Did Twins Lie To Rays about Garza's Health?

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 9, 2008 11:22 PM EDT Comment 17 comments

So with Garza now currently on the 15 day DL, because of a pinched nerve in his right (throwing) arm. Was it or was it not a direct result from last season's late arm problems?

Obviously Ron Gardenhire has stated he had NO idea about any such thing concerning Garza and claims if Garza's telling the Truth he should have told the Twins about his arm.

My take on it is that Someone in the Twins organization knew something about Garza that the Rays did not before dealing him anyway to the Rays for essentialy DelmonYoung.

But Hey, the Rays knew that Matt Garza had neck Problems and other little nagging injuries early on in 2007 anyway...and its not like the Twinks are taking in return some kind of guaranteed superstar or guaranteeed "good guy' -clubhouse leader in Delmon.

Thoughts?

and in your opinion who will have the Better Career?

1. Garza or Young?

2. Eduardo Morlan or Brendon Harris?

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In my opinion

you have zero evidence for making a supposition like this, and it's defamatory and completely lacking in justification.

Knowing that a guy has nagging injury problems is not even in the same class as knowing someone is damaged goods. Why would you even make a case for this?

by Flynn Blake on Apr 9, 2008 11:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

Then you add defame ole Delmon on top of THAT. He is pretty dang close to being a guaranteed superstar buddy. Whether or not you think he is a "good guy"or not.

by casejud on Apr 10, 2008 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Practically every player has a nagging injury that they have dealt with in the past. - teams don't make lists of every possible soreness a player has had before trading them. It's not as if they unloaded him with a torn rotator cuff.

Just an ignorant discussion.

by deezle on Apr 10, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Link

I see Your opinion and I can't disagree with what you said...just throwing this out there.

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 9, 2008 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't know, I don't think the Twins knew

I mean, they arn't the Braves...

by Zonis on Apr 10, 2008 2:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

or...

the Indians.

by Zabat on Apr 10, 2008 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

That sounds like sour grapes....was nothing wrong with Meyer and the A's don't have any room to talk after seeing what happens to a much larger percentage of their players after leaving Oakland.

by jfish26101 on Apr 10, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What about Devine?

A True American Hero

by Zonis on Apr 10, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The whole world...

...knows Devine has back problem. He was out almost the entire 2006 season because of it. It has never been a secret. One back problem in Kotsay being traded for another back problem in Devine + Jamie Richmond...what's the issue here?

by kstchiu on Apr 11, 2008 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah exactly

sometimes a player having an injury is why he was even traded to begin with.
Maybe the Braves don't ever offer a healthy Devine up to anyone...and God knows a healthy Kotsay would have cost far more than a couple mediocre arms

by nms on Apr 12, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Everybody has nagging injuries

If the Twins documented every hang nail or bad-pillow neck on every player they traded, nobody would get dealt.

My take: Garza's a head case and a whiner. The Twins knew that when they traded him. Last year at this time, he was complaining about getting sent down because of nagging injuries in spring training. When people interviewed him, he revealed for the first time that his arm was sore and worn out the year before, which, in his head, was the reason he struggled in his major league starts in 2006.

The reason he struggles is he's obstinate. He doesn't listen to coaches who say you can't just blow the ball by guys in the majors. The Twins finally got tired of his act and traded him for a future star. End of story.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Apr 10, 2008 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If the Twins get Young back....

Then the Mets should get Kazmir back. Effing Zambrano....

by Lunkwill Fook on Apr 10, 2008 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

public denial

FWIW, here's a link to Gardenhire's public denial that he knew anything about this:

by DavidFoss on Apr 10, 2008 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

link

http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080409&content_id=2508560&vkey=news_min&fext=.jsp&c_id=min

by DavidFoss on Apr 10, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Morlan

Just as an FYI, "Eddie" Morlan is throwing 91-92 in Montgomery ... not the 96-97 I heard from his days with the Twins.

by criminal type on Apr 10, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He was doing that for the Twins too. He can still sit in the mid-90's from what I understand, but he has no idea where it's going. So the Twins got him to sacrifice velocity for control and he's still doing that for the Rays. Not all that encouraging if you're looking at him as a future closer, but he can still be very useful

Tools Whore

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by Tyler on Apr 11, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

thats typical of most pitchers

there are VERY few guys that always throw 96-97.
A guy hits 96 and suddenly everyone goes around saying he has a 96 mph fastball, forgetting that that is a peak number

by nms on Apr 12, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs