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Cameron Maybin

I'm curious to see how you guys think the trades affects Maybin.

I think he takes it personal and ups his production. I know he's not the most liked prospect on this site.

I just think he gets bashed for no reason at all. The kid is 20 and has all the talent in the world.

Post the reason why you voted the way you did.

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How does Maybin take the trade?
Takes it personal and steps up his game
11 votes
Doesn't read into it and continues the same progress
75 votes
It bothers him and his productions drops
3 votes
Fails apart and completely crashes
6 votes

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Takes it personally?
I guess I am a bit confused - are you asking if Cameron Maybin looks at this trade and gets offended that all the Tigers could get for him was one of the best young third basemen in the majors and a very good pitcher?  My guess is most people in his shoes would be very flattered that a team was willing to give up that much to get him.

by Curveball 2000 on Feb 28, 2008 11:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Takes is personally
I meant as if the organization gave up on him and figured it might as well sale high.
The Reds are finally making a move!

by Rupe34 on Feb 28, 2008 11:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Give Up?
Since Al Kaline said he was the most impressive prospect he had ever seen.  I really don't think the Tigers gave up on him.

by NMUWildcat027 on Feb 28, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF?
No one in this diary has suggested that the Tigers gave up on Maybin.  What the question asks is whether Maybin himself may believe that since he was traded, that the Tigers gave up on him.

by cooper7d7 on Feb 28, 2008 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybin
I think the key to the "dislike" of Maybin is that he's still relatively raw, strikes out a TON, and probably needs at least some more AA/AAA experience that's he's not likely to get.

by Lunkwill Fook on Feb 28, 2008 11:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

"He has all the talent in the world"
no he doesn't.  He is sure fast and has quick hands, though.

by Galt on Feb 28, 2008 11:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

what
no one who knows a baseball from a peanut has ever doubted Maybins PURE TALENT.  The question is how much of that talent will he turn into performance

by nms on Feb 28, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nebulous
"all the talent in the world" is a completely arbitrary and meaningless statement.

But I appreciate the condescension.

by Galt on Feb 28, 2008 7:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

youre insane
first off.  show me how i was being condescending.

Second of all you are retarded if you are taking the "in the world" part literally.  Its an expression simply meaning "plenty" or "more than enough".

And saying that Maybin has plenty of talent is not an arbitrary or meaningless statement.  It is universally agreed that he does in fact have lots of talent and I don't see how introducing the fact that maybe is considered to have lots of talent "arbitrary or meaningless" in a discussion of his future

by nms on Feb 28, 2008 8:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1
Name calling rules!

by Galt on Feb 28, 2008 10:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tools
In terms of the raw tools necessary to excel in baseball and become a true superstar caliber player,  Maybin absolutely has that ability.  Maybin is a 5 tool talent and while still more a raw athlete who happens to be a baseball player, Maybin is making strides in that direction.  

In terms of sheer physical talent, yes, Cameron Maybin has everything you could look for. These are tools, not skills, and Maybin has them in spades.

by GuyinNY on Mar 2, 2008 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

talent <> tools
I'm in agreement that Maybin doesn't have all the talent in the world. He does have a lot though.

As far as I'm concerned talent does include things like hitting breaking pitches, laying off pitches, pitch recognition, etc.

Guys that we consider "natural talents" are almost always the players that have very solid baseball skills. Players that hit a pitch the other way or have great recognition skills.

Maybin is no such player.

by pedrophile on Mar 5, 2008 1:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed
I agree that overall, talent does include a mixture of learned skills and the tools necessary to put them to use.  However, I read Galt's statement as being about raw ability and sheer physical prowess.  On that front, Cameron Maybin is a hardware store.  His tools are second to none.

Regarding "natural talents", it is important to note that nobody considers Maybin to be in this class of ballplayer.  He was drafted as a "raw athlete" who is being made into a baseball player because his tools line up so perfectly with the sport.  However, in that regard, Maybin may well be considered a natural talent.  Very few people are naturally so well-equipped to excel at their chosen profession.  Maybin has very strong wrists and a lightning fast bat that portends potential power.  He's got a body that oozes athleticism which will heighten and prolong his prime, and tons of speed to ensure he'll make the most of whatever he does out on the field (whether beating out grounder, stretching a hit out, or flagging down a fly). Maybin has terrific hand-eye coordination, and the sort of makeup that will allow him to eventually take advantage of it.

In terms of wonderkids, which I take to be the natural talents you were referring to, virtually all the players we consider "natural talents" are blessed with at least remarkable hitting tools.  The two go hand in hand.  No player can grow to be tremendously skilled without the requisite tools to allow him to learn.  

Maybin's baseball skills are improving and his peak capacity as a baseball player is virtually unlimited.  It will require more time for him to become that player, and I do believe that he's very far from that day, but to act as though Maybin is lacking in natural ability is a fallacy.  He has a plethora of natural ability, and he is in the process of converting it into learned skills.    Maybin doesn't yet have all the talent in the world, but he does have all the tools and he may yet be a great talent.

by GuyinNY on Mar 5, 2008 11:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, he has plenty of ability
and has high upside.

I just don't see him as a natural talent.

BJ Upton = natural talent
Griffey = natural talent
ARod = natural talent

etc.

Maybin has their skill set which is high praise indeed. But he doesn't have their natural talent. Each of those guys I listed are more than just special hitters. They are guys that have the abilities and just know how to hit.

btw: I could include players like Daric Barton as far as natural talent. But I wanted to compare guys with Maybin's skill set (which is quite rare).

by pedrophile on Mar 6, 2008 12:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough
I think we're on a relatively similar wavelength.  One thing I do disagree with is the notion of Daric Barton as a "natural talent" for the game of baseball.  He is a hitting savant, but his apparent lack of other tools will always limit him in the caliber of player he can be.  He has very little speed, meaning he's going to cost his team runs on the basepaths, and his overall lacking athleticism will lead to poor glovework.  Granted, his bat seems to be special enough that it will gloss over these deficiencies, but I'd be inclined to reserve wonderkid status for just the rare Upton Bros.,A-Rod, Griffey, Mantle plateau.  

I agree with you that Maybin is not a natural talent for the game; he is too raw.  We also agree that his stunning tools are remarkably well suited for the game.  It's a different sort of natural talent, and I think we'd be well-served to distinguish between players with a natural aptitude for baseball and  those with a seemingly perfect toolset for baseball.  The really rare ones are those that have both a strong aptitude for baseball and the tools necessary to excel at the game.  In the case of a player like Barton, his hitting tools rate as very strong across the board, and this is what has allowed him to become such a good hitter.  As important as it is for a great athlete to have great baseball skills, a great baseball player must have the athleticism necessary to learn and perfect those skills. In this regard, I think Maybin is ideally suited to become a great player.

by GuyinNY on Mar 6, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I see...
years and years of manic depression. Like all traded prospects.

by Lt Melmo on Feb 28, 2008 12:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

it wasnt a ridiculous question
Take, for example, what Miguel Olivo said about being traded and how he acknowledged that messed with his psyche and on field performance.

Sure that is the exception to the rule, but it happens

by nms on Feb 28, 2008 8:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2-4 with both of those hits being doubles
in today's game.

am I the only one who rated him as the #1 prospect for 08?

by daveh33 on Feb 28, 2008 4:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yes
I reject your reality and substitute my own.

by WayneCampbell05 on Feb 29, 2008 9:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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