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Reds drop $2 million on 16-year-old

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/international-affairs/2008/265719.html

The international signing period is still four months away, but the Reds have already made a big splash in the Dominican Republic, giving a $2 million signing bonus to 16-year-old outfielder Juan Duran, a player who many thought would not be eligible to sign until July 2.

"We've scouted him extensively," Reds scouting director Chris Buckley said. "We had not thought he was eligible until this coming July 2. But we found out he was eligible, and when we did we were able to react. (Assistant general manager) Bob Miller and (director of Latin American scouting) Tony Arias deserve the credit on this one, because Bob was going over guys we were preparing for this year's signing period, and he said, 'You can sign this guy right now.'

"We did not know that, but when we found that out, we were able to go get him because of the work Tony has done. He compares favorably to this year's high drafts."

Players who are 16 years old are eligible to sign with major league teams during the international signing period, which lasts from July 2 to Aug. 31. Players who turn 16 years old during the international signing period are eligible to sign with teams on their birthdays.

Duran's birthday is Sept. 2, 1991, making him a 16-year-old who seemed to have barely missed the cutoff point to sign during last year's international signing period, and it appeared he would have to wait until the commencement of the 2008 period to sign. However, the rules state that for an international player to be eligible to sign, he must be 16 years old at the time of the signing and turn 17 years old by either Sept. 1 or by the end of his first professional season.

Players signed during the international signing period are not eligible to play that same year, so their first professional season comes the following calendar year. For example, a player signed during the 2007 international signing period would have his first professional season be the 2008 season.

The Reds realized that they could sign Duran if they assigned him to their 2008 roster in Billings in the Rookie-level Pioneer League, where the regular season ends on Sept. 5. Since Duran will turn 17 before the end of the 2008 Pioneer League season, he was eligible to sign before the 2008 international signing period and was eligible to sign back on his birthday last year.

One American League international scouting director said that he had Duran in for a workout as recently as last month.

"I think it caught everybody by surprise," he said. "Even his agents were promoting him as a July 2 guy. He really doesn't follow the July 2 cutoff for this year. I guess we all thought that, with the Sept. 1 cutoff in mind, we all figured he was eligible this year instead of last year."

Duran, who bats and throws righthanded and checks in at roughly 6-foot-6, 190 pounds, likely will not play a game this year in the PL, however, where at 16 years old he would be by far the youngest player in the league. The Reds cannot assign him to the Gulf Coast League, since the GCL season ends on Aug. 27, so sending him to the GCL would void his contract.

Buckley and Arias were both with the Blue Jays when the team drafted outfielder Alex Rios as an 18-year-old with the 19th overall pick in the 1999 draft.

"He compares favorably, only he's bigger and stronger at this age than Rios was," Buckley said. "He's more physical, and he has shown some of the same feel for hitting that Alex displayed.

"We don't have a second-round pick this year so we wanted to be creative and get more talent any way we can."

The $2 million bonus that Duran received was $500,000 more than the Red Sox gave to Dominican third baseman Michael Almanzar, who received the highest bonus of the 2007 international signing period. In 2006, the Giants gave Dominican first baseman Angel Villalona that year's top bonus at $2.1 million. It is the highest international bonus in Reds history, and tied for the third-largest signing bonus given to any player in club history.

Arias said that Duran was one of the Reds' top targets for July 2 before they realized within the last week that they could sign him.

"His body and offensive ability stick out like a sore thumb," Arias said. "In batting practice, he was just hitting them over the trees in our complex, hitting them out to center and right-center field. You can tell just tell from the way the ball jumps off his bat.

"I've never seen a 16-year-old with this type of ability. I talked to some people in the Dominican Republic who crossed paths with Vladimir Guerrero at that age, guys who have been scouting in the Dominican for more than 20 years, and they said they've never come into contact with a bat like this. He's got 80 power potential (on the 20-80 scouting scale) and just gets tremendous loft. In my opinion, in terms of his bat and his body, he's a better overall package than Angel Villalona. We wanted to change the perception in the baseball industry that Cincinnati is a cheap organization. We want to get back to being the Big Red Machine."

Another AL international scouting director said his team was also interested in Duran.

"We liked him," another AL international scouting director said. "We saw him as a corner outfielder, big, long-limbed, real bat potential. He's definitely a guy a lot of people liked."

One National League international scouting director compared Duran's body to that of a young Juan Gonzalez.

"He might end up being in center field because he's a plus runner. It's all going to come down to how big he gets and if he slows down," the scout said. "He's going to put on some weight, so whether he retains that speed will tell if he ends up at a corner.

"He's got some bat speed, and the power will come from the bat speed, but it all comes down to how thick he grows."

The same NL international scouting director also noted that Duran has been bothered by an elbow problem--which Arias said might have something to do with Duran having grown six inches in the past year--and that Duran only started throwing as far as 40 feet last month.

"He went to a tournament in Puerto Rico in the winter, and he didn't throw there. I saw him in February, and all he did was hit. I don't know what the up-to-date situation with his elbow is, but maybe they already checked him. Was he worth that kind of money? I guess he was to the Reds because they think he's an impact guy, but to me, I don't think so."
One AL international scouting director called him "one of those guys who don't come around very often."

"He's got all the tools," he said. "He's a pretty good player, very advanced for his age. I think it was a good investment. He's a good athlete, he has above-average power right now and he has a chance for 80 power (on the 20-80 scouting scale). He demonstrated every ability that you like to see in a kid. He's a very outgoing kid, good swing. There's no doubt about his approach, bat speed and power . . . he has all the common denominators you like to see, good balance, rhythm and a pretty good idea of what to do at the plate.

"If he has to go to a corner (outfield position), he certainly has the power to go there. But right now I'd give him every opportunity to play center field because he's light on his feet and has a good idea how to play out there. He's probably 6-foot-6, 195 pounds, somewhere in that area, so he could gain a whole 40 pounds with no problem. You look at this guy, and you hate to compare guys to major league players, especially at his age, but he could be a young Dave Winfield in the making."

I, for one, am shocked that the Reds were the ones to not only find this loophole, but also the ones to spend $2 million on a player. Hopefully it's the beginning of a significant trend, and either way, I'm pretty excited that the Reds have their own Villalona/Tabata/Martinez/Triunel type to overhype.

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Man..
They better hope he stops growing, 6'6" 190 is pretty damn big for a 16 year old.

by hybrid on Mar 4, 2008 6:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Can you imagine
a center fielder with 80 power who's over 6-foot-6 (he's not gonna stop growing any time soon)? I sure can't.

by elrey34 on Mar 4, 2008 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
I don't want anyone who resemble Richie Sexson on my team.  

by Snake the Jake on Mar 4, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if he bulks up
that's a HUGE power ceiling, tho
--http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Bobby Mcnally (alias) "Whatever the mind of man can conceive and believe, it can achieve."--Napoleon Hall

by bobbymcnally on Mar 4, 2008 7:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but
if he keeps growing, that's also a very difficult strikezone to manage.

by was385 on Mar 4, 2008 8:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he doesn't stop growing
can they trade him to the Cavaliers or Bulls?
gogotabata: "I'm like the biggest Walden fan around here (adult division)..."

by siddfynch on Mar 4, 2008 6:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Reds drop $2 million on 16-year-old
Making it rain?

...first thing I thought of when I read the title.

by Brett Keith on Mar 4, 2008 7:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That would have been awesome!
Like a hot dog.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Mar 4, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I blame Dusty!
I don't know why or for what, but I am sure he screwed up somewhere doing something. And actually I didn't even read the whole article, so maybe it mentions a mistake Dusty made.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Mar 4, 2008 7:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1
He's already really tall and he's only going to get taller. Players that tall are pitchers. I don't care if he has the potential to be a center fielder belting 40 bombs a year. He belongs on the mound!

by elrey34 on Mar 4, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Being that tall...
when he adds weight he will be sure to clog up the bases.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Mar 4, 2008 7:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My thought as well.
I don't see him being a plus runner if/when he adds to that frame. Forget center field -- adding enough muscle to hit for 80 power could make people wonder if he's fit to play the outfield at all. It screams first baseman.

by elrey34 on Mar 4, 2008 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty
It's a good thing he is so young and Dusty will be gone by the time he's ready for the big leagues. Otherwise, no matter how good he is, Dusty wouldn't play him!

by Jim Wiser on Mar 4, 2008 9:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah!!!
It will be the same thing he did to...

Or just like he refused to play...

by slurve on Mar 4, 2008 10:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is insane
6'6 at 16 and playing CF?  Something doesn't sound right.  Either his size, age or how they rate his defense has to be off.  This is definitely interesting though.

by jfish26101 on Mar 4, 2008 9:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

this is WAY intriguing
i like this move a lot. a LOT... Reds already have the best system in the game, and then they go and do something like this. im impressed.

by daveh33 on Mar 4, 2008 10:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Best system
Did the Ray's minor league bus drive off a cliff?  No rational human being could consider any minor league system better than the Rays without flying his team colors as he says it
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by Jgaztambide on Mar 5, 2008 1:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1
I think there can be a case made that the Reds have a system almost on par with the Rays. However, it's indisputable the Rays have the most cheap, young talent in the organization as a whole, and that's what counts.

by elrey34 on Mar 5, 2008 1:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i forgot to put in my disclaimer
*Reds have the best system in the game

...*Rays beat the game. broke the game in fact....anyone who knows me knows I'd give Brignac manlove, and that I consider BOSSMAN to be not of this earth

by daveh33 on Mar 5, 2008 2:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Give this kid a basketball...
6'6" and not on the mound? That's nuts.

by mraver on Mar 4, 2008 11:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Who else is a 6'6" OF?
Corey Hart, Dave Winfield, and Joe Borchard come to mind.

I'm sure there are many others, but can't think of any that were much taller than that.

gogotabata: "I'm like the biggest Walden fan around here (adult division)..."

by siddfynch on Mar 5, 2008 2:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Adam Dunn, Richie Sexson...
I didn't realize Joe Borchard was 6-foot-6. No wonder he could never keep the Ks down.

by elrey34 on Mar 5, 2008 3:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And still growing is the thing.
He might end up 6'8"-6'10" before he is done assuming he is 16.  I'm just finding a hard time seeing this working out down the road but it's an interesting move to keep an eye on.  Reds are a hard team to figure out.

by jfish26101 on Mar 5, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Reds
That the Reds (apparently) were the only team who was able to figure out that Duran was eligible to sign before July 2nd -- and that it took them over six months to do so -- merely shows that baseball executives aren't the sharpest pencils in the notebook.

Or maybe the other teams merely didn't think that Duran was worth that kind of money.  My guess is the former, but I'm merely guessing.

by sharksrog on Mar 5, 2008 2:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The article
If you read the article, even the kid's agents didn't think he could sign. The Reds pulled a fast one here, it's not against the rules, but it required a creative perspective on the rules.
This is me being polite.

by CrimsonLiederhosen on Mar 5, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Better than Beckham
Would any expend a Dynasty 5x5 roster slot on Duran at this stage?

I'd have to cut someone like:

Tim Beckham, SS  GA HS
Brian Matusz
Angel Villalona
Pedro Alvarez

Beckham would be the only one that I'd consider.

Any opinons?

He's a lotto ticket

Fat Man is no more, Hinges burst off Heaven's door, Come on in, says Bill

by KABOOM on Mar 5, 2008 8:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hmm..
I guess I figured out how to bold by mistake. Anyways (bleep) no, the kid has to show something besides him dunking a basketball first. Way to many things can happen to him, including the growing of inches that will not help as a hitter.

by hybrid on Mar 6, 2008 2:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So
will he be able to play this year?

by sully10x on Mar 6, 2008 4:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He could play
but the article says it's unlikely, as he'd only be able to do so in the Pioneer League, where he'd be much younger than his competition. I don't see much harm in letting the kid get some ABs though.

by Geki on Mar 6, 2008 8:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They should give him 25 AB there
And see if he can stay afloat there. whats the harm.

by sully10x on Mar 6, 2008 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Question...
Have you ever been to Billings, Montana? Probably one of the worst places in the world. I hate that town with a passion. Why not let him develop through instruction within the system, and put him in a league where he can thrive for his debut in 2009?

by coochorama on Mar 7, 2008 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm..
to 16-year-old outfielder Juan Duran, a player who many thought would not be eligible to sign until July 2.

6 feet 6 inches, 16 years old, and many thought would not be eligible to sign until July 2...

Why do I smell Age-Gate?

by TIF on Mar 8, 2008 8:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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