Revere vs. Bourjos
by flipgatey3 on May 29, 2008 2:50 AM EDT
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I'm in a ten-team keeper league with eight spots for minor leaguers.
Seven spots are filled with Trevor Cahill, Andrew McCutchen, Jake McGee, Tommy Hanson, Todd Frazier, Michael Burgess and Chris Davis.
I want to get another speedy outfielder. Currently my eighth spot is Jordan Schafer, but I am probably trading him sometime this week. McCutchen is going to fetch a guy I can use this season in my rotation, so I am trying to replace his speed (also due to the fact that I traded Ellsbury and Cueto for Matt Holliday last week...going for it all).
Who is the better option, Ben Revere or Peter Bourjos? Or, if you have a better idea than those two, list it please.
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Greg Halman
Also, I’d drop Tommy Hanson
by sully10x on May 29, 2008 3:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Drop Hanson?
Why would you drop Hanson? He came into the year highly rated and has done very well this year. Don’t be decieved by his AA stats. He had one atrocious outing. His other two outings combing four 11.1 inn 11 hits 4er 6bb 9k’s. Granted that is not great but it is not bad. I would say it is a little early to be giving up on him.
by tt68 on May 29, 2008 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t be deceived by his A+ stats.
He was old for the league, is a fly ball pitcher, and I don’t expect much success from him in the future.
by sully10x on May 29, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:D
You really do like this kid don’t you sully? I can’t imagine giving someone advice to drop a pitcher with the value Hanson might have for a guy the majority of his league has never heard of. That just doesn’t seem like a smart fantasy baseball move to make unless it’s just a really deep league. I mean there has to be someone with more value in a 10 team keeper league with only 8 spots then Halman. If nothing else, add Hanson to McCutchen in a deal and then pick someone else up but Halman isn’t a top 80 prospect in my book (if I had one). I’m not sure he would be in the top 150 yet but I obviously don’t like him as much as you do.
by jfish26101 on May 29, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said he wanted an OF with speed. And I gave him what I feel is the best option to this point.
I don’t like Hanson that much long-term. I see him as a 3 at best.
Number 3 upside vs. 30/30 upside…
...seems like an obvious choice to me
Don’t go by hype.
by sully10x on May 29, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
???
Don’t go by hype? Who is going by hype? Just because we aren’t pushing some guy most of this community probably hasn’t heard of let alone his league we are going off hype? :p
Seriously though a #3 average starter is pretty valuable, you are acting like he has no value. A players value in a fantasy league isn’t necessarily what YOU perceive it to be but what OTHERS do. You may not want to go off of hype but I guarantee he could get someone pretty decent with Hanson as a trading chip opposed to Halman. There are a lot of players with 30/30 potential but never come close.
Maybe you are right that a potential 30/30 player is more valuable in a fantasy league but that is why I don’t like fantasy leagues. I wouldn’t suggest this move though, with only 80 minor league players rostered there has to be a better option. It just doesn’t make sense to drop a player with a higher perceived value to pick someone up because you want a speedy OF. If he wants Halman or some other speedy OF, fine but you should really try and make a move before just dropping someone like Hanson.
by jfish26101 on May 29, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your opinion is your opinion, I was giving mine.
I’m a Brave fan, I just believe Hanson is overrated. He isn’t or wasn’t last year a top 80 prospect either.
by sully10x on May 29, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be deceived by one bad start at AA...
Also don’t think flyball pitchers can’t pitch well in the majors…John Lackey and Chris Young do just fine. He has given up 1 homerun this year and pitched very well tonight. He is the same age as Jacob McGee and younger than Wade Davis…both at the same level as him. He will most likely be a top 30 prospect heading into next year.
by tt68 on May 29, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Halman
Too many K’s and not enough walks will likely keep him from being a regular. How is Revere’s defense? I ask because Bourjos is supposed to be a gold glove quality centerfielder—add that to his basestealing abilities and the hitting he’s shown this year, and he looks like a guy who gives a manager multiple reasons to put him in the lineup every day.
by gogotabata on May 29, 2008 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Halman is a Chris Young type player. He’s a regular, isn’t he? Wouldnt you like him on your fantasy team?
by sully10x on May 29, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halman has 2 more walks than Bourjos.
And 30+ more strikeouts (doubling Bourjos). It’s the combination of high k/low walks that concerns me. Bourjos could stand to walk more, totally, but he’s also been a higher average type of hitter, and one that strikes out a lot less. To me, it’s more likely to see plate discipline develop within that skill set than to see a big toolsy guy both cut down on k’s and suddenly start to develop plate discipline.
It can happen, and I know your big boner for Halman is telling you that it will happen, but I have some skepticism. But, I’m also a huge Mariners fan and would love to see another toolsy OF emerge alongside Saunders.
by gogotabata on May 30, 2008 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t expect Halman to improve his plate discipline much. Again, that is where my Chris Young comp comes in. And I don’t have a “boner” for Halman, I just think he is going to be good when other people don’t, and this thread was about a guy looking to add a Speedy OF, and i gave my 2 cents.
by sully10x on May 30, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to sully
halman could be promising one day, but for now i’ll pass on the .182/.234/.273 line and the 68% steal success rate so far in A-...no one’s gonna pick him up in the next year in my league, i’m pretty sure.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on May 29, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You do realize he was in Low-A to start last year, demoted to SS, where he MASHED.
Makes the big leap to A+ this year, where he is young for the league, and he is mashing there.
by sully10x on May 29, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also, I would question your comment about no one picking him up.
He’s been improving a ton, and his OPS is about .900 now. Just because you think people don’t know about him, doesn’t mean they don’t.
I’m finding it very surpising how it appears I’m the only one in the prospect world that likes this guy.
by sully10x on May 29, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn’t like I dislike him I just don’t think it’s the right more for now. It isn’t like you found someone NOBODY knew about. BA had him 13 in the M’s system which was ranked 11th in baseball and McKamey gave him a 9E which is a 10% chance of reaching his potential of 30/30. Again I just think Hanson has to much value to make the move you suggested in a league where only 80 players are kept. I’m not saying he wont be more valuable in a fantasy league then someone like Hanson but I wouldn’t just drop him. If he has an open roster spot, I have no problem with him taking a chance on Halman.
by jfish26101 on May 29, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was supposed to be…
"the right move for now"Having problems with coherent thoughts today.
by jfish26101 on May 29, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one in my league
has a clue who he is, i promise.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on May 29, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yes i do realize that
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on May 29, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why look at his 68% steal rate from early last year, when you can look at his 100% steal-rate, .300 isoP from this year.
by sully10x on May 29, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as for hanson...
he’s still striking out nine guys per nine innings in AA. it appears like he’s just struggling with walks. he’ll be fine.
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on May 29, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
for reference
here are the players currently owned, by team (mine are in the writeup). if there are some glaring omissions of players who you feel should be owned, list them…i guess the list so far looks like this
1) greg halman
players who are called up and qualify for ROY are allowed to be kept in minors for remainder of season, but the next season they must be brought up. if a player (i.e. clay buchholz) doesn’t qualify for ROY, he can be placed in the minors again.
-beau mills, daric barton, evan longoria, austin jackson, gio gonzalez, radhames liz, chris perez
-mike moustakas, colby rasmus, fernando martinez, justin masterson, kevin mulvey, nick adenhart, tyler robertson, will inman
-chase headley, ian stewart, elvis andrus, delwyn young, tyler colvin, david price, jeff niemann, scott elbert
-jeff clement, andy laroche, carlos gonzalez, matt laporta, greg reynolds, brett anderson, max scherzer, michael bowden
-j.r. towles (weird rule that allows this), lars anderson, matt antonelli, jed lowrie, wlad balentien, adam miller, homer bailey, antonio bastardo
-matt wieters, max ramirez, desmond jennings, jordan walden, manny parra, joba chamberlain, sean doolittle, wade davis
-taylor teagarden, brandon wood, dexter fowler, clayton kershaw, cole rohrbough, jake arrieta, jeremy hellickson, jarrod parker
-mat gamel, reid brignac, jason heyward, jose tabata, travis snider, henry rodriguez, ross detwiler, chris tillman
-carlos triunfel, angel villalona, cameron maybin, chris marrero, chris volstad, jaime garcia, madison bumgarner, philippe aumont
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on May 29, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Halman goes yard in his first AB tonight.
by sully10x on May 29, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
find a picture of him
and use it as your avatar. you gotta
"It's not my fault your team's so shitty." -Steve Friend, head coach, Chabot College, to Laney College's head coach, who asked why we scored so many runs after we beat Laney 30-3 in 2006
by flipgatey3 on May 30, 2008 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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