2005 Hypothetical SF Giants
This following roster for the 2005 San Francisco Giants assumes what the roster could've looked like if no players departed via free agency or trades. In order to qualify, players must have originally signed with San Francisco as an international signing or through the amateur draft.
Please note that this post is meant to generate discussion on each teams' ability to develop and/or sign homegrown talent. This team is fictional, and details like its economic feasability should be ignored.

Everyday lineup:
SS Royce Clayton
3B Bill Mueller
CF Chris Singleton
LF Pedro Feliz
1B Lance Niekro
RF Jacob Cruz
C Doug Mirabelli
2B Deivi Cruz
P Slot
Bench:
C Yorvit Torrealba
1B/OF Dan Ortmeier
OF Adam Hyzdu
OF Jason Ellison
OF Todd Linden
Rotation:
Russ Ortiz
Noah Lowry
Jerome Williams
Jesse Foppert
Francisco Liriano/Matt Cain
Bullpen:
LR Brad Hennessey
LR Kevin Correia
MR Scott Linebrink
MR David Aardsma
SU Bob Howry
SU Keith Foulke
CL Joe Nathan
Lineup: You know that occasional San Fran poster who incessantly complains on how his franchise hasn't developed any recent big-time offensive players and you think to yourself, "he's probably just exaggerating?" Taking a look at this absolutely punchless lineup should explain that guy's frustrations pretty quickly - aside From Feliz's decent homer potential and Mueller's steady production for a few years, you know you're screwed when your everyday 5 hitter is a platoon player (who will inevtiably convert to a pitcher) and your 3 hitter will play the last season as a marginal big league player. Deivi Cruz plays slightly out of position (mainly a SS, but he did play somewhat of a utility role through his career) because SF developed no second basemen that made any noise at the major league level. A combination of a series of tools bust draft picks and a non-existent international signing outfit until the mid-90s (Feliz signed in '94) seems to be the main culprits for this weak squad.
Bench: The offensive punch of this bench looks similar to that of the bottom half of the everyday lineup, which in this case is not a good thing. Little infield depth coupled with a bench full of fourth outfielders clogs the usefulness of this group.
Rotation: In 2005 this rotation would have probably provided average (at best) to slightly below average production as a unit. A very young rotation minus Ortiz; Liriano, Cain, and Lowry will all grow up to be good starters (control problems will make Lowry inconsistent, injuries will hamper Liriano's development), and Tim Lincecum will be drafted the following year in 2006. Boof Bonser and Brian Burres also sit ready to make their respective ML debuts in AAA Fresno.
Bullpen: The one strong point of this team. Many solid relievers that could be quality arms on most teams' bullpens had to be excluded (Mike Myers, Aaron Fultz, Clay Hensley, Mike Remlinger among others), and if this team ever somehow managed to hold a lead into the 7th inning, the trio of Howry, Foulke, and Nathan would not blow many leads. Linebrink and Aardsma provide a solid middle relief corps, and Hennessey/Correia anchor down the roles of swingmen to alleviate the workload of a young rotation.
This team's profile differs little to that of this year's pre-season Giants - most baseball pundits picked SF to be the NL's doormat based on a punchless offense even though the pitching staff is solid. While this team might develop one of the best rotations in baseball, how many wins do you think this 2005 version is capable of?
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That team really sucks
What is significant about 2005?
by Scott Proctor Fan Club on
Jun 27, 2008 12:50 AM EDT
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This is the second of a series of hypothetical rosters of what teams would look like if trades or free agency didn’t exist. The main point of this is to showcase each organization’s luck/skill in draft development and international signing. I thought 2005 was a good baseline year to start with because some veteran players that no longer are in the game coupled with one of the best draft classes preceding that year show a lot of hypothetical teams in a stark transitional phase.
by Grudyfan on
Jun 27, 2008 12:58 AM EDT
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Yikes
What an awful organization. There’s no excuse for that level of crapitude.
by aap212 on
Jun 27, 2008 2:18 AM EDT
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Cool concept
I like the idea of this post. It would be cool to see some more organization views like the A’s and maybe even the Royals. I’d be cool to see what the Royals would look like if they never traded away all of their budding stars.
by tmt85 on
Jun 27, 2008 3:52 AM EDT
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Expos/Nationals
think of everyone they traded away.
I like the whole thing too. Pretty interesting. A’s would be a cool one, as would the Red Sox and Yankees (just to see what their teams would look like if they didn’t get some many players via free agency). Thanks for posting these, and keep them coming as long as you feel like doing them.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
by Boxkutter on
Jun 27, 2008 5:01 AM EDT
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Speaking of the expos/nationals...
Their hypothetical roster will be posted later today
by Grudyfan on
Jun 27, 2008 12:15 PM EDT
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Hypothetical WS
Well, right now I’d say the ‘05 Mariners beat the ‘05 Giants for sure
Remarkably, AROD alone has more career home runs than your Giants’ starting lineup combined
= 532 Arods career big flies
110 + 85 + 117 + 45 + 70 + 19 + 17 + 58 = 521 ‘05 hpy. SF career round trippers
Go Jays
by providence bruins on
Jun 27, 2008 11:57 AM EDT
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The Mariner one will likely be tough to beat
Especially since RJ should be included.
by Fett42 on
Jun 27, 2008 12:51 PM EDT
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I want to see
what the Cubs would look like.
by Cainer on
Jun 27, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
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Awesome, thanks for putting this together. I am one of those Giants fans who complains about the lack of positional players ever coming through the system. These are great, I hope you keep doing them.
The careers of Foppert, Williams, and Ainsworth are a shame too.
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on
Jun 27, 2008 4:06 PM EDT
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Wow, that's just brutal
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on
Jun 27, 2008 6:52 PM EDT
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