Bedard to Mariners close to done
John Hickey of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer says Adam Jones went to Baltimore today for that long-awaited physical. Hickey says this physical is the only remaining impediment to the Mariners swapping Erik Bedard for Jones, George Sherrill, Tillman, Mickolio, and Butler. Sounds like we might have an announcement on Monday or Tuesday.
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Speaking for Mariner fans everywhere...
by TIF on Feb 4, 2008 1:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
by The Congo Hammer on Feb 4, 2008 1:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's about time
by Yakker on Feb 4, 2008 1:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Finally
by Stephcaflowne on Feb 4, 2008 1:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This was worse
I bear them no real ill will, but I just have to see their blood.
by TIF on Feb 4, 2008 1:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're obviously not following the Orioles...
HOW COULD YOU NOT (if you're following the O's)???
by Sox Puppet on Feb 4, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good deal for Adam Jones owners
by nyy601 on Feb 4, 2008 1:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not true
True, Camden had the 6th highest park factor for runs scored last year. But park factors can vary greatly from year to year. Just going by last year, Comerica and Dolphins Stadium played as hitters' parks and Rangers park played as a slight pitchers' park. In 2005, Camden played as the 3rd best pitchers' park and in 2006 it was pretty neutral, ranking #17 in the 'runs scored' park factor. You need to take at least a 3-yr average. The 3-yr avg for all MLB parks are as follows:
1 Coors Field 1.198
2 Great American 1.125
3 Chase Field 1.110
4 Wrigley Field 1.087
5 Citizens Bank Park 1.086
6 Fenway Park 1.078
7 U.S. Cellular Field 1.061
8 Kauffman Stadium 1.051
9 Rangers Ballpark 1.045
10 Rogers Centre 1.016
11 Yankee Stadium 1.007
12 Miller Park 1.002
13 Dodger Stadium 1.000
14 Comerica Park .997
15 PNC Park .996
16 Camden Yards .990
17 Turner Field .984
18 AT&T Park .983
19 Progressive Fld (Cleve.) .982
20 Tropicana Field .973
21 Angel Stadium .971
22 Minute Maid Park .961
23 Dolphin Stadium .950
24 Metrodome .950
25 McAfee Coliseum .939
26 Busch Stadium .933
27 Safeco Field .933
28 Shea Stadium .927
29 RFK Stadium .892
30 Petco Park .806
The top 7 have been above avg in runs scored each of the last 3 years so I would classify the these as hitters parks. So the cutoff would be 6% or more above average in runs scroed to be a hitters' park. Using this same 6% as cutoff for below average in runs scored, the bottom 6 I would classify as pitchers parks. All of these, except McAfee, were below average in runs scored each of the last 3 years (of course, New Busch Stadium has data for only 2007). AT&T was also, but only slightly so. So, the middle 17 I'd classify as fairly neutral, of which Camden is one of the most neutral.
These figures actually are somewhat surprising. Altho the NL is considered to have larger parks thatn the AL, the top 5 hitters parks are all in the NL. But 4 of the top 5 pitchers parks also are in the NL. Parks that are commonly considered pitchers parks, like Dolphins Stadium, Comerica, AT&T and Dodgers Stadium turn out to be fairly neutral. Minute Maid which is commonly considered a hitter parks played as at a slight pitchers park, Rangers stadium doesnt quite make it to the hitters park category. I also thought of Rogers Centre (SkyDome) as a hitters' park, but apparently not. And I thought that Wrigley and Fenway actually were fairly neutral despite their reputations, but apparently their reputations are deserved to an extent.
As expected, Coors is at the top, by far the best best hitters park despite the humidor. Also, as expected, Petco is by far the best pitchers park.
Something to think about when you're doing your roto drafts.
Anyway, Jones will benefit some by going to Baltimore, but, as you can see, him going anywhere else in the AL would also be an improvement.
by rhd on Feb 4, 2008 3:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dodger Stadium
by Lunkwill Fook on Feb 4, 2008 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They actually have
by PujolsJunkie on Feb 4, 2008 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Here's a useful link from baseball reference where they explain it:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/parkadjust.shtml
Anyhow, the reason is that they got rid of all the foul territory a couple years back. There used to be a TON of space behind the plate and along the lines on the IF. Doing that eliminated a lot of foul-outs, which more or less accounted for the "pitcher-ness" of the park. AFAIK, it was never big at decreasing HRs or anything like that.
by mraver on Feb 4, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Think Blue
by Sox Puppet on Feb 4, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
most importantly
also, either the weather patterns changed or the new shape of the stadium created different aerodynamics, because the ball carries better than it used to (and, no, it has absolutely nothing to do with better hitters).
by bleedjaxblue on Feb 4, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
now maybe this will finally open up the market...
by rayver723 on Feb 4, 2008 3:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The baltimore sun says...
I wouldn't be surprised to see this drag out another week or so.
by dkdc on Feb 4, 2008 7:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've heard
Are they really going to go with Wilkerson and Vidro? Bonds makes so much sense it is scary. It would be perfect.
I know he is "hated", but the fans in San Fran loved him, and I've never heard anything negative about teammates other than Jeff Kent (who seems to have a lot of problems with a lot of teammates - so maybe it's him)
by Galt on Feb 4, 2008 9:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree
But he could really help the Mariners a lot.
by mraver on Feb 4, 2008 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
an indictment?
by IHateMitchMustain on Feb 4, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
perfect fit
They only need him for DH. They have Jose Vidro now!
by Galt on Feb 4, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Look, Barry is old and all, but this was the list of qualified guys that had a better OPS+ than he did last year.
A-rod
Carlos Pena
Big Papi
thats it! and none of them were really blowing him away. Papi and Pena was virtually tied with Bonds.
If Bonds can hit like that and play about 140+ games as a DH then he should easily be a HUGE upgrade over... almost everyone really.
by RollingWave on Feb 5, 2008 2:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still say
All that said, the Orioles do get back some intriguing, but raw, arms. I think Butler's been a tad overhyped. I see him more as a mid-end of the rotation possibility than the 2 possibility that Churchill, and other Mariners fans, says he is. Tillman's potential probably isn't that different from Morrow's as a starter, but is just farther away. Both promising, but with questions.
I'm not sure this opens the market up for Lowry/Blanton and the ilk for the simple reason of who is actually looking for a starter now? Maybe Cincinnati, but even that looks iffy as it seems likely that they give one of the kids a shot, leaving the last spot open (still don't like Affeldt as a starter, but that looks like it's happening).
I'm not expecting any semi-big pitching deal to come.
by toonsterwu on Feb 4, 2008 12:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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