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Bochy: Brian Bocock could be SF's Opening Day SS

This congers up memories of the White Sox bringing shortstop Mike Caruso all the way from Single-A to "The Show" in 1998, except Bocock will be a temp for two weeks.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8477368?source=most_viewed

Bochy said there's a "legitimate" chance minor league shortstop Brian Bocock could start on opening day and man the position until Vizquel returns in mid-April.

Bocock, who turned two double plays Thursday, is a playmaker with a strong arm and has gotten plenty of time this spring; he also hasn't slouched at the plate, hitting .333 with one strikeout in 16 at-bats despite never playing above A-ball.

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Bocock To Start In San Francisco?

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=780

Posted Mar. 8, 2008 1:41 pm by Ben Badler
Filed under: Daily Dish

Baseball America correspondent Andy Baggarly reports that Giants manager Bruce Bochy said there is a "legitimate" chance that he might use Brian Bocock as his starting shortstop on Opening Day.

"We're looking for a strong defensive team," Bochy said. "That's the direction we want to go - pitching and defense."

With Omar Vizquel out for the beginning of the season due to knee surgery, Bocock could end up as the surprise starter at shortstop. Bocock, the No. 11 prospect in the Giants system, hit just .220/.293/.328 with 105 strikeouts in 398 plate appearances last year in the hitter-friendly high Class A California League after going .292/.354/.379 in 178 plate appearance with low Class A Augusta. While Bocock's bat appears to be far from major league-ready, he should at least provide the fielding skill that Bochy said the team will emphasize this year. Bocock, who turns 23 on Sunday, is a 65 runner on the 20-80 scouting scale, and managers voted him the best defensive shortstop in the California League last year.

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Fielding
I just have one question for Bochy and Brian Sabean:  If the Giants are emphasizing defense at the expense of all else, then whythehell didn't they re-sign Pedro Feliz who might be the best defensive 3B in the game?

by DrBGiantsfan on Mar 9, 2008 6:00 PM EDT   0 recs

The Giants reportedly did give him an offer
"An industry source told The Chronicle that Feliz's offer from the Giants was worth more than he will get from Philadelphia if the deal is formalized."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/29/SPGKUNQAS.DTL

by sdbaseballfan on Mar 9, 2008 6:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Option
I think the sticking point was that Philly is giving him a team option with something like an 800K buyout for the third year which the Giants weren't willing to do.  Could be wrong on this, it seems I read this somewhere.

by DrBGiantsfan on Mar 9, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe
Feliz just wants to play for a contender

by nms on Mar 9, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Possibly
From everything I read, Pedro really did want to stay, but was adamant about a 3 year contract even if it was for less money.  Sabean sure picked a funny time to hold the line on that one, but he was just as adamant about not going over two.  The Phils came in and split the difference and got the dubious honor of signing Happy Pete.

by DrBGiantsfan on Mar 9, 2008 9:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow
this guy couldn't handle high A pitching half a year ago.  He would have to play SS and 2B at the same time to make up for how bad he will be at the plate.

by nyy601 on Mar 9, 2008 6:09 PM EDT   0 recs

Caruso
was the toughest player to walk in 1998, 555 AB and 14 BB. Interestingly enough, he hit .306 with 5 HR, 55 RBI, and 22 SB. Not bad for a high-A player (granted he hit .333 in hi-A, not .220).
Safe to say Caruso peaked at age 21, although he apparently decided to play some indy-ball last year after not being on the radar in 05 and 06.

Here is a link to a list of Dusty Baker's favorite players:
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/lists/toughbb.shtml

classy move Belichek...Quitter

by jrose643 on Mar 9, 2008 6:48 PM EDT   0 recs

You Mean....
Cody "Rancid"?  The guy who cost the Giants a playoff spot when he bobbled a grounder to SS in game #161 of the 2004 season to set up Steve Finley's GSHR?  I think most Giants fans would rather take their chances on Bocock.  LOL!

by DrBGiantsfan on Mar 9, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

OR
If Alou didn't bring in Wayne Franklin (who had a major gopher ball problem the year before with the brewers) and he didn't groove one to Finley...
I'm proud to have seen #756

by Azantor on Mar 9, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

is it that difficult for sabean
to find a SS/IF AAAA type  in or stuck down the depth chart?

just a few names...

barmes
quintanilla
murphy
petit
zobrist
adams
prado
gonzalez

by rayver723 on Mar 9, 2008 7:00 PM EDT   0 recs

Sabes prolly
knows this season is gonna suck anyway. Whats a AAAA SS gonna do for a couple weeks while Vizquel is out. Kinda re-arranging the deck chairs considering the Giants are gonna win 70 anyway.
And I'm a Giants fan.
Play Schierholtz SOMEWHERE, atleast see if they can develop a ML starter for the first time in 10 years.
classy move Belichek...Quitter

by jrose643 on Mar 9, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

a few of those guys
like Quintanilla and Prado and probably Donnie Murhpy, are not shortstops at all.

Plus the good ones from that much would cost a decent arm.  No one great but probably someone worth hanging on to.  That probably isn't worth it for a one-month solution.

Sabean is probably waiting to see who gets waived after spring

by nms on Mar 9, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bocock
He wasn't even on my top 100 SF Giants prospects. I don't care how wel he fields, he can't hit in signle A ball.

To view my top 98 prospects list, visit the "now fully constucted" www.fourthout.com

by SFG2008 on Mar 9, 2008 7:03 PM EDT   0 recs

uhh
hes certainly one of the best 100 minor leaguers the Giants have.  Not that hes any great shakes but 98 players is pretty much the full rosters of your lowA, highA, AA and AAA teams

by nms on Mar 9, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

but I do care somewhat
how you spell. Credibility.
classy move Belichek...Quitter

by jrose643 on Mar 9, 2008 9:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

This coming from you?
Don't make me start a poll on who has the worst sig, bc you would win in a landslide
classy move Belichek...Quitter

by jrose643 on Mar 10, 2008 7:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My straw reaches acroooooooss the room.
Did you think your song and dance and your superstition would help you, daveferno? I am the Third Revelation! I am who the Lord has chosen!

...oh, right, I drink your milkshake, blah blah drainage-cakes.

"...and the only things I've found better than listening to Vin Scully are listening to Keith Jackson and uncut cocaine." (bleedjaxblue)

by drjayphd on Mar 10, 2008 3:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't believe Sergio Romo didn't crack the list
Is his age that much of a turnoff? Don't like his stuff?

by sdbaseballfan on Mar 9, 2008 11:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Take heart
BA ranked him #28. I'm sure that's small consolation compared to being left off SFG2008's list, but it'll have to do.
FYI, BA seems to like him a fair bit considering he's a reliever who doesn't throw all that hard, but this year will basically be his make or break chance.
This is me being polite.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Mar 9, 2008 11:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

w/e
we all know the giants are gunna suck
Oakland A's 4 Life

by manny59 on Mar 9, 2008 9:24 PM EDT   0 recs

Oh Really?
Thanks for letting me in on that.

by DrBGiantsfan on Mar 9, 2008 9:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh yeah
the A's look great this year too
classy move Belichek...Quitter

by jrose643 on Mar 9, 2008 10:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Here is why
Here is why I think the Giants are going to use Brian Bocock as their starting shortstop until Omar Vizquel returns:

.  Vizquel is expected to return about a week into the season.

.  Bocock is considered by some to be the Giants' best shortstop defensively behind Vizquel himself.

.  If the Giants were to make Ivan Ochoa their shortstop (my choice), they would have to add Ivan to their 40-man roster.

.  The Giants likely don't want to risk injuring the confidence of their top shortstop prospect, Manny Burriss, the #33 overall draft pick in 2006.

.  Playing Bocock in the majors for a week or so gives the Giants extra time to decide if they will play Bocock or Burriss in AA to begin the season.  They might have enough time to play Burriss at least briefly there to see if he can seemingly handle skipping a level.  Last season he was unable to do so.

.  As Vizquel's return date moved up, it made less sense to force Kevin Frandsen to start at a position he clearly wasn't ready to handle.

.  While Charlie Culberson is a decent shortstop prospect and Nick Noonan a good second base/shortstop prospect, it likely wouldn't make sense to start either in the majors after only a partial season of rookie ball.

.  The Giants re-signed Vizquel rather than signing the much younger Juan Uribe or Adam Everett as free agents.

by sharksrog on Mar 9, 2008 10:39 PM EDT   0 recs

Burriss
Didn't Burriss get demoted last season to low A when he stunk up Hi A and Bocock got promoted in his place?
Both have shown they weren't ready for High A, the difference between them in this decision is that Burriss (#10 according to BA) isn't nearly the fielder that Bocock (#11 according to BA) is.
This is me being polite.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Mar 9, 2008 11:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes
Manny Burriss and Brian Bocock did indeed switch places after Manny struggled while opening the season at San Jose.  Bocock didn't hit as well in San Jose as he had in Augusta, but Manny seemed to find himself, at least average-wise.

Interestingly, even though Manny's batting average at Augusta was nearly twice as high as it was in San Jose, his line drive percentage was actually higher in San Jose.

It seemed as though a good part of Manny's greater success in Augusta than in San Jose came from his line drives falling in at a higher rate and his being able to beat out FAR more ground balls.  It is possible that Burriss actually hit the ball as well or even better in San Jose than in Augusta, although he clearly didn't get anywhere near the same results.

But given Manny's great speed, it may be that the ground balls he hit at San Jose (He beat out only one.) were hit harder, while he topped more balls in Augusta and used his speed to beat out double digit ground ball hits on the infield.

What discourages me about Manny isn't his time in San Jose.  It is that he has averaged only 1.18 bases per hit.  The only player I can find who averaged that few bases per hit in the low minors and went on to a long big league career was Jose Vizcaino, who was probably overrated by many of his managers and whose batting numbers were rather abysmal over his career, despite its longevity.

And Viz was a couple of years younger than Manny in the low minors -- and indeed was a major leaguer by the time he was Burriss's age.

I see 2008 as a key year for Manny.  He could easily fall from prospect to suspect if he doesn't hit well in at least AA this season.  He needs to start bumping up that meager 1.18 bases per hit.  With his speed, he should average that many merely by hitting the ball into the outfield on occasion.

by sharksrog on Mar 10, 2008 3:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Vizcaino vs Burriss
Vizcaino never had anywhere near the speed that Burriss has shown.

by DrBGiantsfan on Mar 10, 2008 9:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That is a good point
That is a good point, Dr.  But it cuts both ways.

That Manny has the better speed should certainly help him.  That his speed is WAY better means that he was almost certainly hitting the ball even more lightly than Vizcaino, even though Jose was younger at the time.

by sharksrog on Mar 11, 2008 2:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes
Yeah.  And I hope that you are right, Dr.  With the present Giants, I would like to be wrong most of the time.

by sharksrog on Mar 11, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

In fairness
In fairness, I should add that I hope you are right -- as you usually are.  I am happy I have you to give me some intelligent reasons to have slightly more hope for the Giants.

And I think Carlos Gomez, as well.  My initial reaction to the mechanics of Tim Alderson and particularly Madison Bumgarner weren't positive for such high draft choices.  But Carlos knows far more about mechanics than I, and his enthusiasm for both pitchers improved my own opinion of the Giants' draft.

I DID like the hitting mechanics of both Wendell Fairley and Nick Noonan when I saw them.  Not that the Giants could use more hitters.  :)

by sharksrog on Mar 11, 2008 4:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

haha
the a's at least look way better than the giants
which is pretty sad to say even after all the moves the a's made

i mean dont get me wrong
im from the bay area
i root for both teams

just saying the giants havent been fun to watch in awhile

bonds at least gave them something b4 with the hr's
now what

by manny59 on Mar 10, 2008 1:44 AM EDT   0 recs

Don't Be So Sure
Once the season starts, the A's pitching is going whither like green grass on the California hillsides in the summer sun.

by DrBGiantsfan on Mar 10, 2008 1:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

there is hope
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=2&articleid=30039&a mp;pg=2

Seven members of Oakland's top 10 came over in the Haren and Swisher deals. The guys who would have been ranked fourth through 10th previously now help comprise what is probably the best Nos. 11-20 of any team in baseball. 1B Sean Doolittle, RHP Andrew Bailey and OF Jermaine Mitchell would have cracked several top 10s. They're Nos. 16, 17 and 18 here. ... Herrera is falling out of the overall top 150, but there's still hope for him if he's willing to work harder and he has better luck with injuries. When it comes to ability, he isn't far behind Carlos Gonzalez. ... Smith, a product of the Haren trade, is a polished potential fourth or fifth starter. ... Rodriguez has the best stuff in the organization, though he still needs to learn how to pitch. He might end up as a closer. ... Powell seemed to be emerging as one of the game's better catching prospects before getting hurt yet again last year. This will be his age-26 season, so he desperately needs to put his physical problems behind him.

by rayver723 on Mar 10, 2008 2:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Gammons insider
Gammons
From one scout in Arizona: "The best young pitcher I've seen in two years out here is Oakland's Henry Rodriguez. He throws 98 with a devastating breaking ball." The 19-year old Venezuelan won't open the season with Oakland, but he will get there in a hurry if he stays healthy.

Billy Beane notes that Rich Harden, whose stuff is elite, is throwing as well as ever. Hey, if Harden is healthy and Gio Gonzalez is what he appears to be, why trade Joe Blanton? Beane may well wait.

by rayver723 on Mar 10, 2008 2:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rosenthal
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7890610/Dodgers-seeking-assistance-for-Nomar,-Kent

Just like the Twins, the A's might exceed expectations.

"I keep hearing both Bay Area teams are terrible," one rival GM says. "San Francisco, yes, but I think the A's could be better than people think."

The A's believe that, too, and GM Billy Beane clearly is enjoying the influx of youth created by his trades of Dan Haren, Nick Swisher and Mark Kotsay.

Left-hander Greg Smith, part of the A's six-player return for Haren, is drawing raves for his deception and savvy, and club officials envision three potential No. 3 hitters -- Travis Buck, Daric Barton and Carlos Gonzalez.

by rayver723 on Mar 10, 2008 2:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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