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Bedard to Mariners close to done


John Hickey of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer says Adam Jones went to Baltimore today for that long-awaited physical. Hickey says this physical is the only remaining impediment to the Mariners swapping Erik Bedard for Jones, George Sherrill, Tillman, Mickolio, and Butler. Sounds like we might have an announcement on Monday or Tuesday.

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Speaking for Mariner fans everywhere...
Get this the @#$* over with already...

by TIF on Feb 4, 2008 1:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1
The whole mess may have permanently raised my blood pressure, since I own Bedard, Jones, and Wilkerson in my AL-only league so I just wanted to see this happen already.
Hey fish, leave those kids alone!

by The Congo Hammer on Feb 4, 2008 1:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's about time
Not a great deal for Seattle, IMO, but at least it looks like the players will be out of limbo.

by Yakker on Feb 4, 2008 1:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Finally
This was becoming as bad as the Santana saga.

by Stephcaflowne on Feb 4, 2008 1:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This was worse
By light years.  I didn't go into this offseason with any negative thoughts towards McPhail or Angelos, but after all the bickering, the media leaking, the stalling, the agreeing, then not agreeing, the truths, half truths, and not at all truths, Angelos considering nixing the deal, and all sorts of other conjecture, debate, discussion, and brouhaha by the fans...  I'm now programmed to kill McPhail and Angelos on sight.

I bear them no real ill will, but I just have to see their blood.

by TIF on Feb 4, 2008 1:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're obviously not following the Orioles...
"I didn't go into this offseason with any negative thoughts towards McPhail or Angelos"

HOW COULD YOU NOT (if you're following the O's)???

by Sox Puppet on Feb 4, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good deal for Adam Jones owners
I just realized Jones will be moving into one of the best hitters parks in baseball, going from Safeco to Camden should help him out.

by nyy601 on Feb 4, 2008 1:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not true
Camden has been pretty close to a neutral hitters' park for quite some time now.  

True, Camden had the 6th highest park factor for runs scored last year.  But park factors can vary greatly from year to year.  Just going by last year, Comerica and Dolphins Stadium played as hitters' parks and Rangers park played as a slight pitchers' park.  In 2005, Camden played as the 3rd best pitchers' park and in 2006 it was pretty neutral, ranking #17 in the 'runs scored' park factor.  You need to take at least a 3-yr average.  The 3-yr avg for all MLB parks are as follows:

1    Coors Field     1.198
2    Great American     1.125
3    Chase Field     1.110
4    Wrigley Field     1.087
5    Citizens Bank Park     1.086
6    Fenway Park     1.078
7    U.S. Cellular Field 1.061

8    Kauffman Stadium    1.051
9    Rangers Ballpark     1.045
10    Rogers Centre     1.016
11    Yankee Stadium     1.007
12    Miller Park     1.002
13    Dodger Stadium    1.000
14    Comerica Park     .997
15    PNC Park      .996
16    Camden Yards      .990
17    Turner Field      .984
18    AT&T Park      .983
19    Progressive Fld (Cleve.)     .982
20    Tropicana Field      .973
21    Angel Stadium      .971
22    Minute Maid Park      .961
23    Dolphin Stadium      .950
24    Metrodome      .950

25    McAfee Coliseum      .939
26    Busch Stadium      .933
27    Safeco Field      .933
28    Shea Stadium      .927
29    RFK Stadium       .892
30    Petco Park      .806

The top 7 have been above avg in runs scored each of the last 3 years so I would classify the these as hitters parks.  So the cutoff would be 6% or more above average in runs scroed to be a hitters' park.  Using this same 6% as cutoff for below average in runs scored, the bottom 6 I would classify as pitchers parks.  All of these, except McAfee, were below average in runs scored each of the last 3 years (of course, New Busch Stadium has data for only 2007).  AT&T was also, but only slightly so.  So, the middle 17 I'd classify as fairly neutral, of which Camden is one of the most neutral.

These figures actually are somewhat surprising.  Altho the NL is considered to have larger parks thatn the AL, the top 5 hitters parks are all in the NL.  But 4 of the top 5 pitchers parks also are in the NL.  Parks that are commonly considered pitchers parks, like Dolphins Stadium, Comerica, AT&T and Dodgers Stadium turn out to be fairly neutral.  Minute Maid which is commonly considered a hitter parks played as at a slight pitchers park, Rangers stadium doesnt quite make it to the hitters park category.  I also thought of Rogers Centre (SkyDome) as a hitters' park, but apparently not.  And I thought that Wrigley and Fenway actually were fairly neutral despite their reputations, but apparently their reputations are deserved to an extent.

As expected, Coors is at the top, by far the best best hitters park despite the humidor.  Also, as expected, Petco is by far the best pitchers park.  

Something to think about when you're doing your roto drafts.

Anyway, Jones will benefit some by going to Baltimore, but, as you can see, him going anywhere else in the AL would also be an improvement.  

by rhd on Feb 4, 2008 3:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dodger Stadium
What's happening there that it's so offensive friendly all of a sudden?  Don Drysdale is rolling in his grave.

by Lunkwill Fook on Feb 4, 2008 8:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They actually have
hitters now.
"The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns." -mckeeno

by PujolsJunkie on Feb 4, 2008 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow
Either you're joking or it's clear that you have no idea how park factors are calculated.

Here's a useful link from baseball reference where they explain it:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/parkadjust.shtml

Anyhow, the reason is that they got rid of all the foul territory a couple years back. There used to be a TON of space behind the plate and along the lines on the IF. Doing that eliminated a lot of foul-outs, which more or less accounted for the "pitcher-ness" of the park. AFAIK, it was never big at decreasing HRs or anything like that.

by mraver on Feb 4, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Think Blue
They changed the hitting background so you can actually see the ball now.  

by Sox Puppet on Feb 4, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

most importantly
they went from being a park with a ton of foul ground to a park with almost no foul ground (someone figured out you can sell close seats for a lot of money). the number of foul popouts per game versus simple foul strikes makes a huge difference.

also, either the weather patterns changed or the new shape of the stadium created different aerodynamics, because the ball carries better than it used to (and, no, it has absolutely nothing to do with better hitters).

by bleedjaxblue on Feb 4, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

now maybe this will finally open up the market...
for other pitchers like blanton/lowry IF teams are still willing to trade prospects rather than overspending or going back to the  FA scrap heap for lohse/garcia/colon/hernandez/trachsel etc

by rayver723 on Feb 4, 2008 3:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The baltimore sun says...
No Physicals Yet.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this drag out another week or so.

by dkdc on Feb 4, 2008 7:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I've heard
that there is zero chance that the Mariners sign Bonds - I don't get it.  With Bedard and Hernandez and an added Bonds they are a legit contender and would be my pick for AL West champ.

Are they really going to go with Wilkerson and Vidro?  Bonds makes so much sense it is scary.  It would be perfect.  

I know he is "hated", but the fans in San Fran loved him, and I've never heard anything negative about teammates other than Jeff Kent (who seems to have a lot of problems with a lot of teammates - so maybe it's him)

by Galt on Feb 4, 2008 9:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree
Gotta make you wonder just how radioactive he is at the moment. Maybe Selig is putting the kibosh on signing him or maybe everyone is just worried about an indictment or whatever.

But he could really help the Mariners a lot.

by mraver on Feb 4, 2008 10:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

an indictment?
I think I might worry about a trial that he is in. I think if Bonds wants to take next to nothing in guaranteed money and sign with incentives then teams should be all over him, but only as a DH. Bonds is done.

by IHateMitchMustain on Feb 4, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

perfect fit
obviously the contract can be worded such that it would protect his future team in case something comes out.

They only need him for DH.  They have Jose Vidro now!

by Galt on Feb 4, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
just add a claus that could penalize him if he gets throw in jail or something. that's certainly not unrealistic.

Look, Barry is old and all, but this was the list of qualified guys that had a better OPS+ than he did last year.

A-rod
Carlos Pena
Big Papi

thats it! and none of them were really blowing him away. Papi and Pena was virtually tied with Bonds.

If Bonds can hit like that and play about 140+ games as a DH then he should easily be a HUGE upgrade over... almost everyone really.

by RollingWave on Feb 5, 2008 2:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
bonds would put the mariners over the top.  but apparently they're "family-friendly" = no bonds ever.  

by wily mo on Feb 5, 2008 10:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I still say
that this is a win for the Mariners.  I know a large part of their fans are complaining about the trade, but I still like the value of the deal better on their end.  At worst, it's a wash.

All that said, the Orioles do get back some intriguing, but raw, arms.  I think Butler's been a tad overhyped.  I see him more as a mid-end of the rotation possibility than the 2 possibility that Churchill, and other Mariners fans, says he is.  Tillman's potential probably isn't that different from Morrow's as a starter, but is just farther away.  Both promising, but with questions.

I'm not sure this opens the market up for Lowry/Blanton and the ilk for the simple reason of who is actually looking for a starter now?  Maybe Cincinnati, but even that looks iffy as it seems likely that they give one of the kids a shot, leaving the last spot open (still don't like Affeldt as a starter, but that looks like it's happening).

I'm not expecting any semi-big pitching deal to come.

by toonsterwu on Feb 4, 2008 12:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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