Santana trade early assesment

by Bravesin07 on Apr 23, 2008 4:59 AM EDT

Gomez- .236 .250 .300 2/24 BB/K 9 steals. Can't hit but can field and run, looks like Gary Pettis number 2 to me which is a 4th or 5th outfielder in today's game.

Mulvey-Looks very sharp so far and could be a Blanton or possibly even another John Maine.

Humber-Garbage, long relief swingman.

Guerra-Too early to tell but looks good so far.

Smith for the Twins is a true idiot for not taking the Redsox package because they could be in 1st if they took the Ellsbury package.

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Obviously the Twins themselves aren’t going to be evaluating their returns from the trade for years down the line, so I’m not quite sure what value there is in us doing it like 2 weeks into the first season after the trade . . .

But I’ll play along. Gomez is as advertised (raw but toolsy and not without the promise of turning into a useful OF one day). Mulvey looks fine. Humber is scuffling but I don’t think the forecast has changed, a decent back of rotation guy or a middle reliever. Guerra continues to show talent but needs a lot of work.

So nobody seems to have suddenly fallen off a cliff since the trade and most importantly, nobody’s gotten hurt. 2 weeks into the trade, that’s about all one can ask for, isn’t it?

by mrkupe on Apr 23, 2008 10:31 AM EDT reply actions

Not clear on this

We have no evidence that the rumors surrounding a Red Sox deal at the winter meetings have any basis in fact. Names were exchanged. Medical files were exchanged. The Red Sox made no formal offer. Some info has been leaked since that suggesting that the Sox were willing to offer Ellsbury or Lester and Masterson or Lowrie, but not three of them. We just don’t know what the Red Sox were willing to offer because, before they got a chance to make a formal offer, Hank scuttled any deal at the winter meetings with his tampering.

The only thing we do know is that the Twins did better than they would have done if they had hung onto Santana and let him walk. They got essentially three high first rounders and a high second rounder for Santana. If Guerra and Gomez had gone to high school in the states, they would have been high first rounders. Humber was a number 3 overall pick. And Mulvey was a high second round pick. If Santana walks, they’re looking at one low first rounder and a sandwich pick, assuming the team that signs him is winning team. The bonus is the guys they got will be ready when the core matures, rather than some years later.

As mrkrupe said, It’s way too early to evaluate the players in this deal based on stats. Humber was lights out in spring training. Perhaps he’s just going through dead arm right now. Mulvey has been consistently good. Gomez has shown flashes of brilliance and a propensity to strike out. Guerra is a work in progress who’s holding his own as an 18 year old in High A ball. I think you look more at tools for the last two than numbers. On that basis, I’d rather have Gomez and Guerra than two draft picks.

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by cmathewson on Apr 23, 2008 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

+1

The only offer we KNOW for sure was on the table, was the one from the Mets.

I don’t understand why people are quick to say that the Twins are idiots because they didn’t take package ABC… we don’t KNOW that was ever an option.

On a different subject, it seems to me that Hank was clearly crossing the lines into tampering. Whether it made a difference or not, who knows… however, in a case where tampering existed, what are the rules in MLB? And, what would be the practical consequences of pushing for that punishment? This question is more of a hypothetical case, not specifically with the Hank situation…

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by dbimberg on Apr 23, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions

Tampering

The Twins complained to the league office. I don’t know where that went. But according to the rules he was clearly tampering when he said he wouldn’t give up Kennedy or sign Santana to more than a five-year extension. The rules say you can’t talk about another player, particularly the contract side of things. I say he scuttled the deal because if he hadn’t said anything, the biding might have continued to escalate. As soon as he made those published comments, the Red Sox cooled on a possible deal. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

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by cmathewson on Apr 23, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Tampering Rule

Rule 3 (g) TAMPERING. To preserve discipline and competition, and to prevent the enticement of players, coaches, managers and umpires, there shall be no negotiations or dealings respecting employment, either present or prospective, between any player, coach or manager and any club other than the club with which he is under contract or acceptance of terms, or by which he is reserved, or which has the player on its Negotiation List, or between any umpire and any league other than the league with which he is under contract or acceptance of terms, unless the club or league with which he is connected shall have, in writing, expressly authorized such negotiations or dealings prior to their commencement.

It doesn’t sound to me like Hank did anything wrong – which is probably why MLB never did anything about it.

by Scott Proctor Fan Club on Apr 23, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions

re: early assesment

is what it is… an early assesment. Gomez is ‘toolsy’ yes, but he’s shown flashes of a potential star that could develop down the road. I’m not sure when the first valid assesment could take place… Way too early to pass judgement …

by river_cat28 on Apr 23, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions