Evans, Murphy, and Carp
The Mets currently have three 1st base types hitting the cover off the ball in AA.
Mike Carp: .420/.461/.691
Carp was a "prospect" a few years ago who had a lost 2007 due to hand related injuries. In A+ ball, he showed some power and ability to take walks at the age of 20. His main problem was an inability to hit lefties, leading him to max out at platoon player status.
Dan Murphy: .398/.441/.530
I know virtually nothing about Murphy, to be honest. Scouts keeping talking up his tools but I haven't seen anything in his past stats to suggest a breakout.
Nick Evans: .338/.376/.597
Evans, in my mind, is the right handed version of Carp. Very similar stats at A+ although Evans was a year older at that stage.
Now, none of these guys were particularly great prospects coming in but considering the fact the Mets are in dire need of a 1st baseman, do any of these guys have a future?
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Carp Alert.
Carlos Delgado Sucks. There has been a lot of talk of promoting Carp, but I wouldn’t do it unless you have a right handed platoon partner for him. Say Moises Alou?
by Duece on Apr 25, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would Platoon Moises Alou?
Remember: baseball guys... baseball...
by Metty5 on Apr 25, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alou
Plus, why would you want Alou to play infield? He’s injury prone enough as it is, you want to see him stretch for a throw?
by Lunkwill Fook on Apr 25, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carp
Carp is hitting lefties at a .424/.441/.747 clip so far in 33 AB so far. Of course, some flukey things can happen in 33 AB’s, but perhaps most impressively is he’s only struck out 3 times in those AB’s which to me says that he hasn’t been overmatched at all really. So the needing a platoon partner talk seems to be extremely overrated. He’s been playing 1B/LF for Binghamton so far.
Murphy and Evans’ numbers at first glance would seem to indicate platoon partners, as they’re only hitting one side of the plate with power, but it’s in the opposite way as you would normally expect (Murphy (L) is Crushing LHP but only hitting singles off of RHP and Evans® is Crushing RHP but only hitting singles off of LHP), and their 2007 numbers directly contradict what they’ve done so far in 2008 where they showed XBH power against their achilles heel so far. So for now I’m going to chalk that up to early season numbers fluke. If it doesn’t correct itself though I would be suprised. They’ve both played 3B/1B/LF so far.
I’m not advanced enough in scouting, but the consensus was that Murphy has one of the best swings in the system and probably the best Defensive tools of the 3 but is really still learning how to play the position. Carp and Evans both show the best power potential out of the bunch. Despite all playing at the same level, Carp is the furthest along as he is repeating the league, so it’s likely that he gets the first crack at AAA and eventually the big leagues.
by adropofvenom on Apr 25, 2008 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
none of these guys will be as good as Delgado
Heading into 2008, I basically agree with the general consensus opinion on these guys. Evans is slightly better than Carp. Evans has more power (ISO .187 to .165), strikes out less (20% of his AB vs. 24%), but Carp has a better eye (.098 to .069).
Going into tonight’s action, Murphy has exactly 666 career minor league at-bats, so he’s basically screwed. He has really good contact rates (struck out in only 12% of his professional at-bats), but only slugged .485 in college, so unless he’s gotten stronger, he’s probably a little light for a corner spot.
So far in 2008, Carp is repeating the level, so he should show some improvement, despite his injury last season. He’s cut down on his strikeouts dramatically (14% vs. his career average of 24%). He’s shown steady improvement in that area for the past few seasons, so perhaps this is a positive thing for him. He’s currently carrying an unsustainable BABIP of .446. His career BABIP is .317. I also agree that 33 at-bats is a small sample size to judge his improvement vs. LHP.
Evans is right around his established career norms as far as plate discipline, but he’s also carrying a BABIP of .383, 81 points higher than his career .302 mark.
I just think when you’re striking out roughly 20% of the time, and walking roughly 10% of the time in Double-A, it’s going to tough to be a major-league regular. I think it’s worth pointing out, however, that these guys are only 21 and could conceivably improve their skills.
If Murphy’s improvement is real, he might have a shot, but probably not this season.
I think the most likely scenario for the Mets is a trade. I’m mildly surprised they didn’t take a flyer on Dan Johnson.
by El Duq of Hurl on Apr 25, 2008 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
eh..about Dan Johnson
if your problem is crap hitting at 1b, another crap hitter isn’t going to help things
by nms on Apr 26, 2008 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
The Mets havn’t had a chance to claim Johnson on waivers yet.
The A’s waived him and the D-Rays had first pick on the waiver wire.
Of course now that the D-Rays have waived him we will see who, if anyone, picks him and if the Mets had a shot at him this time
by nms on Apr 26, 2008 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleared waivers
Johnson cleared waivers and is on his way to Durham.
"You're a terrible ballplayer, but you've always been a great asshole."-salb918 on Ozzie Guillen
by gatling on Apr 26, 2008 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evans, Carp, and Murphy; I've seen all three
Evans – narrowly my favorite right now. Good defender at 1B, good plate coverage, tough to jam. Not a lot of loft in his swing right now, so may be a bit underpowered at 1B. But still some room to get stronger. I think Austin Kearns is a decent comp for what I expect he’ll be as a hitter. Kearns had a lot more SO, but also more power in the lower minors. Evans’s strikeouts will probably increase some as he hits for more power. But I’d like him to keep doing what he’s doing for now. His ratios of 1 SO per 6.9 PA and 1 BB per 8.3 PA last season were outstanding for a guy with good power. But 1 XBH per 10.7 PA last season was a bit low to be a really “top” prospect. Especially at 1B.
Carp – More loft in his swing right now than Evans, more over the fence power, and 5 months younger. That might indicate a higher ceiling than Evans and you could argue he should rank higher. But maybe a couple of more question marks as well. While he was hampered by a mid season finger injury in 2007, the Mets thought he struggled on his return in part because he let his conditioning lapse during the 6 week layoff. He also struggled against some of the better pitching, as well as lefties, and the Mets thought he didn’t handle the adversity well. The Mets did not extend a spring training camp invite this year (after inviting him in 2007) in part to send a message. The Mets apparently believe he has the talent to be a starter in MLB, but they also won’t be handing a job in NY to a player if there are any doubts about work his ethic, conditioning, or ability to handle adversity. So far he seems to have responded this season. Also needs to continue to show improved XBH ability, after averaging only 1 per 13.7 PA over the last 2 seasons.
Murphy – Smart hitter. Quick short swing, very nice approach. I don’t think his ceiling is quite as high as the other two. Defensively, he was very raw, making 35 errors last season at 3B. He really wasn’t a 3B until he split time his Sophmore college season between there and LF. So perhaps he could improve some with more experience and work. Tools are still better than say, Andy Wilson’s were, but I still think he looks more like a good bench player. I think the bat is good enough to still hit some at higher levels. Think of a bench guy somewhere between say, Eric Valent and Dave Magadan.
I wouldn’t pay too much attention to the BABIP stuff, that’s more useful for pitchers. Hitters have too much persistent variance in BABIP ability to say how much is luck not skill. I would keep an eye on the XBH rates. Carp is at 1 per 7.15 PA so far this season and Evans 1 per 7.4 PA. If they just keep those rates under 1 per 9 over the next 300 PA both will be pretty good prospects (I’m not expecting either to be really elite). XBH aren’t usually luck. If you took 7 singles away from Carp this year, giving him a more typical BABIP around .310, he’d still have a .942 OPS.
by acerimusdux on Apr 26, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think these guys
would almost never be talked about if they didn’t play for NY teams.
by nms on Apr 26, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True - a few other hot bats
They deserve some attention (esp. Carp) for their hot start, but probably not more so than guys like Chris Davis, Luke Hughes, Mat Gamel, Gaby Sanchez, Bryan Anderson….
by acerimusdux on Apr 27, 2008 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap
Who cares what you think about NY prospects? I thought it might be interesting because all three were particularly hot, one used to be an upper level prospect, and the Mets are showing a lack of talent at 1st base. No one said these guys are better than other teams’ prospect. The point was whether these guys were in a position to help the Mets down the road considering the teams current whoas.
You know what, there is some New York bias in the media and fans. But there’s also an anti-New York bias in the same media and fans and you guys are beautiful examples of said bias.
by Lunkwill Fook on Apr 27, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucas Duda?
How about him? Great line at St. Lucie so far (.337/.407/.455, 2 HR, 19 RBI)....
He is not young for the league (22), but did skip Low-A ball. He was also impressive in the HWL.
The power could be better, but the FSL is generally considered a pitchers league…
Can’t say I’ve heard anything about his glove…
by MetfanBren on Apr 29, 2008 2:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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