and a solid WHIP. Consider also that he is actually a year ahead of where the Twins intended for him to be. Also note that he had one start at the beginning of May in which he gave up 14 hits and one walk in 5 innings, that start affected his numbers as well.

He had a start skipped this week due to shoulder tendonitus. I have been told that it shoudln’t be more than one or two starts. I probably see him more as a solid #2 type of pitcher.

by SethSpeaks on Jun 9, 2008 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Velo

Lots of lefties with funky deliveries and low velocity do well in A ball, but struggle more and more against righties as they progress.

Jason Miller for example, is a guy who had a cup of coffee with the Twins and is now pitching in AA. He had comparable numbers to Robertson in A ball. As a 21 year old in Fort Myers, Miller was already a LOOGY, but he struck out 40 in 29 innings with a 0.92 WHIP and a 1.53 ERA. This was after a strikingly similar low A ball campaign as a 19 year old as Robertson had.

I don’t think Robertson will end up like Miller, but that is his floor. His ceiling is perhaps Cliff Lee. Considering that he has such a wide range of possible projections based on his fastball velocity, I wouldn’t give him any better than a B-. And I certainly would not rate him number 1 in the system. No offense Seth.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 10, 2008 9:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Funky?

I still don’t get the hubbub over Robertson’s mechanics. He’s a little stiff and lacks a little bit of athleticism/coordination which I think effects his velocity at times, but I don’t consider him funky or an injury risk. I think his functional strength is exceptional for a large framed kid and his timing is pretty solid.

If the stuff is there I don’t think he’s any more of a risk than your average minor league pitcher.

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by HuskerBob on Jun 10, 2008 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Where's the deception then?

If he tops out at 88 with an above average curve, I’m wondering how he gets so many hitters out.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 10, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

88 with run and a hammer

at A ball and you wonder how he’s getting hitters out? I wonder how he’s not getting more hitters out.

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by HuskerBob on Jun 10, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually....

88 is consistant with what he was throwing this time last year at the end of extended spring training. He didn’t start throwing 90 until he got to Beloit. He claims he’s always been slower to start a season and that he builds up his speed as he goes along. I don’t have his high school records, but I can vouch that his pitching speed is consistant with last season. As for his Mechanics, he’s cleaned them up quite a bit from when he first came in to the organization 2-year ago. Even Manship made the comment that he doesn’t see anything wrong with them last night.

Dianna
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by Dianna on Jun 12, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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