First-pitch strikes
Yes, this is about Tim Lincecum -- but my purpose is to get others to broaden it out.
I have mentioned here that Tim is a better pitcher when he gets strike one. I would assume that would be the case with virtually all pitchers. But by how much?
Last season batters didn't hit quite as well against Tim when he got the first pitch over, but the huge difference was that his walk rate was only about a quarter as high when that first pitch was a strike.
In last night's strange game, the far bigger difference was in hits rather than walks. The 12 times Tim's first pitch was a strike, batters went only 1-for-8 against him (a single) with two walks and a sacrifice. The seven times Tim's first pitch missed, batters went a healthy 3-for-5 (including two doubles) with two walks.
My question is, how much difference DOES throwing that first pitch strike make? Anyone know of any overall stats or have any experience with a particular pitcher?
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Aaron Harang
Fun little story I heard him tell. When he was pitching in college, at San Diego State, Bud Black (the Padres current manager, at the time he was just a former SDSU pitcher) asked him "What's the best pitch in baseball?" Harang, being the naive young lad that he was, answered, "Fastball?"
Black's answer, however, was a simple one. "Strike one."
Harang has pretty much abided by that theory ever since, and you can see how well it has worked out. Getting the first strike on a batter gives a pitcher loads more flexibility in an at-bat and I suspect there isn't a pitcher out there who does better in ABs where the batter starts 1-0 as opposed to 0-1.
I beleive that quote was originally from Ray Miller
Who was a pitching coach under Earl Weaver.
I heard it was from Tom Seaver haha
I heard him say it on a broad cast from the mets telling a story.
Remember: baseball guys... baseball...
sharks
you list numbers for AFTER strike one and AFTER ball one. But you need to include what happens if the ball is put in play (ie 0-0 count)
I can understand
I can understand your concern there, Pedro, but in fact I DID include the two outcomes Tim had on the first pitch (an out and a sacrifice). I wasn't giving "after 1-0 and 0-1 results," but rather the results after Tim's first pitch was a ball and after it was a strike.
Last season batters had just fair success against Tim on the first pitch. If I were he, I would throw just enough non-fastballs on the first pitch so that a hitter couldn't flat-out look for a first-pitch fastball and KNOW he would get it -- and take my chances until they proved they could hurt me on the first pitch.
Tim's problem last season was that he threw only 55% first-pitch strikes, not nearly high enough IMO. Especially not when compared to Greg Maddux's 73%! :) This spring he improved his 2007 figure by over 10%, and in his strange appearance last night he was at 63% (12 strikes in 18 first pitches).
Whereas Tim did a great job retiring the few hitters he went to three balls on in Friday night's preseason finale for him (when he yielded no hits and one walk in five innings while striking out nine), last night I believe he lost each of the four hitters he went to three balls on. On two or three of the occasions he actually did a pretty good job throwing strikes, but the opposing batters kept fouling them off. Aside from his spotty control, his biggest negative last night was an uncharacteristic inabilty to finish batter off -- although he did strike out four of the ten batters he got two strikes on. But rarely do hitters just keep fouling him off as they did last night.
Obviously pitchers do better when their first pitch is a strike -- even though most hitters hit well on the first pitch when it results in an outcome. The question I hope someone can answer is just how MUCH difference. Obviously that would differ from pitcher to pitcher, but on average, how much of a difference does it make? Anyone know?
Control/Command
Unfortunately too many people use control and command interchangeably and I've said it before but Sharksrog I think you focus way too much on the tangible numbers (i.e. first pitch strikes and walks). Maybe his control (first pitch strikes) is improving but that doesn't mean his command of the strike zone is improving.
Lincecum does not, to this point in his career, have a command pitch, a pitch he can go to and consistently put the ball where he wants. The walk total and first pitch strikes are indicators as are his ratio fluctuations (please don't argue he pitches to flyballs at times, IMO no pitcher does this, but even more to the point, he doesn't have to command to do so). Until he finds his command pitch, IMO, regardless of walk totals/first pitch strikes, his performances are going to vary greatly in their quality - quality being a relative term considering the talent level.
Dynamic balance right now is the Achilles Heal of Lincecum.
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Good Points
You make several good points above, including that control and command are two related but different animals and that Tim doesn't at this point have a go-to command pitch. He may have as many as FOUR go-to stuff pitches, but nary a single go-to command pitch.
And Tim DOESN'T pitch to fly balls or ground balls, just as you state. When he gets the ball up, he gets lots of strikeouts, fly balls and often hits. When he keeps it down, he gets more ground balls and not quite as many strikeouts -- but not many hits and almost on power hits.
IMO the Giants didn't do Tim any favors over the winter when they told him not to throw much. They were looking out for his best interests, of course, but I would have liked to see Tim throwing at something resembling the seven shooting holes young hockey players shoot at using a wooden "goalie." If Tim can hit the holes, he can be as successful as a hockey player who consistently hits the hole at which he is shooting.
I think you have hit on one of the things that makes me so excited about Tim. He has been one of the most dominant pitchers in baseball WITHOUT having good command -- or even good control. If he develops control, he will easily become an All-Star. If he develops both control AND command, he could become an all-time great.
On the encouraging side is that Tim's walks have been improving and that in his rookie season he actually walked fewer per nine than Sandy Koufax at the same age or either Pedro Martinez or even Greg Maddux in their respective first seasons.
Would you mind again sending your e-mail address to me at sharksrog@aol.com, Husker? I've been out of town and didn't follow up the last time, but I would like to engage in a Lincecum conversation with you. You are one of the few from whom I think I can still learn about Tim.
I don't know how they will be received, but I am interested in sharing your thoughts with Tim's dad, who has taught him pretty much everything he knows about pitching. Tim's dad knows a TON about pitching -- and I think your particular knowledge might make a nice complement to his.
Baseball Instructor - www.frozenropes.com

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