Buy low, sell high - AL pitchers
Here's my take on the more interesting guys in the past couple weeks, and what you should do if you own them or possibly available players you want to own them in fantasy leagues:
Ervin Santana - buy! Has added more velocity on his Fastball and Slider, and really agressive and confident yet controlled on the mound, and has mostly shaken off the weird home/road split phenomenon. I see him as a #2 starter the rest of the way
Cliff Lee - sell - Someone's gonna think he's having an Eric Bedard-like breakout out of mediocrity. Yeah he was great a few years ago, and he should be good the rest of the way, but not an ace, so try to get something big for him. If you wait til he puts up a meh start, his value will plummet.
Daniel Cabrera - buy (high risk) I'm in the minority in thinking D-Cab could be turning a corner and becoming less of a thrower and more of a pitcher, changing his approach with more fastball establishment for better control. I think the new coach helps out, but I think he had started making adjustments last season, focusing less on strikeouts and more about putting the ball in play. Not saying his walk rate will be low, but I think it will be significantly lower than in the past, as well as his K rate, but he'll have lower ERA and WHIP.
Phil Hughes - buy Unorthodox stance, he's not where he needs to be right now but you know all he needs is one average start for his value to shoot back up, so pick him up from a panicking team while his value's at an all-time low.
Joe Saunders - buy It may already be too late, but he's going to be pretty solid the rest of the way, maybe Carmona 07-lite.
Gavin Floyd - sell It still may not be too late. Milk his ex-top prospect status, say he's turned a corner, and toss him out like a hot potato. Still will be better than 07 though.
John Danks - buy He's going to have his up and downs this season, but he'll be with a near-4 ERA when all is said and done, and he still hasn't gotten much respect
Kevin Slowey - buy His low ERA and minor league stint will leave him available even in some AL-only leagues, but he'll be coming back to replace Liriano and should be pretty solid
Brian Burres - sell After his great start today, he'll be getting picked up, but he just doesn't have the control to be that good. He had a good streak last year too though, so you can take your chances on specific starts, just don't stick with him.
Andy Sonnanstine - buy His bad start masks that he's been doing pretty well recently, not getting the same Ks as last season but should still stick in the rotation with another good start. More of a low end move
Zach Greinke - buy Kid's the real deal, not sure if Bannister is mentoring him but either way he's definitely got his head on straight now and could be an ace the rest of the way.
Greg Smith - sell He's okay, but really just a back-end guy, not this good. Eveland's the better bet, but even his upside is fairly limited.
Chad Gaudin - buy He started great last year, he can perform as a solid #3 with good Ks and a poor WHIP, getting a lot less hype than Eveland right now so snag him quick.
Bannister - sell May lay down a mean interview, but just doesn't have the stuff to keep this up. Strategy should allow him to constantly outdo his peripherals, but his peripherals are pretty awesome and he'll probably be a solid #3
Armando Gallaraga - Sell! Are you kidding me?
Feel free to add more!
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some thoughts
Ervin Santana – buy! Improved his mechanics which added velocity to the fastball and bite to the slider. Consistently at 94 and lots of bite on the slider. His bad mechanics really became unraveled on the road causing his horrible h/r splits.
Cliff Lee – sell – Always gets oblique injuries. When he loses velocity he is done. When he tries to add velocity it’s even worse since he loses control.
Daniel Cabrera – sell. He’s a big gorilla. The guy doesn’t have co-ordination. Yeah he went to mostly fastballs to get better control. But what will happen when good teams adjust? He’ll get hit hard or will have to get back to secondary stuff – so lots of walks.
Phil Hughes – sell if you can get value. He is solid. But this will take some time and a learning curve. In most leagues his value is high and it will go lower before rising.
Gavin Floyd – sell. When the curve is on he’s nice. But he can’t live off the fastball.
John Danks – buy No real good reason. Just like him and how he consistently has done better than everyone expected him to do.
Kevin Slowey – sell. Again no good reason. Just think he’s crap.
Zach Greinke – buy I need a Zach Attach t-shirt.
ps: I do have to comment on this one:
Bannister – sell May lay down a mean interview, but just doesn’t have the stuff to keep this up. Strategy should allow him to constantly outdo his peripherals, but his peripherals are pretty awesome and he’ll probably be a solid #3
A solid #3 is a heck of a pitcher and no-one expects Bannister to be better than this. Based on that he is a buy to me.
by pedrophile on Apr 26, 2008 8:00 PM EDT 0 recs
Problem is
A #3 in MLB is barely worth a roster spot in fantasy.
by rwperu34 on
Apr 27, 2008 6:01 AM EDT
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roto vs. sim
I don’t play roto for these very reasons.
by pedrophile on
Apr 27, 2008 10:54 AM EDT
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Couple notes
Cabrera is never going to change. He’s a usable pitcher but expecting good things out of him on a consistent basis is just going to disappoint.
I’d buy on Gavin Floyd. Slowly breaking out of the nibbling habit, and he’s very effective when he stops worrying. Solid fastball and usable change, with a nice curve he can use to get both strikeouts and groundballs. Pitched great in AAA last year as a 24 year old and he looks like he’s starting to get things at the major league level. Is he a frontline guy? Not many are. Is he a solid mid-rotation guy? Oh yeah.
by mrkupe on Apr 26, 2008 8:23 PM EDT 0 recs
Randy Johnson...
wasn’t a good pitcher until his age 29 season. Cabrera may not have THAT kind of talent, but it certainly gives one a sliver of hope.
by DrunkIrish on
Apr 27, 2008 4:07 AM EDT
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Cabrera
Well, so much for new pitching approach, pitching coach, etc., at least for today. Only 2 runs, but 5 1/3rd, only 3 hits, but 6 walks, 1 k.
by wobatus on
Apr 28, 2008 6:17 PM EDT
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Re: Cabrera
Yea so much for him…......
4/7: 6 innings 5 hits, 4 ER 4 BB 5 K’s
4/12: 6.2 innings 5 hits, 1 ER 3 BB 5 K’s
4/18: 6 innings 6 hits, 2 ER 2 BB 3 K’s
4/23: 8 innings 5 hits, 2 ER 0 BB 5 K’s
Today: 6.1 innings 4 hits, 2 ER, 7 BB 2 K’s in horrible conditions
Yea he’s definitely the same old DC. Another person who clearly has not seen him this year.
by cowboy4eva on
Apr 28, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
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Floyd
Sell sell sell if it’s not too late. He’s only K’d 14 and walked 12 in 25 IP. That’s a worse ratio than last year. Even if he “overcomes” the k:bb issue, he’s not going to dominate WHIP and ERA enough to compensate for the lack of K’s and W’s. He a classic guy that has MLB #3 upside and is a risk to reach that. He’s not worth a roster spot in most leagues.
by rwperu34 on
Apr 27, 2008 6:06 AM EDT
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What's your take
on Edwin Jackson’s hot start?
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 27, 2008 2:52 AM EDT 0 recs
what about?
Scott Baker, Micah Owings, Jair Jurrjens?
Go Pirates!!!
by cool hand Charlie on Apr 27, 2008 1:32 PM EDT 0 recs
Baker
He’s turned the corner, no two ways about it. His fastball has good movement and he’s finally down in the strike zone and he has 90% better command of the slider. I was really down on Baker the last two years but I have to say right now he looks like the real deal, a solid #2.
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women and Irish Whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
by strums on
Apr 27, 2008 10:16 PM EDT
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Jurrjens
Buy
Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball
by Yakker on
Apr 29, 2008 2:52 PM EDT
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Cabrera
The two posts knocking him (one calling him a “big gorilla”??) haven’t seen him this year obviously. If you think he won’t be good, that’s your opinion which you are entitled to. But to say he’s “never going to change” when it’s already clear he’s a completely different pitcher this year just shows you haven’t seen the guy.
Improved in each of his starts from the 2nd game of the season to now. New delivery, new repertoire, new pitching coach, new mentality, new attitude new gameplan, better movement on pitches, better awareness etc. You don’t have to buy, but if you don’t already see changes in this guy from last year, you obviously have been watching period.
by cowboy4eva on Apr 27, 2008 2:02 PM EDT 0 recs
re:
I’ve always liked Baker, but I’d wait and see what the groin injury is all about.
Owings had looked good until yesterday when he decided to lob 87MPH straight fastballs up there all day and then proceeded to twist his ankle on his third hit of the day. Overall I like him, but again, I’d wait and see what the injury results are before making a move.
Jurrjens is a high risk medium reward type. There are a lot of guys I like better, but a lot I don’t like as much. In my league he seems to be overvalued right now, but I could just as easily see him being undervalued in some leagues.
by rwperu34 on Apr 27, 2008 2:20 PM EDT 0 recs
Greg Smith
Smith isn’t 2.88 era in the AL good, but the peripherals are right in line with his minor league numbers. K rate a little low, but k/bb, h/ip, doesn’t give up a ton of homers, and of course he’s a lefty. He should have some rougher outings once they get the hang of him, but he could end up with an Andy Pettitte-esque career. Could. i think it is clear he has been vastly underrated. 3.27 e.r.a., 7.8 ks, 8.1 hits, 2.7 walks, 1.19 whip, 3.27 in his minors career. Sure, only 5.85 k rate in AAA, in 50+ innings last year. That matches his majors record roughly of 5.7 in a tiny smaple. But he was at 5.7 in his first stop at AA, one year out of college, but his next stint there, last year, his k rate was 8.
Of coyurse, i have never seen him pitch. Maybe he is an extreme soft tosser. But his peripherals look ok to pretty good all the way through the Pac Coast League and the major leagues.
by wobatus on Apr 27, 2008 3:13 PM EDT 0 recs
Amazing Splits
Has anyone seen Ervin Santana’s career home/away splits? This is probably the most amazing stat differential I have ever seen.
Home: 3.08 ERA, 1.16 WHIP
Away: 6.85 ERA, 1.59 WHIP
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Apr 28, 2008 12:50 AM EDT 0 recs
cabrera
I saw him. Saw him pitch well against the Yankees. He pitches a few good games or goes through a decent stretch every year. I doubt he finishes with an e.r.a of lower than, say, 4.25. OK, but not awesome. 7 walks is 7 walks.
by wobatus on Apr 29, 2008 7:03 AM EDT 0 recs
re: cabrera
No doubt about it, walks are walks but if you’ve seen them in the past you know that’s what has killed him. Yesterday he gave up a solo homerun as the only run he gave up when he was on the mound.
He’s never in his career had 5 “quality starts” in a row, he completed that yesterday.
27 innings, 14K, 12 walks, 2.33 ERA, 1.19 WHIP in his last 4 starts including yesterday.
by cowboy4eva on Apr 29, 2008 8:34 AM EDT 0 recs
Cabrera
Man, so hard tro keep going back to this thread. wish one could bump it up.
Anyway, that’s a good stretch. Albeit, 4 bb per 9 in his BEST career streak isn’t great. Yet a lot came yesterday, 7 in 6 1/3rd. You said coniditons were poor. Nevertheless, if that is what is suposed to cause the improvement, better control, then not a great sign. Still, he is hard to hit.
I await further data, but he is avaliable in my league. So is Greg Smith, Lohse, Silva, Burres, Floyd, Maholm…
I likeSmith best because, as a rookie, I can kinda see some upside, or rather, if he is just slightly worse tha thus far, he’s very good. Lohse, Silva et al have track records.
Cabrera does have upside. Will keep watching him.
Jeter after his start against the yankees said you had to tip your cap to him, and to paraphrase, he said something like he always had great stuff, he just has to control it, and that night he controlled it.
BTW, on the Santana home-road split, that’s pretty impressive. Wandy Rodriguez has had some bad splits, but not quite that bad.
by wobatus on Apr 29, 2008 12:53 PM EDT 0 recs
Re: Ervin Santana
Disagree on him being a #2 the rest of the way. He’s drastically better this year than last year, but don’t let the ERA fool you. His FIP is .88 points higher at 3.35 (still awesome) and xFIP dislikes him more at 4.10 (still great). However, those two stats still reflect that of a #2.
But keep in mind the small sample size here. Nobody should be making any conclusions on these numbers; just picking up clues and thinking about them. However, unless he learns Schilling-like command from his teammate Weaver, I still don’t see him becoming a #2. He’s primarily a 2-pitch starter and doesn’t change speeds as well as most #2s out there. If he keeps this up he’s still a fantastic #3 and very young, so there will be time to develop into a #2.
by elrey34 on May 2, 2008 9:19 PM EDT 0 recs







