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Prospect Retro: Mike Fontenot

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I decided to do Mike Fontenot as a prospect retro at the same time as Ryan Theriot...they have always been paired together in my mind, probably since they were both LSU infielders who took some time to adjust to pro ball.

Fontenot was drafted in the first round of the 2001 draft by the Orioles, out of Louisiana State University, where Ryan Theriot was his double play mate up the middle. Considered a solid all-around player with above average offensive potential and a decent glove, he signed late and didn't play that summer. I gave him a Grade B in the 2002 book based on his college work.

The Orioles sent Fontenot to Frederick in the Carolina League in '02. He hit .263/.333/.364, which was considered disappointing...not much power, mediocre plate discipline, 117 strikeouts in 481 at-bats. His swing got mechanical and he had trouble with the strike zone. Even his defense took a step backward according to the scouting reports I have from back then. I rated him a Grade C in the '03 book.

Fontenot moved up to Double-A in 2003 and improved across the board, hitting .325/.399/.481 with 12 homers and 16 steals. He cut his strikeout rate, raised his walks, showed the smooth swing he demonstrated in college, and tightened up his defense. He also looked more comfortable in general...in '02 he looked overmatched mentally at times...but in '03 he seeemd to grow into his game a little more. I moved him  back up to a Grade B for 2004.

2004 was another year of adjustment: he hit .279/.346/.420 with 8 homers, 10 triples, adn 14 steals for Triple-A Ottawa. His plate discipline slipped again, and overall his performance was about midway between 2002 and 2003. Scouts said that he became too power-conscious and crossed up his swing again against Triple-A pitching. The Orioles shipped him to the Cubs as part of the Sammy Sosa deal in February '05, reuniting Fontenot with Theriot.

Fontenot spent 2005 with Triple-A Iowa, hitting .272/.377/.430, though with better strike zone judgment. He returned to Iowa in 2006, hitting .295/.374/.449. I saw him play both seasons for the I-Cubs, and he was interesting to watch..at times he looked like a very skilled major league hitter, with gap to gap power and a mature approach, but at other times he would swing from the heels and get himself out.

2007 was a make/break season for him...age 27, with three mediocre Triple-A seasons under his belt. If he was ever going to breakthrough, it would be then. He ended up playing great in Triple-A (.336/.384/.540 in 55 games), and doing enough in major league action (.278/.336/.402) to stay in the picture as a roster option. He hasn't played as well this year, being used as a pinch-hitter and platoon guy. In his major league career overall, Fontenot is hitting .268/.343/.399 in 321 at-bats.

Based on the totality of his minor league record, I think that's about what we can expect from him. He should have a long career as a bench guy and platoon partner, but he won't be the star scouts expected him to be coming out of college. As for why that is, the most common thing I hear is "inconsistent approach," still trying to hit for power too often, with the result of short-circuiting his production. I would be interested in the observations of Cubs fans who have seen him more frequently recently than I have. Maybe he needs to take up yoga or zen or Jedism something..."trying too hard" to get what you want often results in the exact opposite result. Letting for Force flow seems to work better, at least in my experience.

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Can't wait

For equally exciting prospect retros on Mike DiFelice, Brandon Fahey, Chris Gomez, Augie Ojeda, Eric Bruntlett, Gary Bennett, and Mike Rabelo.

by gogotabata on Jun 21, 2008 6:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Some of us enjoy these....

more than talking about the same 10 prospects over and over again. But if you want to do that, be our guest. But those of us who don’t talk about them ad naseum don’t go into those threads complaining about them, so we would appreciate it if you did not go onto these ones and complain. It’s John’s site and he can review any player he likes. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to come here. Most of us would prefer that to the people with a superiority complex who have to complain about John writes on his own site.

And John, sorry about this. But I get tired of seeing these people come to your free site and tear down your work. Complaining about who you review and then stating that your opinions are wrong and theirs are right when it comes to prospects.

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Jun 21, 2008 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Judging from his name, he’d no doubt rather have John talk about one of the Yankees overhyped and overrated prospects.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell08 on Jun 21, 2008 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hold on a minute there Buster Brown

How do you know I WASN’T being sarcastic? I freaking love me some hardcore Mike Fontenot analysis, as does everyone else, I think, which is evident by the zero comments posted concerning the retro itself (other than mine)—everyone else was left breathless. I’m just thankful I could find the words to express my enthusiasm.

I’m not saying John’s opinion is wrong. I’m just saying it’s a really, really fascinating topic, and thought I’d jump into the enthusiastic mêlée of discussion and banter that Fontenot, predictably, had inspired.

Also, thanks for the update that it is a free site! And that it is also run by the guy who runs it! Free ice cream for everyone!

by gogotabata on Jun 22, 2008 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fontenot-mania!

See, thing is, Mike Fontenot was indeed hyped coming out of college, and if he’s now an unexciting player, that’s actually an intriguing lesson for prospect prospectors like us. Sometimes you end up with Chase Utley, and sometimes you end up with Mike Fontenot. Why does that happen? It could be that spending some time analyzing the Mike Fontenots of the world leads to valuable information.

by FlipYrWhig on Jun 22, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

count me in with gogo

I love this site, I come here every single day and read all the posts and the topics that john chooses but i agree completely that 95% of the people reading the site can care less about mike fontenot. Most of the people who read these sites do so for fantasy baseball purposes or to prospect on buying rookie cards or whatever.

Pretty sure john does some of these just to show everyone that not all first round draft picks pan out. In fact, most of them don’t. But I agree with gogo in that there are probably better choices of prospect retro’s or just use of John’s time in general than Mike Fontenot. Pretty sure thats all he was getting at…..

by loop on Jun 22, 2008 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fontenot 2001

95% of the people reading the site can care less about mike fontenot. Most of the people who read these sites do so for fantasy baseball purposes or to prospect on buying rookie cards or whatever.

In 2001, as a fantasy baseball player or card collector, you would have been all excited about Mike Fontenot. That’s why looking back at a hyped player who became kinda boring is a useful exercise, not a useless one.

If seven years from now Buster Posey is a backup catcher somewhere, will talking about him be a waste of time?

by FlipYrWhig on Jun 22, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fontenot

I pick players for Prospect Retros trying to learn something. In the case of Fontenot, as some have pointed out he was considered a sure-fire regular and possible star coming out of college. Instead he’s just mediocre. Why is that? What can we learn from this? That’s why I picked Fontenot.

by John Sickels on Jun 22, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Still.

I would rather have him playing SS for the Orioles right now then the collection of trash weve got now. (Bynum, Hernandez, Fahey, Cintron). Stupid Sosa…

(lets not even mention the John Maine toss in that they shoulda learned from)

by ADLC on Jun 22, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of his almost 700 games as a pro

in just 30 has he played SS and he wasn’t even a college SS. Plus he isn’t considered a super defensive 2b, just a solid one.

Hes not someone you want starting at SS

by nms on Jun 23, 2008 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

Did you see the list of players they have thrown out at SS? Ain’t exactly defensive studs

by ADLC on Jun 24, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I really can’t trust a baseball fan that doesn’t care, to at least some extent, about the mostly irrelevant players. I think the no-ones, has-beens, never-will-bes, coulda-beens and journeymen are one of the most interesting things about the vast universe of pro ball and they have been the source of many great tales throughout baseball history.
These “anonymous” players all have back-stories. Sometimes there will be two identical middle relievers or utility IFs and one will be a first rounder out of some SoCal HS or FSU or something and the other will be a 34th rounder out of Bethel Christian College.
That is interesting to me, the diverse paths players can take to the bigs (or the paths that lead to Not The Bigs)

Stars are great, but most players are much worse and those players make up most of the game.

by nms on Jun 23, 2008 1:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heck yeah!

One of my favorite players when I was younger was Brook Jacoby.

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Jun 23, 2008 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Physically

Fontenot is all of a buck 50 and maybe 5’9. Anyone that ever projected Fontenot to be a star in the majors doesn’t know much about the history of players his size. He has to absolutely center the ball to drive it with any authority.

Baseball Instructor - www.frozenropes.com

by HuskerBob on Jun 23, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

poor mans Todd Walker

As a cubs fan he reminds me so much of a less powerful Todd Walker. Both had C- defense at 2nd. Both guys have remarkably similar swings. Todd Walker just seemed to have a little bit more consistent power. Fontenot has some juice in his swing. I have seen him hit a 400 footer before. Just not on any consistent basis.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Jun 25, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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