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Whats the story with Homer Bailey right now.  While he has a 1.03 ERA through 4 starts he only has 16 ks in 26 innings.  That being said... his K/BB ratio is 4/1. 

what do these numbers say about Bailey's progress?  Can be succesfull in the Bigs without striking a bunch of guys out, will those K rates improve, and how has he actually looked this year? 

Any predictions based on his first couple of starts on what we could see from him in the near future?

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I’ve been high on Cueto since I first came across him last year. Volquez was an interesting acquisition and he could well pan out sooner rather than later. If Bailey can get his head together, that would give them three high-upside young arms in the rotation to go along with two established veterans (Harang as an ace and Arroyo as a middle-of-the-rotation type). That’s a heck of a starting staff!

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by ejruiz on Apr 20, 2008 6:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't drink the kool-aid

You realize that Dusty Baker is the manager, right?

Go Pirates!!!

by cool hand Charlie on Apr 20, 2008 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

re: Homer

I think they say he is refining his control and doing more “pitching” than “throwing”. Which IMO is a very good thing, we all know he has the stuff … what we haven’t known is if he can control it and not just try to blow it past everyone each time. I’d only be worried if his stuff isn’t as good now, which isn’t what anyone is saying. Also I believe he is working on a slider/cutter and of course his change, that all can factor into the lack of K’s as well. But it’s hard to complain when everything else he has done up to this point has been great.

by hybrid on Apr 20, 2008 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

ugh

Not sure how “they say” got in there after, I think … just ignore

by hybrid on Apr 20, 2008 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

yes Homer Bailey has completely lost the ability to strike out people

sound the alarms…. God forbid minor league players try to learn new pitches over the course of a season.

by daveh33 on Apr 20, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, God forbid

Yes, God forbid young pitchers try to learn a new pitch. With one of the best curve/fastball combinations coming out of college in history, Tim Lincecum developed a change up his first winter—and found that by the end of 2007 it was his most effective pitch. In his second winter, he developed a slider, which is now a fourth strikeout pitch for him.

The difference between Lincecum and Bailey (aside from age, which is two years in Homer’s favor) is that Lincecum immediately began to strike out batters with his new pitches and that Homer is presently showing better control than Tim.

I told John a year ago that he should move Tim above Homer (and Phil Hughes). If he doesn’t already agree with me, there will come a day when he does.

by sharksrog on Apr 20, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

im sure he does

Lincecum is ahead of them presently, yes im sure John is aware… Homer is still developing, im not sure what hughes is doing, but i was never a huge fan of his…

when pitchers with stuff of Lincecum and Bailey are learning, I dont question it.

before his start yesterday, how many K’s did Greinke have? not many. did it matter? not really, as he had a .75 ERA and 3 wins… interesting how he finally gave up a few runs yesterday, but struck out 6 in 5 IP

by daveh33 on Apr 20, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some nice points

Some nice points there, Dave. Personally I rank John’s “Big Three” from 2007 Lincecum, Hughes (despite his horrid start to 2008) and then Bailey.

Hughes and Bailey have the advantage of being a couple of years younger than Lincecum. Hughes has the clear advantage in control. Lincecum seems top have the most stuff of the group, and has actually added two strikeout pitches (change up and slider) more or less at the major-league level. Lincecum is the one who draws the most concern about being injured, but he is actually the one who has been least injured (as in never a sore arm or any perceived need to ice his arm). Lincecum is the guy who two years ago comfortably threw long toss from foul pole to foul pole after his 146th pitch the previous day had been clocked at 95 mph.

Bailey has shown the most control of the three this season and seemingly is developing his secondary, tertiary and perhaps beyond pitches. Lincecum already has four strikeout pitches somewhat proven at the major league level. Lincecum has also shown considerable improvement in his control this season and is now using all four pitches to both lefties and righthanded hitters.

I’m not sure WHAT is wrong with Hughes, but I expect him to bounce back strongly. Keep in mind that less than a year ago he was pitching a no-hitter in one of his first major league starts when he unfortunately injured his groin (IIRC).

What is so exciting about Lincecum is that he has pitched so well despite averaging a hit per inning—which is likely at least 20% more hits than he will average in the long run. Batters are having a hard time making great contact against him, and many of the hits he has yielded have been ground balls up the middle or bloopers between the infield and outfield. The only ball hit extremely hard against Tim came on James Loney’s second double off Tim in Tim’s first game (He actually relieved due to the uncertainty developed by inclement weather.) of the season. And that ball was SMOKED to the track in right center. But Loney’s other double came on a flair to the left field line. Loney actually did a very nice job on that pitch, which was low and outside.

But Tim has yet to yield a homer or even a triple. Each one of the six hits he gave up in Saturday’s win over the Cardinals was a single.

Tim’s key strikeout of Albert Pujols in Saturday’s game was a nice indication of just how well he his pitching. He gave up a bouncer up the middle and a line drive single to left to start the inning. Then he missed in the dirt with a fastball to Albert, threw a beautiful curve that it appeared the umpire missed for ball two, missed with another curve for 3-0, then threw a called strike fastball, a called strike curve and then got Albert to fish on a curve ball in the dirt for strike three.

When the runners advanced to second and third on the ball in the dirt, Tim then struck out the dangerous Rick Ankiel on a slider before getting Todd Walker on a ground ball up the middle to end the inning unscathed.

I haven’t yet charted the game, so it may be that one or more of the “curves” to Albert Pujols that I mentioned was actually a slider. That is the pitch Tim developed THIS winter.

Each of Tim’s five strikeouts came on breaking pitches, after the plurality of his 11 strikeouts of the Cards last Sunday came on his change (the pitch he developed the PREVIOUS winter).

I would love to have ANY of the trio of Lincecum, Hughes or Bailey. But given my choice, I would easily take Lincecum.

Regarding another point you made, Dave, strikeouts aren’t the only indication of how a pitcher pitched, but they do indicate dominance. A poor outing may result from poor location and/or poor luck even when the number of strikeouts is high. But if a guy’s ERA is rising despite his K/BB ratio remaining steady or hopefully even improving, I am less worried about him than if he is somehow not giving up many runs but is seeing his K/BB ratio deteriorate.

by sharksrog on Apr 21, 2008 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

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