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Not a Rookie: Justin Upton

Not A Rookie: Justin Upton

Justin Upton was drafted by the Arizona Diamondbacks in 2005, the first overall pick, out of high school in Chesapeake, Virginia. He was a renowned amateur player and the younger brother of B.J. Upton, himself an exceptional prospect. Scouts loved B.J, and most of them thought that Justin could be even better. He didn't sign until January 2006 but I gave him a Grade A- in the 2006 book anyway, based on his scouting reports.

Assigned to South Bend in the Midwest League for '06, Upton had a somewhat disappointing season. He hit .263/.343/.413 with 12 homers and 15 steals, which is actually not bad at all for the Midwest League, well-known for cold weather and poor hitting environments. His OPS came out OK at +10 percent compared to league, and his Secondary Average was good at +31 percent. He continued to impress scouts with his tools, although some felt he was just coasting, questioning his work ethic, especially early in the season.  His makeup was previously considered to be excellent. I gave him a Grade A- in the 2007 book, still considering him an elite prospect but watching to see if the work ethic issue got better or got worse.

Upton began 2007 at Visalia in the California League, tearing it apart with a .341/.433/.540 mark in 32 games. Promoted to Double-A Mobile, he continued crushing the ball, hitting .309/.399/.556 with 13 homers. He combined to steal 19 bases between the two levels. The work ethic problem was apparently not a long-term issue, as he appeared to learn from 2006. Promoted to the majors, he hit just .221/.283/.364 in 43 games and is no longer a technical rookie. However, given his extreme young age his shaky major league numbers don't really concern me. If he was still technically a prospect I'd have him as Number One on my list.

I think all Upton really needs to thrive is more experience. From a purely player development perspective, I would love it if he would get a season of Triple-A under his belt to make final adjustments in his game, then stick him in the majors as a regular in 2009 at the age of 21. That would be my ideal. But I'm generally conservative about promoting prospects, and the Diamondbacks are going to go ahead and use him as the everyday right fielder this year by all accounts. It's not what I would do, but they didn't ask me.

What can we expect? Short run predictions for 2008

James: .278/.353/.496
Shandler: .270/.344/.467
ZIPS: .248/.313/.404
Weighted Mean PECOTA: .271/.349/.471
Me: .259/.325/.429.

Three very similar, ZIPS the outlier. I'm not as optimistic as James, Shandler, and PECOTA, as I think he needs more adjustment time and the short-term performance might be rather mediocre.

PECOTA comps are interesting. Delmon Young is the top one, B.J. Upton second. Other names on the list are a mixture of stars, decent players, and busts: Adrian Gonzalez, Austin Kearns, Ben Grieve, Chad Hermansen (scary!), Dee Brown (double-scary), Ken Griffey Jr (very nice), Shawn Green, Vernon Wells. PECOTA thinks that Upton could be excellent, but that he isn't a sure thing quite yet.

In the long run, I think Upton will be on the upper end of those expectations, perhaps not quite Ken Griffey Jr-in-his-prime good but not far from that. As long as he keeps his head on straight, and doesn't have some sort of catastrophic injury, I think he'll live up to what people expect of him.

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Thanks John
I love these write-ups.  

by montenegro on Mar 17, 2008 5:56 PM EDT   0 recs

+1
These are fun to look at.  

Also, agree that he would be the #1 prospect if he was still eligible.  

by MHD on Mar 17, 2008 9:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Upton
I drafted him as an extra in the second half of my fantasy draft.  I hope he stays in the majors all year so I can keep him.  I am willing to stash him on my bench all year and then protect him as a keeper for next year because his ceiling is so huge.  If I had to guess, I would say he will have a Chris Young type season with somewhat better BA.  He will possibly struggle for the first month or two, possibly be in danger of being sent down at some point but will get his legs under him in the second half and go on a tear.

by DrBGiantsfan on Mar 17, 2008 7:27 PM EDT   0 recs

Young was older with more exp in the upper minors
That'd be expecting a lot from Upton. Don't see him reaching those levels of power or SB. .245-.280, 12-24 HRs, 12-24 SB. I'd be shocked if his numbers fell outside those ranges.

by chase035 on Mar 17, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Projection
I haven't seen him play in person or on TV.  I've seen still photos where he looks very mature physically.  If you take the upper end of your range, you aren't too far off from Chris Young numbers.  He's an unusual talent.  I expect to keep him on my bench most or all of the year, but I think there's a good chance I will protect him next year regardless of his performance this year.  If he performs at the upper end of your projection range, it'll be a no-brainer.

by DrBGiantsfan on Mar 17, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No question he's great in a keeper league..
He should do enough to be an average 5th OF this year, be a worthy 3rd OF next year, and then the sky's the limit after that depending on how things pan out. I've recently traded a lot for him (Milledge, Greinke, Parra) knowing that I likely overpaid but each of those players would have been deep reserves for me this year given the deep staff and OF's I have so I'm willing to swing for the fences with Upton for next year and beyond.

Still, expecting Chris Young numbers might mean that you're counting on him to be a good 3rd OF this year, and I'm not sure he'll be quite that good this soon.

by chase035 on Mar 17, 2008 11:33 PM EDT   0 recs

20yo MLB regulars
Talking with a friend, he didn't understand why I think Upton has the EV of a bad #2 or a good #3 OF in a 12 team league. He said he didn't think Upton had that kind of EV because A-Rod was the only 20 year old in the last 40 years to be a true superstar. I estimated that there have been 10 or less 20 year old regulars in the last 25 years (my era), and proceeded to name them.

Year, Name, 19PA, AVG/OBP/SLG, $
2003-Miguel Cabrera, 0, .268/.325/.468, $2
1998-Adrian Beltre, 214, .275/.352/.428, $4
1997-Andruw Jones, 113, .231/.329/.416, $10
1996-Alex Rodriguez, 208, .358/.414/.631, $62
1996-Edgar Renteria, 0, .309/.358/.399, $8
1992-Ivan Rodriguez, 288, .260/.300/.360, $0
1990-Ken Griffey Jr., 506, .300/.366/.481, $15
1989-Gary Sheffield, 89, .247/.303/.337, $0
1988-ROberto Alomar, 0, .266/.328/.382, $7
1986-Ruben Sierra, 0, .264/.302/.476, $2

19 PA is plate appearances heading into age 20 season.
$ is how much they would be worth in my league, not counting for era adjustment, but prorated to 600 PA. The four guys from 1986-1990 would certianly have been more valuable in the lower run scoring environment.

I was able to name nine of these guys off the top of my head. Renteria was the one that slipped. The most striking thing about this list is how many of these guys are headed to Cooperstown. Five guys have already punched their ticket (Jones, A-Rod, I-Rod, Griffey, Alomar), one (Sheffield) has a really good chance, and two more (Renteria, Cabrera) are working on strong cases. That's eight out of the last ten 20 year old regulars with good shots at the Hall.

As for Upton, I am cautiously optimistic about this year. Most likely he'll have some struggles, but the superstar outcome is in there. He's more highly acclaimed than the average of this group at this age. The way I look at it, he's just a rookie (even though he's not) and his expectation shouldn't be any different relative to their skill set than any other rookie. Rookies can struggle, but they can also come up huge. For every Alex Gordon who struggles there's a Ryan Braun who explodes. Other rookies over the last few years that have come up huge include Ryan Howard and Albert Pujols.

The last thing I'll leave you with are some of the all time great seasons by 20 year olds.

1929-Mel Ott, 724, .328/.449/.635
1956-Frank Robinson, 0, .290/.379/.558
1965-Tony Conigliaro, 439, .269/.338/.512
1939-Ted Williams, 0, .327/.436/.609
1955-Al Kaline, 555, .340/.421/.546
1952-Mickey Mantle, 384, .311/.394/.530
1907-Ty Cobb, 537, .350/.380/.468 (49 SB)
1928-Jimmy Foxx, 186, .328/.416/.548
1958-Orlando Cepeda, 0, .312/.342/.512

It looks like a 20 year old is an MVP candiate about once every ten years, so we're due:)

by rwperu34 on Mar 18, 2008 3:48 AM EDT   0 recs

Upton

I sure am enjoying these 'Not a rookie' reports.

afpop

by afpop on Mar 19, 2008 11:11 AM EDT   0 recs

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