Today's Draft Discussion Question
by John Sickels on May 21, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
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We've discussed the pair of Arizona State outfielders, Ike Davis and Brett Wallace, before. I keep going back and forth on them. The most recent stats:
Wallace: .409/.525/.764, 41 walks, 30 strikeouts in 203 at-bats, 14 steals in 18 attempts, 19 homers, 11 doubles.
Davis: .400/.472/.806, 26 walks, 27 strikeouts in 170 bats, 5 steals in 6 attempts, 15 homers, 24 doubles.
It's really close, statistically. Wallace has a higher walk rate, but although he's hit more homers Davis has a higher SLG due to a greater number of doubles. Does that cancel out Wallace's advantage in homers?
Wallace has been OK at third base, although i still think he's more of a 1B type in the majors. Davis has been playing first but has a strong arm and I think he runs well enough to handle a corner outfield spot.
I've seen them on TV enough to be impressed with both of them. I am interested in what people who have seen them both in person more than I have think.
The question: If you were in the world series and you needed one of these guys hitting in the lineup for you, today, in Game Seven, as the DH, regardless of position, who would you pick?
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Wallace
He has the better chance of scoring runs, driving in runs and striking out less. He can also steal a base in a crucial situation.
From a broader perspective, it’s really close and personally I like Wallace better, but I know people who would lean in favor of Davis.
Ike Davis and Bret Wallace
I saw both of them play in the CWS last year. Do not have too much of a sample for these guys. Davis hit a mistake pitch into Mars which, for me, is always a sign of a good hitter.
Wallace, I remember, appearred to be the better prospect. A very nice LH bat and I think you are right to say he is going to be a 1B.
Ike Davis, btw, is the son of former RP with the Yanks and Twins Ron Davis.
"our deepest fears are not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fears is that we are powerful beyong measure."
Re: Wallace
Wallace seems to be the more complete hitter. They have similar power. We had a similar discussion about the two on MOD: Yankees, and we decided Wallace was the better hitter, and likely the better pro.
However, Ike looks better in the uniform, as Wallace looks like a beer league softball player.
Davis/Wallace
I attend 15-20 ASU baseball games per year and have watched both young men since 2005.
Davis is starting to grow into his body and tap his vast power and potential. Wallace has been a stud since he stepped on campus. I think Davis has more raw power, Wallace is more polished at the plate. Davis has more tools across the board, other than plate discipline. If Wallace can stick at 3b that would be a big plus. he has worked hard on keeping his body in check (weighed about 260 a year and 1/2 ago, now at 230ish). Davis has the athleticism to stay in RF, but it comes down to translating his vast power potential.
Sorry this rambles, but I would guess that Wallace is the safer bet, even if he can’t stick at 1b. davis offers way more upside for me: he is more athletic, has more power, and has a gun for an arm. Wallace will be confined to a corner inf spot and will have to work to keep his body in check
ASU
I also attend about 20 ASU baseball games each year since 2000.
I have said numerous times that Wallace and Davis are even better hitters than the recent run of successful Sun Devils (Ethier, Buck, Duffy, Pedroia, Sogard). They both have proven clutch, but Wallace has been doing it for a bit longer than Davis.
One hitter to DH – it would be Wallace. I love Davis, but Wallace is the reigning Pac-10 triple crown winner, and Wallace currently leads in 2 of the 3 categories again this year. Pitchers haven’t been going around him, but they rarely give him pitches to hit.
I really like Wallace’s swing, short and quick to the ball – Davis has a longer swing through the zone that makes him vulnerable to certain types of pitchers.
Additionally, it was Wallace last year who won Game 1 of the Super Regional against Will Kline and Mississippi.
Devils?
Glad to see another Devil fan. I’ve been going to 20 games a year since 1983, when my father started teaching at ASU.
I would agree that Wallace/Davis are better than a lot of the names on your list, but Perdo was 2 time pac POY. His numbers his jr year were sick. Buck, Duffy and Etheir underachieved in some ways while Sogard overachieved.
Do you post at wireddevils?
The Last Time
I lived within walking distance of Packard for years yet somehow have only managed to get to one game in the last five or so. The last time I went to 20+ ASU games was 1985:)
Wallace
I’m an OBP guy, so I’d go with Wallace.
John – you mention more homers for Wallace, but he also has more AB. If you extrapolate Davis’ HR rate to 203 ABs, he’d have 17.9 homers. That makes homers a wash, and the doubles definitely give the power edge to Davis.
Wallace
He just seems like the better overall hitter, and in my eyes is the better prospect. But, wouldn’t be surprised if one day we see both of these Sun Devils in the All-Star Game
by Central Jersey Nationals Fan on May 23, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
Third Base
For those Devil fans who attend 15-20 games a year, can Brett Wallace stick at 3rd base in the future?
If he can, he’s a top 10 pick. Much more valuable than Yonder Alonso.
3rd Base
Wallace only had 10 errors this year. What is even better is that Arizona State’s top two starters, Mike Leake and Josh Satow, are ground ball pitchers, so Wallace had plenty of chances.
Wallace is pretty athletic, and he can probably stay at third. With some hard work (increasing flexibility), I bet he can stay there for a while.
Wallace is the two time Tripe Crown winner in the Pac-10 conference. I look at Wallace as a better prospect than Beau Mills from last year.
no contest. has to be ike.
Ike has come in clutch when it counts time and time again. A primary example for this was in last year’s college world series. ASU’s first game was a toughy, and went scoreless until the 6th inning, when Ike came in clutch with a 2 run homer. That proved to be the difference in the game. In their next two losses, one against Oregon State, and one against UC Irvine, Ike continued to hit and get on base, and went something like .450 for the tourney.
What did the all-hype Wallace do???? He went 0 for 12. Didn’t get a single hit in the whole tournament!! So when the pressure is on, and you need someone who will, can, and has come in clutch for the team, i’d NO CONTEST, put Davis in.
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