You're the GM! Mets Edition
by Rob Castellano on Dec 5, 2008 8:10 PM EST
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PrintPop quiz hotshot: You're the Mets GM. Just came off the second year in a row where your bullpen sputtered to the finish line, handing filthadelphia the division and leaving you a game short. 2/5 of your rotation is in the air and to make matters worse, your closer will miss all of '09. You're also moving into a new ballpark and are definitely in win-now mode. What do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO?
Sorry if I'm being hasty but with the Winter Meetings looming, it doesn't look like John's going to get to the Mets before much of the action takes place and I've been interested in hearing people opinions for a while. Obviously there will still be some movement afterwards but its more fun to suppose before the bigger names are gone. Plus I'm bored.
PS - if anyone can name the significance of the 2nd mets-related photo i'll be impressed
Just to kick things off I'll make the first post:
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Comprehensive '09 Mets Personnel Changes / Projected Roster (very in-depth, aimed at hardcore mets fans only)
There are 3 issues that are getting all the press: closer, LF and 2B. And then 3 more that need to be addressed in the rest of the bullpen, the rotation and the bench. So I’ll address them individually and keep in mind that ownership has spoken about raising payroll by only about $20mil this year so I’m thinking you have $35-40mil to spend:
- Closer – Trade for JJ Putz. Package Heilman, Kunz & Nick Evans/Mike Carp. Teams still have interest in Heilman as a starter. Putz only has 1 more year (and an option) under contract, Seattle has to at least consider that. As far as K-Rod, hes getting less effective every year (more baserunners, higher era, less k’s) but for 3yrs, I’d do it. Tough to do because Cordero got 4yrs last year and K-Rod is younger/better but at least try. Don’t give Fuentes more than 2yrs, I mean the guy is 33 vs K-Rod at 26. He wants the Lidge deal, without putting up Lidge’s perfect season. I like Jenks but I want to keep my top prospects so no. Especially since it wouldn’t cost a draft pick sign Kerry Wood at 2yrs/$20mil, use him as a closer only if you have to, but try to bring in another guy this or next year so you can slot Wood in the 8th. Valverde is available, but HOU only trades if they’re fleecing you so no. This is all assuming that Soria costs too much because hes obviously the best. No to the following: Street who just isn’t that great, Gagne, Izzy, Hoffman is done and Sherrill sucks.
- LF – A platoon of Murphy/Tatis would work fine but Manny is tempting for the long term. The hustle and attitude stuff is overblown and the defense is bad but so is Tatis & Murphy. I don’t want to go past 3yrs but Manny is the only FA I consider giving 4yrs because Delgado is almost done and there are very few PROVEN 4 hitters available around baseball to replace him. I hate passing on an opportunity at a truly great player when they are available so rarely. Cheaper alternative: deal Castillo for either Eric Byrnes or Jose Guillen. Both teams need a 2B and want to trade. From the Mets perspective, neither Byrnes nor Guillen is a ideal but they’d work and you have to take that chance to erase Castillo. But it sounds like both teams don’t want Castillo anyway. I’d like Jermaine Dye but I won’t give any of my top prospects for him so thats out. I’m intrigued by this underrated/riskier option: sign Milton Bradley to a 2yr deal. Everyone immediately says “headcase” but in Texas people said he was tremendous in the clubhouse, which we need and then on the field, all the guy does is rake especially against lefties which again we need. He could capably replace Delgado’s production without the burden of a longterm deal. If he misses time sub Fernando (Tatis/Martinez) and his D might be bad but its not a dealbreaker. Although I will admit that this a best-case scenario that definitely isn’t a sure thing. Ibanez & Abreu are more steady, they rarely miss time and they’re good guys and all but they want multiple years and cost picks and we don’t need another lefty 6 hitter. Plus would either be THAT much better than Tatis/Murphy? I say no. 2 Interesting out on a limb ideas: 1. sign Adam Dunn for 2-3yrs. First of all, hes underrated by the mainstream especially if hes hitting 5-6 for us. Hes not ideal as a lefty, with all the K’s and the low BA but 40hrs with high OBPs EVERY year makes him stand out. Plus you can put him in left for ‘09 then once Delgado’s deal is up (since theres NOBODY on the ‘10 FA 1B market) stick him at 1B for the next few years and you’ve solved 1B. You leave it open for Carp/Evans/Murphy/Davis to play some first but its not the worst idea since his value is down, he replaces Delgado’s power and he won’t cost picks. Idea 2. Trade for Carlos Lee. This solves the 4 hitter issue and HOU wants to slash payroll by $20+mil, Lee makes $17mil. Hes ideal as righty who crushes lefties, rakes with RISP and has 4yrs left under contract. But I won’t give Pelfrey or Murphy; I’d offer a package of Church, Niese, Parnell and mid-level prospects. If they want Fernando I’d consider it but then I keep Church. However, hes basically Manny except you have to give up young players instead of money which I don’t like. And chances are their price is too high anyway.
- 2b – I’d take a big risk and give it to Murphy. His value skyrockets at 2B whereas in LF hes average. Hes a natural IF with decent hands, his defense was was passable in the AFL but I don’t need stellar D, passable is fine because the dude is a hitter. Isn’t that what they said about Chase? Either way, you need a righty off the bench who can play 2B, a Punto-Hairston type. I like Orlando Hudson and I like Furcal even more but I hate that we’d need to offer a big 4yr deal to a 2B for the 2nd year in a row. Now if we can’t get a good LF and we haven’t spent big money anywhere, only then would I think about playing Murphy in LF and signing Hudson or Furcal @ 4yrs/36mil. Castillo is the backup off the bench.
- Bullpen – Heilman, Schoeneweis and Sanchez CAN’T be back. Schoeneweis you deal anywhere for any kind of player at any level. Sanchez wouldn’t even bring that back so you stash him in AAA for as long as he sucks. And if we didn’t spend big on Manny or anyone else I don’t think it would be crazy to try to bring in 2 guys and have 1 set up. Someone like Wood or Street for the 8th. We’d go with Joe Smith and Feliciano, Stokes in a lesser role, try out Dillon Gee & Tobi Stoner in spring who both look almost ready to help and I see Bobby Parnell’s future in the 8th inning but I’d start him until he shows me he can’t do it, ideally spending the year in AAA. I’d even think about re-signing Ayala (1 yr only), again in a much lesser role. I’d get both Darren Oliver and Juan Cruz with 2yr deals. I’d even think about 3 for Cruz if we couldn’t get Wood or Street for the 8th, but Oliver is 39 and type A so hes less crucial. If no Oliver then either Mark Hendrickson or Chan Ho Park (both 1 yr deals) as a longman. Basically I don’t want to sign any reliever but Wood, Fuentes, Oliver or Cruz to a multi-year deal, period. No Lyon, Beimel, Shouse, anyone. Look at a 1yr or minor league deal for Chad Cordero to see what hes got left. No reason not to use the Rule 5 draft as a cheap way to bolster the bullpen. Interesting guys: Morlan, Lahey, Veal, Nicoll, Mason, Kilby and Yankees Horne, Whelan & Cox. No excuse not to try one (or more) in spring and cut them if they stink. Then keep scouring the trash for another Stokes-type. I hear we’re watching former Indian Fernando Cabrera and theres minor league FA’s like Kevin Cameron who was good for SD or Josh Sharpless from PIT. Every year theres a JC Romero that was available to anyone that thrives so again, bring lots of guys in on minor league deals and try them in the spring. Also, I like the success rates of Japanese relievers and there are a few coming over. I would try to sign an under the radar, Okajima/Saito-type and if he stinks, cut him. Uehara isn’t under the radar but if you can sign him cheap do it, especially since he won’t cost picks.
- Starters – We need 2 starters, 1 mid-rotation guy, 1 journeyman to battle Niese. Sabathia is out. I want Perez but I don’t give him or any other starter 4yrs which means he walks. Same for Lowe and Burnett. My favorite option: the rumor about Heilman+ (I’d give Evans/Carp & Kunz, obviously if we don’t do the Putz deal) for Sonnanstine from TB who needs to clear space for Price, Davis, etc. His minors ERA was 2.71 and he just put up a solid 4.38 ERA in his first full year, in the AL East. In the NL, if he can give you a 3.75-4era I’m happy with that considering hes controlled for 5 more years. On the other hand I have NO interest in trading for the other expendable Rays starter, Edwin Jackson. I consider Randy Wolf & Jon Garland @ 1 yr for cheap but Garland wants longterm and I refuse so hes out. I’d consider Randy Johnson on a 1yr deal but he won’t came back to NY. If all else fails, I move Heilman to the rotation and tell him to put his money where his (agent’s) mouth is. Then, the journeyman to battle for the 5 spot; we’ve already got Jason Vargas, I don’t think Parnell is ready to start in the majors but he dominated the AFL so give him a shot then sign a Bartolo Colon, Brian Moehler type to minor league deals. Then guys like Figueroa & Vargas would be waiting in Buffalo in case of injury/ineffectiveness. A few out on a limb ideas: Bring Pedro back but only to battle for the 5 spot; be ready to pull him if hes ineffective. Sign Penny, again only as a #5, on a 1yr deal, 2 if its cheap. Same idea with Carl Pavano and Mark Prior. Ben Sheets is strange, everyone is saying “Let someone else sign him, hes too injury prone” so he may actually be undervalued. Its unlikely but if thats the case and you can steal him for a 2yr deal at 15-17mil per, do it.
- Bench – You need righties, especially if you trade Evans. Tatis, Reyes and Pagan are back. I’d like to see Easley back but his D at 2B is not good, though at this point nobodys a perfect option. Offer a 1 yr deal to a guy like Jerry Hairston, Easley, Ramon Martinez, Punto, Iguchi, Bloomquist. All guys who can spell Murphy or Castillo at 2B or Reyes at SS and can all hit enough off the bench. Like I said earlier, I’d use Castillo off the bench and if you need lefty pop bring up Mike Carp. Another kind of crazy idea: bring back Cliff Floyd on a 1yr deal. It won’t happen because we don’t need another lefty or another (non-versatile) OF off the bench but the impact he had in the clubhouse alone is worth it to me and he could provide some lefty pop, again strictly off the bench. But more importantly, this team needs someone who will speak up in the clubhouse. I heard an idea about trading Castillo to STL who is looking to deal Adam Kennedy. Obviously we’d have to pick up a lot of cash since Kennedy only has a year left but I’d do it in a second then use him as the IF off the bench.
- Catcher – All this recent talk about a new, better-hitting catcher (possibly Molina or Ramon Hernandez) is unnecessary, it reminds me of last year when we were fine at 2B with Gotay & Easley but that wasn’t good enough, we needed a 2B who could hit AND field so we got Castillo. A new catcher is a mistake because theres nobody out there who is a clear improvement over what we’ve got, and then what do you do with Schneider and/or Castro? Its a waste of resources and it shouldn’t be done. Even with Schneider and Castro both basically hurt all year we got average production out of the catcher spot (approx. 18hrs, 260BA, .330OBP) with passable D, which is fine. And honestly that wasn’t the reason this team didn’t make it to the playoffs, thats just change for the sake of change which is a bad thing when you already have money invested in acceptable players. Its nitpicking is what it is.
Basically I try to bring back the same team as possible, obviously overhauling the bullpen. The whole “break up the core” stuff is BS being spewed by idiots (Mike Francesa) trying to sell paper or airtime. The core of this team is stronger than any other in the majors; with even an average bullpen the ’08 team wins almost 100 games. With a good closer, the right complementary parts and a little luck it could win multiple championships in the next 5 years, period.
My Projected (most effective/somewhat likely) Roster:
Lineup:
SS Reyes
CF Beltran
LF Bradley
1B Delgado
3B Wright
2B Murphy
RF Church
C Schneider
Rotation:
Santana
Maine
Pelfrey
Sonnanstine
Vargas
(Niese, Parnell & Figueroa waiting for injury/ineffectiveness)
Bullpen:
Wood
Putz
J.Smith
Uehara
Feliciano
Hendrickson
(Stokes, Parnell & Gee/Stoner waiting)
Bench:
Endy
Tatis
Castillo
Pagan
Punto
Castro
(A.Reyes, Carp & FMart waiting)
Very deep
If I dont mention it, then I can see it happening so here are some that I dont see happening
1. Will Heilman, Kunz, Evans/Carp cut it for Putz? 50-50 right there
2. Trade for Carlos Lee. HOU is in denial that they are .500 team and I think Lee likes it in HOU
3. Milton Bradley batting 3rd and David Wright batting 5th? Say whaaa?
all reasonable complaints
for putz, like i said a guy coming off an injury plagued season with only a couple more years under contract, seattle has to at least consider. but you’re right they do probably get a better offer elsewhere.
you’re right about lee, theres little chance of that happening. just an out of the box idea.
as far as the batting order, i didn’t give that much thought and you’re probably right, i don’t know why wright wouldn’t bat 3rd. i slotted bradley there because of his monstrous OBP this season.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 6, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
look at bradleys stats last year
was the best hitter possibly in baseball when he played
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
+1
exactly. still unlikely that he could play LF for even 130 games but like i say, best case scenario.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 7, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
you trade Hielman twice
and i think your trades favor the mets significantly.
Some of the most violent things I’ve ever seen were at Raiders games. And I’ve been to jail. - leopold bloom
by designatedforassignment on Dec 7, 2008 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
obviously
you go with whichever trade works as one or both probably gets rejected in real life.
as far as the fairness, i think they’re at least somewhat fair. i mean if you give heilman, kunz and mike carp for putz, you’re giving approx. 14yrs of cost controlled service years for 1yr w/ an option yr.
and sonnanstine is a 3-5 starter, i can’t see TB asking for THAT much more. now if you told me that both teams might receive better offers for those guys i’d buy it but its not like both trades completely rip them off.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 7, 2008 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
That makes little sense
You build your roster around two trades of one player that you admit will probably both get rejected anyway?
As for the fairness. Generally, AA bulpen arms with < a 2:1 k/bb ratio don’t really do much to me and Kuntz is the best spec in the deal. Carp was a C prospect before this year and had to repeat AA, which considering his age isn’t damning but surely says something. I don’t see why the M’s would want Heilman either, the reliever that a team desperate for bullpen help is pleading other people to give away.
Some of the most violent things I’ve ever seen were at Raiders games. And I’ve been to jail. - leopold bloom
by designatedforassignment on Dec 8, 2008 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
fine
i’ve hit all of this but i’ll hit it again. and for the record, i was giving ground by saying both probably get rejected, IMO both get accepted by rational management (in a vacuum that is, which is the only way we can do these things because i can’t know what others teams might offer)
first of all, what the hell do the mariners need a closer for? they might not win 70 games
second of all, yes hes been great but this year his numbers skyrocketed and if you wanna say it was injuries, fine hes injured! another reason to drop his stock. you can’t expect to get back what you would have gotten of his dominant ‘07, thats what i meant about being rational. for the most part, players don’t get traded off injured seasons, because there value is too low.
you didn’t address that the mariners, again who are rebuilding, edge out the mets by about 13 service years in this trade. thats significant. and if you look at rebuilding teams trades recently you’ll see that this is a dealbreaker. thats why we’ve seen so many 4 or 5 for 1 trades.
heilman looks lost as a reliever but as i and many others have noted, many other teams still see him as a starter, the mets don’t but others do. and these teams think they might be able to acquire a mid-rotation starter for cheap, much cheaper than the 4yrs $44mil that mid guys like carlos silva cost. think the mariners might go along with that line of thinking?
besides that the guy still throws 95, throws a very good change, throws a third pitch (slider) and has had success as a starter. he was bitten by the HR ball the last couple years and as a result he started to nibble but his #‘s otherwise aren’t terrible. and if we throw out last season like you seem to want to do with carp and putz, then heilman looks great. the mets aren’t “giving him away”, theyre moving him because both sides would do better to move on, he wants to start and the mets feel its affecting his performance as a reliever. if they were giving him away how come we’re not hearing about duaner sanchez and schoeneweis in trades too?
kunz was bad because he was rushed up in his first pro season due to organizational need. for the bulk of the year he was very successful in AA, like you said he walked too many guys but again, first full season and things like that are meant to be worked on. and with one of the best sinking fastballs in organized baseball i think thats forgivable especially with an era in the 2’s.
at this point the 3rd player is negligible. if you think you’re getting fmart, again be rational. you’ve already gotten a mid-rotation starter and an upper minors reliever with closer stuff for a guy who may be hurt and showed he obviously can’t pitch that way with only a year left on his contract. carp should be more than enough here. yes he repeated AA but all that says is that they’re not all going to be evan longoria here, some guys actually need development time. he just posted a .300avg, nearly 20hrs and a nearly 1:1 k/bb in a career season in a career where hes always slugged and the k/bb trends are improving annually. believe it or not, over time, hes developing. some would consider that a very interesting player, especially in an organization starved for hitter and hes the throw-in. you don’t like him? take nick evans instead but that offer should be enough to the rational GM.
same goes for sonnanstine, this package is enough.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 8, 2008 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
I'll try
Excuse me if it’s not as lengthy as robcast23’s, but here goes.
Position in order of importance
CL: Kerry Wood, 2yr, 20 million with a vesting option for a third year: Wood is the best closer deal out there- go for him.
LF: Luis Castillo for either Eric Byrnes or Jose Guillen- this frees up space at 2B for my next move, and it also gets me a player that has much more upside than Luis Castillo- Guillen is one year removed from a .290/.353./.460 season and Byrnes (while injured) is probably good for roughly the same line and a bunch of SB to boot.
2B: Mark Gruzalanek. What can I say, I like the Royal castoffs… make it a 1 year deal for about 2 million with incentives or a team option for a second year.
Bullpen: Fun stuff- go after a second tier agent like Juan Cruz for a contract similar to the one Jeremy Affelt got- say 2yr, 8-9 million. Then, start trolling waivers for cheap pickups. Also consider the Rule V draft for a toolsy pickup.
Rotation: Here’s how it should look right now:
Santana
Maine
Pelfrey
So you’re looking for a #2 and a #5 starter. You can use Niese as a #5 or bring in an innings eater. I’d suggest pulling in the innings eater (say, Garland or Wolf) and signing Ben Sheets at 2yr, 25 million per with incentives. Sheets is definitely high upside, but if he gets injured, you can use Niese to take his spot. If he stays healthy, use Niese as your longman out of the pen to mop up after starters or in case of injury.
C: Boy, you’re screwed. Several options here- none great. So stay put with Schneider and try to draft someone.
Opening Day Lineup:
SS Reyes
LF Guillen/Byrnes
CF Beltran
3B Wright
1B Delgado
RF Church
2B Grudz
C Schneider
Rotation:
Santana
Sheets
Maine
Pelfrey
Wolf/Garland
Bullpen:
Wood
Cruz
Heilman
Smith
Feliciano
Cruz
is Type A. No one is signing a Type A setup man.
by METSMETSMETS on Dec 5, 2008 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
If I was their GM...
I would do as follows:
Sign CL K- Rod- Best closer available. Price will drop
Sign RP T. Gordon- Decent shot at doing good.
Sign 2B R. Durham- Solid player
Sign SP B. Penny- potential all star if he can stay healthy. could be cheap
Trade F- Mart and Heilman to White Sox for Jermaine Dye
Trade Niese, Carp, and Kunz to Mariners for E. Bedard
Line-up
1. J. Reyes
2. C. Beltran
3. D. Wright
4. C. Delgado
5. J. Dye
6. R. Church
7. R. Durham
8. B. Schneider
Rotation
1. J. Santana
2. J. Maine
3. E. Bedard
4. M. Pelfrey
5. B. Penny
CL K- Rod
T. Gordon
J. Smith
P. Feliciano
No way
I wouldn’t give up either one of them for Dye.
I dont think they would give up Dye for either one lol. Martinez is a B/B+ prospect. Dye is a .275 hitter with 30 HR power, Murphy will be a utility man and Heilman will be a 5th starter/mid reliever. I would keep Martinez and hope his value rises.
+1
Omar already said Murphy wont play 2B… so what the hell is he? A pretty crappy, run of the mill OFer.
Say what?
Murphy has a very special stick. His OPS is unlikely to ever crest a very high level due to his likely inability to add more power to his game, but Murphy is still likely to be a very good player. There is no reason why Murphy cannot develop into at least a mediocre defensive LF, and he is a very professional hitter, capable of working counts and producing high BA’s and OBP’s. He makes excellent contact, and is very skilled at squaring the ball, all while displaying terrific plate discipline.
How can a very good hitter be a crappy, run of the mill OF? I’d wager Murphy is more likely to become a notable player, if only for his bat.
The Second Photo
I am not sure what it has to do with the Mets, but the second photo is of Mjolnir, the hammer of Marvel Comic’s Thor character. Maybe we can think our way through this?
warmer
the comic character or the norse god, whichever
by Rob Castellano on Dec 6, 2008 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
colder
i’ll give you a hint: its a reference to a specific player, affiliated with the mets
by Rob Castellano on Dec 7, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
another hint
he had the greatest nickname/sideburns in mets history
by Rob Castellano on Dec 7, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
HA
i fogot about that one.
but you’re definitely on the right track now. very warm.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 7, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of Hammers in baseball history
Hammerin’ Hank Aaron, Hank “the Hammer” Greenberg, Phil Humber throws a hammer curveball, Shawn “the Hebrew Hammer” Green, etc.
And Mike Piazza had some pretty nice ’burns.
not piazza
but keep thinking about those hammers and you’ll get it…
by Rob Castellano on Dec 8, 2008 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
and the answer...
John “The Hammer” Milner
IMO this guy is the real “hammer”, all the rest are just pretenders. the milner-mjolnir connection is just too good.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 8, 2008 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
good thing we all know you disprove
and by the way i really love your alternative suggestions
keep up the good work!
by Rob Castellano on Dec 6, 2008 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
honestly
i don’t really care. it’s just pretty funny someone thinks he can play the field a full season even while he’s been a full time DH for a while, and still gets injured a ton.
Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.
well
like i said, that idea was most definitely a best-case scenario and an unlikely one at that
by Rob Castellano on Dec 6, 2008 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Pardon my confusion
But (a) why does the OP have David Wright batting fifth, and (b) aren’t you somewhat worried that Carlos Delgado’s mummified corpse will come crashing back to earth at terminal velocity? (Forgive the mixed metaphor.)
Hmmm, where do I begin....
I have two plans. The first is weird:
Trades:
Trade Carlos Delgado to the Giants in exchange for Brian Wilson, Jonathan Sanchez and a PTBNL
Trade Aaron Heilman and Nick Evans to the Rockies for Huston Street
Trade Eddie Kunz and another pitching prospect to the Brewers for Rickie Weeks
Test the market for prospects like Mike Carp, Michael Olmsted, Dillon Gee, etc.
Signings:
Randy Johnson to 1 year, $7 million contract
Francisco Rodriguez to 4 year, $44 million contract
Mark Teixeira to 6 year, $96 million contract
Jon Garland to 3 year, $24 million contract
Second plan is pretty down to Earth:
Trade:
Aaron Heilman and Mike Carp to Rockies for Huston Street
Sign:
Pat Burrell if possible to 2 year $24 million contract (if not, sign Juan Rivera to 2 year contract)
Francisco Rodriguez to 3 year, $42 million contract
Randy Johnson to 1 year, $7 million contract
Jon Garland to 3 year, $24 million contract.
Too little cash for Tex
He can crack over 100 million with someone.
by David Tokarz on Dec 5, 2008 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ya if that's the best offer he got he could accept arb.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Dec 6, 2008 4:41 AM EST up reply actions
I thought it was too late for that
as of Dec 15th? Or is that just signing with the team that offered you arb?
Are you assuming that everyone is desperate to play for the Mets?
"We were s--, pathetic," Guillen growled early in spring training. "We hit too many home runs."
The contracts
K-rod’s price is going way down. The Brewers are the only real competition for him And actually K-rod said he’s willing to accept a 4 year $48 million contract. I don’t nexessarily expect all the contracts to be this small, especially Tex, Burrell and Garland (Garland won’t get much more, though)
by METSMETSMETS on Dec 6, 2008 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
1. Would SF accept that offer? I like it, sell high buy low on 2 young pitchers. I like it a lot. But then I wouldn’t trade Evans. Instead I would let him, Murphy and Carp battle it out at 1st.
2. Forget Teixeira at 8 figures. He will get 8 years 160 million.
3. I think K-Rod has too much pride to accept less than Francisco Cordero’s numbers. So if he don’t get 4 years 50 million, he might save face and return to the Angels for less.
4. Can you explain why you want Weeks? Battle with Castillo? You would have 2 unhappy, underperforming 2nd basemen.
responses
1. SF has a bunch of pitching, and Wilson and Sanchez are some of their worst. What they don’t have is a bat. And if Nathan and Liriano and Bonser are expendable for Pierzynski this is within the realm of possiblity
2. It’s obvious that Tex would get more, and I’d be willing to pay it, but there’s no way anyone will pay t he 8 year, $160 million. Here’s why
- If the Yankees were to steal Tex from the Angels, they lose Sabathia to them
- The Angels don’y have the cash that the Mets or Yankees have at hand, so the price would be driven down
3. The Angels don’t want K-rod because they can’t afford Tex or Sabathiawith him. Supposedly no one on the market has been offering more than 3 years, and the Mets’ only competition is the Brewers. 4 years at $50 million is the most he’s getting. Also, it’s not about pride, it’s about the agent.
4. Weeks provides an at least average OBP and a very nice IsoP with speed to boot. And he’s not old. I don’t care how happy he is.
1. Don’t be so sure SF will accept they have a couple 1B prospects and even though Wilson was terrible, he was their “closer”. More importantly what does 1 year of Delgado solve for them? If they don’t get CC they are not in win now mode. And where did you hear about Nathan or Liriano for Pierzynski?
2. “no way anyone will pay t he 8 year, $160 million”. I beg to differ, TEX offered him 8 years $140 million before he rejected so they traded him. Baltimore can come up with 7 years $140 most likely and the Yankees are always in the mix. I predict a sleeper team (BAL, SFG, SEA, OAK) to pluck Tex at that price.
3. Well if I was K-Rod and I just set the saves record, I think I deserve a bigger contract than Francisco Corderos 4 years 46 million I believe. If no one out there gives me that, I might return to LA for a smaller deal and say that I wanted to stay there the whole time.
4. Old? Who said anything about old? Will he start back up or platoon? And you don’t care how happy he is? You must not be following the Knicks.
Some more listing numbers for ya
1. If the Giants followed our logic, they wouldn’t have gotten Roward. For that matter, they wouldn’t have gotten a lot of people. Fact is, Wilson and Sanchez just weren’t that good, Delgado was, they have other pitchers.
2. Baltimore is struggling to even keep Brian Roberts, and they rarely make any big moves. They have no farm system and probably don’t need to further ruin it with players that won’t get them to the players. Maybe the Yankees or Angels will get Tex if Sabathia signs first, but I doubt that happens.
3. If you use that logic, Luis Castillo should be in the hall of fame because he was better than Rizzuto. The Angels DON’T WANT HIM. NO TEAM WANTS TO GIVE HIM A LOT OF MONEY. NOT ONE EXCEPT THE METS AND MAYBE THE BREWERS. In order for him to get a big contract, someone must give it to him.
4. Weeks would start. I said old because you asked me why I wanted weeks. My reasons:
- At last average OBP
- nice IsoP
- good speed
- not old
- How do you know the hypothetical happiness of Rickie Weeks?
by METSMETSMETS on Dec 7, 2008 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
wait
huh? Baltimore has no farm system? What?
As for the Sanchez and Wilson thing … well, how do they address their pen then, as that creates two huge holes. And I’m one that thinks another year of experience for Jon and he’ll be better. I still think Sanchez is a possible starter in the bigs with time, but obviously, imrpoved consistency is needed. At worst, you throw him in the pen as a power lefty. Didn’t Sanchez have a solid FIP last year, and his BABIP was a bit high if i recall.
I’m not saying they wouldn’t deal Sanchez, just saying that he wasn’t as bad as you are making it out to be.
Not "no" farm system
They have no depth is what I meant to say.
Also, I know Sanchez wasnt THAT bad. I want the freaking guy. But does Brian Sabean give a crap about your grandma BABIP? or FIP?
Sabean probably does
Why would he deal a 25 year old pitcher who had an FIP of 3.83 for a 36 year old 1B just one year off from a sub-.800 OPS, who he might not even be able to keep past this season? If the Giants felt that they were a year away from the playoffs, I could maybe see that, but I don’t know of any indication of that. If you don’t think he cares at all for FIP, which I find unlikely, then why would he deal a 25 year old who struck out almost a guy per inning in his first try in the majors? And you want him to throw in his closer? Your example of Liriano/Nathan is apt – they’d have to be as dumb as they were then, which is possible, but highly unlikely
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1. Yes but Rowand was signed for 5 years. They are getting a 36 year old 1st baseman for one year. If the Giants were one piece away from playoff contention, this would make sense and I definitely like it for the Mets but I am just saying they are not likely to be interested.
2. Well Im no psychic so I dont know who he’s signing with but 6 years 96 million is an insult to Tex.
3. I have no idea where you pulled that Castillo HOF thing. But how can you say the Angels dont WANT KRod? He might not be a priority or they cant afford him but I am sure they would want him back. And I just noticed your 1st plan for signing KRod was 4 years 44 million with the 2nd plan being 3 years 42 million. While both offers are possible I see the 2nd one more likely to happen.
4. Okay so you were saying Weeks is not old like Castillo, gotchu. But then where does Castillo fit in? I was saying whoever doesn’t start will be unhappy, is that really hard to understand?
Trade Carlos Delgado to the Giants in exchange for Brian Wilson, Jonathan Sanchez and a PTBNL
this is one of the funniest offers ive read in a long, long time
this is the new giants, not the giants of vizeuel, santiago, etc
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Forget everything Mets related
Bonus points for phrasing your opening questions in the form of dialogue from the movie “Speed.”
by Daniel Plainview on Dec 6, 2008 5:04 AM EST reply actions
it's funny...
because if the Mets were to trade Heilman to Tampa Bay, he would probably become a star again. that murphy’s law thing.
My Radical Plan
1 Trade Jose Reyes + Eddie Kunz to Cleveland for Asdrubal Cabrera, Kelly Shoppach, Adam Miller, and Franklin Gutierrez
2. Trade Delgado + Duaner Sanchez to Toronto for BJ Ryan + Scott Richmond
3. Trade Fernando Martinez for Wade Davis
4. Trade Heilman + Feliciano for Street
5. Trade Ramon Castro to Baltimore for Oscar Salazar
6. sign Kerry Wood (2/18M)
7. sign Teixeira (6/130M)
8. sign Garland (3/32M)
ST invites: Joe Thurston, Richard Hidalgo.
SS Asdrubal Cabrerra
LF Dan Murphy
CF Carlos Beltran
1B Mark Teixeira
3B David Wright
RF Ryan Church
CA Kelly Shoppach
2B Luis Castillo
OF Franklin Guttierez
OF Fernando Tatis
OF Angel Pagan
IF Oscar Salazar
IF Joe Thurston
CA Brian Schneider
SP Johan Santana
SP John Maine
SP Mike Pelfrey
SP Jon Garland
SP Wade Davis
CL Kerry Wood
SU BJ Ryan
SU H Street
MR Bobby Parnell
MR Jason Vargas
MR Joe Smith
MR Adam Miller
minor league depth:
SP Scott Richmond
SP Jon Niese
SP Brian Stokes
SP Dillon Gee
1B/OF Nick Evans
1B Mike Carp
OF Richard Hidalgo
IF Argenis Reyes
No
Why, exactly, would the Mets consider trading the cheap and good Jose Reyes for a handful of mediocre players? And why would the Jays try to acquire Delgado?
also
where did joe thurston and richard hidalgo come from?
not a criticism, i’m really just curious how you came to those 2.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 6, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
richard hildago is horrible
look at his stats for the rangers
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Thurston & Hidalgo
Just two low cost guys to take a chance on. Hidalgo is currently tearing up winter ball. I’m only giving him a minor league contract here; maybe he’s this years Fernando Tatis. Thurston is a 2B who never got much shot at MLB, 73 career PA, only 29 of them over the last 3 years, but has been very productive the last couple of years in AAA. Might be a productive MLB player for a few years in his prime.
If I’m bringing back Castillo, I want other options at 2B. Salazar is another one of those career AAA types who impressed last season with a September call up. I’ve probably spent all the budget here on Teixeira and pitching, and don’t really have enough left to deal for a Rickie Weeks, so I’m going cheap at 2B.
touche
thats why i said it wasn’t a complaint, the names were too random not to be somewhat well-founded
i didn’t even know richard hidalgo still played, interesting
by Rob Castellano on Dec 7, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
In terms of fairness its not bad at all. But some things just wont happen.
Mets would never trade Reyes. Hell I dont think CLE would even accept the deal, they are banking on Cabrera to be an all-star himself. It doesn’t make sense for both teams.
And why do people keep underestimating Scott Boras powers. Tex is getting 150 minimum.
if cleveland didn't accept that trade for reyes
they may as well be contracted
by Rob Castellano on Dec 6, 2008 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yea they probably would but the players named aren’t bums. Cabrera is a solid 2 hitter with good defense and Shoppach showed some power this year.
eh
shoppach i like, that guy can hit and if he brings his avg up a little hes an allstar.
cabrera not so much. yes he can field but he has little to no power, doesn’t hit for much average, certainly not a .300 hitter or even a .280 hitter and he barely scrapes a .350OBP, not what i’m looking for in a 2 hitter. in fact he reminds me a lot of anderson hernandez. hes a slick-fielding IF without much of a bat, not too hard to find and definitely not worth reyes.
as far as the rest of the trade, at this point you have to be pessimistic with miller and be happy if he can even help your major league club at all, can’t be considered a big trading chip. and franklin gutierrez looks like a 4th OF with a great glove.
really a terrible trade.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 7, 2008 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Why
1. trade Jose Reyes for crap
2. would the Blue Jays take 1 year of a good DH plus crap for BJ Ryan
3. would the Rays trade Davis for Martinez
4. would the Rockies want Feliciano and Heilman for Street
actually
agreed with one -3 but the rockies actually asked for 4 and the mets said no. Rumor has it.
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You shoot the Luis Castillo
Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles
heh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
First off Mr. Met definitely lost weight. These last 3 years sure had a toll on him.
I have a buy low sell high mentality which means I am likely keeping the following players.
Castillo (unless I can flip for another unhappy camper/headcase/large contract/Guillen)
Sanchez
Martinez
However for the safety of the following players I will be forced to trade low.
Schoeneweis
Heilman
I am also big on using farm talent and pushing the prospects. I expect the following to be a part of the Mets in 09.
-Niese
-Parnell
-Kunz & Carp (To some extent)
I am also going to apply the Donnie Walsh method to you NYKers. Create a low expectation team, if we perform you praise me, if not I will be the scapegoat.
1. Ideally, flip Castillo for Guillen. However something tells me this is not a real option because I am sure Omar has bought this up with KC. So I say this fails.
2. While I attempt to trade (and fail) to bring Guillen over, explore ALL closer possibilities though in the back of my mind I have no intention of signing K-Rod or Fuentes.
3. Inquire about Delmon Young and Pat Neshek/Jesse Crain for Heilman, Murphy and Evans. However I will settle for Michael Cuddyer, Pat Neshek/Jesse Crain and Boof Bonser for Schoeneweis, Heilman and Murphy… WAIT! HOLD YOUR COMPOSURE BEFORE YOU SPIT AT YOUR SCREEN! Look at it this way.
Cuddyer (6.8 and 8.5 million left) and Bonser (1 million arb?)
for
Schoeneweis (3.6 million) and Heilman (2 million arb?)
MIN gets the edge in this part.
Neshek/Crain for Murphy. Both are young solid mid relievers in exchange for a utility player. I love Murphys attitude but he has no value in LF.
Mets Perspective (In order)
-Schoeneweis and Heilman are gone.
-Cuddyer is a servicable 6th/7th hitter or a bat off the bench.
-Neshek/Crain may setup and have the stuff to close if necessary.
-Lose a fan favorite and solid contributor in Murphy.
-Bonser battles with Niese.
Twins Perspective (In Order)
-OF jam solved. Cuddyers contract solved.
-Heilman will bounce back and be just as effective as Neshek/Crain. No loss.
-Murphy is cheap option at 3rd and will battle with Buscher.
-Schoeneweis further mitigates any loss in the bullpen.
-SP jam solved. Bonser is gone.
After writing all this, it looks like the Twins have an advantage but details (money, prospects) could be worked out. Twins fans feedback please but I am 95% sure they would accept this deal and even though most Met fans will not accept it, I believe it is a low risk high reward move.
4. The pitchers market is hard to judge but I will target Wood as well. I would also look into Colon, Penny and Pedro.
Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Delgado
Beltran
Church
Cuddyer/Tatis
Schneider
Santana
Maine
Pelfrey
Colon/Penny/Pedro
Niese/Bonser
Wood
Neshek/Crain
Sanchez/Stokes
Feliciano
Smith
Bonser/Parnell
This team is no better than last years team so the fans will be angry at the beginning of the season but will at least have low expectations. I think fans sometimes overate star players and underestimate flexibility and depth. Isn’t there a stat that shows ARod will only give you 2 or 3 more wins a year than the average 3rd baseman? So lemme hear your criticism folks.
idk
doesn’t make sense to open their new stadium with purposely low expectations. its just completely counterintuitive. not that they have to go out and sign manny, krod and CC but if they fill the last 2 rotation spots with bartolo colon and boof bonser, there would be problems.
also, you need more insurance at the back of the bullpen. between wood, crain and neshak, theres tons of injury history. its not crazy to think that all 3 could end up hurt and leave us screwed again (in fact i believe neshak is already out for the year). the only way you can pick up wood is by pairing him with less injury risk.
i don’t love cuddyer, hes just average and hes hurt too much. and i hate to be the one that has to say it but after all the years of god-worship on this site, delmon just isn’t that good. for all the tools he supposedly has, he doesn’t hit for power, doesn’t run and he never had much discipline at the plate. that leaves him as a 4th OF with the chance of being a solid regular. oh and he has a really bad attitude. no thanks.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 6, 2008 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well I have a low cost, develop farm, buy low ,sell high approach and that is why I will never be GM for the Mets. I wouldn’t make it in the NY media past the 1st losing streak. But NYKers should realize after watching the Knicks for the past decade and the Mets and Yankees for the past 5 years, that you can spend all the money you want to fill all the holes you want and you still do not have a guaranteed winner.
Great point about the bullpen injury problem, I did not consider that. And damn is Neshek really out for the year? Then maybe I will have to go after Juan Cruz instead of Wood. I am very high on Parnell though, so if injury starts biting, throw him in the 9th inning.
yeah
i tend to agree about parnell ending up in the pen, but he just ripped up the AFL so i feel you have to let him prove to you he can’t start before you put him back there, hes just worth more as a starter.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 7, 2008 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'll
give you points for creativity.
But honestly how is this team better than last year’s?
by METSMETSMETS on Dec 7, 2008 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Its not and I will admit that but it is enough to keep us in playoff contention. I know thats not an answer that fans would like to hear but I feel we should not overreact into any major signings or trades that could hurt us down the line. My goal is to stay by the ocean and keep the team in contention and one of these years when the tide lowers and everything falls into place, I can go in for the kill =) Sort of what the Angels did with Vlad and Bartolo in 04 I think.
Even though
you plan to pretty much lay low in 2009, why not just say screw it, trade away every MLBer on the team except Beltran, Murphy, Reyes, Wright, Santana and Pelfrey? I mean, if I felt that my team had no shot, that’s exactly what I’d do.
by METSMETSMETS on Dec 7, 2008 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
as reactionary and mindless as that sounds
ultimately if you really think through the mets situation, not just this year but for the next few years, thats probably the best idea.
buy them up, krod @ 3rs/$42mil & manny @ 3yrs/$80mil w/ an option.
trade for an 8th inning many like street or putz with heilman & kunz.
trade for a middle-tier starter with parnell.
sign a journeyman to battle niese.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 6, 2008 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
How is signing
a closer who may lose velocity and an old, all-hit outfielder for a ludicrous contract and losing two of our best draft picks the best idea for the next few years?
by METSMETSMETS on Dec 7, 2008 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
well
k-rod is definitely worrisome but people forget hes still only 26, and what else do you want to do? make parnell the closer? everyone suddenly loves fuentes but do we all remember how he lost his job to manny corpas, twice? i’m big on putz but hes not any less risky, nor is wood or hoffman or anyone. k-rod on a 3yr deal is about as good as we’re gonna do, but stop at 3.
and manny is one of those hitters that only comes around once every few years. yes i wish he was 31 instead of 36 and that his defense was better but last year the guy batted .330 with 37hrs and 120+rbis and an OPS well over 1.000. at a certain point you have to see past the flaws and the bullshit and realize that hes still a very special player. and though hes trending down a bit hes still a top 5 hitter and possibly the 2nd most legitimate cleanup hitter in baseball and THE most proven playoff hitter. we probably won’t need him this year but what happens next year when delgados gone? sign holliday who is less proven to a 8yr deal like he’ll want? and thats it as far as legit crushers.
manny is SO valuable because hes one of about 3-5 guys that you can completely lean on to put up huge 4 hitter #‘s no matter whos protecting him, if there are men on base, pressure, anything. i’d say you put pujols in there, carlos lee, berkman, arod, MAYBE matt holliday and thats about it.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 7, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Nitpicking....
K-rod is 27. Anyways, I think he’s worth it because we get picks from Ollie Perez to make up for the ones we lose from K-rod.
I know Manny’s special and all that garbage. But do you know who else is special? Pedro Martinez. And when we signed him he was what? 31? Well Manny’s 36. He won’t be special for much longer. And say he’s special for 2009 but we don’t make the playoffs and then he goes and gets himself hurt or just get worse as old people often do? I’ll tell you what. The Mets end up paying this piece of trash nearly $30 million a year cluttering the budget so we can’t improve.
You can’t balance our next 3 years on the shoulders of one man like that.
Furthermore, the Mets offense was FINE last year. Even with the worst 2B combo in the league and Angel Pagan and Endy Chavez getting a lot of time in the OF. The problem isn’t hitting. Never lose sight of that.
And how are Carlos Lee and Matt Holliday in the same class as Pujols, A-rod, Manny and Berkman? Even with the maybe that’sridiculous.
ok ok
i see your point with the pedro contract but the difference between pedro and manny is 1:
pedro’s performance was clearly declining, he had just put up a year where he was well behind career averages in nearly every stat, his ERA was a full run higher. manny on the other hand just put up a year where he tops his career avgs. in nearly every category (avg, OBP, OPS, etc) except for hrs and rbis. i mean the guy just OPS’d 1.000+ which only a few guys do annually, hes still got plenty left.
and 2: when pedro started to break down phyically it was bound to be precipitous because of his slight frame and his non-traditional mechanics. and also hes a pitcher. this is only obviously speculation but i wouldn’t expect manny to fall off the cliff like that. will he get hurt? probably, its happened a couple times in the last 4-5 years. but look at ‘06 where he only played 130 games, he still put up 35hrs, 100+rbis and a .320+avg and yes he OPS’ed over 1.000. you can also look at ’07 where he played about 130 games and did a lot worse but IMO by that point boston had lost its luster and he was just itching to get out of there (the main reason why i only give him 3 years)
I understand offense is not the problem, i’ve been saying that for a while. but after delgado goes i can see the offense really taking a hit. and while he put up good but not great #’s this year, it was more about his presence in the lineup. in may when he was absolutely garbage you could see it, it changed the way pitchers threw to us and the way our hitter produced. signing manny would pre-empt that loss.
i guess holliday was a bit hasty but if you look at lee’s #‘s, especially his averages with RISP and notice how damn consistent he is, hes like a shade below those top guys, and i’d maybe argue as good as berkman.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 7, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
And for Manny
Here are some players who could REALLY hit beyond 36:
Barry Bonds
Frank Thomas
Ted Williams
Babe Ruth
Hank Aaron
Frank Robinson
Cap Anson
Zach Wheat
Pretty elite list. But when it comes to non-roiders playing in times when there wasn’t just white people, it’s now
Frank Thomas
Hank Aaron
Mike Schmidt
Frank Robinson
The only one of those three who had three truly great years after 36 was Hank Freakin’ Aaron. Thomas had a great year, an above average one, then fell off. Schmidt had one, then fell off. Frank Robinson had two and then fell off.
So let’s say Manny Ramirez is the next Frank Robinson. Then you still waste over $27 million in 2011 on him.
And do you really want to propose that he’s the next Hammerin’ Hank? Because based on history that’s the only way you’re getting full value.
.
by METSMETSMETS on Dec 7, 2008 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
As for Carlos Lee
RISP my touchas. There are a million ways to debunk the stat. He doesn’t get on-base.
by METSMETSMETS on Dec 7, 2008 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
fine i don't care about lee
but about manny, i think looking at that list shows you the caliber of hitter that can do it and clearly manny is in that class. in fact hes better than many of the players on that list.
i’m not saying its not a risk, but i am saying that its a risk we need to think about taking as a team that clearly needs to get over the hump with our cleanup hitter getting ready to disappear. even if our offense is passable without delgado, what happens if injury strikes?
and we clearly need some sort of impact to get us over this hump, doubt it’ll be another top pitcher, we just got one and there aren’t going to be many out there after sabathia. like i said, we can go after holliday next year but i think manny is a better bet as far as impact players go.
by Rob Castellano on Dec 8, 2008 2:18 AM EST up reply actions
brad holt
another out of the box idea is to put brad holt on the jonathan papelbon track…it’d never happen because hes shown the potential to be a top of the rotation starter but it would certainly solve the mets bullpen issues. if only wagner was around this year to hold the closer spot down while holt ascended through the minors, we could throw holt into the pen in the 2nd half and by next year let him compete for the closers role.
instead he’ll pitch his way up to AA as a starter. IMO holt will end this year as the mets unanimous top prospect and jump up into the top 50 if not higher.
Waste
of Holt. He’s too durable to be put at closer first.
by METSMETSMETS on Dec 7, 2008 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
I think we should be grateful
In a batting lineup, the most important hitters to me are the 1,3,4 and 5. Ideally the 3/4/5 would be a mix of power righty, power lefty or power switch. I believe the flexibility and ability to provide a servicable backup to any of these players in case of injury is crucial which is why I am a little worried about this year.
2008
Reyes 159 games
Wright 160 games
Delgado 159 games
Beltran 161 games
Are we really going to be this lucky again this year?? We take it for granted that these guys stay healthy. If Reyes is hurt, Castillo can adequately leadoff if he goes back to pre 2007 Castillo. If Delgado is hurt, Beltran can step in as the lefty power hitter. If Beltran is hurt, Church can step into his shoes as the 5th hitter but God forbid what happens if David Wright goes down?? There is no backup there! We dont have another power right handed hitter that can even be consider servicable. Fernando Tatis can only do so much.
A lot of people are saying bullpen pitching was our problem but that was only because Wagner went down and Heilman blew up in our faces. So I dont blame Omar for the pen last year. I think it was a risk to bank on Heilman to be the closer’s insurance but he does throw 92 with a mean slider. At the same time, anytime your backup closer is a sidearmer you are asking for trouble.
My point being this, our priority should be 2 good bullpen arms or 1 great one if you want to roll the dice and to acquire a backup #3 hitter that wont leave a gaping hole if Wright goes down as ridiculous as that sounds. Jose Guillen, Pat Burrell (kinda expensive), and Baldelli might be an option as well.
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