Building a Fantasy Rotation
by MightyMoose on Dec 29, 2008 10:25 PM EST
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Having gone through the top 100+ prospects, I'm curious if you could build a fantasy baseball rotation which 5 minor league starters would you take. These are guys you think are going to be fantasy studs, not just a #3 type, that will realistically reach that potential. The categories would be wins, k's, ERA and Whip.
Mine are:
1. David Price
2. Neftali Feliz
3. Trevor Cahill
4. Madison Bumgarner
5. Rick Porcello
I had Porcello narrowly over Inoa and Holland for the fifth spot.
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My Rotation
- David Price
- Max Scherzer
- Rick Porcello
- Madison Bumgarner
- Brian Matusz
If Scherzer doesn’t qualify, then I’d take Jarrod Parker in his place.
Took Matusz as my fifth starter because I think he is a “sure thing” pitching prospect. (and he’s lefty)
"In 1962 I was named Minor League Player of the Year. It was my second season in the Bigs." - Mr. Baseball, Bob Uecker
by prince of power on Dec 29, 2008 10:34 PM EST reply actions
Depends what time frame we're talking about
But in the short-medium term (2-3 years) I’d take:
1. Price (clearly the #1)
2. Cahill
3. Tillman
4. Bumgarner
5. Anderson
with Feliz in the mix; I’m not sure he’ll have immediate big league success and he may end up in the pen, though I think he’ll remain a starter. Holland and Alderson also possibilities.
mine-top pitching prospects
Samardzija
Carrasco
Wade Davis
Anderson
Bumgarner
Chacin
Mcgee
Parker
I also have sleepers like Drabek,Mcallister,Detwiler,H.A. Rodriguez and I also have young starters in Nolasco and Parra
by PhillyPhanatic on Dec 29, 2008 11:13 PM EST reply actions
ha
didn’t read through the whole post… thought this was a post of what you had built up on your own team. not what you would draft given the chance.
by PhillyPhanatic on Dec 29, 2008 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Rotation
1. Price
2. Bumgarner
3. Feliz
4.Anderson
5.Cahill/Porcello
Others; Chacin, Holland, Parker, Drabek (My darkhorse)
by PhillyPhanatic on Dec 29, 2008 11:20 PM EST reply actions
My 5
1. David Price (Randy Johnson)
2. Trevor Cahill (Brandon Webb)
3. Derek Holland (Scott Kazmir)
4. Tim Alderson (John Lackey)
5. Jarrod Parker (Roy Oswalt)
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I'll give it a go
1. David Price
2. Tommy Hanson
3. Neftali Feliz
4. Trevor Cahill
5. Madison Bumgarner
Hanson
Wow. Hanson completely slipped my mind. He’d definately have to be in there.
by PhillyPhanatic on Dec 29, 2008 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
If you have Hanson in there...
I hope your home park is Petco, lol. Lots of flyballs!
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ouch
his go/ao is pretty atrocious. .71 for the year…
by PhillyPhanatic on Dec 29, 2008 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
but...
if he keeps missing bats like he does and keeps his walks to a minimum like he has. He minimizes the potential damage that the high flyball rate can have.
by PhillyPhanatic on Dec 29, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Johan Santana
Is an extreme FB pitcher but like you said he mises a ton of bats as well. But since Hanson has started throwing his slider again in the no-hitter game the FBs have been down.
my list
Price
Cahill
Scherzer (still a prospect?)
Hanson
Brett Anderson
Not my top 5 SP prospects but the guys I’d want in my farm system first. If Max doesn’t count then Feliz
+1 almost
I’d actually swap Feliz and Anderson. And I’d have Scherzer 2 and Cahill 3. So,
Price
Scherzer
Cahill
Hanson
Feliz
(If Scherzer doesn’t count, then Anderson)
For those of you putting Brett Anderson in your best 5...
See Zach Duke.
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I'm actually
a Zach Duke fan, I’m a fan of all the Pirates starters, actually, but thats neither here nor there
Mine
Assuming the time frame is forever here…
Feliz
Bumgarner
Price
Martin Perez
Michael Inoa
These are the 5 guys that, IMO, have the best overall shot at being legit aces. Then again, my definition of a legit ace is pretty strict. I like guys like Hanson and Cahill a lot, but they both have control issues that I am not convinced will go away in the bigs and I see them as more of a true #2 starter that may happen to be the #1 starter on his team due to circumstances (i.e. lack of a legit ace on his team). A guy like Feliz, on the other hand, needs to refine is secondary offerings. If he does, he’ll be hands down the best of the five. I am talking Francisco Liriano pre-injury kind of great.
Porcello, on the other hand, is a true wildcard here. If the Tigers let him use all his secondary offerings, he may become true ace material… or it may not make that big of a difference. Time will tell with him.
Martin Perez
Could you shed a little light on why you are so high on Martin Perez? To be honest i don’t know a whole lot about him and was just interested in your reasonings for being so high on him.
by PhillyPhanatic on Dec 30, 2008 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
BA
Someone on Baseball America made a comment that Martin Perez has Johan-like stuff, or something along those lines. Needless to say, Perez quickly got on everyone’s radar. That aside, the kid put up decent numbers for a 17 year old actually. Rangers have some fantastic arms in their system. IMHO, they blow Oakland right out of the water.
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No
The original comment was from a scout in the NWL saying that Perez resembled Johan physically, and since then it’s been turned into Perez has Johan-like stuff. It’s been discussed here more than once. I think Perez is a good arm and could be a good pitcher, but he’s been overrated here and elsewhere because of a quote that has been twisted around.
"So's your mom"-David Sloane
ya,
he doesnt have Johan stuff yet but he already has a low 90’s fastball with great movement (thats reached 94 and can add move velo as he fills out), a plus curve (BA rated best in the system and that’s saying alot with the way the Rangers have been stacking pitchers with curves) and a change with legidament plus abiltity. Like John said Perez will need time but still Johan is one of the best pitcher of his generation and Perez probably won’t reach that.
Here’s a short clip of him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZNVMI4zxo
Your 2010 Texas Rangers starting shortstop....(see pic)
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 30, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
The quote:
Here is the exact quote:
Greg, TX: Who is the best left handed pitcher on the Rangers farm not named Derek Holland?
John Manuel: It might be Martin Perez even INCLUDING Derek Holland. I got a Johan Santana comp on Perez from a scout in the Northwest the other day, he sounds extremely exciting.
Personally, I think they are referring to his stuff although I can see how such a quote can be widely interpreted.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Dec 30, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Very vague...
“a Johan comp” could be referring to anything. The scout could have said he has an accent like Johan, and that would count as a Johan comp.
I think that quick of a “comp” with no supporting information means the comp is pretty useless right now. Until we hear “great movement” or “similar body size” or SOMETHING to warrant excitement, we should just all quit sucking each other’s lollipops about Martin Perez for now.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
However
Since Manuel stated that he might be better then Derek Holland, there is reason to get excited.
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift
by King Billy Royal on Dec 30, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
that’s the quote that Dewey is talking about, but I’ve read another “insider” type like Manuel who said the original quote was about physical resemblance, not stuff. The problem is, the quote has been misinterpereted, and then inflated upon even further around here.
"So's your mom"-David Sloane
Let's see...
17 yrs old, great velocity for his age, compact, clean delivery, advanced feel for secondary pitches. Forget about the Johan talk – there is still quite a bit to like about this kid. He obviously has a very long ways to go though, and given this is Sickels’ site (who leans more towards the conservative, close to the bigs guys), I am not surprised to read all the hatred for even mentioning Perez’s name.
Sure
Price
Porcello
Hanson
Schzerer
Samardzija
Bit of risk with possibly both Schzerer and Samardzija going to the pen, but I like it overall. Most of these guys have a higher chance of becoming aces due to their proximity to the bigs (Porcello excepted, but I’m a Tigers homer, so shoot me).
Samardzija
Everyone has jumped his bandwagon because he throws hard to me he reminds me a ton of a younger Manny Acosta. The numbers are too similar from both rookie seasons.
Samardzija – ..G……ERA………..IP…………H……….ER………BB………K
……………………..26…..2.28………27.2……..24………..7………..18………25
Acosta – ………G……..ERA………..IP………….H………ER……..BB……….K
……………………21…….2.28………23.2……….13………6………..14………22
Mine...
I am leaving Price off mine since I don’t see him as a minor league pitcher anymore. But he would obviously be #1.
1. Porcello (I liken him to Halladay)
2. Feliz (I love me some GB pitchers)
3. Trevor Cahill (worried about the walks, but still a solid #3 in most rotations)
4. Brett Cecil (Groundball LHP)
5. Max Scherzer (decent groundball and better stuff).
With such a high GB rotation, it allows for a better defensive, but maybe less offensive infield. I am a big believer in GB pitchers with plus defenders in the infield and power bats in the OF.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
Feliz
I don’t know that he is really a groundball pitcher. go/ao was 1.19 combined over both stops this year, and .97 last year. He had a nice rate in the midwest elague, but was around .73 I think in AA this year.
If this is supposed to be possible ace material, I’d go:
1. Price
2. Feliz
3. Hanson
4. Holland
5. Bumgarner
Anderson, Cahill, Porcello all good. I think of Anderson more as a number 2. Holland looked great last year, and probably more risk there. But I think he could be an ace.
Well
I’m going to go out on a limb on these picks (I’m leaving Price off for the hell of it, he is number one)
1) David Price
2) Jhoulys Chacin
3) Brian Matusz
4) Brett Anderson
5) Jarrod Parker
I feel these are the “low-risk” picks, and thats the direction I would like to head. If I were valuing upside a little more it would probably go
1) David Price
2) Madison Bumgarner
3) Tim Alderson
4) Trevor Cahill
5) Neftali Feliz
I like Feliz alot, but I’m still not sold that he stays in the rotation.
whoops
said I was going to leave Price off, but I didn’t. the subconcious is a powerful thing I guess
Shit...
nice call on Chacin. Before I started my post above yours, I had planned on him being in there, but totally forgot about him when I started to write it out. I would put him above Max for the #5 spot.
"My mom always taught me it's better to laugh at yourself than to laugh at others. She was so wrong. ;)" -Pedrophile
2009 rotation impact
How about a 2009 version of rookies that will have an impact? Please disregard if I’m straying too much from original thread.
Ripken.....thanks for the memories...
re: 2009-?
CC.Sabathia,
A.J. Burnett,
Ben Sheets,
Chien Ming-Wang…
oh, you’re talking fantasy roto :)
I’d take:
1. David Price,
2. Jake McGee (healthy)
2b. Madison Bumgarner
3. Tim Alderson
4.Wade Davis
5. Tommy Hanson
it’s a close call between Cahill, B. Anderson, Feliz, Chacin, Ty. Robertson (Twins) and Wade Davis.
the reason I didn’t pick Feliz and other Ranger pitchers, is quite frankly the Rangers don’t have a good track record in developing their pitching prospects! for instance, I believe in the San Francisco Giants, or Braves organization when developing their pitchers far more than the Rangers!
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
re: (haha) yes..
I know Sheets isn’t a Yankee.
anyway, are you also talking long term best fantasy roto rotation?
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
re: ooh. I forgot to add..
I really like Nats’ Jordan Zimmermann, by the way…but I don’t think he’s top 5 yet….
"Fantasy, reality, science Fiction. Which is which? Who can tell?"
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