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Kazmir and Braun

    Both of these young stars have been locked up to long term deals by their franchises.  It's obvious that both players decided to take security over a potentially larger reward down the road. 

    I'm really struck by the Braun deal.  I understand Kazmir's actions to the extent that he's probably worried he'll blow his arm out and he wants to make sure his family is taken care of.  However, Kazmir still hits FA in his 20's even with this deal.  Ryan Braun has essentially forfeited his entire prime and with it, his chance at a mega deal unless he's still solid into his 30's. I really think Braun has left an absolutely astounding amount of money on the table by giving up 2 years of FA that mean he won't actually hit the market till he's comfortably north of 30.

    These were both obviously great deals for the Rays and Brewers, but the hat tip really must go to the Brew Crew for the best young player deal since Omar bilked Reyes.

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I have to agree to an extent.

The obvious point of these deals, as you mentioned, is to grab security over a potentially outrageous payday in the future. I wonder what the teams in these situations would have been willing to do.

For instance for Braun, would the Brewers have only bought out his arb eligible years for say $20mil? This would still easily set him for life, but let him hit FA on schedule. The question would be whether the Brewers wanted to do something like that…I’d guess they wouldn’t. They have absolutely NO reason to do this deal at all when they can just keep him for 5 more years of indentured servitude for just more than that same price and not risk anything.

I guess what I’m saying is that while he had to give up a lot of money to get this security, I doubt that there was a deal on the table that would give him a requisite amount of security, while still allowing him to maximize all of his FA years. Does that make sense?

by TexasTiger on May 16, 2008 12:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

three factors

the marginal decrease in the value of money—your first $50 million is worth infinitely more than your second $50 million, and anybody for whom the difference would matter is managing their money so poorly that it likely wouldn’t matter how much they had

present value of money—obviously, money now is worth more than money later, and this is even more tangibly true in this case, where the money will be sufficient to last a lifetime. would you rather have more money than you can ever spend NOW, so that you can start acting like a rich person from age 23 on, or wait until you’re 26, spending the next three years on a tighter budget while your teammates live it up, just so that you can have a larger number on your contract?

certainty—obviously, you say it, but, given that these guys are, by signing these contracts, 100% certain to be filthy rich for the rest of their lives, why is there even a reason to discuss the other factors? i’m not even sure that a 2% risk is worthwhile given that the difference in money between the two contracts is practically meaningless (whereas the risk is HUGE).

by bleedjaxblue on May 16, 2008 2:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Braun will get a huge contract...

If Braun is a star 8 years from now (and he’ll be like 31? 32?), he’ll still get paid. He’ll be “past his prime” or whatever, but he’ll be getting paid pretty well for those with the option years. Sure, the deal will likely be for 3-5 years instead of 5-7, but trading money that far down the road for security now isn’t indefensible.

by mraver on May 16, 2008 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And regarding the comparisson to Reyes

I mean, I realize he’s THE MOST EXCITING PLAYER IN BASEBALL!!!1, but his career OBP is still .330 (and this year has it going the wrong direction), and it’s unclear how much EXCITEMENT gets you in arbitration.

by mraver on May 16, 2008 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reyes

I think Reyes would likely have commanded a significant amount more than 6.5M over the past two seasons, especially coming off his 2006 campaign. He’s also likely to command at least 5.75M next season and he probably would get more than 9M in 2010 and 11M in 2011. I’d say it’s a pretty damn good contract for a player who, in the big picture, has grown leaps and bounds over the past few years.

I also really don’t think it’s very fair to use Reyes’ 03/04 seasons against him considering he wasn’t old enough to drink and he was already in the majors and producing. Reyes has an isOBP of .074 this season, which is actually UP from last season. His BABIP is only 286 this season, as opposed to 302 last season and 320 in 2006. Some of that might have to due with a minor power outage that Reyes is experiencing, but considering all factors, I’d have to say that he’s not just one of the most exciting players in the game to watch, but also to follow the development of.

by GuyinNY on May 16, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh

2006 OPS: .841
2007 OPS: .775
2008 OPS: .740

.251/.316/.402 line after the All Star break last year. .258/.328/.413 so far this year.

Yes, he’s still pretty young and there’s no doubt that he’s a very talented player. He may well yet develop into an elite bat. But there’s no ignoring that since last July he has been one “decent-but-by-no-means-great” player. And considering how his production has fallen steadily since 2006, I have to be honest: there’s really not much I find exciting about his development.

That being said, the contract is more than fine for a guy with a passable bat and great glove at SS with some upside.

by mrkupe on May 16, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reyes

I don’t there can be any doubt that Reyes has been mired in a prolonged down stretch, but I think in the grand scheme of things it is his youth and the potential that he has flashed (he was incredible from about May of 2006 to July of 2007, and he’s been good otherwise since the All-Star break of 2005), that makes him such a valuable commodity. It’s very early, and Reyes has plenty of time to have a few hits drop in and get his line drive stroke back.

Furthermore, OPS also doesn’t tell the whole story with Reyes, as he does have phenomenal speed which makes him considerably easier to score. That speed also leads to “cheap” stretched 2b’s and 3b’s which probably won’t have the same sort of RBI power, but Reyes does do a great job of actually crossing the plate. As out of whack as the pro-Reyes hype might have been following 2006, I think that the backlash from disappointed Mets fans, Braves fans and people who never believed in him in the first place is starting to get a little out of hand as well. Reyes remains a player who is very productive overall, when you look at the whole of his game and with his tools and age, he is almost certainly likely to have another season like his 2006 again.

Getting back to my point, MrKupe nailed it. Omar signed a young Reyes to a significantly below market deal by timing the signing perfectly (just as Reyes was really starting to “get it”).

by GuyinNY on May 16, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I’d take $20 million now over a 90% chance of $200 million. I’d do that gamble all day, every day. Because with 20 million I’m set for life. The 10% chance I get nothing and I have nothing.

People forget that things like Baldelli do happen. Often. And when it happens these players lose out on the payday.

by pedrophile on May 16, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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