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Revisiting the mrkupe Top 25 Pitchers (of Doom)

Some months back (December 28 to be exact), I posted a list of who I thought to be the top 25 pitching prospects in the game. It's very early in the evaluation process, having had only spring training and the first month of the season to see how our young arms have developed, but nonetheless I think it's interesting to see where I was right and where I was (ever-so-dreadfully) wrong. I think it's also fun to look at the guys that various other posters called me out on, for what they perceived to be an aggressive appreciation or depreciation of  value. Finally, it serves as a quick "where are they now" reference guide for those who haven't paid much attention in the early going. My comments are posted beneath each name.

  1. Buchholz, Clay

Shaky spring training, but looks good if slightly erratic in early going. Continues to have occasional issues with falling in love with secondary pitches, but nothing that maturation will not fix. Forecast has not changed, looks great. A 4.08 ERA for a rookie pitching out of Fenway in the AL East is outstanding, just ask Daisuke. Stock: Holding

  1. Chamberlain, Joba

Still pitching great in relief, stuff looks awesome as ever. Not showing us anything we didn't already know but not really his fault. Continue to be very high on him, will be interesting to see how he translates his performance into a starting role at some point. Stock: Holding

  1. Price, David

Looked very impressive in spring training, now currently out with forearm strain. Not sure if this is just an organization being extremely cautious (as the Rays tend to be with their pitchers) or something to be concerned about. I think the good balances out the bad here for the moment. Stock: Holding (or perhaps a slight dropoff if you're on the more cautious side concerning injuries)

  1. Kershaw, Clayton

Became the toast of spring training by sticking in major league camp all of March. Made Sean Casey wish Youtube had never been invented. Now having few difficulties in Double A and beating down the door to the majors. He ranks behind only Buchholz on this list, and one can make a fair argument for him as No. 1. Combines a Mark Buehrle approach with a Barry Zito (Cy Young edition) curveball and Johan Santana fastball, which should give him a very good chance to make an immediate impact upon reaching the majors. Stock: Rising

  1. Porcello, Rick

Aggressively sent to Florida State League, looks about as good as one can hope for with only some minor hiccups. Frontline starter stuff with nearly unheard of poise for such a young arm. Has jumped another notch or two . . .Grade A prospect to be sure, but still 4th best prospect on this list. Stock: Rising - should be interesting to see whether people prefer Porcello or Kershaw as the top pitching prospect still in the minors

  1. Kennedy, Ian

In the process of falling apart against ML competition, not making me look real good. Probably needed at least a couple of months of consolidation time in the minors and perhaps more. Needs to reassert himself, may have to do it in the minors. Still like his chances of being at least a solid ML pitcher. Stock: Falling sharply but due to aggressive ranking and high expectations for a guy in his second year of pro ball more than anything else

  1. Cueto, Johnny

Extremely aggressive approach for a young and very live arm has benefited him well against MLers not familiar with his stuff. Homer prone but great peripherals. Transitioning well all things considered and just needs some time to refine his approach. I think he fits just fine here, no higher and no lower. Stock: Rising slightly

  1. Gonzalez, Gio

Pitching well but not exceptionally so in Triple A. Needs to refine his command against advanced batters but based on previous track record of steady improvement I have confidence in this. Note only one HR given up in 25 innings of PCL work. Should be a quality LH starter with the potential to be more than that. Mildly concerned that he may be leveling off but solid repertoire across the board means he should contribute in the majors in a meaningful way. Stock: Holding.

  1. McDonald, James

ERA is ugly in the Southern League but peripherals look sharp as ever, and he's been hit-unlucky. Something of a work in progress but his combination of throwing strikes and solid stuff makes me think he could be a good one. Makes me think a lot of Joe Blanton, which can be a good or a bad thing depending on your perspective. Stock: Falling slightly

  1. Davis, Wade

Continuing the transition from thrower to pitcher, Ks down but so are the walks. Overall line would look much better if not for Matt LaPorta. May need some time to put everything together, but he's in one of the better organizations for that and he could be excellent in time. Worst case health permitting is that he eats a ton of innings at the major league level with consistently solid performance. Best case is that he's a No. 2 starter, but I'm skeptical of projecting him as a true ace type. Stock: Holding

  1. Horne, Alan

Has only pitched twice this year in Triple A, currently out with a biceps tendon tear in pitching arm. Looked okay in what little we saw of him but obviously this doesn't do much to mitigate concerns about his ability to avoid injury. I still like him as a guy with good stuff and improving command, but some caution should be exercised here. Stock: Falling

  1. Morales, Franklin

When first writing this list, I had a comment next to his name: "will either post a 3.50 or a 6.00 ERA this year." Well . . .yeah. His mechanics are falling apart. Velocity has been all over the place and his control has regressed. Got destroyed in the majors before recent demotion. Still has promise if he can figure things out, but March and April have shown just how far he away he is from being a consistent major league contributor. Stock: Falling like a rock

  1. Mulvey, Kevin

Looking great in Triple A, striking out plenty of batters with good control. Appears to be a nice bet to be at least a #3 starter in the majors. A finesse guy with markedly better-than-finesse-guy stuff, with developing confidence in that stuff. Hard to argue with anything about this guy, has responded very well to aggressive rate of promotion and has passed through every challenge with success. A very good prospect who might not get his due until he settles in at the major league level. Stock: Rising

  1. McGee, Jacob 

Has only one truly bad start on the year, but still a work in progress. Needs to harness his stuff - lots of walks and homers are not an inspiring combination . Note that while he strikes out plenty of RH batters, righties nonetheless hit him pretty well. The current version of the epitome of the high risk, high reward pitching prospect. Stock: Holding

  1. Adenhart, Nick

Just promoted to the majors after 31 sterling innings in the PCL. Nibbles too much but stuff is very good across the board, as anyone who has seen him can attest. Starting to put things together,  and I think the peripheral numbers will come around with good health and experience. Too smart and savvy to beat himself in the long-term. Stock: Rising

  1. De Los Santos, Fautino

Striking out lots of batters in the Cal League but overall numbers are mediocre otherwise. Not terribly worried as the Cal League is especially hard for a raw arm who knows only one speed: hard. Hard not to be optimistic about a guy with solid heat and a sick slider. Makes me think a lot of Juan Cruz. Stock: Holding, but don't ask for too much too soon out of this one

  1. Parra, Manny   

Having adjustment issues in the majors, but then again 25 relatively crappy innings in the majors shouldn't count too much against him. Should be an above-average LH starter in time. Biggest concern would be that injury-prone tendencies kick in and interrupt his development at this crucial juncture. Stock: Holding

  1. Bailey, Homer 

Looked terrible in the spring, but pitching well to start the year in Triple A with much better control. Concerns about altering his mechanical approach with different pitches may take time or a promotion to bubble back to the surface. My guess is that he's still going to need a fair amount of consolidation time in the majors, but I'm more optimistic about him now than I was before the season. Stock: Rising

  1. Anderson, Brett

Having few troubles with the Cal League as a 20 y/o, advanced approach and multiple present plus pitches suggest that he'll be ready to move up a level shortly. Does virtually everything you could want in a young pitcher other than burn up the radar gun, but different from many pitchers of that mold in that he already has pitches that will hold up against more advanced batters. A guy for both scouts and statheads to appreciate, one of the better pitching prospects in baseball. Stock: Rising rapidly

  1. Cortes, Dan

 Made three decent starts in Double A before hitting the DL with a left quad strain. Should be a solid innings eater at the major league level with the potential to be above-average. Not a good candidate for aggressive promotion but a guy who has a nice track record of steady improvement.  Nothing to complain about here, but not much to say either. Stock: Holding

  1. Alderson, Tim

Aggressively promoted to Cal League as 19 y/o, holding his own and then some. Quickly asserting himself as sabermetric darling due to very advanced command and performance record. Turning himself into one of the better pitching prospects in baseball, but some restraint is advised. His stuff is solid but not stellar across the board as a SP, and there is a fairly good chance that he will level out in higher levels of the minors. A high floor No. 3 SP is most likely, may be a No. 2 but we may have to wait and see how his stuff rates at higher levels. Stock: Rising sharply

  1. Cahill, Trevor

Long-time personal favorite is making himself known with outstanding performance in the Cal League. I thought he'd look solid this year and then break out next year, but improved command of breaking stuff is letting him carve up A ball batters. Combination of athleticism, intelligence, and solid stuff across the board makes him a pretty good one. Stuff suggests a No. 3 starter but intangibles make me think he's a good candidate to pitch beyond that. Stock: Rising

  1. Miller, Adam ("to be a pitching prospect, one must, in fact, pitch")

Finally pitching again in Triple A after missing much of the spring with finger injury. Has looked good in the early going but nobody has ever doubted his ability to look good in spurts. Probably should get a chance to contribute for the ML team by the middle of the season assuming he stays healthy, but frankly heavy skepticism about that assumption is warranted. I don't think we're seeing anything in Miller that we didn't already know, and the questions we have can only be answered with time. Stock: Holding

  1. Robertson, Tyler

Sickels favorite pitching well in Florida State League, with lots of strikeouts and groundballs. Putting up a sub-3 ERA despite terrible luck on balls in play. Needs to refine his command but hard to argue with what he's doing. Should probably spend most/all of the year in A ball for his own good and then move up quickly after that. Stock: Rising

  1. Volstad, Chris

Former first round pick is starting to put everything together. Has always been underrated by sabermetric community due to heavy reliance on outstanding sinker rather than his quality secondary offerings. Maturation has led to improvement in curveball and an increased willingness to use it, contributing to steady rise in strikeout rate. A smart pitcher who does almost everything very well and should only get better with time. Now one of the better pitching prospects in baseball, and a great example of why one should remember the minors are about development rather than statistical performance. Stock: Rising sharply

 

 

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shouldn't chris tillman be on this list?

i look at some of the names here and keep thinking that chris tillman should be on here somewhere. the guy is the second-youngest pitcher in the eastern league and he’s pretty much dominating (aside from a few too many walks). am i missing something?

by psugator on May 2, 2008 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tillman

He is just looking back on his previous ranking before the season started and I assume Tillman just wasn’t high enough to make the cut. Though personally I would defiantly have Tillman in the back end my top 25, then again I wouldn’t have dropped Homer so far due to a mostly injury plagued year.

by hybrid on May 2, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Tillman was a just miss, one of the next couple of guys who would’ve been on. I’m actually a huge Tillman fan, as he was my personal choice for the White Sox to take at the end of the first round in the 2006 draft. I’ve been following him carefully ever since, which might have been to his detriment here – I didn’t want to overrate him on my own bias. Good arm, but I still worry that he might be a two-pitch guy – the combination of a respectable fastball and good control of a good breaking ball can carry a guy a long way, but they don’t mean more than mid-rotation status on a major league roster.

Obviously it’s safe to say that he’s earning his spot in any discussion of the game’s best pitching prospects, but there’s guys even beyond the Kershaw/Porcello/Price class that I’d rate higher than him.

by mrkupe on May 2, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stellar

That is pretty darned good list Kupe. I don’t just meen the pitchers on it, I meen thier placement at the time… lots and lots of “risers”. What many don’t realize is that there is a skill involved in making one a list like this one meen something and it involves looking at each player individually and …predicting the future. Not vwery many can do it IMO. You’ve got it man. Nice job!

by casejud on May 2, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Adenhart

His numbers look great:

0.89ERA, 31 IP, 18H, 4R, 3ER, 0HR

but then you look deeper….

15:19 BB:K ratio
.170 AVG

you realize he’s pretty much screwed. He doesn’t have the control he needs and MLB hitters are going to bat at least .220 against him if not more. How is he when there are runners on base and he’s throwing from the stretch? Take this pretender off the list. And you have him ranked on notch below McGee? I think you did a great job with the other people on the list, but that just makes their poor analysis odder.

by FanBall on May 2, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think everyone would be ecstatic if

mlb hitters hit 220 or somewhere close to that. . . there are few mlb pitchers w/ an average against around 220. . .his command is fine and tj sufferers tend to improve command as they log more innings after the surgery. . . his command has never really been an issue. The angels just can’t give him the Wood treatment that they seem to be doing with a lot of guys, they have been way to active in promoting/demoting guys of late, they need to stay up or down until they get an actual chance to prove themselves in anaheim. . . ( see arredondo, Sean rodriguez, richard thompson, o’day, terry evans, bobby wilson, matt brown etc. . . )

by SoCalSoxFan on May 3, 2008 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fyi, a quick check of minorleaguebaseball.com reveals that Adenhart has a 1.65 ERA with runners on base, 6 hits in 16 1/3 IP, 7/11 BB/K. For the most part he’s the same pitcher with guys on base, go look at minorleaguesplits.com for his past history.

Adenhart can throw strikes with the best of them, his bigger problem is that sometimes he just won’t, and he gets himself into bad situations. He needs some good coaching but if he were pitching up to his ability, he’d probably be one of the top 5 names on this list.

I feel very comfortable with McGee’s placement. If you don’t . . .No. 12 on this list says hi.

by mrkupe on May 3, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adenhart

“Adenhart can throw strikes with the best of them, his bigger problem is that sometimes he just won’t, and he gets himself into bad situations.”

Do you mind explaining that quote a bit more? I’m sure your trying to get some point across, but on the surface it really makes little sense. Are you trying to say he won’t always just attack the strike zone and nibbles around the corners to much? And if that’s the case, how do you know that for certain, it’s somewhat of a hard thing to prove.

by hybrid on May 4, 2008 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I think you answered your own question. Nibbles too much, gets into bad situations where he needs to throw a strike. His BABIP has sucked over his pro career for the most part, which for a guy with good stuff should be telling – when they hit it, it’s often simply because he’s putting the ball where they can hit it and they know it. A guy with a 93-95 FB and a plus curve shouldn’t have any trouble King guys if he wants to.

I base this conclusion on observations, statistical analysis, and scouting reports, including comments from BA. That being said, there is nothing I know “for certain” and would not pretend that such is the case.

by mrkupe on May 4, 2008 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mid-end of the rotation projections are often overhyped or underhyped, not just right

In particular, I’m pointing to Ian Kennedy. I never understood the fascination with the kid. Sure, he had outstanding numbers in his small stints, but c’mon. Here’s a kid that was always tremendously overhyped. I don’t think he’s horrible, but he really doesn’t have a plus offering, IMO.

I say this in pointing out Sean Gallagher. I’m still not sure what people don’t like. Here’s a kid with two plus offerings. He’s got his control issues settled, and has a nice, solid 3 pitch arsenal. He’s had one bad inning basically this year. Here’s a guy with a nice frame, good “pitchability”, and good raw stuff.

I’m not saying Sean Gallagher deserved a place on a top 25 list entering the year (although I did have him on mine at 24), but the differentiation between Kennedy and Gallagher being that great? I don’t get it. And this isn’t pointing to mrkupe, as most had a wide gap. Guys that get by based on “pitchability” without the top stuff are usually the exceptions, and not the rules. You have to have extremely high level “pitchability”.

by toonsterwu on May 3, 2008 12:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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No, Kennedy doesn’t have a plus pitch to his name. He does have good control and a very advanced sense of pitching, though. I don’t think he was overhyped, but you know . . .the majors are hard. Even guys with really good stuff sometimes end up bombing. I think it’s especially difficult for guys like Kennedy to break into the majors, because a lot of their success relies on being able to establish a rhythm over the course of a season and it’s much harder to get into a groove against major league batters than minor league batters of any level. Did I overrate Kennedy? Sure. Do I think he’d still make this list were it done over again today? Almost certainly, it’s not like he’s a totally different pitcher now.

However yes, Gallagher was underrated. Bigger omission than Tillman IMO in retrospect. He needs some consolidation time and I wouldn’t overrate his ceiling either, but he’s probably going to be a pretty useful ML pitcher.

by mrkupe on May 3, 2008 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't mean to call you out specifically, other than

it was your diary and your list. I mean, a lot of people loved Ian Kennedy, so it definitely wasn’t you, and I’m sure that, if we’re betting money, you’ll be more right than a lot of people on this board on prospects, at least, definitely more than me.

I think Gallagher gets underhyped for one main reason – they kid’s been successful for so long, that many assume this is the same kid that was in A ball. That Sean Gallagher, while his frame hasn’t gotten significantly bigger, wasn’t as physically mature. That Sean Gallagher was a “pitchability” guy. I think a lot of people keep on referencing that Sean Gallagher (although that Sean Gallagher did get touted for his curveball, as Cubs scouts rated it better than Rich Hill’s). This Sean Gallagher runs a solid low-mid 90’s 2 seamer, runs a mid-90’s 4 seamer. Those are velocities he did not consistently have before. One other thing is that, I think people forget how young Gallagher is. Who knows what the course of his career would’ve been had, crap, someone got injured which allowed him to go to A ball at such a young age, name is slipping me at the moment. Anyhow, who knows what the course of his history would’ve been, but this Gallagher got the opportunity at a young age. I think people forget that, for as long as he’s been successful in the minors, he won’t turn 23 until December.

On a tangent, I was against the Brian Roberts trade because I just don’t see him as a big enough upgrade for our offense to justify giving up Gallagher, considering how high the costs on pitching has become. I don’t think Sean is an ace by any means, but as noted by my original post title, mid-rotation types (and I do think Gallagher has a chance to be a tick better than a mythical “3”) often get overhyped or, in Sean’s case, underhyped.

by toonsterwu on May 3, 2008 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I would say the bigger problem for Gallagher’s rep is that the way his 2007 SHOULD’VE gone was: good in AA, good in AAA, and a meaningless stint in the majors at the end of the year. The Cubs did him no favors by promoting him aggressively from AA in the middle of the year to fill a spot in the pen, a spot that he wasn’t ready for by any means.

He’s good but to be honest with you, sometimes you need to read between the lines – if the scouts aren’t talking about a guy, especially one who’s been pitching as well as Gallagher has, then there usually is a reason and maybe more than one. My guess is that you’re slightly overrating his stuff across the board, suggesting that what he can touch with his heater is where he sits.

Fyi, I live just outside of Chicago so I see a lot of the two teams . . .I personally would’ve given up Gallagher before Sean Marshall in a Roberts trade, love Marshall. Another guy who probably hasn’t gotten the respect he deserves due to . . .curious Cubs player development practices.

by mrkupe on May 3, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure

Where you got the idea that last year, that scouts weren’t talking about him. There were across the board reports last year about Gallagher and his stuff. The one I remember most clearly was BA. BA wrote about his stuff as well, although my subscription to BA has since ended. Actually, BA was the first place that I know that noted his uptick of stuff to suggest that he had number 2 potential. That’s why I noted underhyped instead of underrated. I think it’s more the fan community that doesn’t appreciate it Gallagher, relative to all the positive reports that there’s been out there. You look at a guy like Gallagher vs. say, Hurley, and I’ve been making the case since last year that, based on the scouting reports, I don’t see why Hurley is significantly better than Gallagher, if at all.

At the end of last year, almost every report suggested the velocities that I have noted above. John’s own report on this site -

“His command was giving him trouble and he looked a bit tired in the hot/humid weather, but I was impressed with the quality of his stuff: fastball at 89-93, curveball with a nice break, usable changeup. Full scouting report on the Iowa/Memphis games will be sent to Newsletter subscribers tomorrow.”

Almost everyone suggested that he was hitting the mid-90’s area when he went to this 4 seamer, but since his 2 seamer was so nasty, he didn’t use it as much. He gets great downward movement on his 2 seamer. The difference between this year and last year, from the early reports, is his curveball. Maybe your referencing my comment on his curve, but if you go through some scouting reports, his curve, when he was in A ball, was rated as being better than Rich Hill’s by the Cubs organization, and for all the flaws that Hill has, he has a nasty curve. The other major difference is that his control has been fine, but that was never a huge concern for me, as this was a kid whose body was maturing. He had solid control and pitchability in A ball.

I do agree the Cubs shouldn’t have done that with him last year, but then again, it’s not as if he was in the big leagues that long. My bigger annoyance with that last year was them bringing him up for the pen. As for the Sean’s, I’m a fan of both. I’e always compared Marshall to Mark Mulder a bit. That said, it’s not even close for me as a minor league follower. I would move Marshall in an instant over Gallagher. I’d like to keep both. but there’s honestly no 2nd thought there. The stuff that Gallagher has is just across the board better. Marshall tosses in the high-80’s while occasionally toucing the low 90’s with his sinker. That said, he’s inconsistent on it. Solid curve. I dunno what the current scouting reports put it as, but I don’t see it as a “plus” pitch persay, but a solid pitch. Mixes in changes, um, slider?, and a splitter? A bit early for me to remember these things off the top. Certainly he’s had some durability concerns.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to move Marshall. I’d rather keep him as a back end of the rotation lefty, which is always nice to have. I think he’s got some mid-rotation potential. But if I’m dealing one of the two, I’m dealing the guy with a lower ceiling. Sure, Marshall’s a bit more proven, but not to the point of giving him enough, IMO, to overcome Gallagher’s advantages.

by toonsterwu on May 3, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

crap dunno how to edit

one other comment – I can remember Marshall back in his “return” to A ball days earlier in his career and thinking that, back then, that Marmol and Marshall were our two best pitching prospects, so maybe I have some bias here. But I’ve been steadfast in believing that (and I’ve posted this on boards), long run, I still believe Marshall will have a better career than Rich Hill, mainly because of the movement on his fastball. I like Marshall, a lot more than many.

by toonsterwu on May 3, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always felt the same way too...

about middle to back of the rotation types and always used Gallagher as a similar type who usually has better numbers and similar if not better stuff and yet he was always ranked lower. I’ve never understood it.

www.baseball-intellect.com

by NovaO on May 4, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

side note on gallagher

i missed his outing last night, but people kept on commenting on how he was tossing in the mid-upper 90’s when he came in. Certainly, that may be a byproduct of coming out of the pen. Furthermore, radar guns are notoriously imperfect due to the huge variable of factors that influence it’s overall result. That said, it does go to show that his velocity has creeped up a bit.

by toonsterwu on May 5, 2008 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re:

One of the reasons listed for why Gallagher was never held in such high regard was because he lacked projection. But one can improve velocity through adjusting their mechanics or as Gallagher did, get in better shape.

www.baseball-intellect.com

by NovaO on May 6, 2008 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoever told you this lied....

I just watched and I believe the FoxSports gun had him topping out at 87. According to MLB Gameday, he topped out at 86.

by Dfarth on May 6, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops My Bad

I confused Sean Gallagher with Sean Marshall…ignore my comment.

by Dfarth on May 6, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

In order to make up for my idiocy above, I checked Gallagher’s velocity and sure enough – his FB was consistently 94-96…

by Dfarth on May 6, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One other thing

I believe this was the pF/X stuff which I believe is very accurate…

by Dfarth on May 6, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yankees

will always get overhyped. Just the way it is. Kennedy had great numbers last year but his ceiling is not as high as many had anticipated. He just doesn’t have that top of the rotation upside in my opinion, where as some of the other guys below him have more. I like the list a lot though, enjoyable read

by loop on May 3, 2008 1:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To use a Cubs comparison

since i’m a Cubs fan. Anyhow, I tend to think of Ian Kennedy as a plus-Mark Holliman. Holliman is essentially a “pitchability” guy with multiple decent offerings, but no plus offerings. I expect Holliman to be a career minor league type, unless he moves to the pen, and even then, he’s fringy there as well. I think Kennedy has a notch better stuff than Holliman (if the scale was plus/solid/decent, then Holliman has decent offerings, with Kennedy at a mix of solid/decent), so his chances of sticking as an end of the rotation type in the bigs is higher. But I just never saw what people saw. Heck, I never saw the plus change that some suggested.

Oh, didn’t mean to imply that I thought Sean Gallagher was a mid-end of the rotation projection. Reading my post now, it could come out that way. I still strongly believe Gallagher is a 2/3.

by toonsterwu on May 3, 2008 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great list

hey mrkupe,

I just wanted to ask where abouts you have jarrod parker or ross detwiler ranked and what do you think of their prospects?

Carlos Quentin's time has arrived.

by Team Moneyball on May 4, 2008 1:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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Now? I think Parker would be on somewhere, not sure exactly where just yet. Good competiton from the 07 draft class with Parker and Aumont looking great and Bumgarner looking not-quite-as-raw as expected.
Aumont is a guy I’m keeping a close eye on, a guy who throws really hard but has the projectability to maintain that velocity over a season. Power sinker, good slider, just a really intriguing kid.

I have never been very big on Detwiler, didn’t think his stuff would hold over that well in a pro rotation, and I never really thought of him as more than a #3 starter in the first place. Other people really liked him which keeps him on the radar for me, but I don’t think I’ve changed my mind on him. A solid prospect certainly, not more than that until he shows more.

by mrkupe on May 4, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that comparing De Los Santos

to Juan Cruz is exactly going to warm the hearts of A’s fans everywhere.

Or to put it another way, I hope you’re not saying he’ll be awful for part of a season and then get traded for Brad Halsey.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on May 5, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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It wasn’t meant as a bad thing. Cruz has had a mostly good career as a reliever, with a couple of great years.

Sobering thought, though: when Cruz was the age that DLS is right now, he posted a 3.98 ERA . . .in the majors.

by mrkupe on May 5, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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