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Joba vs. Clay must have been some knockdown drag-out fights.
The Rays have three pitchers (all at least AA and probably AAA to start the season) in the top 20.
I'm surprised Brett Anderson was so high.
by Galt on Feb 26, 2008 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The thing that first stuck out to me was...
by tt68 on Feb 26, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sox and Lowrie
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 26, 2008 12:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not a huge List Fan in General.
Elvis at 19 was a shock. A lot of the guys who just missed were pretty good too IMO.
I agree with Galt on Anderson too..
Otherwise lists don't get me going. Not a huge deal.
by Metty5 on Feb 26, 2008 12:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Some thoughts
Fuk U. Do me. # 30. Those who said he doesn't belong on our list - eat it.
Zero. The number of White Sux on the list. This makes me happy.
by slurve on Feb 26, 2008 12:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Blackburn
by halfchest on Feb 26, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blackburn
The stats don't say much good about him so I wouldn't expect a stats guy to be high on him.
And Frankly I'm mixed about him he should get a chance to start 10 games this year somehow and see where it goes from there.
by FrozenTed9 on Feb 26, 2008 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It says Ross Detweiler
by Trenchtown on Feb 26, 2008 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Uncle
I don't mind any of the individual placements on this list so long as you buy BA's "ceiling first" philosophy. Of course ceiling is seriously important, but I think likelihood of reaching it oughtta be a bigger consideration for them then it is. So I'd personally place people in the low minors and pitchers lower on the list, and pitchers in the low minors way down the list.
This is an old argument, and BA has actually gotten better about it, but still...
by abbreviatedman on Feb 26, 2008 1:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Errors
- LaRoche and Detwiler having the same blurb.
- Neftali Feliz being listed as a Boston SS.
by abbreviatedman on Feb 26, 2008 1:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts....
- Morales
- Adenhart
- LaRoche
- Kennedy
- Teagarden
Placements I think they need to change:
- Barton (WTF??? i think they're WAY off here -- he should EASILY be in the 20s, if not the teens)
- Stewart (lower)
- FDLS (higher)
- Jurrjens (lower)
- Gio (lower)
- Parra (higher)
by bleedjaxblue on Feb 26, 2008 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My guess on Barton
by Metty5 on Feb 26, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by CrimsonLiederhosen on Feb 26, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, yeah
i guess i disagree with it for a lot of reasons though.
- i think he has a great bat that would make him a well-above average major-leaguer even as a DH
- i think he'll at least be a first baseman for the next 6 years
- he's already hitting in the majors at age 21 -- and he's ranked 48th????? that's just insane
by bleedjaxblue on Feb 26, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with
I'm not too worried about the youngsters being established or not - this is a list that is predicated on the future. Anyone can report on a prospects accomplishments - the whole thing for BA, John and others forcasting what has the best chance of happening.
by slurve on Feb 26, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Top position for him was 103
by Metty5 on Feb 26, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
another placement....
by bleedjaxblue on Feb 26, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another miss
FWIW - I agree with John more than BA here. They look very equal to me right now.
by guru4u on Feb 26, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by dlpme77 on Feb 26, 2008 3:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lillibridge
by Jay212033 on Feb 26, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
James McDonald
WTF?
by dkny22 on Feb 26, 2008 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
McDonald
I think out of John, Goldstein, Law, BA, PP, he was only higher than 80 on one of the lists.
Stats aside, most of the scouting folks aren't very high on him.
by Galt on Feb 26, 2008 4:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
sure, typographically
by bleedjaxblue on Feb 26, 2008 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: McDonald
by dkny22 on Feb 26, 2008 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know where to find a spreadsheet of list?
by jdm3s on Feb 26, 2008 5:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
no
1 Jay Bruce OF, Reds
2 Evan Longoria 3B, Rays
3 Joba Chamberlain RHP, Yankees
4 Clay Buchholz RHP, Red Sox
5 Colby Rasmus OF, Cardinals
6 Cameron Maybin OF, Marlins
7 Clayton Kershaw LHP, Dodgers
8 Franklin Morales LHP, Rockies
9 Homer Bailey RHP, Reds
10 David Price RHP, Rays
11 Travis Snider OF, Blue Jays
12 Matt Wieters C, Orioles
13 Jacoby Ellsbury OF, Red Sox
14 Andrew Mccutchen OF, Pirates
15 Jake Mcgee LHP, Rays
16 Brandon Wood 3B/SS, Angels
17 Wade Davis RHP, Rays
18 Mike Moustakas SS, Royals
19 Elvis Andrus SS, Rangers
20 Fernando Martinez OF, Twins
21 Rick Porcello RHP, Tigers
22 Carlos Gonzalez OF, Athletics
23 Matt Laporta OF, Brewers
24 Nick Adenhart RHP, Angels
25 Jordan Schafer OF, Braves
26 Gio Gonzalez LHP, Athletics
27 Chris Marrero 1B/OF, Nationals
28 Jason Heyward OF, Braves
29 Adam Miller RHP, Indians
30 Kosuke Fukudome OF, Cubs
31 Andy Laroche 3B, Dodgers
32 Chase Headley 3B/OF, Padres
33 Angel Villalona 3B/1B, Giants
34 Johnny Cueto RHP, Reds
35 Deolis Guerra RHP, Twins
36 Brett Anderson LHP, Athletics
37 Jose Tabata OF, Yankees
38 Ian Stewart 3B, Rockies
39 Reid Brignac SS, Rays
40 Lars Anderson 1B, Red Sox
41 Austin Jackson OF, Yankees
42 Jeff Clement C, Mariners
43 Josh Vitters 3B, Cubs
44 Joey Votto 1B, Reds
45 Ian Kennedy RHP, Yankees
46 Jarrod Parker RHP, Diamondbacks
47 Geovany Soto C, Cubs
48 Daric Barton 1B, Athletics
49 Jair Jurrjens RHP, Braves
50 Matt Antonelli 2B, Padres
51 Ross Detwiler LHP, Nationals
52 Carlos Gomez OF, Twins
53 J.R. Towles C, Astros
54 Carlos Carrasco RHP, Phillies
55 Chin-Lung Hu SS, Dodgers
56 Nick Blackburn RHP, Twins
57 Daniel Cortes RHP, Royals
58 Chris Volstad RHP, Marlins
59 Desmond Jennings OF, Rays
60 Fautino De Los Santos RHP, Athletics
61 Neil Walker 3B, Pirates
62 Carlos Triunfel SS, Mariners
63 Luke Hochevar RHP, Royals
64 Justin Masterson RHP, Red Sox
65 Chris Davis 3B/1B, Rangers
66 Max Scherzer RHP, Diamondbacks
67 Chris Tillman RHP, Orioles
68 Brett Sinkbeil RHP, Marlins
69 Radhames Liz RHP, Orioles
70 Brandon Jones OF, Braves
71 Chuck Lofgren LHP, Indians
72 Manny Parra LHP, Brewers
73 Jed Lowrie SS, Red Sox
74 Dexter Fowler OF, Rockies
75 Tyler Colvin OF, Cubs
76 Adrian Cardenas 2B, Phillies
77 Eric Hurley RHP, Rangers
78 Troy Patton LHP, Orioles
79 Hank Conger C, Angels
80 Taylor Teagarden C, Rangers
81 Jordan Walden RHP, Angels
82 Sean Gallagher RHP, Cubs
83 Phillippe Aumont RHP, Mariners
84 Tim Alderson RHP, Giants
85 Bryan Anderson C, Cardinals
86 Collin Balester RHP, Nationals
87 Beau Mills 3B/1B, Indians
88 Scott Elbert LHP, Dodgers
89 Steve Pearce 1B/OF, Pirates
90 Joe Savery LHP, Phillies
91 Nolan Reimold OF, Orioles
92 Gorkys Hernandez OF, Braves
93 Neftali Feliz RHP, Rangers
94 Michael Bowden RHP, Red Sox
95 Hector Gomez SS, Rockies
96 Ryan Kalish OF, Red Sox
97 Chris Perez RHP, Cardinals
98 Greg Reynolds RHP, Diamondbacks
99 Jeff Niemann RHP, Rays
100 Drew Stubbs OF, Reds
by Galt on Feb 26, 2008 5:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
spreadsheet
http://blog.baseballdigestdaily.com/blog/_archives/2007/11/20/3365039.html
Enjoy.
by laughlin on Feb 26, 2008 5:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Impressed by BA's list
by SFG2008 on Feb 26, 2008 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
a guy
by IHateMitchMustain on Feb 26, 2008 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cortes
Maybe it is just that i've lost too many brian cells
by SFG2008 on Feb 26, 2008 9:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
from the white sox
by SoCalSoxFan on Feb 27, 2008 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Grading my predictions
1 (1) Jay Bruce
2 (2) Evan Longoria
3 (4) Clay Buchholz
4 (3) Joba Chamberlain
5 (7) Clayton Kershaw
6 (5) Colby Rasmus
7 (6) Cameron Maybin
8 (10) David Price
9 (11) Travis Snider
10 (9) Homer Bailey
11 (12) Matt Wieters
12 (15) Jake McGee
13 (21) Rick Porcello
14 (13) Jacoby Ellsbury
15 (18) Mike Moustakas
16 (31) Andy LaRoche
17 (14) Andrew McCutchen
18 (16) Brandon Wood
19 (23) Matt LaPorta
20 (17) Wade Davis
21 (39) Reid Brignac
22 (20) Fernando Martinez
23 (8) Franklin Morales
24 (22) Carlos Gonzalez
25 (30) Kosuke Fukudome
26 (44) Joey Votto
27 (28) Jason Heyward
28 (25) Jordan Schafer
29 (33) Angel Villalona
30 (37) Jose Tabata
31 (42) Jeff Clement
32 (34) Johnny Cueto
33 (27) Chris Marrero
34 (59) Desmond Jennings
35 (41) Austin Jackson
36 (36) Brett Anderson
37 (40) Lars Anderson
38 (26) Gio Gonzalez
39 (29) Adam Miller
40 (24) Nick Adenhart
41 (32) Chase Headley
42 (43) Josh Vitters
43 (35) Deolis Guerra
44 (60) Fautino De Los Santos
45 (51) Ross Detwiler
46 (19) Elvis Andrus
47 (46) Jarrod Parker
48 (58) Chris Volstad
49 (50) Matt Antonelli
50 (38) Ian Stewart
51 (74) Dexter Fowler
52 (57) Daniel Cortes
53 (84) Tim Alderson
54 (64) Justin Masterson
55 (83) Phillipe Aumont
56 (67) Chris Tillman
57 (62) Carlos Triunfel
58 (52) Carlos Gomez
59 (54) Carlos Carrasco
60 (55) Chin-Lung Hu
61 (48) Daric Barton
62 (63) Luke Hochevar
63 (45) Ian Kennedy
64 (49) Jair Jurrjens
65 (73) Jed Lowrie
66 (72) Manny Parra
67 (61) Neil Walker
68 (47) Geovany Soto
69 (53) J.R. Towles
70 (65) Chris Davis
71 (77) Eric Hurley
72 (98) Greg Reynolds
73 (70) Brandon Jones
74 (92) Gorkys Hernandez
75 (NR) Hiroki Kuroda
76 (81) Jordan Walden
77 (NR) Matt Latos
78 (89) Stephen Pearce
79 (79) Hank Conger
80 (80) Taylor Teagarden
81 (88) Scott Elbert
82 (66) Max Scherzer
83 (69) Radhames Liz
84 (NR) Madison Bumgarner
85 (NR) Aaron Poreda
86 (87) Beau Mills
87 (NR) Wladimir Balentien
88 (99) Jeff Niemann
89 (78) Troy Patton
90 (71) Chuck Lofgren
91 (95) Hector Gomez
92 (NR) Brent Lillibridge
93 (94) Michael Bowden
94 (75) Tyler Colvin
95 (76) Adrian Cardenas
96 (NR) Bill Rowell
97 (86) Colin Balester
98 (NR) Mike Burgess
99 (100) Drew Stubbs
100 (97) Chris Perez
HM (96) Ryan Kalish
HM (NR) Will Inman
HM (NR) Jeremy Hellickson
HM (NR) Henry Sosa
HM (NR) Jaime Garcia
HM (NR) Wes Hodges
HM (68) Brett Sinkbeil
HM (NR) Cole Rohrbough
HM (85) Bryan Anderson
HM (56) Nick Blackburn
I think I did pretty well. I'd give myself at least a B+. There were only 8 guys on BA's list that werent on mine and none of these were above #75 on my list. The 2 highest guys on their list that I didnt have were Blackburn at #56 and Sinkbeil at #68, and both of them I had among my 10 Honorable mentions. The other 6 I missed were Sean Gallagher (#82), Bryan Anderson (#85), Joe Savery (#90), Nolan Reimold (#91), Neftali Feliz (#93) and Ryan Kalish (#96).
The biggest surprises were Andrus and Blackburn, and I already knew that was going to be, and I commented on them in the original thread. I wasnt that surprised that Rowell didnt make the list but was very surprised that Reimold did. He was only an HM last year, and had another injury-plagued season. I cant explain that one, even tho I'm still a Reimold supporter.
Brignac being as low as he was was another surprise. Even tho he's still #39, I just dont see where his status should have taken much of a hit at all.
Morales at #8 was surprising. Knew he was going to be high but hadnt heard anyone rank him on a par w guys like Kershaw. Adenhart at #24 also was surprising considering his K-rate last year and other concerns. LaRoche and Votto being as low as they were also surprised me.
As I predicted, 5 Orioles were on the list (including Patton), and I'll bet Rowell is an honorable mention. Things finally may be looking up!
by rhd on Feb 27, 2008 12:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
morales
i could have sworn i myself made that exact comparison a few months ago on this site. i may have even said "clayton kershaw in 2 years will be franklin morales."
having said that, i'm actually totally shocked that BA ranked them so close. i was pretty sure they were going to slot kershaw in ahead of buchholz & joba (which would have been a massive error in my opinion).
by jpahk on Feb 27, 2008 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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