Giants Win SB

Rigged

by Bravesin07 on Feb 3, 2008 10:17 PM EST reply actions

Why would the NFL want to rig a game AGAINST the biggest team in sports? A perfect season and a team that's arguably the best ever would bring the league more publicity than an upset by a mediocre team.

By the way, fantastic game to watch.

Warning Track Power

by WTP on Feb 3, 2008 10:33 PM EST up reply actions

9/11 is a big reason why

This is the first SB for a NY team since then. Think about this, good vs. evil, who do you think they want to win.

by Bravesin07 on Feb 3, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions

Good vs. Evil?

What the hell are you talking about Braves? Amazing...

by jfish26101 on Feb 3, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions

Wow.

by Stephcaflowne on Feb 3, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions

+10

bringing 9.11 into the equation, possibly the stupidest thing ever said by braves, who's been been pretty decent here the last year or so

Curtis Granderson fan

by jrose643 on Feb 3, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions

I didn't take it that way

It wasn't like he EQUATED the loss or the refereeing with 9/11 - he just accused an institution of playing on the sentiment - and I think we can all agree that institutions do that all the time. In fact, the media drags sporting events into the "equation" with tragedies all the time (New Orleans; San Francisco earthquake; 9/11; probably lots of others). I get really annoyed about it, personally, but playing on the sentiment is awfully darn common. Shoot, it's been overplayed grist for the political mill ever since it happened...almost nauseating the way the media and politicians would drag it into the equation.

I intepreted Braves' statement as a fairly absurd one that the NFL wanted to play on 9.11 sentiment...a silly statement because it didn't seem like the game was rigged, but certainly nothing malevolent. And certainly not equating the magnitude of one event with the other.

gogotabata: "I'm like the biggest Walden fan around here (adult division)..."

by siddfynch on Feb 4, 2008 2:29 AM EST up reply actions

Agree with Sidd

I thought the same thing. I think he was just saying that the NFL wanted NY to be happy after 9/11. Absurd to be sure, but nothing evil or vicious.

FJM, down in the trenches doing the Lord's work.

by zdavis2512 on Feb 4, 2008 3:08 AM EST up reply actions

How can you even compare 9/11 to a football game?

That statement alone should get you removed from this site. People lost lives during 9/11.

The Reds are finally making a move!

by Rupe34 on Feb 3, 2008 10:51 PM EST up reply actions

+1

Not for removal..but he outta retract that statement. Fast. I believe in freedom of speech, but I also believe in freedom or banning for such an unwarranted, unrelied, really offensive remarks.

by dlpme77 on Feb 3, 2008 10:54 PM EST up reply actions

he didn't, did he?

I don't think he compared it to a football game at all.

gogotabata: "I'm like the biggest Walden fan around here (adult division)..."

by siddfynch on Feb 4, 2008 2:31 AM EST up reply actions

What the f***

Okay, now I've had it. Someone oughta write a letter to Mrs. Sickels

by shakezula on Feb 3, 2008 10:54 PM EST up reply actions

sorry I overreacted

I am very sad about that day and I cried that day. I still feel that the NFL tried to help the Giants a bit too much in this game. Sorry to anyone I offended and I retract my sorryass lame statement.

by Bravesin07 on Feb 3, 2008 11:09 PM EST up reply actions

retract it?

suck my balls Braves

by daveh33 on Feb 4, 2008 1:19 AM EST up reply actions

Nah

He probably just lost a boatload of money on the game. :) Mahalo

Matt

I am one of the bad things that happen to good people.

by WayneCampbell05 on Feb 3, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions

Man

Calm down, the guy knows he was out of hand and apologized. Braves gets worked up sometimes, but he means no harm toward anyone. Just cool it.

"The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns." -mckeeno

by PujolsJunkie on Feb 4, 2008 1:04 AM EST up reply actions

real name?

Is your real name Rudy Giuliani?

by sabernar on Feb 4, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions

Grow up.

This game was not rigged. One of the best games and upsets I have ever seen. I am so glad to see Belicheck, who IMO is one of the unclassiest coaches ever, get beat. Get over it.

by bl on Feb 3, 2008 11:54 PM EST up reply actions

Eli

has balls.

1941 .406

by FrozenTed9 on Feb 3, 2008 10:19 PM EST reply actions

Congrats

to the Giants. Quite a game- got to be one of the most impressive super bowls i have ever witnessed. Reminds me of Montana to Taylor in the closing seconds to beat the Bengals, c. 1990

Curtis Granderson fan

by jrose643 on Feb 3, 2008 10:25 PM EST reply actions

Only 2 SB's IMO better than this

Giants/Bills (Norwood's wide FG)
Rams/Titans

by dlpme77 on Feb 3, 2008 10:53 PM EST up reply actions

not even

top 3 upset in superbowl history.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

by Galt on Feb 3, 2008 10:45 PM EST reply actions

Now come on

To say this isn't even a top three upset SB history is just ridiculous. Unless you are a Pats fan, you are being a homer.

by NYYLover1000 on Feb 3, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions

I don't think it's top 3

Not even top 3 that I have seen and I've only been watching football for...well since late 80's.

by jfish26101 on Feb 3, 2008 10:53 PM EST up reply actions

becuase it's not

The Jets were 18 point underdogs
The Pats were 14 point underdogs to the Rams.
The Broncoes were 13 point underdogs to the Packers.
The Giants were 12 point underdogs to the Patriots.

Ergo, ipso facto, it was not a top 3 superbowl upset.

by Galt on Feb 3, 2008 10:55 PM EST up reply actions

points don't mean crap

I am tired of an upset being measured by gambling lines inspired to make people gamble for the "underdog" and still has mob hands in its decision making. Upset is momentum..the Pats were unbeaten, nuff said. Nobody beat them ALL season, to me that is the #1 upset. Giants were a #5 seed in the OWN conference, a conference considered to be a junior division compared to the AFC. This is IMO 3rd to Namath Jets and Pats/Rams. I don't need point spreads to see that

by dlpme77 on Feb 3, 2008 11:00 PM EST up reply actions

well

To be fair, gambling lines represent the common wisdom of the sporting world. So the "aggregate view" of betters world-wide was that those other games were larger upsets.

You can make the argument that the markets were inefficient back then. (One would do this presumably by claiming that in the past there was more systematic bias in the media in the past, resulting in skewed perceptions of the true ability of teams to win SBs, and that these days, information is available from a wider variety of sources and there is therefore less room for systematic bias.) But I don't think that really makes sense.

Alternatively, you could argue that "aggregate mis-perception of a team's likelyhood to win" is not what "upset" really means. I guess a reasonable alternative definition would be one based on records or something. It's probably true (I haven't looked into it) that this was the largest differential in win% of two SB teams.

But on the other hand, when you consider that these two teams played within a field goal 4 weeks ago, I don't think it's altogether that surprising that this game was decided by a similar margin.

by mraver on Feb 4, 2008 10:37 AM EST up reply actions

Totally disgree here

and save the points arguement.

first off the Pats if they won would of been considered the top five greatest teams of all time the least. Second the Pats were better than the Packers and Rams. Third, the Giants were not as good as the Broncos or even the Pats who won it in 2001.

and fourth, I,ve read reports and heard interviews that the Jets while was inferior to the Colts, was alot closer than what people. And alot people thought that Johnny U was shot that year.

by NYYLover1000 on Feb 3, 2008 11:02 PM EST up reply actions

arbitrary

any argument you come up with is going to be arbitrary.

Points are fact. And gambling lines factor into all the arbitrary crap you will spout.

Feel free to convince yourself of any argument while avoiding the giant elephant in the room that Vegas felt it was less likely that each of those three teams would win the Superbowl than they thought that the Giants would win.

by Galt on Feb 3, 2008 11:07 PM EST up reply actions

NOBODY...

when talking about the greatest upsets of all time in the Super Bowl include Broncos/Packers. They only talk about Holmgren's decision to let TD score that touchdown and hope for a Favre comeback. So, IMO, in the end it will be the 18-0 that will matter the most, not the point spread when this will be considering one of the greatest upsets of all time

by dlpme77 on Feb 3, 2008 11:14 PM EST up reply actions

Does the fact that it was an upset...

automatically make it the greatest game ever? Seriously because I'm not going to argue if it was the greatest upset or not because it might have been mostly due to the media's infatuation with the Pats. I just don't think that alone makes it a great game.

by jfish26101 on Feb 3, 2008 11:22 PM EST up reply actions

Points Spreads

Do not tell you who the oddsmakers think who will win the game. Their only function is to try to make sure an equal amount of money is bet on each team. That way the house will always make money on the vig.

It was an upset though. How big, I can't say. Perhaps it's top 3. I wouldn't dismiss the Patriot's win over the Rams offhand though. Brady had only started a handful of games at that time. Nobody knew how good he really was back then. The Greatest Show on Turf was supposed to run roughshod all over NE.

It was only a month ago that the Giants had a 12 point lead late in the 3rd quarter against the Pats. So I'm not that shocked at the final result. So congrats to the Giants and their fans. Mahalo

Matt

I am one of the bad things that happen to good people.

by WayneCampbell05 on Feb 4, 2008 12:03 AM EST up reply actions

agreed

well put. How can you not consider this one of the top upsets if people were asking if the patriots were one of the best teams ever?

Jack Cust is this year's Marcus Thames

by Team Moneyball on Feb 3, 2008 11:07 PM EST up reply actions

Oh I consider it a hell of an upset...

I just don't get caught up in who is the favorite. It's all about matchups just like in college and they matched up well as everyone knew from week 17. Was it a great win? You bet but I just don't think it's one of the best SBs I've ever seen live and certainly not of all time. Sorry. :(

by jfish26101 on Feb 3, 2008 11:10 PM EST up reply actions

I think it's not top 3

just because there really is not much talent difference between NFL teams any more... The upset really was that the Patriots were 18-0 going into the game. For much of the 2nd half of the season, and the playoffs, the Patriots were just getting by.

by SLK on Feb 4, 2008 8:35 AM EST up reply actions

Unstoppable

I'm getting a Citizen Echo Drive watch tomorrow.

Todd Frazier for President

by FrazierFan on Feb 3, 2008 11:47 PM EST reply actions

watch this

http://www.rbk.com/us/perfectville/

by Bravesin07 on Feb 3, 2008 11:53 PM EST reply actions

That is awesome...

especially for a Dolphins fan.

by bl on Feb 3, 2008 11:58 PM EST up reply actions

I guarantee

they probable made one for if the Pats won the SB too. Too bad we will never see it unless it gets leaked

by dlpme77 on Feb 4, 2008 12:00 AM EST up reply actions

Terrific Game

Congratulations to the Giants and all their fans. A truly historic victory.

Kudos also to the Pats for a terrific season, although it's obviously not the way they wanted things to end.

Mega-jeers for sore loser Bill Bellichek. Walking off the field with 0:02 left on the clock...the epitome of low class, IMO.

by Yakker on Feb 4, 2008 1:06 AM EST reply actions

Where this ranks in upsets, game quality, etc

I can't really say off the top of my head. That one where Montana beat the Bengals with the strike to John Taylor at the end sure seemed like an awfully good game. Wasn't that the one where Tim Krumrie snapped his leg like a chicken bone?

But when I saw that Tyree guy's (name?) catch, I immediately started trying to think of a better catch that was meaningful in the SB. Still not sure I can recall one....the initial grab was great in itself (I'm sure there have better), but keeping his mitts on it when he was too stretched out to be able to pull it in was really incredible. Had to not only keep the defender from stripping it, but also keep the hands from striking the ground as he was bent backwards over the defender's body, with the hands wanting to whip down and plant the ball on the ground. I haven't seen the replay, but that was the impression I got at the moment.

That's like a lifetime of work in the weight room paying off in a one-second moment. Awesome.

gogotabata: "I'm like the biggest Walden fan around here (adult division)..."

by siddfynch on Feb 4, 2008 2:49 AM EST reply actions

I think

It gets a slightly better rating than 2001 just because of the Perfect Season storyline. Otherwise, there are even some parallels. Huge upset (double digit underdogs), defense beating the heck out of a prolific offense, 2 minute drill led by a young somewhat unproven (at the time) QB, fans crying about how the better team lost and how the other team was simply lucky. Hell, even controversy in regards to officials (Tuck Rule((Yes I know that was not in the SB but work with me here))/Eli's scramble). Doesn't that sound pretty familiar?

FJM, down in the trenches doing the Lord's work.

by zdavis2512 on Feb 4, 2008 3:14 AM EST up reply actions

tyree

was frickin' awesome....i'm not sure where it would rank, and frankly it's trivial and objective to do such things....it was a great catch...not the greatest in nfl history....where it'd rank all time for the giants or for super bowl history is another debate....

by biggentleben on Feb 4, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions

hilarious

The funniest thing about this is witnessing all the Yankee fans coming out of the woodwork to support "their team".

Strange, they haven't mentioned football in, let's see...about 7 years?

by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 4, 2008 10:23 AM EST reply actions

Sad

First of all, this is a baseball site, so why should Yankee fans be coming out in support of the Giants here? Secondly, do you know that the Giants are one of the most loyally supported franchises in any sport? Try getting a season ticket to Giants Stadium if you don't believe me. If any team has bandwagon fans in this scenario, it's no doubt that they root for the Patriots.

Some words of advice: stop whining. You lost. Get over it.

by jc3 on Feb 4, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions

not here

I'm not referring to this site, just my own personal experiences today. Lots of my NYY fan pals are all of the sudden very vocal NFL fans, "18-1" seesm to be the phrase du jour. It's more of an anti-Boston thing than a pro-NY thing, I guess.

I'm sure the Giants have loyal fans just like any other team.

Anyway, you misunderstood me. Giants played a great game, I acknowledge that and I'm not whining about a anything. Just observing and chuckling.

by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 4, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions

Funny shit

between Tiki Barber and Bravesin07 - I can't figure who has their head up their ass farther...

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by slurve on Feb 4, 2008 12:41 PM EST reply actions

do you hear that?

absolute silence from the Patriots fans. Arrogance finally caught up to the Pats and their egotistical head coach continued to show no class.

4th and 13 on 31 and you go for it? Are you fucking kidding me? This isn't Madden 08 on PS3. If you were really worried about giving the Giants a good field position, then you punt it and let your defense do their thing.

No, they decided to go for it and throw it down field out of arrogance.

And Maroney yapping his gums every time he touched the ball while doing absolutely nothing the entire game. Belichick walking off the field with time left on the clock.

One of the biggest choke jobs and I am so glad it happened to the Patriots. Peace.

by yoda1 on Feb 4, 2008 2:32 PM EST reply actions

What Exactly Am I Supposed To Be Saying?

Well? Tell me. Tell me what I should be saying after watching a tough and extremely disappointing loss for my team in their biggest game of the year.

The Giants made more plays than the Patriots. Period.

Not sure why you feel you have to call it a choke job, though. Why not give credit to the Giants? The Giants played better. So congrats to them and their fans.

Are you familiar with the word schadenfreude? If not why don't you go look it up. Because that's the first thing I think of when I read stuff like "I am so glad it happened to the Patriots".

That's nice. I suppose different people get different things from watching sports. I could probably elaborate on that for another paragraph or two, but if you can't read between the lines, oh well.

Same guy, new name.

by stillredsoxfan on Feb 4, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions

Pats fan here

Most of us here are pretty psyched and grateful for the season we had, and looking forward to next year.

The Giants played very well, their defense was unstoppable. Belichick made some uncharacteristic mistakes, and Coughlin outcoached him.

That said, if there's a complex/ego issue, I don't think it's on our part. Some anti-Pats folks have developed quite the inferiority complex. This post is a pretty good example of it. I hope your bitterness subsides over time, as a Sox fan in the 90's I felt this way and I realize that is it no fun being angry. Good luck.

Congrats to the Giants.

by SmokeyJoeWood on Feb 4, 2008 2:44 PM EST reply actions

Pats' offense

As a fan of neither team, really, I was simply dumbfounded by the Pats' playcalling all but one series of the second hald, and even on that series, they got goofy again when they hit first and goal. The brilliance of their playcalling and dialing up the perfect play at the right time all season was completely absent last night, and that has nothing to do with the Giants defense. Their defense did a tremendous job of stopping what was called, but by the end of the first series, certain plays became obviously open the way the Giants were playing, and they weren't attempted, or weren't attempted more than once, even if there was success...

by biggentleben on Feb 4, 2008 5:00 PM EST reply actions