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Wlad Balentien

So what do you all think he is going to do next year? It looks like he has little shot of breaking camp with the big league team and will be sent back to AAA starting the year at the age of 23.

Here is some things to ponder
2005 539 PA 160 strikeouts  29.7 K%  6.1 BB% 49.6 XBH%
2006 522 PA 140 strikeouts  26.8 K%  13.4 BB% 45.1 XBH%
2007 544 PA 105 strikeouts  19.3 K%  9.9 BB% 37.4 XBH%

The trend of strikeouts dropping at every level is encouraging and I expect to drop moderately next year to 16% or so since he will be repeating the level. The walks look above average but nothing special. The Extra base hits in 2005 and 2006 looked pretty special and 37% is still nothing to sneeze at.

So what does everyone think Wlad has in store for this year? Will he have a killer spring and take Wilkerson or Ibanez's job (pushing Raul to DH)? will he rake the first couple months and force himself on to team late May, will he have a credible consolidation year and be poised to take the starting job in 2009, or will he regress

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The Mariners are supposedly going to run with a 11 man bullpen and a 14 man bench.  Assuming the starting players are set in stone, and pardon my rosterbating:

C - Jojima
1B - Sexson
2B - Lopez
SS - Betancourt
3B - Beltre
LF - Ibanez
CF - Ichiro
RF - Wilkerson
DH - Vidro

Then the bench might be the best chance for Wlad to go north with the team.  The speculated bench is something like so:

C - Burke
Suckfest - Miguel Cairo
IF/OF - Bloomquist

That leaves two wide open bench spots.  The M's have brought in quite a few roster invitees and signings that could make a decent bench.  Depending on who performs well in Spring Training, the M's could go north with two of the following:

Wladimir Balentien
Jeff Clement
Michael Morse (out of options)
Charlton Jimerson
Jeremy Reed
Greg Norton
Tug Hulett
Yung Chi Chen
Bryan LaHair
Rob Johnson

Clement is not likely.  The team has been vocal about making sure he gets his regular at bats and work in down in Tacoma, but he could be up later in the year.

Wladimir Balentien might be sent down (with his mysterious 4th option; a rule that I didn't know about before this last season) to prove he can hit.  He'd be called up quickly if he proves he can and if Wilkerson / Sexson / Ibanez / Vidro suck early.

Norton is the veteran, and probably favored.  Morse has always been a decent bench bat but he doesn't really play a defensive position well.  Reed is a lefty bat who can play CF if Ichiro needs a rest.  Jimerson is a fourth outfielder type who could fill in anywhere.  Hulett should be favored over Cairo, as he's got more upside, but I don't think he gets considered unless Lopez sucks badly again.  Chen, like Hulett, should be favored over Cairo.  LaHair needs more work, so he has virtually no chance to stay on the team.  Johnson is a catcher and the M's don't need three of those.

If I had to pick the bench, it'd be Hulett, Morse, Norton, Jimerson, and Burke, but nobody's asking me.  It'll be Bloomquist, Cairo, Burke, Norton, and Morse... that is... unless someone goes completely bananas.

by TIF on Feb 27, 2008 7:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

hmmm
wow i came to reply the post instead i've learned a lot.
thanks!

by bk11 on Feb 27, 2008 8:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bonds
it is my mission to get the Mariners to sign Barry Bonds.  

The offensive jump from Vidro to Bonds would be epic.

The go from having a laughable offense to:

Ichiro
Beltre
Bonds
Sexson
Ibanez
Johjima

which is actually pretty formidable (though the bottom is still pretty rubbish)

by Galt on Feb 27, 2008 10:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No way...
As I stated before, as a Mariner fan, I would rather finish the next four seasons with only 80s wins each than to have Bonds in the line-up for even one season. Bonds is a cancer I believe, and I don't want him infecting any of the young players.

The Mariners may not be one of the best 5 teams in baseball, but at least they don't have anyone on that team that is as much of a lying, me-first, cheating, big headed, circus act. Keep him far away from the beautiful pacific northwest.

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Feb 27, 2008 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's foolish
I'm also an M's fan.  They've brought in "bad" people before (Carl Everett anyone?).  Richie Sexson got busted for DUI, which I consider to be a much worse offense than PEDs.  Mike Morse got busted for steroids in the minors.  Et cetera.  

There's no way you can know that Bonds is a cancer - the only thing we really know about him is that he's going to attract a ridiculous amount of media attention.

Bill James, Chone, Marcel, and Zips all project Bonds as a .900 or higher OPS guys - he would improve the M's by several wins.  I'd love to see it.  I'm obviously not going to change your opinion though, which is perfectly fine.  USSMariner had a pretty good post about this yesterday, I believe.

by patsfan on Feb 27, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

based on what is he a cancer?
Because the San Fran fans didn't absolutely adore Bonds?

Because of all the run-ins he had in the clubhouse over the years with, um, and ah, um....Jeff Kent?  Jeff Kent who has gotten into fights with teammates on every team he's ever been on - and why he keeps getting traded?

Because of all the run-ins Bonds has had with the law, and his constant not trying, and asking out of the lineup?  

I don't get this hatred of Bonds.  So he doesn't talk to the press.  So he doesn't stand for 3 hours signing autographs so people can sell them to collectors.  The game is played on the field, where he's still fantastic.  

You can point to nothing about him being a "Cancer" in the dugout.  Maybe a "distraction" because the press won't shut up about steroids - probably a reason why he doesn't talk with the press.

by Galt on Feb 27, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"cancer"
OK -- i'm with you that Bonds himself doesn't destroy a team, and that, in terms of winning games, signing him is smart. (i'm not sure anyone outside the Bay Area should sign him economically though, because, CONTRARY to what you say, Bay Area fans are the ONLY ones who adore and forgive Bonds.)

i also might agree that his infractions are unfairly spotlighted by the media, because he doesn't play nice with them.

but Barry Bonds has been a self-absorbed prick, almost universally hated by teammates, his entire career, from his early days as a prima donna on the Pirates to his late days, lounging in his personal lockerroom La-Z-Boy on the Giants.

Jeff Kent is not the only player who's thought Barry doesn't care about anything besides Barry. until this past year, where it's been the PC thing to say, nobody in the Giants clubhouse had anything kind to say to him.

also, your causation of the "not-talking-to-the-press" thing, as i'm sure you know, is untrue. again, he's had to be restrained from screaming at the media from back when he was a skinny boy in Pittsburgh. the hatred of the media comes from his father's experience.

anyway, i don't think being a clubhouse cancer matters, but Barry Bonds most certainly is  one if there are any. again, other people may be just as bad, and not get the reputation since they're kinder to the press. but that doesn't make Barry Bonds less self-centered and filled with hatred and anger.

being the moral pariah Congress has turned him into may make him not worth signing.

by bleedjaxblue on Feb 27, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bonds has never been close with the press
Yes, I realize this.  I remember an SI article when he was first becoming a star with the Pirates which was all about how much Barry was arrogant and a dick.

But so what, there is no way THAT'S a cancer.  He hasn't thrown bats at umps.  He has't gotten in fights on the field.  He hasn't gotten arrested for DUI or beating his wife.

He's self absorbed and arrogant.  In a league with great athletes who surely were treated like kings their entire lives (as elite athletes often are) and now make millions of dollars a year, I'd venture to guess that a pretty large % of them are quite impressed with themselves (rightfully so).

His #1 infraction (prior to the roid controversy) was that he had no regard for the press, ignored them, or was downright dismissive of them.  

People may not have liked him, but for anyone to say that he was somehow disruptive to any team is downright false.  He produced epic numbers, the fans loved him, and aside from his tussle with Kent (who has had way more run-ins with teammates than Barry), I do not recall any "disruptive" action he's had in years and years.

by Galt on Feb 27, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

truthfully, i'm not sure....
....what you're defining a "clubhouse cancer" as.

if you're saying, "no one's a clubhouse cancer unless they adversely affect their teammates," then i'd agree that Bonds isn't. but i'd say that almost nobody in the history of humanity has a personality that does that.

alternatively, Bonds might negatively affect the team -- because of the media circus and fan distaste -- but you dismiss this because "it's not his fault" (or at least only INDIRECTLY his fault).

then you say, "He hasn't thrown bats at umps.  He has't gotten in fights on the field.  He hasn't gotten arrested for DUI or beating his wife."

first off, this isn't really true. he HAS beaten his wife (and kicked her while she was 8 months pregnant. (http://66.35.240.8/cgi-bin/article/article?f=/e/a/1995/12/07/NEWS7115.dtl). he may not have been arrested, but he has been indicted. and you dismiss the fight on the field he had, just because the other guy's an asshole too.

personally, i'd say a clubhouse cancer has nothing to do with this. a clubhouse cancer is someone who no one wants as a teammate, and teammates will sign elsewhere as soon as they become free agents just to get away from someone.

like i said -- i thinking signing Bonds would be a fine idea (except economically/politically), but i'm not sure how you can say he's not a clubhouse cancer.

a question for you, though: can you prove ANYONE in history has been "disruptive" to the point where their team lost games because of it?

by bleedjaxblue on Feb 27, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

from Barry's biography....
"Barry's college teammates voted 22-2 against him returning to the team after the manager suspended him for team violations.  Apparently, the manager did not expect this vote when he set it up and overruled the team."

i'll keep searching if you want more specific examples of his teammates hating him.

by bleedjaxblue on Feb 27, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes
and specifically examples that aren't 25 years old

by Galt on Feb 27, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'll post them one at a time
tell me if you need more:

"That was Barry Bonds' first season with the Giants and [Salomon] Torres remembers being bullied by the star left fielder. "Barry didn't like me. He was just a bully," Torres, 34, said. "He'd yell at me, tell me to shut up. I'd be in the showers and he would kick me out. If I knew then what I know now, I'd have handled that and a lot of other things differently."

Such as?

"With Barry, I'd probably have fought him right there and just got it over with," said Torres, who added he has since made his peace with Bonds."

honestly, it's not like specific examples abound. can you PROVE that ANY athlete is an asshole?

my dad met with Dusty Baker in a legal context while Dusty was the Giants manager, and Dusty did not think too kindly of Barry. this is not a controversial thing -- that everybody who knows Barry hates Barry.

by bleedjaxblue on Feb 27, 2008 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cancer...
may have been too strong a word. But he will definitely bring negative attention to the team, with all the press that follows him. I just don't think he is a positive person to bring into a relatively decent locker room. Sure a couple players on the team have had minor run-ins with the law or steroids, that happens with almost every team.

If Bonds were just Bonds without all the steroid allegations (which I believe) and the egocentric beliefs, and everything else he came with, I would be thrilled with the idea of Bonds the player joining the Mariners. But unfortunately, Bonds the person has to come with the player.

And, I think he would likely be overpaid for his services. Face it, he is in his mid-40s now and can't play every day. His defense has become a liability, and he won't hit 30 HRs. Basically, his greatest attribute now is his reputation as a slugger and pitch selection which allows him to get on base at a .400+ clip. He's probably wanting in the neighborhood of 12-18 million for the season, and I don't think he is worth it as a player.

Now, if I were on the business side of the Mariners Front Office, I think I would push for it. If Bonds can get an extra 800,000 people in the seats, at say an average of $20 per seat, that's 16 million right there. Plus concessions and other stuff.

But as a general manager, I would be against it. There are still a lot of young players on that team (Felix, Bedard, Lopez, Betancourt, Clement, Wlad, Beltre, etc) and I would not want Bonds to have any negative impact on them. I have no proof, but I sincerely doubt Bonds is the type of player to help out youngsters or take them under his wing. So veteran leadership isn't a selling point.

"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile

by Boxkutter on Feb 27, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Consolidation
and he'll be up in June if Wilkerson just falls flat.   If not, and if the M's are still forcing Ibanez in left, they Wlad will be ready in 2009.

I think the team really wants to make sure his defense is at least league average for an OF corner.   Some worry about his D; I think it's underrated.   We'll see.  

I'm hoping for an increased LD% in AAA, along the lines of Adam Jones' increase from 2006-2007 at Tacoma.   Not terribly likely, but if he does, he absolutely forces his way on the team.   Only way he can do this is to really learn to drive breaking balls, instead of fouling them off.   Again, Wlad's 2007 was very similar (and a bit better) than Jones' 2006, so hopefully Wlad really takes off in '08.

Bench spots go to Jimerson/Reed (also out of options) and Morse.   If Cairo sucks, they could dump him and replace with Chen or Norton.

by marc w on Feb 27, 2008 12:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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