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Community Prospect List: #84

After 235 votes the winner of the runoff is James Simmons with 68% of the vote. Andrew Lambo(5%), Ivan DeJesus(5%), Daryl Jones(6%), Kyle Skipworth(6%), Kila Ka'Aihue(6%) will be removed from the poll as they failed to achieve at least 7% of the vote. David Cooper, Michael Taylor, Matt Moore, Brad Holt, Todd Frazier, Beau Mills will be added to the poll.   

 

 

1. MATT WIETERS - C (Baltimore)
2. DAVID PRICE - SP (Tampa Bay)
3. JASON HEYWARD - OF (Atlanta)
4. TRAVIS SNIDER - OF (Toronto)
5. MADISON BUMGARNER - SP (San Francisco)
6. COLBY RASMUS - OF (St. Louis)
7. CAMERON MAYBIN - OF (Florida)
8. TREVOR CAHILL - SP (Oakland)
9. NEFTALI FELIZ - SP (Texas)
10. MATT LAPORTA -  1B/OF/DH (Cleveland)
11. MIKE MOUSTAKAS - 3B (Kansas City)
12. TIM ALDERSON - SP (San Francisco)
13. PEDRO ALVAREZ - 3B (Pittsburgh)
14. RICK PORCELLO - SP (Detroit)
15. DEXTER FOWLER - OF (Colorado)
16. BRETT ANDERSON - SP (Oakland)*
17. DEREK HOLLAND - SP (Texas)
18. ANDREW McCUTCHEN - OF (Pittsburgh)
19. BUSTER POSEY - C (San Francisco)
20. CHRIS TILLMAN - SP (Baltimore)
21. LARS ANDERSON - 1B (Boston)
22. JUSTIN SMOAK - 1B (Texas)
23. THOMAS HANSON - SP (Atlanta)
24. ELVIS ANDRUS - SS (Texas)
25. ANGEL VILLALONA - 1B (San Francisco)
26. JHOULYS CHACIN - SP (Colorado)
27. BRIAN MATUSZ - SP (Baltimore)
28. ERIC HOSMER - 1B (Kansas City)
29. TIM BECKHAM - SS (Tampa Bay)
30. MAX RAMIREZ - C/1B (Texas)
31. JARROD PARKER - SP (Arizona)
32. MICHAEL STANTON - OF (Florida)
33. MAT GAMEL - 3B (Milwaukee)
34. JESUS MONTERO - C (New York-AL)
35. BRETT WALLACE - 3B (St. Louis)
36. JORDAN SCHAFER - OF (Atlanta)
37. WADE DAVIS - SP (Tampa Bay)
38. LOGAN MORRISON - 1B (Florida)
39. CARLOS SANTANA - C (Cleveland)
40. FERNANDO MARTINEZ - OF (New York-NL)
41. JAMES McDONALD - SP (Los Angeles-NL)
42. JEREMY HELLICKSON - SP (Tampa Bay)
43. JOSH VITTERS - 3B (Chicago-NL)
44. YONDER ALONSO - 1B (Cincinnati)
45. TAYLOR TEAGARDEN - C (Texas)
46. FREDDIE FREEMAN - 1B (Atlanta)
47. GORDON BECKHAM - SS (Chicago-AL)
48. BRETT CECIL - SP (Toronto)
49. ALCIDES ESCOBAR - SS (Milwaukee)
50. JORDAN ZIMMERMANN - SP (Washington)

51. CHRIS CARTER - 1B/DH (Oakland)
52. CARLOS TRIUNFEL - SS (Seattle)
53. AUSTIN JACKSON - OF (New York-AL)
54. BEN REVERE - OF (Minnesota)
55. MICHAEL BOWDEN - SP (Boston)
56. TYLER FLOWERS - C (Atlanta)
57. ADRIAN CARDENAS - SS (Oakland)
58. REID BRIGNAC - SS (Tampa Bay)
59. JAKE ARRIETA - SP (Baltimore)
60. JORDAN WALDEN - SP (Los Angeles-AL)
61. MICHAEL MAIN - SP (Texas)
62. WILMER FLORES - SS (New York-NL)
63. MATT DOMINGUEZ - 3B (Florida)
64. MICHAEL SAUNDERS - OF (Seattle)
65. DESMOND JENNINGS - OF (Tampa Bay)
66. CARLOS CARRASCO - SP (Philadelphia)
67. AARON CUNNINGHAM - OF (Oakland)
68. J.P. ARENCIBIA - C (Toronto)
69. GIO GONZALEZ - SP (Oakland)
70. PHILLIPPE AUMONT - SP (Seattle)
71. JEFF SAMARDZIJA - SP/RP (Chicago-NL) 
72. MICHAEL INOA - SP (Oakland)
73. AARON HICKS - OF (Minnesota)
74. JEREMY JEFFRESS - SP (Milwaukee)
75. ANGEL SALOME - C (Milwaukee)
76. DANIEL CORTES - SP (Kansas City)
77. GREG HALMAN - OF (Seattle)
78. JACOB McGEE - SP/RP (Tampa Bay)
79. KYLE BLANKS - 1B (San Diego)
80. MARTIN PEREZ - SP (Texas)
81. JULIO BORBON - OF (Texas)
82. NICHOLAS WEGLARZ - OF (Cleveland)
83. JAMES SIMMONS - SP (Oakland)

 

 

CANDIDATES - Jose Tabata, Gorkys Hernandez, Jason Donald, Nick Noonan, Michael Burgess, Jonathan Niese, David Cooper, Michael Taylor, Matt Moore, Brad Holt, Todd Frazier, Beau Mills 

TESTERS - Danny Duffy, Jason Castro, Scott Elbert(80-2%), Vincent Mazzaro(80-3%), Chris Perez(81-5%), Aaron Poreda(81-5%), Chris Coghlan(81-3%), Jeff Niemann(81-2%), Neftali Soto(82-6%), Adam Miller(82-4%), Christopher Marrero(82-3%) & Dellin Betances(82-2%), Andrew Lambo(83-5%), Ivan DeJesus(83-5%), Daryl Jones(83-6%), Kyle Skipworth(83-6%), Kila Ka'Aihue(83-6%) 

 

 

NOTE: I have listed by each tester the last time they were on a poll and the percentage of votes they obtained. This should help us with selecting who should be placed back on the poll etc

Poll
Who is Community Prospect #84?
David Cooper
11 votes
Michael Taylor
15 votes
Matt Moore
38 votes
Todd Frazier
27 votes
Brad Holt
12 votes
Beau Mills
28 votes
Jonathan Niese
38 votes
Michael Burgess
43 votes
Jason Donald
56 votes
Nick Noonan
58 votes
Gorkys Hernandez
87 votes
Jose Tabata
72 votes

485 votes | Poll has closed

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Skipworth

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on Dec 2, 2008 4:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+11teen

But I’ll vote for Burgess here. For most of the season Burgess was being compared favorably or ahead of Stanton who has been on the list for about three years now.

by aCone419 on Dec 2, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tester

“Not Nick Noonan”

I think that should be a voting choice to cancel out the SF bias. If it wins give it to the highest guy who’s not Nick Noonan… or Danny Noonan… sha-na-na-na-na-na-na…

/kidding

by alskor on Dec 2, 2008 4:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

After posting the same comment for the last 20 spots I am now starting to agree. Soto and Flores had very similar summers. Flores went to early here, but Soto should be at least on the same list.

"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women and Irish Whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."

by strums on Dec 3, 2008 8:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Soto was better than Flores, classic east coast bias I guess

Name Level POS AVG HR R RBI SB G AB TB BB SO OBP SLG OPS
Neftali Soto A 3B 0.326 7 26 36 1 52 218 109 7 36 0.343 0.500 0.843
Neftali Soto RK SS 0.388 4 12 11 1 15 67 50 4 10 0.423 0.746 1.169
Wilmer Flores A SS 0.400 0 1 0 0 1 5 2 0 2 0.400 0.400 0.800
Wilmer Flores RK SS 0.310 8 36 41 2 59 245 120 12 28 0.352 0.490 0.842
Wilmer Flores SS SS 0.267 0 3 1 0 8 30 9 1 7 0.290 0.300 0.590

"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women and Irish Whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."

by strums on Dec 3, 2008 8:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Two years age difference

I agree that the two should be much closer on the list than this, but let’s not dismiss the two years age difference between the two. Flores put up comparable rookie league numbers at a much younger age. Plus, one would hope that when Flores is 19, he’ll draw more than 19 walks over a full season (though he might not at this rate).

by aap212 on Dec 3, 2008 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lambo, Jones, Skipworth

Bring them back!

Please.

I like all of them better than anyone up there.

The Dodgers won't win a playoff series until the Cool-a-Coo returns.

by mckeeno on Dec 2, 2008 4:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tester

Adenhart. #1 on BA

by cwhitman412 on Dec 2, 2008 4:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

and milb.com has Adenhart at #35

You can like him or not but given these ratings by two major lists it doesn’t make any sense to not even consider him. Was his 2008 worse or better than the year McGee just had. Or how about the year Tabata just had. By the time we are down this far on the list everyone with top flight tools and top flight performance has already gotten on. Mostly you have to choose one or the other or a little bit of both

by Dalman on Dec 2, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The next time I do the list remind me to add him and Castro as testers.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Dec 2, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Adenhart

The list is going so fast I didn’t even notice he wasn’t on yet. I don’t see how he’s not a top 80 prospect so he’s definitely getting all my votes in the near future.

Rios is the next Juan Gonzales, thats right, I said it.

by KaoticKlown on Dec 3, 2008 6:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

adenhart had a horrible, horrible season

i have no idea why he is still ranked so high. have you guys even looked at his numbers? for someone with such great stuff i have to think the issue is he has no idea how to use it. this is not always a correctable flaw.

I heard Tim Lincecum will win 1 Cy Young & 11 Tim Lincecums. Question is, how many Cole Hamels will he win?

by the pinstripes on Dec 3, 2008 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

There are better players left, and I wouldn’t be so certain he’ll be on BP’s list. How many people from this year’s draft do you think will be on there? Because I doubt it’s 15, and Castro isn’t one of the ten best prospects from the draft.

Besides, our goal isn’t to ape BP, BA, or even Sickels.

by aap212 on Dec 2, 2008 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

After the summer, and HWB performances Castro put on after being drafted he is one of the 15 best prospects from the 2008 draft.

T Beckham
G Beckham
Alvarez
Matusz
Wallace
Posey
Hosmer
Alonso
Smoak
Hicks

After those ten its Castro, Skipworth, and Christian Friedrich followed by Ike Davis, Cooper (who’s on the list), and Ethan Martin.

by byronlhsdrmr on Dec 2, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Skipworth

Of all the recent draftees, Skipworth has to be next.

by aCone419 on Dec 2, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed...

I can see him falling in this area.

by laxtonto on Dec 2, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Daryl Jones should have been on the list long ago

I don’t understand it. People on this site were so enthusiastic about him a month ago. He should be on here.

by aap212 on Dec 2, 2008 4:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Huh, pretty unispiring list if you ask me

Probably would have voted for Jones without much hesitation, or Skipworth if Jones wasn’t on the ballot and he was. Anyone out there want to sway me to their camp? Other than Noonan supporters that is. Right now, I’m looking at Donald, Burgess, and Moore.

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 2, 2008 4:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why Tabata?

Figured I might as well try, although I don’t think we see eye-to-eye much on a prospect level

1) He has the same tools and ability last year. That hasn’t really changed.
2) Balancing out his horrific go with the Yankees and his prolific run after being traded to the Pirates, and you get a good, but not great prospect.
3) Dealing with adversity – some players just don’t do it well. That’s why NY teams constantly “test” players ability to handle NY. Unfortunately, Tabata was not yet mature enough to handle the pressure of the NY media market who expected the world of him. Many other players have needed an organizational change, and Tabata’s may be just what he needed, both to mature as a person and as a player.
4) Youth – Even though there are spotty reports regarding his conditioning, he’s still young enough and now outside the major media markets that he can put it all together and realize his potential. I guess the best barometer of maturing as a player would be the condition he enters camp next year.

In summary – he still has all the tools and abilities that made him a top 50 prospect last year, except now his maturity/conditioning have questioned his drive to improve. Under constant scrutiny, Tabata seemed incapable of handling the pressure or maybe the constant scrutiny made him think so highly of himself that he did not work at the trade, who knows. But, the games played did show some resurgence of the player everyone once thought he was, and the player he still could be. Hence, right now Tabata is pretty risky, but the reward could be great. So, depending on how much you value his outing with the Pirates AA club likely will factor whether you truly consider Tabata as a list candidate.

Brought to you by the List Committee for Tabata

by thudean on Dec 2, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m on board with you, thudean. I’m not even a big Tabata fan — I thought the Yanks made out pretty well in that deal — but a legit CF who has held his own as a 19-year old in AA (and shone as an 18-year old in A+) needs to be on here. For comparison’s sake, check out F-Mart’s numbers from this year alongside Tabata’s.

Martinez: .292/.345/.440 — 6.9% BB, 21.3% K — .153 ISO
Tabata: .277/.345/.388 — 8.4% BB, 17.0% K — .111 ISO

Considering Tabata is (by all accounts) a legit CF, and that his numbers even in a down year compare rather favorably to those of a corner OF in Martinez, I’d say Tabata should be next up on this list. Every spot he slips below Martinez is a bit ridiculous.

by PhillyFriar on Dec 2, 2008 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cedric Hunter

any chance he gets on this list…

by znyfan on Dec 2, 2008 4:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’d like for him to get a tester.

by rhd on Dec 2, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Next time I do the list remind me to add him as a tester.

"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-Jonathan Swift

by King Billy Royal on Dec 2, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Moore

As much upside as anyone available. I’d like to see Skipworth, Daryl Jones, Nick Barnese get runs through the list.

by gogotabata on Dec 2, 2008 5:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Noonan...

Got my vote again, tho I actually have Burgess above him. But I voted for him because he looks like a better bet to get on now.

The comment ‘Valbuena blows Noonan out of the water’ in the last thread was ludicrous. Valbuena doesnt blow any decent prospect out of the water, certainly not Noonan. Valbuena has never even been ranked on any BA Team Top 10, tho I’m sure he’ll get on this year. He had a nice year, but his lifetime BA is .270 and he barely made a team Top 20. His scouting report says he plays above his tools, which means not much projection, and only average speed, altho good defensively. He has a little power but no real power to speak of, which stands to reason because he’s only 5’10’’. His upside is that of a solid regular and it remains to be seen whether he can achieve that. Basically, he’s never been any kind of decent prospect until this year, and is only a mid-range one now.

OTOH, Noonan has performed well as a pro in every category except plate discipline, which needs work but is not terrible. He was highly regarded coming out of the draft and was #3 on BA’s League Top 20 and #6 on their Team Top 10 as a rookie. He was #9 BA’s SAL Top 20 this year. His scouting report indicates he’s good defensively, says he projects for good power, and is not only pretty fast but runs the bases well. He has considerably more upside than Valbuena has already outproduced him at a younger age. I still dont see any 2B prospect that’s any better. I would expect that he will make BA’s Top 100. At any rate, I think he belongs about here.

by rhd on Dec 2, 2008 5:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thoroughly uninspiring post

If I had any thoughts of putting Noonan on @ 100, they just evaporated…

From Project Prospect a few days ago:

1 Adrian Cardenas 2B/SS Went .279/.392/.326 in 102 AA PA; no power (.047 IsoP), K’s (9.8); lots of patience (14.7) 21.0 OAK AA
2 Matt Antonelli 2B After posting .382 wOBA in AA in ‘07, plummeted to .304 in AAA in ’08; still, 14.1% BB rate 23.5 SD MLB
3 Jemile Weeks 2B No. 12 overall pick had .379 wOBA in 90 A PA; leadoff-type hitter had 14.4% BB, .108 IsoP 21.7 OAK A
4 Chris Coghlan 2B .405 wOBA in A, .270 in A+ in ’07 left questions; answered them with .369 wOBA in ’08 in AA 23.3 FLA AA
5 Johnny Giavotella 2B 2nd rounder (’08) went .299/.354/.421, .341 wOBA in 308 A PA; puts ball in play (11% K) 21.3 KC A
6 Eric Young 2B/CF Improved patience (7.5% BB in ’07 vs. 12.8% in ’08); .351 wOBA up 8 pts from Cal League 23.4 COL AA
7 Nick Noonan 2B Fell to .321 wOBA in 531 A PA after going .349 in R ball in ’07; struggles w/ patience: 4.5% BB 19.4 SF A

by slurve on Dec 2, 2008 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry...

that you’re uninspired. Another guy’s list that has Giavotella above Noonan is pretty uninspiring to me.

by rhd on Dec 2, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

-1

Giavotella has the power and plate discipline that Noonan wishes he could have.

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on Dec 2, 2008 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right

Giovatella may actually end up being a plus at something… Noonan looks all around solid, but not great at any one thing… and with bad plate discipline, to boot…

by alskor on Dec 2, 2008 8:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OTOH, Noonan has performed well as a pro in every category except plate discipline, which needs work but is not terrible.

No, 4.4% is pretty terrible… especially when you K 19% of the time.

by alskor on Dec 2, 2008 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think so

Some selected players already on our list w a K/BB ratio about as bad as or worse than Noonan (98/23=4.26):

- Villalona: 118/18 = 6.56 (now THAT’s terrible)
- Arencibia: 101/18 = 5.61
- Halman: 142/32 = 4.44
- Brignac: 93/25 = 3.72

I’m not saying it would be a tragedy if Noonan didnt get on. But a plate discipline issue alone, which isnt even as bad as other guys already far above this spot on the list, for an otherwise very good prospect I dont think is a good reason to keep someone off.

by rhd on Dec 2, 2008 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

those guys have power at least

and their rankings are questionable as is, at least Villalona shouldn’t be nearly that high.

by wobatus on Dec 2, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Those are all players

I argued against.

Brignac has showed some discipline in the past … but basically this is further evidence those guys were overrated. At least Villalona is young…

by alskor on Dec 2, 2008 8:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Those players...

all have a combination of extroardinary skills that makes up for their lack of plate discipline.

Halman and Villalona have some of the most raw power of any players in the minors. Arencibia is a solid defensive catcher with prodigious power. Brignac is a solid defensive shortstop with a history of hitting better (though he’s the one guy I think he was ranked way to high).

Noonan’s standout tool is baserunning, which is just not as valuable and deteriorates with age and as players advance through the minors (catchers get a little tougher to run against at every level). At present he isn’t a particularly good hitter for his level. Never mind prospect status, he’s not even a star in his own league contex. His OPS was slightly above league average, but nothing special.

by slamcactus on Dec 2, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Noonan v. Valbuena

Performance: advantage: Valbuena

Projection: Your analysis that height = projection is way off. Noonan is taller, and Valbuena has a thicker lower half, much better ability to turn on inside pitches, and is significantly stronger.

Power: Noonan’s Iso: .136 in A- (in the SAL league, which favors hitters
Valbuena’s: .179 in AA (in the Southern League, which favors pitchers),
  Full disclosure: Valbuena’s power all but disappeared in AAA after his promotion, but has re-emerged in the VWL this winter. If it’s still gone when he starts 2009 in triple-A there may be cause for concern, but right now I’m not worried.

Plate Discipline. Huge advantage Valbuena.

Defense: Advantage Valbuena, large advantage when age is taken into account (Noonan has 3 years to gain weight and lose range, and the defensive age curve can be VERY harsh to young middle infielders. Valbuena is much closer to the physical condition he’ll be in when he reaches his peak offensive years, and has maintained his plus range and instincts).

Baserunning: advantage Noonan.

Polish: Valbuena >>>>>>>>>>> Noonan.

Overall you have a much more polished prospect who’s a very good chance to be a regular. The lack of past rankings is 100% irrelevant. Valbuena was rushed to Double-A before he mastered High A and took a season to adjust to the level. When a 22 year old middle infielder has a plus glove and bats .300/.380/.480 with plus contact and patience in double-A he’s a good prospect regardless of his past pedigree.

Noonan is a much higher risk without a much higher upside. His floor is a player who tops out at AA because he never learned how to hit. He doesn’t have an appreciably higher ceiling, except as a base stealer. At present, he is a below average player for his league surviving on scouting reports.

You’re way overrating Noonan and way underrating Valbuena, whose floor at this point is slightly above replacement level in the majors, and whose ceiling is something like a +3.5-4 win player with defense considered.

by slamcactus on Dec 2, 2008 10:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Niese

Lefty, MLB-ready, young, has shown plus performance, has GREAT out pitch.

’Nuff said.

by METSMETSMETS on Dec 2, 2008 5:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I guess...

But he looks like Jo-Jo Reyes to me

by mraver on Dec 2, 2008 5:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Now

that wasn’t very nice.

"So's your mom"-David Sloane

by gatling on Dec 2, 2008 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Easy there

I’m a Mets fan and I think he belongs on the top 100, and has been underrated by many. With that said, there are guys remaining with better upside and strong performance. I think we’re a few slots away from Niese.

by aap212 on Dec 2, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

which Mets fans voted for Holt.

He’s talented, but just a college player in Short-A, and has no command. He’s still developing a second pitch. and also has very little of a third pitch to speak of.

by METSMETSMETS on Dec 2, 2008 8:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Holt’s one of many guys that could very well be in the middle of this list next year, but has no business being on it this year at all.

by aap212 on Dec 2, 2008 11:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mills

I’m surprised he isn’t getting any love.

by killa on Dec 2, 2008 5:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Brian Bogusevic

Must be in the top 100 at some point.

by Take3 on Dec 2, 2008 5:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Umm no

-1

Converted Pitcher with a small hitter sample size? No. And I love Bogey (Go Green Wave!)

by thudean on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the Top 100 Stories list

But his risk/reward is far too great.

by aap212 on Dec 2, 2008 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bogusevic's risk reward is too great?

He has great plate discipline, and is already hitting for a high average, and some power in AA, despite making the switch only 6 months ago. He is a terrific athlete and is an above average runner, and at least average defensively in centerfield. I think he is an average to above average centerfielder, and his stock would only increase if he started hitting for more power. Does he belong in the top 100? Probably not but, maybe he does garner some consideration.

by byronlhsdrmr on Dec 2, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Was it Perrotto who said "belongs in the conversation" is BS?

I like Bogusevic, I think he has a real chance, and I’m pulling for him. But there are plenty of guys on the list with better, more realistic upside, and much less risk.

All we have right now is a 24-year old who played great in his first exposure to AA, which was a really, really small sample. Even if we’re being totally optimistic, we don’t have enough to go on.

by aap212 on Dec 2, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gorkys?

I’d rather have Tabata

by uwbadger on Dec 2, 2008 5:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I too haven’t figured out what makes Gorkys is so intriguing.

by thudean on Dec 2, 2008 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing its the plus plus speed, plus defense at CF, and the ability to take a walk

He wasn’t making great contact last year after he got hurt (I think it was a hamstring thing), but the kid has a lot of upside of a prototypical leadoff man who helps you in the field at a premium position.

by mraver on Dec 2, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Have been voting Jones for awhile now, but since he was taken off the list Donald gets my vote.

by wolviex18 on Dec 2, 2008 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

meant to add

ugh, he sucks. well, not thad awful, but …yeah, he sucks.

That’s it. I have no further argument. :)

I went Donald.

by wobatus on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't suck...

but he’s not a top-100 prospect. MAYBE #100.

by slamcactus on Dec 2, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

He doesn’t suck, but he ain’t top 100 material.

by wobatus on Dec 2, 2008 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

-1

Gorkys last season was 83rd in BP’s top 100, and 92nd on BA’s.

He’s all tools, but he was last year, too. Id take him over a lot of other guys on this list. He’s the same argument as Tabata, who I argued against before, but should be on at this point.

by alskor on Dec 2, 2008 8:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on Dec 2, 2008 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but he didn't really improve

he has to get beyond 340s oba 390 slugging for me to include him at this stage.

by wobatus on Dec 2, 2008 10:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

aka, "he needs to be hurt less next year"

Basically, his BA was down (as opposed to his walk rate and ISO, both of which improved as he went up a level), and that’s attributable to the higher K-rate or the fact that he got hurt at some point depending on who you ask. I think he’s got as much upside as anyone on this list, and he’s not an unreasonable pick at this spot.

by mraver on Dec 2, 2008 11:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hamstring

That shouldn’t effect your swing much, so maybe he a had slightly fewer legged out hits. But the numbers didn’t change much from low A, so I am just going to assume that is his level for now. If his numbers improve I’d move him up, and I wouldn’t be shocked if he did improve, given the scouting reports, but until he does, too many people have actually performed and deserve to be on ahead of him.

by wobatus on Dec 3, 2008 8:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's fringe

But you underrate him slightly.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Dec 2, 2008 9:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Moore...

His upside is higher than anyone left, and his performance is better than anyone on here. He’s got the most helium of anyone whose season was limited to short-season leagues. Whenever a guy puts up numbers that look like he’s playing MVP baseball on moderate difficulty AND he has frontline stuff, he deserves to be ranked.

by slamcactus on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He was also in the Appy league

Not exactly the best competition.

by Southwest on Dec 3, 2008 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So?

He has frontline stuff, and pretty much couldn’t have done any more than he did against the competition he was given. A player with his profile deserves to be ranked.

by slamcactus on Dec 3, 2008 1:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean...

if he was succeeding with a decent changeup and a mid-80’s fastball that would be one thing, but we’re talking about a guy who hits the mid-90’s and has touched 96, who has a hammer curve and a decent change, who’s still a teenager.

by slamcactus on Dec 3, 2008 1:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

David Cooper vs Blanks

Cooper hit .333/.399/.502 combined over 3 levels in his first years as a pro.

by JJACK on Dec 2, 2008 7:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i was going to say

he is basically producing the exact same numbers as Blanks has, although most scouts seem to think he will be a much better contact hitter. Blanks gets on first cause he has done it at AA, but Cooper shouldn’t be too far behind

by JJACK on Dec 2, 2008 7:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

not to mention

as a pitcher in college….Cooper has a K/9 over 13….the dude has some skills

by JJACK on Dec 2, 2008 7:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Donald

I think, out of the above names, Donald’s bat looks good and safe. If by some chance there’s a tie and there needs to be a tiebreaker, then you can pretend that I voted for Burgess.

by toonsterwu on Dec 2, 2008 11:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Michael Taylor

How does he only have 3% of the vote? 6’6 250 OF with great speed (for a guy his size), developing power, great contact skills, and above avg plate discipline.

To get so little support at 84, means he probably won’t make the top 100. I think that’s redonkulous.

by spoondoggie on Dec 2, 2008 11:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Let's see Jones hit the list first

Plus it’ll help to see Taylor make it through higher levels at a reasonable age before we put him in the top 100. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him follow the John Mayberry Jr. path.

by aap212 on Dec 3, 2008 12:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

taylor/gorkys

I prefer Taylor to Gorkys. He’s older, but at least he put up the numbers. I like Jones, too, although he also hadn’t shown the numbers until this year, albeit having done it at the AA level he likely deserves te nod ahead of taylor for now. But Taylor did continue raking at high A, and in the Fla State league, a pitchers league. The Phils sem to do well bringing along these guys relatively older than the star propsects for their level (like Howard or Utley).

by wobatus on Dec 3, 2008 8:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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