Travis Snider, Jason Heyward, & Colby Rasmus
by soxkid on Dec 19, 2008 4:52 PM EST
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In my opinion, I'd rate them:
Travis Snider
Jason Heyward
Colby Rasmus
I'd like to hear all opinions on these 3 and I'd also like to know who everyone thinks has the best combo of upside+likelihood to reach that ceiling. I'm a sucker for a monster power bat, so maybe that's why I like Snider so much. Also, this is info for a fantasy league, so I'm kind of intrigued by Snider's instant help to the squad.
Thanks.
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I’d say Heyward, Rasmus, Snider. And I’m a Tigers fan.
Heyward’s an impact bat with good defense in RF, Rasmus is a lesser bat (though still very good) who plays a solid CF and Snider is an impact bat with decent defense in an OF corner. They’re all very close, and I can’t really argue with Braves’s order.
by David Tokarz on Dec 19, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Fantasy
For fantasy I have them Snider, Heyward, Rasmus.
For real life, Heyward, Snider, Rasmus.
Rasmus first
Rasmus, Heyward, Snyder
Rasmus is a premium CF in the mold of Grady Sizemore and is a 7 tool prospect.
Heyward is throwback RF in the mold of Dave Parker. Lacks speed and CF range.
Snyder is a LF/1B/DH in the mold of John Kruk. Lacks speed and body-type.
John Kruk
… is the greatest softball player to ever step foot on this Earth. Travis Snyder is in the mold of prime Cecil Fielder.
Non Fantasy
1. Rasmus
2. Snider
3. Heyward
For a regular 5×5 fantasy league, you’d flip Snider and Rasmus, although it’s arguable. Heyward won’t be a regular fantasy contributor until 2011, so he’d be behind a ton of lower ceiling ready now types, which are mostly pitchers.
I believe...
That there really is no such thing as someone being more talented but less likely to reach thier ceiling, in general. Mostlythere is a mis-interpretation of a players skills in the low minors that makes people THINK they have more ability butif they dont make it is usually because they weren’t good enough.
Except with pitchers. Of course many who would have been great, get hurt. Position players dont in general.
Therefore if I believe Heyward is a better player than Rasmus or Snider he will BY DEFINITION be more likely to be a better major leaguer. I do not believe in the concept of ceiling/ floor… it is simply an illusion.
Anyways, my answer…lol
Snider becomes a real big-time bat. Kinda like Delgado in his prime a 45 2B, 35 Home-run player.
Rasmus will always be plagued by injuries and excuses I think. i also think that guys that cant hit .300 in the minor leagues, despite whatever supposed “bad luck” they may have, end up being dissappointments at a higher rate than players with other flaws… the power, the batting eye, defense… all that stuff doesnt make up forthe lack of ability to get base-hits. I don’t see him as that bad though, maybe a little better player than Chris Young. Another highly touted player on here who couldn’t hit .280 in AAA.
Heyward is a tougher call. I’d need to seehim more and he certainly looks good but I’d have to be REALLY impressed to think he’ll hit as much as Snider.
I’d go
1. Snider by a long way
2. Heyward
3. Rasmus
IMO
1: Colby Rasmus: He’s had one injury so I’m not sure why anyone would think he’d be plagued by them. Rasmus is a talented player that can pretty much do everything. Draw walks, hit bombs, steal bases and play above average defense. What he did in spring training last year impressed me a lot.
2) Jason Heyward: Exactly like Rasmus in his first pro year in Low A ball. I like Heyward’s potential a little better but I’d like to see him at the higher levels before I put him ahead of Rasmus.
3) Travis Snider: He’s 5’11", 230-240 so he is filled out. I don’t see him as a bigger power threat than Rasmus and Heyward. He is also slow and strikes out a lot although I think he’ll be like Jim Edmonds with the Ks. It won’t hurt him in hitting for a .290-.300 average. Being just average defensively hurts him as well.
Comparisons:
Rasmus-Grady Sizemore
Heyward-Josh Hamilton
Snider-Brad Hawpe
In conclusion, everyone is pretty close.
My Comps
Heyward: Dave Winfield, Willie McCovey in the outfield, or Longivity Dave Parker(HOF if not for coke).
Snider: In Prime Matt Stair except for over 10 years or Brian Giles in prime
Rasmus: Steve Finley
Comps
Are those your comparisons or the scouting worlds and milb.com? ;)
Except Snider
No one has made many mlb comparisons for Snider. I thought Brian Giles as well as a comp for Snider because of their build but there is no way Snider is going to put 100-120 BBs to 60-80 Ks in a season. Giles was a freak when it came to BB-K ratio.
BA used the Giles Comp in their 2007 book I think
Rasmus I have heard steve finley or sizemore hybrid from ba
john came up with the mccovey comp
Comps
Here’s what milb.com said about Heyward’s potential:
“Upside potential: All-Star-caliber right fielder in the Dave Parker mold. He’s also drawn comparisons to Willie McCovey.”
Anyways, I was just being an ass. You said those were your comps and I’ve seen the Finley comparison for Rasmus since the 2005 draft and the Sizemore one since about 2006. And I just saw the McCovey one for Heyward today actually.
I still don’t quite see Giles for Snider. Mainly because of the insane BB-K ratios that Giles always put up. When you look at Giles’ minor league numbers, they indicated he had good knowledge of the K zone. Snider’s numbers indicate he’ll strike out more to way more than he’ll walk. I also don’t see Snider hitting for 35-40 HR power but then again I probably wouldn’t have guessed Giles would either back in 1995. So who knows?
by UncleBuck44 on Dec 19, 2008 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Comparing center fielder and corner outfielder
I never like comparing centerfielders and corner outfielders to each other because its apples to oranges. A premium defensive centerfielder like Rasmus can produce much less offense and still be considered a better player but it’s just too tough to judge. The better comp is just taking Snider and Heyward.
If it’s just that, then it just really matter what each individual values about more in a prospect. Sure, Snider has a higher chance of performing in the majors because he’s already shown a lot above where Heyward is, but in terms of pure potential, I don’t think any sane person would say that Snider’s is higher than Heyward. Heyward has the more projectable body, is faster, there are no concerns about his conditioning, he has a great grasp of the strikezone, has higher power potential, and is a far superior defender but he’s also only shown that in low-A ball. Of course I’d take either of them in an instant though.
yeah
this is strictly for fantasy purposes though…and the spots are OF, not designated for specific positions (LF, CF, RF).
So I guess my question remains, who will be the best fantasy player?
ALSO, where would someone like Maybin, Fowler, or LaPorta match up here?
Fowler, Maybin, LaPorta
Fowler is playing Coors and has a better grasp of the zone than maybin and perhapes just as much power and speed. LaPorta is one dimensional.
Rasmus, Heyward and Snider
I would rate them like this:
Rasmus
Heyward
Snider
Rasmus
Pluses – Defense in center field is always good to have. His bat projects to be well above average at the position where your average MLB centerfielder hit .268/.334/.420 in 2008. He has strong plate discipline and short of 2 months in AAA has shown the ability to be an extremely good hitter.
Negatives – Injury history isn’t the best, is a known pull hitter and struggled in AAA this year.
Heyward
Pluses – Has a legit bat and should be a good fielder in right. He has strong plate discipline and has shown no signs that his bat has question marks.
Negatives – Still far from contributing and plays a position chock full of guys that can rake. Major League average line for a RF in 2008 was .276/.347/.451 for a .798 OPS.
Snider
Pluses – Legit power bat who is young and provides plenty of projectable power. Could be MLB ready in 2009.
Negatives – Has a strikeout problem as he has struck out in 25.3% of his minor league at bats. Is bad defensively and projects to be average at best in RF, but likely winds up a DH.
Basically it comes down to position scarcity with me between Rasmus and Heyward who are clearly ahead of Snider who has one tool and its his power, which the other two guys have plenty of power plus other things going for them.
One of these is not like the other
Unless youyr pool places a premium on CFs, Rasmus is far below the others. He has not proven himself offensively above AA. Heyward still looks like he could be a serious force, but again, he has yet top prove anything at the higher levels. The difference then, between Heyward and Rasmus, is that Rasmus has already stumbled at the higher levels. There is a good chance Rasmus will regain his impetus, but we will see.
Snider has shown what he can do at the highest level. Small sample size, but in watching him closely, he came to bat with a plan, stuck to his plan and succeeded. He is ready to be a middle of the order threat in a good MLB roster.
That being said, I think in five years time, Heyward will be more productive than Snider offensively, although Snider will continue to be better offensively than Rasmus.
by ofsticksandbats on Dec 20, 2008 11:33 AM EST reply actions
Snider has shown what again?
He has shown that he has a problem making any kind of consistent contact with the baseball and that he can’t play defense. Those aren’t exactly the types of things that I can say with either Rasmus or Heyward.
Riiight
Snider also showed a .417 BABIP, 34.6 LD, and 6.4 BB. They’re all going to be really good, but Snider is not ready to hit major league pitching.
Snider
He started the year in A+, at 20, and finished it in the majors, where he had 8 XBHs in 73 AB. Sure, he’s probably not ready to hit .300 in the bigs, but you’d be a fool to say he definitely not ready to hit major league pitching.
Rasmus
Untill Jason Heyward hits 29 home runs including two in the playoffs, for a double A team at the age of 20, we should have a little humility when ranking him among his prospect peers.
Park Factors anyone?
I’m not trying to take away from Rasmus’ 2007 season or anything, but Springfield is one of the more HR friendly parks in the minor leagues. If Heyward managed to hit 29 HR in Mississippi, one of the least HR friendly parks in the minors, I’m pretty sure he’d be without a doubt the #1 prospect in baseball.
You’re of course also conveniently forgetting the fact that Rasmus is coming off a pretty abysmal year in AAA. While Heyward has never torn up AA like Rasmus, the fact that he’s never struggled like Rasmus did in AAA helps cancel that out.
Heyward/Snider/Rasmus
Snider/Heyward is opinion, Rasmus comes after Fowler and McCutchen in my mind.
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