Giants sign 16 year old OF Rafael Rodriguez (2.5 M)
According to ESPN, the Giants have agreed to terms with 16-year old Dominican outfielder Rafael Rodriguez.
ESPN Comment:
Comment: To many, he is a duplicate of Vladimir Guerrero because of his size and power with the bat. Rodriguez can work the entire outfield and drive the ball anywhere. He has reportedly accepted an offer from the San Francisco Giants worth $2.5 million.
Couple this with Keith Law's comment,
Kenny (Sacramento): After the last 2 drafts, which appeared to be solid, where would you rank the Giants farm system?
Keith Law: Assuming they get these guys signed, which I assume they will, they're probably top five.
It seems amazing to me that the Giants, which had a very weak farm system just a few years ago, have brought their system back up this quickly.
Does anybody know anything more about Rafael Rodriguez?
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rodriguez
i thought 16 year olds couldn’t sign until july 2nd
by fewgoodcards on Jun 12, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oral Agreement
They can’t sign yet, but they can make an oral agreement. Which means that it is not final until July 2.
by supermets on Jun 12, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oral agreement
then the title shouldn’t say sign
by fewgoodcards on Jun 12, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's more like a verbal commit to a college in recruiting...
Until they actually put the pen on the paper, things could still change. But they’re not likely to.
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by PaulThomas on Jun 12, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can't screw up this promising future ... can they?
I mean, even Sabean can’t mess this up, can he? Heck, Sabean doesn’t even have to dump his vets if he wants. He’s got some intrigue in the system now. I’m not a big Sabean fan, but he looks committed to rebuilding, and if they let it play out, by 2010, Lincecum and Cain could be leading a young, promising team that could be poised to break through in 2011. I think 09 is still going to be rebuilding for them, as none of the draftees this year, along with Villalona and guys from last year, in all likelihood, are going to be ready. But you could see some guys moving up by 2010.
The next step is to sign down Lincecum long term.
Btw, I would still try dumping some chips at the deadline. Won’t get much in return, but I’d still try moving the Ray Durhams, Dave Roberts, Randy Winns of the world, if only to see what some of the upper level guys do. I know a lot of folks like Schierholtz. I’m not a that intrigued, but he would be more interesting than the current guys out there. Let Schierholtz and Bowker play the corners to Rowand’s CF.
by toonsterwu on Jun 12, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why long term?
They already have him for four more years? I wouldn’t be rushing to sign a pitcher long term when you already hold his rights for a lengthy period. I would be more concerned with locking Cain up then Lincecum.
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by King Billy Royal on Jun 12, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain is
Locked up through 2011 I believe. 2011 may be an option year, though.
I wouldn’t sign Lincecum now, but I would consider it at some point in 2009 if he is continuing his excellence. Helps contain costs. Don’t knwo who his agent is, though.
by toonsterwu on Jun 12, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you beat me to it
I don’t know who his agent is either. But Lincecum did mention before this season that he would be open to signing an extension after the season had ended.
by Cainer on Jun 12, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Timmy
He’ll be a “Super 2”, so they’ll need to try and get him locked in through his arbitration years after this season is over.
Tim Lincecum is Baseball's Chuck Norris
by Azantor on Jun 13, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will be a Super 2 but only after two full seasons. 2008 will still be his first season.
by Cainer on Jun 13, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A year ago
I believe the Giants should have locked Tim up for a decade a year or more ago when they might actually have had a chance to do so at a comparatively reasonable price. I’m not second-guessing. I said so on multiple occasions at the time.
by sharksrog on Jun 17, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever considered
that Lincecum has a high enough opinion of himself and his abilities NOT to sign until he showed what he can do, which he is doing this season in spades.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 17, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or that...
signing any young pitcher to a contract that long, let alone someone with Lincecum’s injury risk, would be RE-TARD-ED.
by DrunkIrish on Jun 17, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain is locked up
through 2011.
The Giants will most definitely lock up Lincecum before next season begins. Even though the team will have control of him for another 5 years locking him up provides cost certainty.
by Cainer on Jun 12, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
their best prospects are 3-4 years away
I don’t think Lincecum will ever pitch for a winning Giants team before his arbitration runs out.
by Galt on Jun 12, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think
if things break right, they could be a .500ish team in 2010, with a slim playoff push chance in 2011.
Of course, things hardly ever break perfectly, so if they can sign him now and buy out a year or 2 of FA, things could meet at a nice point a few years down the road.
by toonsterwu on Jun 12, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free agency
Tim won’t be eligible for free agency until after the 2013 season. I think 2012 is the season it becomes reasonable for the Giants to be VERY good.
Giants fans hated me before last season when I said they didn’t have enough hitting to contend and likely wouldn’t be much better in 2008 or 2009 either, but I think 2012 is starting to look pretty good to them—and it is indeed possible the Giants could compete at least a little prior to that.
by sharksrog on Jun 17, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Pablo Sandoval
Didn’t want to create a new thread for this, so was wondering if anyone had some thoughts on what happens with Sandoval. He’s just raking, and last I heard, his defense had gotten better. I’m just wondering that if Sandoval continues raking and his defense improves, what they end up doing if Posey develops. It’s a nice issue to have.
by toonsterwu on Jun 12, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sandoval will soon be moved up to AAA Fresno. His catching has improved, but still needs work. What he needs to work on most is his plate discipline.
Posey will probably start in A+ San Jose next season.
by Cainer on Jun 12, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sandoval
MiLB lists Sandoval at 5’11”, 245, and at 22, that’s kinda big. Chances are, he’ll “outgrow” the position, and need to be moved to 1B, which will eventually be blocked by Big V. However, he’s not the worst insurance policy in case Posey doesn’t grow up to be what everyone thinks he will.
Tim Lincecum is Baseball's Chuck Norris
by Azantor on Jun 13, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see
I think Pablo Sandoval can become a decent big leaguer. I’m also thinking that it might be nice to try to extend Buster Hosey’s career by giving him playing time at other positions. With Sandoval also having experience at the corners and with Pablo’s being a switch hitter, I can see both players being in the lineup on numberous occasions.
Posey seems the better candidate to play other positions, as he his a former shortstop who has indeed played all nine positions, although he isn’t comfortable with all of them yet. The Giants look to be pretty good at the corners with Angel Villalona at first base and Conor Gillaspie at third. Apparently Angel is still taking grounders at the hot corner,so if he doesn’t get TOO huge, he also might add versatility.
Of course, Angel is still a long way from the majors and wouldn’t seem to have improved his stock so far this season. But he’s still just 17.
But assuming Manny Burriss can become a major league shortstop (and I’m more optimistic than I was over the winter), the Giants have the potential for Posey and Sandoval behind the plate, Villalona at first, Nick Noonan and Kevin Frandsen at second, Burriss and Charlie Culberson (whose hits finally exceeded his errors about two weeks ago) at short, Gillaspie at third and Wendell Fairley, Freddie Lewis, Nate Schierholtz, John Bowker and Roger Kriesnick in the outfield.
Their fourth pick, the shortstop Crawford, who is a Bay Arean, would also seem to provide depth at what now appears to be the Giants’ weakest position among prospects (replacing third base, which became the weak link once Villalona moved to first).
Given that the Giants’ strength is their young pitching, I’m really looking forward to 2012. Especially with the Giants very likely to have another high draft choice in 2009.
Incidentally, Sandoval is about the same size as Bengie Molina, although Bengie may be the bigger of the two. I saw Bengie in shorts during spring training, and he is just MASSIVE.
by sharksrog on Jun 17, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Posey stays at C
He’s suppose to have gold glove defense there already, I don’t think Sandoval will ever reach that, and you know how much Sabean loves defense, particularly behind the plate.
Also, BA thinks so much of Sandoval that he’s not among their Top 30 and the other prospect book I refers to says that he’s a future 1B/3B platoon player, at best.
I think they are thinking of Sandoval as a uber-utility guy who can play 1B, 3B, and C in a pinch. Plus, he’s only 21, so perhaps he can develop further.
If he makes a quantum leap at some point defensively, I can see maybe moving Posey, but I would think the Giants would still put Sandoval at a corner ifnfield position instead of wasting Posey at another position, it’s not often you find gold glove defense tied with good offense at C.
I think if we can add another hitter, whether via free agency or internally, for the 2009 season, we can return to .500 that season and start to be truly competitive in 2010, because Alderson, Bumgarner, maybe Villalona, and perhaps Noonan and/or Sosa, with Posey as an outside shot, should be coming up to the majors that season.
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"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 17, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Behind the plate
I have read that Pablo’s throwing (which I guess wouldn’t matter at first base, although his bat will likely be a bit light there) is best behind the plate. In fact, I think he has thrown out a fairly high percentage of opposing base stealers. The one recent game Iooked, he nailed two out of four. (Man, they must really like to run in the Cal League!)
So I’m seeing Pablo as a guy who might get in 60 or so games behind the plate, with Posey perhaps catching 100 and playing another 40 or so at other positions. I guess it will depend on how they develop, with Buster presumably being close to a sure thing while Pablo has a lower ceiling and a lower probability of reaching that ceiling.
I guess it will be GREAT if the Giants actually have to guys who can catch for them. They haven’t had that since they traded Yorvit Torrealba. Pablo’s being a switch hitter is an added benefit, since precious few catchers bat from the left side. And Pablo’s OPS is nearly twice as high from the left side this season, meaning he could play a lot of games against right-handed pitchers.
By the way, the Giants had an outstanding opportunity to put a very effective and complementary platoon behind the plate after Benito Santiago left. Switch-hitting Gregg Zaun - a good-hit, no-field catcher - would have made an outstanding platoon partner for good-field, questionable-hit Torrealba. Instead Brian Sabean decided to trade for A.J. Pierzynski, seemingly placing FAR too much emphasis on Joe Nathan’s poor post-season in 2003 and ignoring that for most of the regular season, he was as lights-out as he would become as the Twins’ closer.
Over the years the Giants could have had players such as Zaun, Randy Winn after the 2001 season, right as he was to become a 2002 All-Star, Russell Branyan as a cheap platoon partner for overworked Pedro Feliz in 2006—and Placido Polanco and Carlos Guillen, both of whom the Tigers picked up for peanuts.
That sounds a lot like 20/20 hindsight now, but all five of those moves were recommended on one Giants board (not the McCovey Chronicles or your own fine site).
Brian Sabean seems to be redeeming himself with his prospect acquisitions of the past two years and two weeks, but at the major-league level instead of the guys above he picked up players such as Shinjo, Neifi Perez, Pierzynski, Edgardo Alfonzo and ultimately Omar Vizquel.
It wasn’t that Brian didn’t have the right idea in picking up veterans to surround Barry Bonds. He merely made some poor choices in whom he picked up.
Some will say that building around Barry superceded Brian’s rebuilding a Giants farm system that had needed to be rebuilt for nearly two decades before the work began in 2006. But isn’t that somewhat like saying you can’t walk and chew gum at the same time?
by sharksrog on Jun 19, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his may line wasn't that bad
.321/.385/.431
Cainer – do you really think they are jumping Sandoval over Connecticut? I’d be somewhat surprised by that.
by toonsterwu on Jun 12, 2008 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they don't send their top prospects to DoubleA
Lots of politics going on… I’m pretty sure they’re going to move the affiliate else where. Giants and Connecticut are having major stadium issues. The park is beyond a pitchers park(just check the home/road splits for the players), for top prospects it’s basically SJ to fresno.
by superk1ng on Jun 13, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodd Stadium
I live in CT and go to a lot of Defenders games. Dodd Stadium is an average-sized park and the weather is usually pretty mild in the summer. The stats say its a tough park to hit in because the Giants haven’t had many good hitters in their system. A good hitter shouldn’t have any problem hitting in Dodd Stadium.
by SBcaptain2 on Jun 13, 2008 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I've never been there
but there have been a couple diaries on it at Mccoveychronicles
http://www.norwichbulletin.com/sports/x194405749/Joe-Perez-Defenders-affiliation-has-been-a-Giant-pain
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/5/27/540196/joe-perez-wants-the-giants
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/5/27/540205/joe-perez-s-article-on-gia
Sounds like a divorce is imminent.
by superk1ng on Jun 13, 2008 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the stats say Dodd's a pitcher's park because it is a pitcher's park
Check out the home/road splits again. It’s not about being good or bad, it’s the magnitude of the effect. Look at the pitchers, not the hitters. The pitchers face the whole rest of the Eastern League, hitters good, bad and indifferent, both at home and on the road.
Et voila: http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/tm.cgi?tm=ConEL&rs=s&bp=p
OPS against is 130 points higher on the road. Dodd is a stadium that turns the entire Eastern League from decent hitters (766 OPS against Defenders pitching on the road) into punchless hackers (638 OPS against at Dodd).
I don’t think it’s necessarily bad to have a pitcher’s park like that in your system, but to pretend it ain’t what it is smacks of self-delusion.
by wcw on Jun 13, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SLG and ISO
The difference is even more marked if you look at the SLG and ISO differences, plus HR-rate too.
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"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 17, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm interesting
didn’t know that. thanks for sharing. I’d be curious how the park played back in it’s days as a Yankees farm stop (in reference to sbcaptain’s post).
by toonsterwu on Jun 13, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Alfonso Soriano and Marcus Thames both had big years in Dodd Stadium when the Navigators/Defenders were affiliated with the Yanks. The Giants have had some guys hit well there too though. John Bowker and Eugenio Velez both had tremendous seasons with the Defenders last year. This year, Travis Ishikawa has a much higher average on the road, but 5 of his 8 homers are at home. Eddy Martinez-Esteve has much better numbers across the board on the road, but Kyle Haines and Olmo Rosario have pretty neutral home/road splits. Antoan Richardson and Simon Klink have been equally terrible at home and on the road.
The Giants want the Defenders to move the fences in. Here are Dodd’s current dimensions:
LF: 329 FT
CF: 401 FT
RF: 309 FT
How small do the Giants what the park to be? Do they want it to resemble a little league field? Its true the Dodd Stadium depresses offensive numbers, but its not as bad as its reputation.
by SBcaptain2 on Jun 13, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see above
..or look at the long-term park factor: http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/2007_minor_league_park_multipliers/
Dodd is the 4th-most extreme park for depressing runs in all the minor league.
The numbers would indicate that it is exactly as bad as its reputation.
by wcw on Jun 13, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marcus Thames
Marcus Thames’ last seven hits have all been homers. Isn’t that approaching a record?
by sharksrog on Jun 17, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been documenting this for over two years now on my blog
Dodd depresses the power number for almost all hitters except for the punch and judy hitters. Significantly. Homer and doubles are depressed, leading to much lower SLG and ISO, and as a result, OPS.
The splits aren’t available right now, but Bowker’s number looked ordinary at Dodd (I recall mid to high .700 OPS) whereas on the road, I think his OPS was near 1.000. Heck, here’s the data from my blog:
2007: .309/.364/.529/.893, 22 HR in 518 AB, 24 AB/HR
Home: .271/.330/.422/.752, 6 HR in 251 AB, 42 AB/HR
Road: .345/.397/.629/1.027, 16 HR in 267 AB, 17 AB/HR
This was basically Ishikawa’s numbers in 2006, except minus 200 OPS points on each, but it was typical for hitter’s AB/HR rate to double at home or more vs. the road. In 2006, everyone with 5 homers or more were affected by the home disadvantage.
For an example of what happens to players in an extreme situation like this, look at the pitchers for the Rockies, how messed up they get pitching up there until they brought in the humidor. The hitters have got to be messed up trying to hit there, taking an unnecessary hit to their ego and confidence due to their home park.
I’ll be dancing in the streets the day we end our association with that team.
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"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 17, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Log jam
While Pablo Sandoval is a far greater prospect than either Guillermo Rodriguez or Eliezer Alfonzo, Rodriguez already catches for Fresno and Alfonzo is expected to be assigned there after completing a rehab assignment (from a steroid suspension). I suppose Fresno could carry three catchers, although that would seem unlikely. Maybe with Sandoval able to play the corners or DH it would be more plausible. Or Rodriguez could be sent to Connecticut.
by sharksrog on Jun 17, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I heard in an interview with Bobby Evans, the Giants Director of Player Personnel. Pablo Sandoval, Travis Ishikawa and Eddy Martinez-Esteve are expected to be promoted to AAA soon.
by Cainer on Jun 13, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rafael Rodriguez
Giants scouting director John Barr said he has the financial backing from ownership to be aggressive in signing international free agents, but he denied a report that the Giants have agreed to a $2.5 million bonus to sign Dominican teenage outfielder Rafael Rodriguez.Barr said he has not reached deals in principle with any international free agents, though he confirmed that Rodriguez has worked out at the Giants’ Dominican complex and the club has interest. The international signing period begins July 2.
“We intend to play by the rules,” Barr said.
Rodriguez reportedly has drawn comparisons to Vladimir Guerrero because of his combination of size, athleticism and power potential. Barr said Rodriguez couldn’t sign until July 13, when he turns 16.
Whether it’s Rodriguez or other international free agents, Barr said he has the bankroll to compete for the top talent.
“We are going to exhaust all avenues to get the best players for this organization,” Barr said.
by Cainer on Jun 13, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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