OT: 2008 NFL Draft
As you may know the NFL Draft is today and obviously Jake Long is the first overall pick.
Personally, I don't like teams drafting offensive lineman that early especially for the first pick unless, he's a HOF.
As a Eagle fan I hope they draft a reciever for once. I understand that the WR coe in this draft isn't strong but I would be happy if they draft that reciever form MichiganState.
PS: Darren McFadden is the best player in the draft, the best RB in years, and I feel that people will be very sorry not to draft this guy. Yeah, he has makeup problems but some those problems have blown out of proportions.
Discuss about the draft here.
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McFadden
Best RB in years? I think he’s good, but not that good.
by supermets on Apr 26, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Best RB since last year.
Adrian Peterson is the best RB in a very, very long time.
by BlackOps on Apr 26, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chiefs are having a hell of a draft.
Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.
by doublestix on Apr 26, 2008 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Adrian Peterson was kinda good last year
Accidentally not thedude925 anymore. I do hate this new name.
by wildthang on Apr 26, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cowboys are idiots for drafting Jones
Replacing on crappy Jones with another crappy Jones with Mendenhall on the board.
by Bravesin07 on Apr 26, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MBIII
they dont need another runner like Mendenhall, since they have MBIII who is a freaking beast.
Carlos Quentin's time has arrived.
by Team Moneyball on Apr 26, 2008 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
That was the big knock on Mendenhall. He always looks to bounce the play outside and doesn’t run between the tackles very well. He would have been a perfect change of pace for the Cowboys. But since I hate the Cowboys, I’m ecstatic that they made the dumb pick and went with the Arkansas kid instead, thereby placating their dumbass owner.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Apr 26, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see I think it is funny
that Dal, of course, picked the Ark guy but that doesn’t make it a bad pick.
Felix Jones is a ridiculously talented runner. Hes no bad pick
by nms on Apr 27, 2008 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could care less about the NFL Draft, the MLB Draft yes.
by bikerider60 on Apr 26, 2008 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
I think the Dolphins did the right thing. The shelf life of a good O-Lineman is like 10 years – whereas it’s like half that for a good runningback. Plus they have hella holes and RB is not one of them. Similar thoughts for both STL and ATL – I just don’t think you build around a RB in the NFL anymore.
That said, I think McFadden fell into a pretty sweet situation. If Justin Fargas and Lamont Jordan can be decent at times, I think McFadden could be very good at times. I also think Jones was a good draft by the Cowboys. They need a HR threat and Felix is definitely that. They need to stick him at KR and split him out for some screen passes and he will be very useful – though probably not an NFL star.
All in all a pretty good draft for most teams IMO…
by Dfarth on Apr 26, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dorsey....
Easily the best player in the draft. Probably the best candidate to come in next season and be an immediate regular and game changer. I like Run DMC, but if given the choice, I take Dorsey without a moment’s hesitation. He was the best player in college football last year, but didn’t get recognized as such since there is an unwritten rule that Heisman winners must be offensive players (and yes, I know Woodson won it, but he also saw time as a receiver and return man), Dorsey had no chance.
As I said, I like McFadden, but he IS NOT the best RB to come out of the draft in years. Just last year we had Adrian Peterson, a few years before that there was Larry Johnson, and a little before that there was Tomlinson (another player who dropped to the #5 pick even though he was the best player in the draft that year too).
I liked the choices that Miami and Green Bay did picking the two QBs. Rogers and Beck are not sure things, bring in competition and back-up plans. I didn’t like Baltimore’s pick at QB. When will teams learn not to trust these Combine QBs? Every year there are QBs that you never heard about for 3 or 4 years that make a sudden name for themselves with a strong arm, or a quick release. And rarely do these players pan out. Pick the guy who has been playing against top notch competition and succeeded (like Brohm and Henne). You would think that Baltimore would have learned after the Boller Experiment. Most big time pros went to big time schools where they put up big time numbers. Sure there are exceptions (Rice and Payton) but for the most part, it’s a smart move to draft the solid player. When those players are transitioning to the pro game, it’s easier for them because the change in Game Speed isn’t as drastic. Ask any NFLer and most will say that was the hardest part when they came in, the faster speed that everything happens. Who is more equipped to make that transition, a Big 10 QB who competed for National Championships, or some D2 QB that didn’t play any real competition until they got spanked by 4 TDs by Appy State?
As for my Seahawks, I am not too pleased with their drafting so far. We had three DEs already, and didn’t need to draft a 4th in the first round. And if you are going to trade up for a player, don’t take one who would have been there later. There were better choices. But, if they can get a back-up QB, another WR, and a Kicker on Day 2, it will help ease my pain.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
by Boxkutter on Apr 27, 2008 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and plenty of good pros went to more out of the way colleges
Joe Flacco is not some “combine wonder”. He has been a stud college quarterback for awhile now.
He has a great arm, good mobility and showed he can run an offense and put up great numbers. What is the complaint?
ONly big ten/big 12/ect players can become good NFLers?
That is some non sense
The last two I-AA QBs to go in the first round were Steve McNair and Phil Simms… Some death sentance being a i-aa QB is..
If it make you feel any better Flacco was originally a Pitt (thats a BCS conf team) QB but transferred out (like Akron’s Luke Getsy did), due to a logjam
“Who is more equipped to make that transition, a Big 10 QB who competed for National Championships, or some D2 QB that didn’t play any real competition until they got spanked by 4 TDs by Appy State?”
Well, that Big 10 QB who competed for Championships also got spanked by App State.
And Joe Flacco came alot closer to being a D-I nat champ than Henne ever did.
Plenty of I-AA players have shown they can play in the NLF
by nms on Apr 27, 2008 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in short
I think it is completely bogus to call a pick a bad one when the only negative the player has is the school he played for. That is “evaluating” the playe without looking at him individually at all. That is ridiculous
by nms on Apr 27, 2008 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
more I-AA NFLers
Michael Roos, now the 3rd highest paid tackle in the league
Michael Straham, no need to explain who he is
Hugh Douglas, pro-bowl pass rusher. Actually I think he might have played NAIA ball,, even lower level ball
Jerry Rice,
Dexter Coakley, long time Dallas Cowboys LB
Drayton Florence, starting CB for Chargers last year
Wayne Chrebet, longtime Jets standout WR
Brad Hoover, good RB/FB for the Panthers for several years
the list goes on and on
by nms on Apr 27, 2008 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah....
So two QBs that went to D2 schools that got drafted in the first round have made it… in the past 30 years. Not exactly a trend. Sure, not many have been picked that high and failed either… because they weren’t picked. There is a reason you usually don’t pick D2 QBs in the first round, and it’s the same reason they are D2 QBs… they aren’t as good. I don’t care if Flacco went to Pitt first, he still wasn’t good enough to play for them. If I go to Rucker Park and try to shoot hoops with those guys, and they stick me on the bleachers, but then, I go to a second rate park and do well… does that all of a sudden make me a good player because I outclassed lower competition?
McNair is an exception… but not for me, for you. If Flacco was such a great player we would have been hearing about him all year. We did with McNair. How many records did McNair break in college football? We saw highlights of him every Saturday night his senior year because he was that good. There was a movement to try to get Alcorn State into a Bowl Game that year because he would bring money in, but the NCAA denied it because you must beat six D1 schools to earn a Bowl Game berth. McNair wasn’t a Combine QB… he was good, real good, in college. He wasn’t some no name kid who all of a sudden got hyped after throwing some passes in Indianapolis in front of coaches with no pads and no real defense.
Flacco may turn out to be a decent NFL QB, but I would bet against it. If I am Baltimore I take someone else with that pick and then take a player like Henne or Brohm (both of whom were actually good enough to play D1 football, and didn’t have to drop down a level to get playing time) later in the draft. And saying Flacco was closer to a D1 National Championship than Henne was is just ridiculous. Was Flacco ever 3 points away from an undefeated D1 season and a BCS Championship Game Berth? No… because he only threw 4 passes in D1. Baltimore did this same thing with Kyle Boller a few years ago (although, to be fair, you actually heard Boller’s name during the college season)... he came into the combines and threw 60 yards from his knees. Scouts were impressed, hype was given, Boller was drafted…. but at least Boller played real competition in college. The way I see it, if a player has to get his hype during the combines, and not while actually playing football, that says a lot about the player.
It may have seemed I was dogging on D2 players in my original post, but that came out wrong. I have no problem with D2 players, there are lots of good ones. But the thing is, you hear about the good ones during the season. We never heard shit about Flacco until AFTER his senior year. It’s not like he went into his senior year with a lot of hype (understandable after his 2700 yard and 18-10 TD-INT ratio his junior year). He became a first round pick in the combines. He wasn’t tearing it up and drawing rave reviews all season long. And there is a reason for that, his stats, while impressive, aren’t anything special from a Shotgun QB (and if you don’t believe me, take a look at Colt Brennan’s numbers… those are special). Brennan has the performance, but not the “tools”. Flacco has the “tools” but not the performance. I don’t think either are worth a 1st round pick in the NFL Draft. And Baltimore should know better after they screwed up by taking a Combine Tools QB just a few years ago.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
by Boxkutter on Apr 27, 2008 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
I’m sorry, but whatever.
Just because you never heard of someone doesn’t mean they aint good.
Flacco was a stud QB long before the combine. If you didn’t realize that, that is your fault… not any lacking of any player.
And Flacco damn sure has tools and performance
That is one of the worst cases I have ever heard made
by nms on Apr 27, 2008 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Non-BCS school quarterbacks
Most big time pros went to big time schools where they put up big time numbers.
Looking at the 2007 season leaderboard, there are an awful lot of quarterbacks who didn’t play for big-time programs:
Ben Roethlisberger, Miami (Ohio)
David Garrard, East Carolina
Tony Romo, Eastern Illinois
Brett Favre, Southern Mississippi
Jeff Garcia, San Jose State
Chad Pennington, Marshall
Jon Kitna, Central Washington
by jonk1982 on Apr 27, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re:
Hmmm… that was supposed to be a reply to the above thread. Not sure why it didn’t go there.
by jonk1982 on Apr 27, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difference....
there is a big difference between those players and Flacco. They had a much nicer resume when they were drafted… if they were drafted.
Roethlisberger – 1st round – 3 year starter at a D1 college.
David Garrard – 4th Round – 3 1/2 year starter at a D1 college.
Romo – Undrafted – 3 year starter (maybe 4?) at a D2 college.
Favre – 2nd round pick – 4 year starter in at a D1 college.
Garcia – Undrafted – 5 years in the CFL and can’t find out how much playing time he got in college.
Pennington – 1st round – 4 year starter (3 years Marshall was D1, his freshman year they were D2).
Kitna – Undrafted – Looks like he started 3+ years at a D2 college and had one year in the WLAF.
Gannon – 4th round pick that New England wanted to convert to DB.
Flacco was a two year starter at D2. Teams had a lot more tape on each of the above QBs. Roethlisberger is the only one who came in and made an immediate impact. Favre and Pennington did very quickly also, but Romo and Garrard didn’t become usable for several seasons (Romo was nothing for 3 years before getting his shot, and Garrard was in his 5th season when he started to get lots of PT due to injury). Kitna and Garcia had to play elsewhere first, and Gannon was a long time journeyman before finding a long term job.
With the exception of Big Ben and Pennington, teams did not invest a lot into these guys until they were proven. And Ben and Chad were both outstanding college QBs who were being mentioned as 1st round QBs for a season or two before the draft finally happened. Investing the type of money that Flacco is going to get I think is a mistake for someone with so many questions. Sure some good NFL QBs (and maybe the greatest?) came from smaller schools… but how many more come from larger programs?
Peyton Manning – Tennessee (Superbowl MVP)
Eli Manning – Ole Miss (Superbowl MVP)
Tom Brady – Michigan (2 time Superbowl MVP)
Brad Johnson – Florida State (Superbowl Winner)
Matt Leinart – USC (BCS Champion)
Joey Harrington – Oregon
Troy Smith – The Ohio State University (BCS Champion)
Rex Grossman – Florida (Starting Superbowl QB)
Carson Palmer – USC
Derek Anderson – Oregon State
Brady Quinn – Notre Dame (Granted… jury is still out on him)
Jay Cutler – Vanderbilt
Matt Schaub – Virginia
Brodie Croyle – Alabama
Damon Huard – Washington
Drew Brees – Purdue
Mark Brunell – Washington
Kellen Clemens – Oregon
Jamarcus Russell – LSU
Donovan McNabb – Syracuse (Starting Superbowl QB)
AJ Feeley – Oregon
Phillip Rivers – NC State
Matt Hasselbeck – Boston College (Staring Superbowl QB)
Marc Bulger – West Virginia
Trent Green – Indiana
Brian Griese – Michigan (Led the NFL one year in QB Rating)
Chris Simms – Texas
Kerry Collins – Penn State
Vince Young – Texas (BCS Champion)
Jason Campbell – Auburn
Now several QBs may come from smaller schools…. but I like my chances with a QB who at least played Division 1 football if I am going to invest a 1st round pick and 1st round money into them.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
by Boxkutter on Apr 27, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh
you just listed ALOT of guys who are NOT good NFL QBs.. at least not yet (Russell, Lienart, Simms, TROY SMITH?, Clemens, Young). And no one is saying that BCS kids can’t play QB. Everyone knows that, That list is the biggest “duh” out there.
The point is that other guys can do it too.
The only reason Flacco didn’t have another years starting at Delaware was that, unusually, Pitt wouldn’t release him and that made him sit out and burn a year of elig.
by nms on Apr 27, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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