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White Sox fire Scouting Director

The White Sox fired scouting director David Wilder and two scouts over the weekend (?), reportedly over possible skimming of signing bonuses, with a federal investigation underway.

That's bad news any time, but you'd have to think that would be a huge blow this close to the draft.  How do you think this will affect their draft?

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this is old hat

the firings may be new, but skimming of signing bonuses in latin america has been going on for as long as there have been signing bonuses in latin america. i’m glad to see some light being shined on this, and i honestly hope that all who make practice this take heed of the example to be made.

by variablesdont on May 19, 2008 11:04 PM EDT   0 recs

ouch

definitely not a good time to lose the boss

by fewgoodcards on May 20, 2008 12:13 AM EDT   0 recs

wilder was in charge of latin american operations

unless the draft now includes the DR or something i’m not exactly sure how this would be a huge blow.

by larry on May 20, 2008 12:46 PM EDT   0 recs

no

The Trib and Sun-Times stories both indicate that, as scouting director, he WAS involved in the draft

by nms on May 22, 2008 10:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would think that he never gets another job in the business again

It seems like such a stupid thing for someone so high up to do. It just doesn’t seem to be worth the risk considering how little more he has to climb to be a GM.

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by parrot11 on May 21, 2008 12:28 AM EDT   0 recs

this is total and complete rumor

but some people (not me) consider this guy credible because he purports to be a white sox employee. if true, this is a sordid tale.

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=64771&st=0&#entry1643181

Wilder signed many (MANY!) latin-americans to rather large contracts (+ $100,000) who had no representation in the latin-countries. Now – for anyone who knows and understands latin scouting – there are almost ZERO players without latin representation (meaning – players in these countries are in academies run by agents from these countries who then sell players off to MLB teams to put in their own academies). Now – when a player has no representation – there is generally a reason, i.e., they’re terrible. Now – what happened was this:

Wilder would find these players and sign them for a large amount of money (as mentioned above) and then take their money as their “agent.” Now – he had to get permission to pass these players off & what he was doing was supplying these players with fake birth cerficates taking as many as 5 years off their age & also supplying them with HGH & steroids (even as they were in MiLB). He was then taking this money and putting it into an off-shore account, taking the maximum amount possible at any given time and washing it through a business he opened up in Arizona that rehabs houses.

Now – taking the large amounts of money is one thing. Well – a MAJOR thing to Jerry Reinsdorf and to the Feds.

Now – here is where the Feds do not care & where we as a staff DO care:
At this point, Wilder and “farm director” Alan Reiger (also involved & under investigation from the FBI) had to “sell” their players to the organization. What does that mean? Well for the last few years – and a bit this year, players who did not have ANY BUSINESS in a professional baseball system were shoved up the system to “justify” the amount of money going on. Wilder & Reiger have a great friend who works for BaseballAmerica and thus why they “push” these players in publications & up into the system (again, to “justify” these large signing bonuses they were actually pocketing themselves). NUMEROUS players have been mentioned in these publications & pushed through the system (Wilder & Reiger were in charge of this since 2005 more or less & thus why such a degradated system is currently in place) & it is going to take a LONG time to fully recover.

Certain players (cough, a 16 year old “phenom SS” according to Wilder & Reiger in BaseballAmerica is actually 20.5 years old & not the player Wilder pushed him up as). The list goes on, and on, and on, and on.

by larry on May 21, 2008 12:37 PM EDT   0 recs

whatever

what crap

Reiger is actually taking over most of the duties Wilder left behind so it doesn’t seem like he is actually in any trouble.

Your post is so stupid that even on a conspiracy level it is just TOO STUPID to have actually happened.
Scouts justify the bonuses they ask for to sign their guys by citing magazine accounts. WTF.. they are SCOUTS. An org decides what to spend on a guy first by getting reports from their local guys and then (if it is a large number) from a crosschecker or scouting director.
What the heck would BA (or BP, or Sickles’, or any outside observer’s) opinion matter to the White Sox when deciding who to spend bonus money on.

Places like BA get their info by asking scouts for info, not by telling scouts their take!

I’m sure the White Sox tried to overhype their signings to BA. EVERYONE DOES. OF COURSE you want to make your prospects sound like the bee’s knees. What does that prove.

And it isn’t BAs responsibility to figure out if a SS is 16 or 20 or 21. Are they supposed to go running around Venezula trying to disprove the numbers that the White Sox gave them or the numbers that the freaking government believes them to be

by nms on May 22, 2008 10:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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